sky77
28.01.2008, 16:18 |
Anyone tried flutamide? just started.... (Androgenetic Alopcia (AGA) Female Pattern) |
I've been taking cyproterone and spiro for the last 3 years and although I think it did sort of help my hair loss I have a real problem taking these anti-androgens with estrogen.
Anyway, I saw my endo last week and asked if I could try flutamide just incase cypro and spiro was stopping my periods and giving my low estrogen (both cypro and spiro have progesterone activity and can stop your ovaries from functioning via some sort of feedback from the pituitary gland... or something like that). My endo agreed and put me on 250mg flutamide twice a day; I started 3 days ago and have noticed no change (I stopped everything else). My skin is slightly oilier but no acne. I am losing the same numbers of hairs in the shower (roughly 100) but the ratio between terminal and miniturized hairs have changed - I am losing a lot more miniturized hairs and less terminal hairs when I blow dry.
Just wondering if anyone has any experience... I'm really hoping my periods will come back....
thanks...
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bunnyheather
29.01.2008, 15:00
@ sky77
|
Anyone tried flutamide? just started.... |
» I've been taking cyproterone and spiro for the last 3 years and although I
» think it did sort of help my hair loss I have a real problem taking these
» anti-androgens with estrogen.
»
» Anyway, I saw my endo last week and asked if I could try flutamide just
» incase cypro and spiro was stopping my periods and giving my low estrogen
» (both cypro and spiro have progesterone activity and can stop your ovaries
» from functioning via some sort of feedback from the pituitary gland... or
» something like that). My endo agreed and put me on 250mg flutamide twice a
» day; I started 3 days ago and have noticed no change (I stopped everything
» else). My skin is slightly oilier but no acne. I am losing the same
» numbers of hairs in the shower (roughly 100) but the ratio between
» terminal and miniturized hairs have changed - I am losing a lot more
» miniturized hairs and less terminal hairs when I blow dry.
»
» Just wondering if anyone has any experience... I'm really hoping my
» periods will come back....
»
» thanks...
WHat problems did you have with the cyproterone and spiro and estrogen??
|
bunnyheather
29.01.2008, 15:03
@ bunnyheather
|
Anyone tried flutamide? just started.... |
» » I've been taking cyproterone and spiro for the last 3 years and although
» I
» » think it did sort of help my hair loss I have a real problem taking
» these
» » anti-androgens with estrogen.
» »
» » Anyway, I saw my endo last week and asked if I could try flutamide just
» » incase cypro and spiro was stopping my periods and giving my low
» estrogen
» » (both cypro and spiro have progesterone activity and can stop your
» ovaries
» » from functioning via some sort of feedback from the pituitary gland...
» or
» » something like that). My endo agreed and put me on 250mg flutamide twice
» a
» » day; I started 3 days ago and have noticed no change (I stopped
» everything
» » else). My skin is slightly oilier but no acne. I am losing the same
» » numbers of hairs in the shower (roughly 100) but the ratio between
» » terminal and miniturized hairs have changed - I am losing a lot more
» » miniturized hairs and less terminal hairs when I blow dry.
» »
» » Just wondering if anyone has any experience... I'm really hoping my
» » periods will come back....
» »
» » thanks...
»
» WHat problems did you have with the cyproterone and spiro and estrogen??
Oh, and you said you are losing more miniturized hairs and less terminal hairs. How do you know the difference? I only lose long hairs....
|
tc
30.01.2008, 16:09
@ sky77
|
Anyone tried flutamide? just started.... |
» I've been taking cyproterone and spiro for the last 3 years and although I
» think it did sort of help my hair loss I have a real problem taking these
» anti-androgens with estrogen.
»
» Anyway, I saw my endo last week and asked if I could try flutamide just
» incase cypro and spiro was stopping my periods and giving my low estrogen
» (both cypro and spiro have progesterone activity and can stop your ovaries
» from functioning via some sort of feedback from the pituitary gland... or
» something like that). My endo agreed and put me on 250mg flutamide twice a
» day; I started 3 days ago and have noticed no change (I stopped everything
» else). My skin is slightly oilier but no acne. I am losing the same
» numbers of hairs in the shower (roughly 100) but the ratio between
» terminal and miniturized hairs have changed - I am losing a lot more
» miniturized hairs and less terminal hairs when I blow dry.
