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amy606

05.10.2007, 18:51
 

A question.... (Cyproterone Acetate (Diane35))

I was on yasmin a couple of years ago, as I read that it was anti-androgenic. It helped for a while, then my shed returned. But recently, I've heard that yasmin and yaz are not recommended for women with adrenal problems, which I have. I was wondering if both yasmin and diane35 have the same ingredients, because I definitely don't want to start on diane if they do. I think the yasmin made my adrenals worse (since I was undiagnosed with hypoadrenia at the time I was taking it. But looking back now, I am sure my adrenals were causing problems then, I just didn't know it yet) I don't really want to use any more b/c pills, as they have been nothing but trouble. However, my shed is still here, and now, so many of the hairs I am shedding are so thin and fine, I think they must be miniaturized. I know I have to do something, but things like spiro, finasteride and avodart are not good for women of childbearing age (I'm 25) I need to stop the aga as best I can, so like it or not, diane may be the best solution. Can someone tell me what's in it, what the side effects are, and of course, if you've had any success with it?


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ginawat

05.10.2007, 21:57

@ amy606

A question....

» I was on yasmin a couple of years ago, as I read that it was
» anti-androgenic. It helped for a while, then my shed returned. But
» recently, I've heard that yasmin and yaz are not recommended for women
» with adrenal problems, which I have. I was wondering if both yasmin and
» diane35 have the same ingredients, because I definitely don't want to
» start on diane if they do. I think the yasmin made my adrenals worse
» (since I was undiagnosed with hypoadrenia at the time I was taking it.
» But looking back now, I am sure my adrenals were causing problems then, I
» just didn't know it yet) I don't really want to use any more b/c pills, as
» they have been nothing but trouble. However, my shed is still here, and
» now, so many of the hairs I am shedding are so thin and fine, I think they
» must be miniaturized. I know I have to do something, but things like spiro,
» finasteride and avodart are not good for women of childbearing age (I'm 25)
» I need to stop the aga as best I can, so like it or not, diane may be the
» best solution. Can someone tell me what's in it, what the side effects
» are, and of course, if you've had any success with it?

Can you tell me a bit about hypoadrenia and how you were diagnosed and why Yaz and Yasmn are bad for the adrenals? Any info on the subject would help...thanks!


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amy606

06.10.2007, 07:36

@ ginawat

A question....

Hypoadrenia is when your adrenal glands become fatigued. This can cause many symptoms, such as low blood presure, hair loss, dehydration, brain fog, malabsorption and hormmonal imbalances, to name a few. These are all the symptoms I have, there are some others which I can't remember. Google it and you can find out the others. Most doctors don't consider hypoadrenia a true medical condition, although they used to some years back. Now, unless you have addison's disease (when your adrenal glands completely fail) they don't consider it a problem. My adrenals are functioning somewhat, although not the way they should be. Finally, I am dealing with a doctor (out of my health insurance network, naturally so it costs me plenty) who is treating me for this. She feels that I had an untreated thyroid problem, which caused my adrenals to work harder than normal to compensate for the thyroid's sluggishness, which caused my adrenals to become fatigued. It's kind of like a domino effect. I don't know exactly why its not good to take yaz or yasmin if you have adrenal problems, but I've seen it on their TV commercials ("women who have adrenal problems should not use yaz", something like that) I guess you could always look up yaz or yasmin on their website and read the fine print about the side effects. I didn't know back then that I had hypoadrenia, all I knew was that I felt ill all the time and was losing my hair. I have to say that, when I first starting taking yasmin, I did have a lot of new regrowth, but then the shed came back so I stopped using it. Probably a good thing, as far as my adrenals go. I hate b/c pills, the first one I ever took started all my health and hair problems (but that's another long story) so I really dread the thought of taking them again. Oh, just another mention: b/c pills can be bad for the adrenals in people with a susceptibility to adrenal problems. If only I knew back then what I know now, I never would have taken them in the first place. However, as I said in my previous post, I have to do something to try and improve my hair. I'd like to believe that once my health problems get fixed, my hair will too. But, I suspect that all these health issues triggered AGA and that I will need to do more for my hair than that. Sorry for the long post, I hope it helped.


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ginawat

06.10.2007, 07:56

@ amy606

A question....

Amy,

Thanks so much. I read a little about hypoadrenia and Addison's. I found the second paragragh interesting - where they treat women w/Addisons WITH androgens. Odd...see below


Also - how did you determone you had malabsorbtion issues? Where you tested in some way?

