nomoresheds
26.08.2007, 12:27 |
iron and zinc/manganese (Anemia & Hair Loss) |
For those taking iron, how do you prevent interference with zinc and manganese? I wonder if I'm raising ferritin at the expense of other minerals,
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Debbie
26.08.2007, 13:10
@ nomoresheds
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response - iron and zinc/manganese |
» For those taking iron, how do you prevent interference with zinc and
» manganese? I wonder if I'm raising ferritin at the expense of other
» minerals,
Take them at least 2 hours apart. Take your zinc with your multi + B complex ni the morning; and take your iron at night (I take 2 325mg ferrous gluconate every night), this way you don't have to worry about nutrient interactions, assuming you're going to be with an almost empty stomach. You probably already know this, but taking your iron with vit. c will enhance absorption.
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ginawat
26.08.2007, 14:03
@ Debbie
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response - iron and zinc/manganese |
» » For those taking iron, how do you prevent interference with zinc and
» » manganese? I wonder if I'm raising ferritin at the expense of other
» » minerals,
»
» Take them at least 2 hours apart. Take your zinc with your multi + B
» complex ni the morning; and take your iron at night (I take 2 325mg
» ferrous gluconate every night), this way you don't have to worry about
» nutrient interactions, assuming you're going to be with an almost empty
» stomach. You probably already know this, but taking your iron with vit. c
» will enhance absorption.
Debbie,
What brand of iron do you take? I was taking Floresine but I am finding it hard to re-order via the web (its from the UK) so now I have resorted to Fergon (27mg) 3X per day. Where are you getting such a high dose of iron?
Also - I have some zinc in my multi but need more. How much do yu take per day?
Thanks all!
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nomoresheds
26.08.2007, 18:17
@ Debbie
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response - iron and zinc/manganese |
» » For those taking iron, how do you prevent interference with zinc and
» » manganese? I wonder if I'm raising ferritin at the expense of other
» » minerals,
»
» Take them at least 2 hours apart. Take your zinc with your multi + B
» complex ni the morning; and take your iron at night (I take 2 325mg
» ferrous gluconate every night), this way you don't have to worry about
» nutrient interactions, assuming you're going to be with an almost empty
» stomach. You probably already know this, but taking your iron with vit. c
» will enhance absorption.
Are you getting 650mg of iron per day? That is way more than I get. Am I reading that right? No problems with it at that dose? How often do you test the serum ferritin levels at that level?
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ginawat
26.08.2007, 19:39
@ nomoresheds
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response - iron and zinc/manganese |
» » » For those taking iron, how do you prevent interference with zinc and
» » » manganese? I wonder if I'm raising ferritin at the expense of other
» » » minerals,
» »
» » Take them at least 2 hours apart. Take your zinc with your multi + B
» » complex ni the morning; and take your iron at night (I take 2 325mg
» » ferrous gluconate every night), this way you don't have to worry about
» » nutrient interactions, assuming you're going to be with an almost empty
» » stomach. You probably already know this, but taking your iron with vit.
» c
» » will enhance absorption.
»
» Are you getting 650mg of iron per day? That is way more than I get. Am I
» reading that right? No problems with it at that dose? How often do you
» test the serum ferritin levels at that level?
I wondered the same thing. I am only taking 72mg of iron per day. Maybe she meant 325mcg (micro) as opposed to 325mg (mili)
Also - are you all making sure to take copper w/your zinc? Zinc depletes copper..which can affect hair, too - esp color.
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nomoresheds
27.08.2007, 21:10
@ ginawat
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response - iron and zinc/manganese |
I'm taking a multi with minerals. Maybe I should look into taking copper and zinc specifically. I know you can mess up the balance...any ideas how to monitor the zinc and copper? Can bloodwork be done?
I'm wondering after being oniron for 2 years now if I messed up the zinc.
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Debbie
28.08.2007, 20:25
@ ginawat
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answer to Gina's ? |
Gina,
324 mg of Ferrous Gluconate is equivalent to 38 mg of iron. Ferrous gluconate is a form of iron; one that is highly absorbed. Take no more than 15mg of zinc on top of what's in your multi. I still recommend having your zinc levels tested first; it's never good to self-supplement particularly with individual vitamins & minerals as they are so delicately balance...i.e. zinc & copper compete for the same transport protein, and which ever is present in the highest concentration, will be absorbed first, potentially leading to an excess of one and a deficiency of the other. Remember also, that hair loss can result from either too much or too little zinc. Please check with your physician before grasping at straws. Believe when I say I know how you feel. I just don't want you to make things worse. You really need to have the proper lab work done and get some kind of diagnosis Gina.