»
» Just wondering if anyone has any experience... I'm really hoping my
» periods will come back....
»
» thanks...
I haven't tried flutamide, just started dutasteride (avodart) a few weeks ago(and am on spiro and desogen). But like everything, I imagine it will be several weeks to months before you will really see any results from it. I think many women think they will see differences sooner, but from what I understand...the whole hair growing process is rather slow as far as turnover and follicles being affected so it doesn't seem possible that in a few days you'd be feeling any effects..it likely would have happened that way anyway. I know...it's so hard to be patient!! I feel like my hair has changed dramatically in the last few weeks and it feels so thin to me in the front. I have alot of miniturized hairs and alot that now poke up all over the place. I lose both terminal and miniturized still, but mostly the thinner hairs that are in the front.
|
bunnyheather
30.01.2008, 17:20
@ tc
|
Anyone tried flutamide? just started.... |
» » I've been taking cyproterone and spiro for the last 3 years and although
» I
» » think it did sort of help my hair loss I have a real problem taking
» these
» » anti-androgens with estrogen.
» »
» » Anyway, I saw my endo last week and asked if I could try flutamide just
» » incase cypro and spiro was stopping my periods and giving my low
» estrogen
» » (both cypro and spiro have progesterone activity and can stop your
» ovaries
» » from functioning via some sort of feedback from the pituitary gland...
» or
» » something like that). My endo agreed and put me on 250mg flutamide twice
» a
» » day; I started 3 days ago and have noticed no change (I stopped
» everything
» » else). My skin is slightly oilier but no acne. I am losing the same
» » numbers of hairs in the shower (roughly 100) but the ratio between
» » terminal and miniturized hairs have changed - I am losing a lot more
» » miniturized hairs and less terminal hairs when I blow dry.
» »
» » Just wondering if anyone has any experience... I'm really hoping my
» » periods will come back....
» »
» » thanks...
»
» I haven't tried flutamide, just started dutasteride (avodart) a few weeks
» ago(and am on spiro and desogen). But like everything, I imagine it will
» be several weeks to months before you will really see any results from it.
» I think many women think they will see differences sooner, but from what I
» understand...the whole hair growing process is rather slow as far as
» turnover and follicles being affected so it doesn't seem possible that in
» a few days you'd be feeling any effects..it likely would have happened
» that way anyway. I know...it's so hard to be patient!! I feel like my hair
» has changed dramatically in the last few weeks and it feels so thin to me
» in the front. I have alot of miniturized hairs and alot that now poke up
» all over the place. I lose both terminal and miniturized still, but mostly
» the thinner hairs that are in the front.
TC
You are under Dr Redmonds care, yes? Tell him this for me.......
I think this is quite a coincidence....
You, Sadie and I had/have all been taking some kind of Anti androgen and we ALL have experienced the same thing!!! The front thinning and looking miniturized QUICKLy over the course of treatment AND a lot of hairs poking out that are coarser/darker/thicker in diameter) than the rest.
Now, how could all 3 of us have a negative reaction to anti androgens?? Or maybe its not negative but positive?? Maybe our hair is changing to thicker hairs and the ones that were becoming miniturized (thin hairs in diameter) are falling out faster that the new healthy ones can keep up with, thus less density in the front? And notice its the areas most effected by AGA that are changing..
Ladies, what do you think about what I have just said?
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sky77
30.01.2008, 22:18
@ bunnyheather
|
bunnyheather...flutamide vs other anti-androgens |
I have been taking cyproterone and spiro since stopping birth control 3 years ago and during this whole time I have not had a natural period without taking hormones. I seem to have problems with taking estrogen i.e acne, worse hairloss, nausea (both synthetic and bio-identical). My endo tried to get my ovaries to work via all sorts of hormone medications with no luck ( I just turned 30 so way to young to have no estrogen in the body).