Thanks

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/addisons-disease/DS00361/DSECTION=6


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ginawat

06.10.2007, 08:47

@ ginawat

A question....AMY

» Amy,
»
» Thanks so much. I read a little about hypoadrenia and Addison's. I found
» the second paragragh interesting - where they treat women w/Addisons WITH
» androgens. Odd...see below
»
»
» Also - how did you determone you had malabsorbtion issues? Where you
» tested in some way?
»
» Thanks
»
» http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/addisons-disease/DS00361/DSECTION=6

Amy - one more question.....

how is she (your doc) treating you for the adrenal fatigue and malabsorbtion?

thanks!


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delilah

06.10.2007, 08:59

@ amy606

A question....

Hi Amy

Would your adrenals be less stress if your thyroid was working properly? Are you getting medication to treat your thyroid to correct the condition?


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V

06.10.2007, 11:18

@ delilah

To amy

The progesterone in Yasmin and Diane are different.

The one in Yasmin is Dirosperone (sp?) and and is the equivalant to 25 mg of spiro.

the progesterone in diane is cyperatone acetate...a very good anti-androgen. Cypertone acetate is not approved by the FDA which is why you can't get Diane in the US by prescribtion.

I also think Diane has just a tad bit more E than yasmin..Diane has.35 and I think Yasmin has .30.


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amy606

06.10.2007, 12:54

@ V

to all

Well, I finally had gone to a holistic dr, I had to pay for it out of my own pocket, but after 4 yrs of getting nowhere with mainstream doctors, I realized that I had no choice, because not only was my hair loss ongoing, I was feeling worse and worse physically. This Dr tends to specialize in disorders of the GI tract. He suggested I have a gastrogram, to measure the amount of stomach acid I was producing. I almost didn't have it, it was expensive and I'd spent so much money that I really couldn't afford. But, I decided I had better have all the tests, to rule out everything. The test showed I was producing very little stomach acid. This meant that although I was eating healthy, my body wasn't absorbing the nutrients. Now I take supplemental stomach acid. The low stomach acid is common with adrenal fatigue. To test your adrenals, you do a saliva test, which you can order yourself. I believe if you google canary club labs, or something like that, you can order it. It's expensive, I think around $120 or so. My doctor ordered the test for me, but you don't need a doctor to get the test. Be forewarned, mainstream doctors don't believe in it, they don't really consider hypoadrenia a true condition at all. I don't really understand that, obviously, it makes sense that you would develop hypoadrenia before it develops into addisons, a gradual progression. But, they will only test you for addisons, either you have complete adrenal failure, or you're fine, they don't see any gray areas. This is why you need to either see a naturopath, or get the tests done yourself. My dr tried to use all an all vitamin, herbal approach for my hypoadrenia, but it wasn't enough, because my adrenals were so bad. Now, I take hydrocort which I get by prescription. I really didn't want to have to use cortisone, but my new dr assured me it was only the amount my body would make on its own, so I shouldn't have any bad side effects from it, and I don't. I also take cytomel for my thyroid. The problem with thyroid tests from the mainstream doctors is, they consider anything up to 4 within normal range. I was a 4, so they kept telling me I was fine. Now, of course I know that anything over 2 is hypothyroid, but many doctors still do not want to treat your thyroid unless it is over 4. I believe that was my problem, the doctors told me it was fine, and naively, I assumed they must be right. I am much more cynical now. My new dr feels she can get my adrenals and thyroid back to normal levels, and even hopes that someday, I won't need any meds for them at all. I hope so, I am so resentful of the mainstream medical community for ignoring my health complaints and just assuming that because I was young, I couldn't have any health issues. I've lost 5 yrs of my youth to bad health, when I should have been able to take my good health for granted, like my friends do. And, of course, my hair loss.