Best wishes,
Deb
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Debbie
28.08.2007, 20:34
@ nomoresheds
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response to Ginawat & Nomoresheds |
Ladies,
72 mg of iron is equivalent to just under 650 mg of ferrous gluconate. I would caution you both to get the proper lab work done to determine your zinc, copper and serum ferritin levels. And yes, most labs will test these values; you simply need to convince your GP to order the bloodwork & perhaps help you find a lab that will measure these minerals (if the lab the practice typically utilizes doesn't perform these blood tests). Oral contraception (as I stated in previous posts) can deplete your B vitamins, increase Ca++ absorption, decrease zinc and increase copper. There's plenty of research regarding the effect of OCs on vitamin & mineral status on PubMed. Arm yourself with the research and present it to your physician when you make the request for the blood work. Gina, I don't think your situation applies to OC use since you were on it for such a short period of time. I know you're probably thinking "shut the hell up Debbie," but I cannot stress enough how important it is for you to get some kind of diagnosis, esp. if you have sebhorric (sp?) dermititis. You could have a fungal infection also...or AGA...or something else. You won't know until you get a diagnosis. I just hate to see you toture yourself trying to figure it out; not to mention the emotional toll it is taking on you and your family.
Best to both of you,
Deb
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Debbie
28.08.2007, 20:37
@ Debbie
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one more thing...to Gina |
Be careful of using the progesterone cream or the bioidentical progesterone. Dr. Redmond warned me that progesterone use can (if used in the absence of a definitive blood test for progesterone levels) exacerbate hair loss.
Deb
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cinderella
28.08.2007, 20:45
@ Debbie
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one more thing...to Gina |
I was taking iron for a year 100mg and now only taking about 25mg to maintain. My ferrition was 90 in March which is why I have stopped taking such a big amount. However my hair has not returned. I am going to get my zinc tested, although there is plenty of zinc in foods we eat isnt there. I think my hair isnt returning because of the anxiety its given me.
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Debbie
28.08.2007, 20:49
@ cinderella
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one more thing...to Gina |
I don't doubt the impact our state of mind (depression, anxiety, fear, anger, stress, etc.) has on hair loss. While it may not "cause" it; it can certainly keep it in a holding pattern or exacerbate it.
Deb
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ginawat
28.08.2007, 21:16
@ Debbie
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answer to Gina's ? |
» Gina,
»
» 324 mg of Ferrous Gluconate is equivalent to 38 mg of iron. Ferrous
» gluconate is a form of iron; one that is highly absorbed. Take no more
» than 15mg of zinc on top of what's in your multi. I still recommend
» having your zinc levels tested first; it's never good to self-supplement
» particularly with individual vitamins & minerals as they are so delicately
» balance...i.e. zinc & copper compete for the same transport protein, and
» which ever is present in the highest concentration, will be absorbed
» first, potentially leading to an excess of one and a deficiency of the
» other. Remember also, that hair loss can result from either too much or
» too little zinc. Please check with your physician before grasping at
» straws. Believe when I say I know how you feel. I just don't want you to
» make things worse. You really need to have the proper lab work done and
» get some kind of diagnosis Gina.
» Best wishes,
» Deb
Thanks Deb! One question, though --I am taking iron (ferrous gluconate based) and my label only reads "iron (from ferrous gluconate) - 27mg - 150% RDA" Your explanation doesn't fit with the labels I am reading. What brand do you use?
Thanks again!