I started taking some form of estrogen regularly about 14 months ago and my hair loss and skin got much much worse which totally didn't make sense because I was taking an extremely high dose of cyproterone (200mg) and spiro(100-200mg). My endo and I tried all these different combos (higher estrogen, lower estrogen, different type of estrogen, lowering the anti-androgens) but nothing worked - during this time all my regrowth came in as miniturized hairs and I now have 25% of my original hair density left. For some reason my body just doesn't like estrogen with cypro or spiro.
So after some research, I told my endo I wanted to try flutamide because for some women, taking cypro and spiro can stop the ovaries from working (both of them have progesterone activity) and obviously taking an external form of estrogen is not working for me... I went to my appointment with printouts of information on flutamide (studies have shown that flutamide with metformin have helped some women to get back their menstrual cycles) and my endo agreed to let me try flutamide for 6 months as long as I get my liver checked regularly.
I have been on flutamide for 6 days. The week before flutamide my average hair loss was 100-150 a day. Yesterday my total hair loss was 77 and today it's on track for being somewhere between 80-90. My shower has gone from 100/130 to 63/65 in the last two days... I have stopped all the other anti-androgens and all I am taking is flutamide and metformin.
I know it is still early but I am hopeful this is going to work. My hair loss has gone from mainly terminal hair during shower/blowdrying to more miniturized hairs which I take is a good sign. This is my last resort - there are studies that flutamide works better than both spiro and cyproterone... hopefully it will work for me...
During my 3 years on cypro and spiro my hair never stopped falling out but I did have regrowth... but my hair was still thinning just slowly.
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sky77
30.01.2008, 22:25
@ sky77
|
miniturized vs terminal hairs... |
For me the difference between miniturized and terminal hairs is really obvious. Terminal hairs are hairs that are of normal thickness regardless of length and miniturized hairs are the ones that are really thin and usually quite short. My miniturized hairs are usually somewhere between 1-5 inches in length and are really thin in diameter (sorta like thick spider webs), they are also really soft and wispy.... really different from normal healthy hair.
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sky77
30.01.2008, 22:39
@ sky77
|
miniturized vs terminal hairs... |
btw, in my experince growing miniturized hairs or losing hair density without shedding is just bad news. I've always shed hair (there's always been hair all around my house) but I had the thickest hair ever before I turned 26 and I never ever saw a thin miniturized hair in my shower/blowdry ever...
I think regrowth is WAY more important than the amount of hair you shed - if you are losing hair density and you're not shedding more than usual than obviously you're not regrowing and that is just bad bad bad in the long run....
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bunnyheather
31.01.2008, 13:12
@ sky77
|
To Sky77 |
» I have been taking cyproterone and spiro since stopping birth control 3
» years ago and during this whole time I have not had a natural period
» without taking hormones. I seem to have problems with taking estrogen i.e
» acne, worse hairloss, nausea (both synthetic and bio-identical). My endo
» tried to get my ovaries to work via all sorts of hormone medications with
» no luck ( I just turned 30 so way to young to have no estrogen in the
» body).
»
» I started taking some form of estrogen regularly about 14 months ago and
» my hair loss and skin got much much worse which totally didn't make sense
» because I was taking an extremely high dose of cyproterone (200mg) and
» spiro(100-200mg). My endo and I tried all these different combos (higher
» estrogen, lower estrogen, different type of estrogen, lowering the
» anti-androgens) but nothing worked - during this time all my regrowth came
» in as miniturized hairs and I now have 25% of my original hair density
» left. For some reason my body just doesn't like estrogen with cypro or
» spiro.
»
» So after some research, I told my endo I wanted to try flutamide because
» for some women, taking cypro and spiro can stop the ovaries from working
» (both of them have progesterone activity) and obviously taking an external
» form of estrogen is not working for me... I went to my appointment with
» printouts of information on flutamide (studies have shown that flutamide
» with metformin have helped some women to get back their menstrual cycles)
» and my endo agreed to let me try flutamide for 6 months as long as I get
» my liver checked regularly.
»
» I have been on flutamide for 6 days. The week before flutamide my average
» hair loss was 100-150 a day. Yesterday my total hair loss was 77 and today
» it's on track for being somewhere between 80-90. My shower has gone from
» 100/130 to 63/65 in the last two days... I have stopped all the other
» anti-androgens and all I am taking is flutamide and metformin.