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ginawat

06.10.2007, 13:21

@ amy606

to all

» Well, I finally had gone to a holistic dr, I had to pay for it out of my
» own pocket, but after 4 yrs of getting nowhere with mainstream doctors, I
» realized that I had no choice, because not only was my hair loss ongoing,
» I was feeling worse and worse physically. This Dr tends to specialize in
» disorders of the GI tract. He suggested I have a gastrogram, to measure
» the amount of stomach acid I was producing. I almost didn't have it, it
» was expensive and I'd spent so much money that I really couldn't afford.
» But, I decided I had better have all the tests, to rule out everything.
» The test showed I was producing very little stomach acid. This meant that
» although I was eating healthy, my body wasn't absorbing the nutrients.
» Now I take supplemental stomach acid. The low stomach acid is common with
» adrenal fatigue. To test your adrenals, you do a saliva test, which you
» can order yourself. I believe if you google canary club labs, or something
» like that, you can order it. It's expensive, I think around $120 or so. My
» doctor ordered the test for me, but you don't need a doctor to get the
» test. Be forewarned, mainstream doctors don't believe in it, they don't
» really consider hypoadrenia a true condition at all. I don't really
» understand that, obviously, it makes sense that you would develop
» hypoadrenia before it develops into addisons, a gradual progression. But,
» they will only test you for addisons, either you have complete adrenal
» failure, or you're fine, they don't see any gray areas. This is why you
» need to either see a naturopath, or get the tests done yourself. My dr
» tried to use all an all vitamin, herbal approach for my hypoadrenia, but
» it wasn't enough, because my adrenals were so bad. Now, I take hydrocort
» which I get by prescription. I really didn't want to have to use
» cortisone, but my new dr assured me it was only the amount my body would
» make on its own, so I shouldn't have any bad side effects from it, and I
» don't. I also take cytomel for my thyroid. The problem with thyroid
» tests from the mainstream doctors is, they consider anything up to 4
» within normal range. I was a 4, so they kept telling me I was fine. Now,
» of course I know that anything over 2 is hypothyroid, but many doctors
» still do not want to treat your thyroid unless it is over 4. I believe
» that was my problem, the doctors told me it was fine, and naively, I
» assumed they must be right. I am much more cynical now. My new dr feels
» she can get my adrenals and thyroid back to normal levels, and even hopes
» that someday, I won't need any meds for them at all. I hope so, I am so
» resentful of the mainstream medical community for ignoring my health
» complaints and just assuming that because I was young, I couldn't have any
» health issues. I've lost 5 yrs of my youth to bad health, when I should
» have been able to take my good health for granted, like my friends do.
» And, of course, my hair loss.

Amy,

I so desperately anted to have the Heidelberg test (gastrogram) but no doctors seem to know about it or use it. Can oyu tell me where you were able to get it done? THANKS A MILLION!

G


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Sadie

06.10.2007, 16:40

@ amy606

A question....

>>I need to stop the aga as best I can, so like it or not, diane may be the best solution. Can someone tell me what's in it, what the side effects are, and of course, if you've had any success with it?

Hi Amy. Like yourself, i have AGA. I was told some 3 years ago to start Dianette, but i refused to given the side effects i'd heard of (but never experienced as i was on it for 1 yr as a teenager) especially the weight gain and depression. Fast forward 3 years and ive just started dianette. I am on my first month of it. Obviously it is too soon to say if it is working, or will ever work, but i am willing to give it a shot as my hair loss is becoming unbearable for me.

I have read posts in this forum (the CA one) from last year where females talk of some regrowth with CA/Diane, so i am hoping and praying it works for all of us.

xox


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Chris

06.10.2007, 20:19

@ Sadie

to Amy...

Thanks so much for all of that info! I'm going to call my gastro and make an appt. to talk to him about possible adrenal fatigue. I've had ulserative colitis for 14 years now and have diarhea every day (sorry for too much info!) It makes me wonder if I'm not absorbing nutrients. Now I can go in to his office armed with the info you gave. Thanks again!


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amy606

06.10.2007, 23:59

@ Chris

to Amy...

I live in NYC and I went to a Dr Ash. He takes a holistic approach, using natural supplements as much as possible. He did the gastrogram. He feels that most of our health problems are related to the GI tract. SInce I also had IBS, he focused on that. He isn't a hair loss expert, but he did find other health issues that he felt could be contributing to my hair loss. He had me on the candida diet for a while too, suspecting a candida problem. There is no definitive test for candida but based on my symptoms, he felt I should try it. It is not easy though, very restrictive. He does not take health insurance, as most of the holisitc dr's do not. I have to say, he was helpful with diagnosing my health issues, but the vitamins and hebal supplements weren't enough to cure my adrenals, they were so bad. I had to take cortisol and cytomel. Dr Ash does tend to push his vitamins and supplements, which are very costly. Still, he was more helpful than my previous doctors. You will find that mainstream doctors won't offer much help with adrenal fatigue, or candida either. I am sure if you mention adrenal fatigue, they won't take you seriously (just as they don't take hair loss seriously) When I read about adrenal fatigue, I realized I had so many of the symptoms that it was obvious I had to have it. There is a good book, "Adrenal Fatigue, the 21st Century Stress Syndrome" written by Dr. James Wilson. It has a lot of helpful information, anyone who thinks they have adrenal problems should read it.


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Sadie

07.10.2007, 06:17

@ amy606

to Amy...

I had a full sexual health check up at St Barts Hospital a couple of years ago, and im pretty sure a Candida test was done as part of it. Hmmm.

For me, personally, ive done the endoscopy/colonoscopy/colon hydrotherapy/ gastro route/sexual health route...everything is fine, but the hair loss continues.

Though, it is good to eliminate all other contributing factors of hair loss :)


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