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ginawat
28.08.2007, 21:28
@ Debbie
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response to Ginawat & Nomoresheds |
» Ladies,
»
» 72 mg of iron is equivalent to just under 650 mg of ferrous gluconate. I
» would caution you both to get the proper lab work done to determine your
» zinc, copper and serum ferritin levels. And yes, most labs will test these
» values; you simply need to convince your GP to order the bloodwork &
» perhaps help you find a lab that will measure these minerals (if the lab
» the practice typically utilizes doesn't perform these blood tests). Oral
» contraception (as I stated in previous posts) can deplete your B vitamins,
» increase Ca++ absorption, decrease zinc and increase copper. There's
» plenty of research regarding the effect of OCs on vitamin & mineral status
» on PubMed. Arm yourself with the research and present it to your physician
» when you make the request for the blood work. Gina, I don't think your
» situation applies to OC use since you were on it for such a short period
» of time. I know you're probably thinking "shut the hell up Debbie," but I
» cannot stress enough how important it is for you to get some kind of
» diagnosis, esp. if you have sebhorric (sp?) dermititis. You could have a
» fungal infection also...or AGA...or something else. You won't know until
» you get a diagnosis. I just hate to see you toture yourself trying to
» figure it out; not to mention the emotional toll it is taking on you and
» your family.
»
» Best to both of you,
» Deb
Deb,
I'd never think "shut the hell up"! I totally appreciate and value all input!
Re serum ferritin: I have had my serum feritin tested several times since finding out mine was low (started out at a 12) I began supplementing and eating more lean red meats (not to mention continued eating lots of greens) I got my levels checked every 3-4 months and they went up some but not a lot. They seemed to have plateued at around 33ng/ml. That is when we assumed my regular (albeit heavy) period was not allowing my ferritin to get higher because I would begin to build it up only to have my heavy flow bring it back down. That is why I decided to try Yaz. It helped my flow but made me nuts. So, here I am again - supplmenting with iron. I used Florisene before but can't seem to get it (UK) so I opted for Fergon (27mg ferrous gluconate) I take 2-3 per day.
I plan to get my zinc & copper checked soon, too. In the meantime I am only taking what is in my multi - nothing more.
As for a diagnosis - I agree. Once I read Dr. Redmonds book where he claims sebro derm CAN be a by-product of AGA I "knew" I must have AGA. Not to mention this has been a long standing issue - some 8 years. I plan to get a official diagnosis (was it a derm that diagnosed you?) Believe it or not I got an appt. w/Dr. Redmond for 9/8 but I can't decide if I should go. I do not want to take BCP or spiro and I am not sure if he uses any other approach unless one is menopausal.
Thanks again!
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ginawat
28.08.2007, 21:39
@ Debbie
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one more thing...to Gina |
» Be careful of using the progesterone cream or the bioidentical
» progesterone. Dr. Redmond warned me that progesterone use can (if used in
» the absence of a definitive blood test for progesterone levels) exacerbate
» hair loss.
» Deb
Deb,
I read that as well - but Redmond seems to be the only place I find negative talk of progesterone. All other resources say the complete opposite. The reason I'm not sold on Dr. Redmond's theory on p-cream is that the natural p-cream I am using is way LESS than the progestins found in Yasmine or Yaz. In addition the natural stuff is EXACTLY the same as what our bodies make on its own. The amount I am taking (1/4 teaspoon @3% on days 14-28) is so very low compared to what our bodies and thrive on during the later stages of pregnancy. In additon, progeserone can turn it to other needed hormones if our bodies are deficient. I understand where Dr. Redmond is going with his theory and that is why I am reluctant to go to NYC to visit him. I know already that I will be prescribed Yasmine/spiro/fin and I don't want to go that route (I'd like to have another child) I just feel that IF hormonal blance can be achieved via Yasmine the why can't it be done with bio-identicals as well?
As for sebor derm....I plan add a post that polls those with AGA AND Seb dermatitis to see if I am one of a few or many.
Thanks a million!
Gina
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delilah
28.08.2007, 21:56
@ ginawat
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one more thing...to Gina |
THere's nothing wrong with progesterone cream but I seriously doubt it's going to help your problem. There's a difference between progesterone cream (which is usually Yam based) and progestins. Progestins are synthetic and some of them are very bad for your hair. Dr. Redmond does use progesterone (prometrium) in conjunction with other meds.
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delilah
29.08.2007, 10:11
@ ginawat
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response to Ginawat & Nomoresheds |
That's a tough call since there are only a couple of things that work for AGA. If you're on the fence about having a family then I don't know if it's worth it for you to go to a doctor if you don't want the treatment. Maybe it would be best to wait until you decide about your family and then get treatment.