»
» I know it is still early but I am hopeful this is going to work. My hair
» loss has gone from mainly terminal hair during shower/blowdrying to more
» miniturized hairs which I take is a good sign. This is my last resort -
» there are studies that flutamide works better than both spiro and
» cyproterone... hopefully it will work for me...
»
» During my 3 years on cypro and spiro my hair never stopped falling out but
» I did have regrowth... but my hair was still thinning just slowly.
My hair has never shed a lot (even when I was a teen, early adult)unless I have TE whcih has only happened a copule times in my life. SO I disagree that its bad to not shed. I think I would have thinned regardless of shedding or not.
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sky77
31.01.2008, 14:38
@ bunnyheather
|
To Sky77 |
I not saying shedding is good... I'm just saying not having any regrowth is bad...obviously shedding with no regrowth is worse than no shedding with no regrowth...
|
bunnyheather
31.01.2008, 16:07
@ sky77
|
To Sky77 |
» I not saying shedding is good... I'm just saying not having any regrowth is
» bad...obviously shedding with no regrowth is worse than no shedding with no
» regrowth...
I am having regrowth more than adverage (than when I wasnt taking any orals)..I cant see how trhey could be broken hairs as my hair is pretty healthy..
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sky77
31.01.2008, 19:00
@ bunnyheather
|
bunnyheather.... |
If you are not shedding more than normal and you have lots of healthy regrowth than I think your hair should be fine... just give it some time. It's only excess shedding and growing vellus/miniturized hairs that is the real problem...
|
bunnyheather
31.01.2008, 19:15
@ sky77
|
bunnyheather.... |
» If you are not shedding more than normal and you have lots of healthy
» regrowth than I think your hair should be fine... just give it some time.
» It's only excess shedding and growing vellus/miniturized hairs that is the
» real problem...
But if you are having a fair amount of healthy regrowth and not shedding a lot, how could someone be visably thinning over like, 2 months? WHich is my case.....Its really strange. The hairs I am growing are darker and atleast as thick as my natural hair. They are tapered at the end so I know its not breakage. I am also having some vellous hair growing in spots where it hasnt before (at hairline that used to have no hair), but overall, my crown keeps getting thinner despite these things. Do you think I should stay on the Diane for a few more months? I cant get into a derm until the end of next month. Like I said in previous bulletin, my hair looks worse than before I started the diane, its thinner on the crown. and its gotten that way pretty dang fast, but yet I see regrowth..... I just need some hope from anyone.
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tc
01.02.2008, 09:39
@ bunnyheather
|
Bunnyheather~Anyone tried flutamide? just started.... |
» » » I've been taking cyproterone and spiro for the last 3 years and
» although
» » I
» » » think it did sort of help my hair loss I have a real problem taking
» » these
» » » anti-androgens with estrogen.
» » »
» » » Anyway, I saw my endo last week and asked if I could try flutamide
» just
» » » incase cypro and spiro was stopping my periods and giving my low
» » estrogen
» » » (both cypro and spiro have progesterone activity and can stop your
» » ovaries
» » » from functioning via some sort of feedback from the pituitary
» gland...
» » or
» » » something like that). My endo agreed and put me on 250mg flutamide
» twice
» » a
» » » day; I started 3 days ago and have noticed no change (I stopped
» » everything
» » » else). My skin is slightly oilier but no acne. I am losing the same
» » » numbers of hairs in the shower (roughly 100) but the ratio between
» » » terminal and miniturized hairs have changed - I am losing a lot more
» » » miniturized hairs and less terminal hairs when I blow dry.
» » »
» » » Just wondering if anyone has any experience... I'm really hoping my
» » » periods will come back....
» » »
» » » thanks...
» »
» » I haven't tried flutamide, just started dutasteride (avodart) a few
» weeks
» » ago(and am on spiro and desogen). But like everything, I imagine it
» will
» » be several weeks to months before you will really see any results from
» it.
» » I think many women think they will see differences sooner, but from what
» I
» » understand...the whole hair growing process is rather slow as far as
» » turnover and follicles being affected so it doesn't seem possible that
» in
» » a few days you'd be feeling any effects..it likely would have happened
» » that way anyway. I know...it's so hard to be patient!! I feel like my
» hair
» » has changed dramatically in the last few weeks and it feels so thin to
» me
» » in the front. I have alot of miniturized hairs and alot that now poke
» up
» » all over the place. I lose both terminal and miniturized still, but
» mostly
» » the thinner hairs that are in the front.
»
»
» TC
» You are under Dr Redmonds care, yes? Tell him this for me.......
» I think this is quite a coincidence....
»
» You, Sadie and I had/have all been taking some kind of Anti androgen and
» we ALL have experienced the same thing!!! The front thinning and looking
» miniturized QUICKLy over the course of treatment AND a lot of hairs poking
» out that are coarser/darker/thicker in diameter) than the rest.
»
» Now, how could all 3 of us have a negative reaction to anti androgens??
» Or maybe its not negative but positive?? Maybe our hair is changing to
» thicker hairs and the ones that were becoming miniturized (thin hairs in
» diameter) are falling out faster that the new healthy ones can keep up
» with, thus less density in the front? And notice its the areas most
» effected by AGA that are changing..
»
» Ladies, what do you think about what I have just said?
Bunnyheather~I see Dr. Redmond on the 11th and will mention the coincidence. However, for me, I am not convinced the new hairs poking up on my head are thicker, in fact I think they are miniturizing but I'm not certain. They are definitely not thicker, maybe the same if anything. I would think thicker would be a great sign! I suspect my frontal thinning would have occurred regardless because it was headed that way...I don't know that it's a response the the anti-androgens or not or just a pattern for me. Here's what I'm wondering...does one need something extra to thicken up the hairs affected by miniturization or will it happen on it's own once the effects of DHT are minimized and under control? It seems alot of women feel the need to use Rogaine to thicken them up.
|
bunnyheather
01.02.2008, 17:08
@ tc
|
Bunnyheather~Anyone tried flutamide? just started.... |
» » » » I've been taking cyproterone and spiro for the last 3 years and
» » although
» » » I
» » » » think it did sort of help my hair loss I have a real problem taking
» » » these
» » » » anti-androgens with estrogen.
» » » »
» » » » Anyway, I saw my endo last week and asked if I could try flutamide
» » just
» » » » incase cypro and spiro was stopping my periods and giving my low
» » » estrogen
» » » » (both cypro and spiro have progesterone activity and can stop your
» » » ovaries
» » » » from functioning via some sort of feedback from the pituitary
» » gland...
» » » or
» » » » something like that). My endo agreed and put me on 250mg flutamide
» » twice
» » » a
» » » » day; I started 3 days ago and have noticed no change (I stopped
» » » everything
» » » » else). My skin is slightly oilier but no acne. I am losing the same
» » » » numbers of hairs in the shower (roughly 100) but the ratio between
» » » » terminal and miniturized hairs have changed - I am losing a lot
» more
» » » » miniturized hairs and less terminal hairs when I blow dry.
» » » »
» » » » Just wondering if anyone has any experience... I'm really hoping my
» » » » periods will come back....
» » » »
» » » » thanks...
» » »
» » » I haven't tried flutamide, just started dutasteride (avodart) a few
» » weeks
» » » ago(and am on spiro and desogen). But like everything, I imagine it
» » will
» » » be several weeks to months before you will really see any results
» from
» » it.
» » » I think many women think they will see differences sooner, but from
» what
» » I
» » » understand...the whole hair growing process is rather slow as far as
» » » turnover and follicles being affected so it doesn't seem possible
» that
» » in
» » » a few days you'd be feeling any effects..it likely would have
» happened
» » » that way anyway. I know...it's so hard to be patient!! I feel like my
» » hair
» » » has changed dramatically in the last few weeks and it feels so thin
» to
» » me
» » » in the front. I have alot of miniturized hairs and alot that now poke
» » up
» » » all over the place. I lose both terminal and miniturized still, but
» » mostly
» » » the thinner hairs that are in the front.
» »
» »
» » TC
» » You are under Dr Redmonds care, yes? Tell him this for me.......
» » I think this is quite a coincidence....