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Debbie
29.08.2007, 18:57
@ ginawat
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answer to Gina's ? |
I use ferrous gluconate 324 mg tabbs (=38 mg of iron) by Paddock Laboratories, Inc. I get from the pharmacy - w/o a prescription.
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Debbie
29.08.2007, 19:04
@ ginawat
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one more thing...to Gina |
Gina,
I am a full supporter of bioidentical hormone replacement therapy vs. oral contraceptives. In fact, I had a brief discussion with my Endocronology prof. today and he is completely against taking synthetic hormones, esp. estradiol (form of estro. in Yasmin & Vivelle Dot). He reminded that synthetic estro. induces mitosis (cell division) and in women our age, he said "that's the last thing we need." I also asked him if there was any way around the drastic drop in estro. that occurs when a woman stops taking the pill; I thought perhaps I could get Dr. Redmond to prescribe me bioident. estro. & prog. while I am trying to wean myself off Yasmin. My prof. said unfortunately there is no way to avoid the sudden drop in estro. that occurs post OC use. Damn. I haven't stopped yet b/c Dr. Redmond advised me to stay on it until we meet Sept. 8. Just wanted you to know that I am totally supportive of your bioidentical initiative; I simply don't want you to self-treat only to discover that you're throwing your horm. balance even further off....this is assuming you haven't had your estro. & prog. levels measured??
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Debbie
29.08.2007, 19:13
@ ginawat
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response to Ginawat & Nomoresheds |
I would keep your appt. (which happens to be on the same day I am scheduled to meet with him). I truly believe you need a medical diagnosis and professional guidance when it comes to restoring hormone balance. Admittedly, I have limited knowledge of seb. derm., but I believe you can have it exclusive of AGA; that the two can be concurrent, but the diagnosis of one does not presume the existance of the other. Yes, a derm. did my biopsy and tried to get me on Ortho, but after speaking to a friend who had tried them all (ea. for over at least a yr.), recommended against it (mood swings, weight gain, dimpling, etc.). So, I held off, made an appt. with Dr. R and went with his therapy. My only regret is that I had had my estro. & prog. levels (specifically vs. androdenostione) measured. Dr R treated me based on anectodal feedback (my description of the changes in my body & cycle over 1.5 yrs prior....drastic wt. loss, loss of breast tissue, thin skin, scant periods, oily complex., hair loss, etc.). Now I'm tethered to the Yasmin. However, after speaking with my endo prof. today, I'm going to push Dr. R hard to switch me to bios. So....get your hormone levels checked before you meet with Dr. R....and KEEP your appt!
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ginawat
29.08.2007, 20:00
@ Debbie
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response to Ginawat & Nomoresheds |
» I would keep your appt. (which happens to be on the same day I am scheduled
» to meet with him). I truly believe you need a medical diagnosis and
» professional guidance when it comes to restoring hormone balance.
» Admittedly, I have limited knowledge of seb. derm., but I believe you can
» have it exclusive of AGA; that the two can be concurrent, but the
» diagnosis of one does not presume the existance of the other. Yes, a
» derm. did my biopsy and tried to get me on Ortho, but after speaking to a
» friend who had tried them all (ea. for over at least a yr.), recommended
» against it (mood swings, weight gain, dimpling, etc.). So, I held off,
» made an appt. with Dr. R and went with his therapy. My only regret is
» that I had had my estro. & prog. levels (specifically vs. androdenostione)
» measured. Dr R treated me based on anectodal feedback (my description of
» the changes in my body & cycle over 1.5 yrs prior....drastic wt. loss,
» loss of breast tissue, thin skin, scant periods, oily complex., hair loss,
» etc.). Now I'm tethered to the Yasmin. However, after speaking with my
» endo prof. today, I'm going to push Dr. R hard to switch me to bios.
» So....get your hormone levels checked before you meet with Dr. R....and
» KEEP your appt!
Debbie,
Is your appt. on Saturday 9/8, too?
I went to a Endo today - waste of time - although I was able to get a RX for more blood work on "key" days (Day 3 of my cycle) and also a ultrasound RX to rule out fibroids. I left very discouraged still. Then I made a frantic appt. for my derm...I go tomorrow at 7:30. I will request a biopsy.