» »
» » You, Sadie and I had/have all been taking some kind of Anti androgen
» and
» » we ALL have experienced the same thing!!! The front thinning and
» looking
» » miniturized QUICKLy over the course of treatment AND a lot of hairs
» poking
» » out that are coarser/darker/thicker in diameter) than the rest.
» »
» » Now, how could all 3 of us have a negative reaction to anti
» androgens??
» » Or maybe its not negative but positive?? Maybe our hair is changing to
» » thicker hairs and the ones that were becoming miniturized (thin hairs
» in
» » diameter) are falling out faster that the new healthy ones can keep up
» » with, thus less density in the front? And notice its the areas most
» » effected by AGA that are changing..
» »
» » Ladies, what do you think about what I have just said?
»
» Bunnyheather~I see Dr. Redmond on the 11th and will mention the
» coincidence. However, for me, I am not convinced the new hairs poking up
» on my head are thicker, in fact I think they are miniturizing but I'm not
» certain. They are definitely not thicker, maybe the same if anything. I
» would think thicker would be a great sign! I suspect my frontal thinning
» would have occurred regardless because it was headed that way...I don't
» know that it's a response the the anti-androgens or not or just a pattern
» for me. Here's what I'm wondering...does one need something extra to
» thicken up the hairs affected by miniturization or will it happen on it's
» own once the effects of DHT are minimized and under control? It seems alot
» of women feel the need to use Rogaine to thicken them up.
You are already using Rogaine, right?
|
tc
02.02.2008, 15:13
@ bunnyheather
|
Bunnyheather~Anyone tried flutamide? just started.... |
» » » » » I've been taking cyproterone and spiro for the last 3 years and
» » » although
» » » » I
» » » » » think it did sort of help my hair loss I have a real problem
» taking
» » » » these
» » » » » anti-androgens with estrogen.
» » » » »
» » » » » Anyway, I saw my endo last week and asked if I could try
» flutamide
» » » just
» » » » » incase cypro and spiro was stopping my periods and giving my low
» » » » estrogen
» » » » » (both cypro and spiro have progesterone activity and can stop
» your
» » » » ovaries
» » » » » from functioning via some sort of feedback from the pituitary
» » » gland...
» » » » or
» » » » » something like that). My endo agreed and put me on 250mg
» flutamide
» » » twice
» » » » a
» » » » » day; I started 3 days ago and have noticed no change (I stopped
» » » » everything
» » » » » else). My skin is slightly oilier but no acne. I am losing the
» same
» » » » » numbers of hairs in the shower (roughly 100) but the ratio
» between
» » » » » terminal and miniturized hairs have changed - I am losing a lot
» » more
» » » » » miniturized hairs and less terminal hairs when I blow dry.
» » » » »
» » » » » Just wondering if anyone has any experience... I'm really hoping
» my
» » » » » periods will come back....
» » » » »
» » » » » thanks...
» » » »
» » » » I haven't tried flutamide, just started dutasteride (avodart) a few
» » » weeks
» » » » ago(and am on spiro and desogen). But like everything, I imagine it
» » » will
» » » » be several weeks to months before you will really see any results
» » from
» » » it.
» » » » I think many women think they will see differences sooner, but from
» » what
» » » I
» » » » understand...the whole hair growing process is rather slow as far
» as
» » » » turnover and follicles being affected so it doesn't seem possible
» » that
» » » in
» » » » a few days you'd be feeling any effects..it likely would have
» » happened
» » » » that way anyway. I know...it's so hard to be patient!! I feel like
» my
» » » hair
» » » » has changed dramatically in the last few weeks and it feels so thin
» » to
» » » me
» » » » in the front. I have alot of miniturized hairs and alot that now
» poke
» » » up
» » » » all over the place. I lose both terminal and miniturized still, but
» » » mostly
» » » » the thinner hairs that are in the front.
» » »
» » »
» » » TC
» » » You are under Dr Redmonds care, yes? Tell him this for me.......
» » » I think this is quite a coincidence....
» » »
» » » You, Sadie and I had/have all been taking some kind of Anti androgen
» » and
» » » we ALL have experienced the same thing!!! The front thinning and
» » looking
» » » miniturized QUICKLy over the course of treatment AND a lot of hairs
» » poking
» » » out that are coarser/darker/thicker in diameter) than the rest.
» » »
» » » Now, how could all 3 of us have a negative reaction to anti
» » androgens??
» » » Or maybe its not negative but positive?? Maybe our hair is changing
» to
» » » thicker hairs and the ones that were becoming miniturized (thin hairs
» » in
» » » diameter) are falling out faster that the new healthy ones can keep
» up
» » » with, thus less density in the front? And notice its the areas most
» » » effected by AGA that are changing..
» » »
» » » Ladies, what do you think about what I have just said?
» »
» » Bunnyheather~I see Dr. Redmond on the 11th and will mention the
» » coincidence. However, for me, I am not convinced the new hairs poking
» up
» » on my head are thicker, in fact I think they are miniturizing but I'm
» not
» » certain. They are definitely not thicker, maybe the same if anything. I
» » would think thicker would be a great sign! I suspect my frontal
» thinning
» » would have occurred regardless because it was headed that way...I don't
» » know that it's a response the the anti-androgens or not or just a
» pattern
» » for me. Here's what I'm wondering...does one need something extra to
» » thicken up the hairs affected by miniturization or will it happen on
» it's
» » own once the effects of DHT are minimized and under control? It seems
» alot
» » of women feel the need to use Rogaine to thicken them up.
»
» You are already using Rogaine, right?
Nope...never used the stuff...it freaks me out. I might get to that point but not yet. Redmond is not a big fan of it.
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sky77
02.02.2008, 20:17
@ tc
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Bunnyheather - just a thought... |
If it was up to me, I would definately quit a medication that I THINK is making my hair worse regardless of whether I am shedding or not. Did you ever get your hormones tested before taking diane?
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ana99
03.02.2008, 20:53
@ bunnyheather
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Anyone tried flutamide? just started.... |
» » » I've been taking cyproterone and spiro for the last 3 years and
» although
» » I
» » » think it did sort of help my hair loss I have a real problem taking
» » these
» » » anti-androgens with estrogen.
» » »
» » » Anyway, I saw my endo last week and asked if I could try flutamide
» just
» » » incase cypro and spiro was stopping my periods and giving my low
» » estrogen
» » » (both cypro and spiro have progesterone activity and can stop your
» » ovaries
» » » from functioning via some sort of feedback from the pituitary
» gland...
» » or
» » » something like that). My endo agreed and put me on 250mg flutamide
» twice
» » a
» » » day; I started 3 days ago and have noticed no change (I stopped
» » everything
» » » else). My skin is slightly oilier but no acne. I am losing the same
» » » numbers of hairs in the shower (roughly 100) but the ratio between
» » » terminal and miniturized hairs have changed - I am losing a lot more
» » » miniturized hairs and less terminal hairs when I blow dry.
» » »
» » » Just wondering if anyone has any experience... I'm really hoping my
» » » periods will come back....
» » »
» » » thanks...
» »
» » WHat problems did you have with the cyproterone and spiro and
» estrogen??
»
» Oh, and you said you are losing more miniturized hairs and less terminal
» hairs. How do you know the difference? I only lose long hairs....
REALLY? Then how do you know you have AGA? maybe you don't even have that. With AGA you get those thin little hairs fall out, that look like they are not done growing yet.
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bunnyheather
03.02.2008, 21:13
@ sky77
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Bunnyheather - just a thought... |
» If it was up to me, I would definately quit a medication that I THINK is
» making my hair worse regardless of whether I am shedding or not. Did you
» ever get your hormones tested before taking diane?
Yes, my hormones were normal. And I am VERY fertile.