I have s silly question....with AGA does you hair gradually get worse or are there "bouts" when it gets better? For instance....does it come in waves? Like I told you before - my hair has been an issue for years - but there are times when it thickens up (never to how it used to be in my mid-twenties) but bearable - to the point where it in not a problem that I couldn't deal with. For some reason this bout is REALLY bad and I'm wondering if I can re-bound again or if this is my destiny.
One more question....why doesn't Dr. Redmond take insurance!?!? Does everyone pay out of pocket? I was told $600 - is that right? I have no idea how I'll get there...if I will drive or fly. My appt. is for 5:45 on Saturday 9/8.
Gina
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delilah
29.08.2007, 23:07
@ Debbie
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one more thing...to Gina |
That's ridiculous and makes no sense. How can he think that estradiol that's in bioidentical hormones is any different than what's in the vivelle dot? He needs to do more research. Bioidentical is just as much a hormone as Vivelle don't believe anything different. The big difference is in Premarin which is made from pregnant horse urine.
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nomoresheds
30.08.2007, 18:12
@ ginawat
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response to Ginawat |
Having dealt with hormone issues, my doctor said it is impossible to do know what is happening hormonally without the labs, often repeated to get a sense of what is going on. It's very difficult to go on symptoms without the labwork. I hope you do well with your Redmond visit. I think he is on the right track although I don't necessarily agree with him 100 percent.
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ginawat
30.08.2007, 18:17
@ nomoresheds
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response to Ginawat |
» Having dealt with hormone issues, my doctor said it is impossible to do
» know what is happening hormonally without the labs, often repeated to get
» a sense of what is going on. It's very difficult to go on symptoms
» without the labwork. I hope you do well with your Redmond visit. I think
» he is on the right track although I don't necessarily agree with him 100
» percent.
I'm hestiant to go because I don't want to do the BCP or spiro.....I had wanted another child. 
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delilah
30.08.2007, 18:53
@ ginawat
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response to Ginawat |
Ginawat you really need to make that decision or you'll be wasting your money. His consult is $600 and if you know going in that you don't want to take the meds, which he almost certainly will prescribe, you'll only be setting yourself up for disappointment.
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nomoresheds
31.08.2007, 17:28
@ ginawat
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response to Ginawat |
» » Having dealt with hormone issues, my doctor said it is impossible to do
» » know what is happening hormonally without the labs, often repeated to
» get
» » a sense of what is going on. It's very difficult to go on symptoms
» » without the labwork. I hope you do well with your Redmond visit. I
» think
» » he is on the right track although I don't necessarily agree with him
» 100
» » percent.
»
» I'm hestiant to go because I don't want to do the BCP or spiro.....I had
» wanted another child.
How did you make out with hair loss during your earlier pregnancy? I never lost one hair due to pregnancy, my hair remained the same as always. Perhaps pregnancy will be beneficial to your hair, getting those hormones amped up or at least changing them to the point that you see some benefit to your hair. Have you found any others who used Redmond and found a full recovery?
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mauri
03.09.2007, 23:01
@ nomoresheds
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response to Ginawat |
Anyone who wants to cancel with Redmond Id be glad to take that spot as its hard as hell to get in living so far away. If I were you, I would keep the appointment. At least you'd have a better idea of what you have.
Mauri
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cathybail
14.09.2007, 22:08
@ Debbie
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response - iron and zinc/manganese |
I read that iron and manganese share the same pathways in the body, so if you're supplementing big time with iron, you shoul definitely supplement with manganese at a different time.
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shortywcb
12.12.2007, 17:48
@ Debbie
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response to Debbie |
Debbie,
i wrote you on another post i think. will you email me? i wanted to get more info from you.
Thanks,
nicole
shortywcb@gmail.com
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HairSite Admin
09.05.2008, 21:49
@ cathybail
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response - iron and zinc/manganese |
Iron decreases the absorption of manganese. Hence they should not be taken together.
» I read that iron and manganese share the same pathways in the body, so if
» you're supplementing big time with iron, you shoul definitely supplement
» with manganese at a different time.
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09.05.2008, 22:02
@ nomoresheds
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iron and zinc/manganese |
The following link gives details on how to take iron supplements and I thought it would be helpful to you all -
http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/iron.asp
» For those taking iron, how do you prevent interference with zinc and
» manganese? I wonder if I'm raising ferritin at the expense of other
» minerals,
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