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jann
07.04.2008, 23:59
@ bunnyheather
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Bunnyheather - just a thought... |
I've been on other threads. Maybe somebody can help me. in menopause since 42. now 52. hair drastically thinned starting in November. Probably thinning before but looked good ,but now my scalp is noticeable. Been dealing with going back on HRT, blah,blah,blah. In denial, thought that would fix it. Hairloss dermatologist did biopsy and at my insistence side and back because scalp has few bumps that stayed. AGA diagnosed on top of scalp. had folliculitis on side and nape of nape. on antibiotics. So I said but what do I start taking now to stop hair loss. I forgot to mention he does hair transplants. So that's what he said. Here I thought he was a derm. who dealt with an arsenol of medicines. His answer hair transplant. anway ,He said well you could take Spirolactone. I had tried before. it made me nauseous. Couldn't take it. But he only prescribes 25 twice a day anyway. What kind of hair loss expert is he? Even I know from reading blogs and articles on-line it's 100 to 200 a day, but I can't tolerate it. So I finally got Propecia 1 mg a day from him. Is that okay in place of spiro. I see spiro is anti-andogen and Propecia is DHT blocker. Or should I take sometime in place of spiro and take propecia. I don't understand all of this, but I'm becoming a recluse and am desperate. I started Rogaine two weeks ago 5% twice a day. What do i need to be taking? Help.
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delilah
08.04.2008, 08:39
@ jann
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Bunnyheather - just a thought... |
» I've been on other threads. Maybe somebody can help me. in menopause
» since 42. now 52. hair drastically thinned starting in November.
» Probably thinning before but looked good ,but now my scalp is noticeable.
» Been dealing with going back on HRT, blah,blah,blah. In denial, thought
» that would fix it. Hairloss dermatologist did biopsy and at my insistence
» side and back because scalp has few bumps that stayed. AGA diagnosed on
» top of scalp. had folliculitis on side and nape of nape. on antibiotics.
» So I said but what do I start taking now to stop hair loss. I forgot to
» mention he does hair transplants. So that's what he said. Here I thought
» he was a derm. who dealt with an arsenol of medicines. His answer hair
» transplant. anway ,He said well you could take Spirolactone. I had tried
» before. it made me nauseous. Couldn't take it. But he only prescribes 25
» twice a day anyway. What kind of hair loss expert is he? Even I know
» from reading blogs and articles on-line it's 100 to 200 a day, but I can't
» tolerate it. So I finally got Propecia 1 mg a day from him. Is that okay
» in place of spiro. I see spiro is anti-andogen and Propecia is DHT
» blocker. Or should I take sometime in place of spiro and take propecia.
» I don't understand all of this, but I'm becoming a recluse and am
» desperate. I started Rogaine two weeks ago 5% twice a day. What do i need
» to be taking? Help.
Hi Jann
Not sure that a transplant will help with menopausal HL since the hair is subject to diffuse loss due to estrogen decrease. I agree that 25 mg. isn't going to do much.
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HairSite Admin
08.05.2008, 22:16
@ jann
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Bunnyheather - just a thought... |
Hair transplant is not the right option.
Both spiro and finasteride block the effects of androgens though by different mechanisms.
Spiro at a higher dose than you are taking or finasteride can be good options for you.
» I've been on other threads. Maybe somebody can help me. in menopause
» since 42. now 52. hair drastically thinned starting in November.
» Probably thinning before but looked good ,but now my scalp is noticeable.
» Been dealing with going back on HRT, blah,blah,blah. In denial, thought
» that would fix it. Hairloss dermatologist did biopsy and at my insistence
» side and back because scalp has few bumps that stayed. AGA diagnosed on
» top of scalp. had folliculitis on side and nape of nape. on antibiotics.
» So I said but what do I start taking now to stop hair loss. I forgot to
» mention he does hair transplants. So that's what he said. Here I thought
» he was a derm. who dealt with an arsenol of medicines. His answer hair
» transplant. anway ,He said well you could take Spirolactone. I had tried
» before. it made me nauseous. Couldn't take it. But he only prescribes 25
» twice a day anyway. What kind of hair loss expert is he? Even I know from
» reading blogs and articles on-line it's 100 to 200 a day, but I can't
» tolerate it. So I finally got Propecia 1 mg a day from him. Is that okay
» in place of spiro. I see spiro is anti-andogen and Propecia is DHT
» blocker. Or should I take sometime in place of spiro and take propecia. I
» don't understand all of this, but I'm becoming a recluse and am desperate.
» I started Rogaine two weeks ago 5% twice a day. What do i need to be
» taking? Help.
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10.05.2008, 13:48
@ HairSite Admin
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Bunnyheather - just a thought... |
» Hair transplant is not the right option.
It really depends on the extent and pattern of the hair loss. FUE hair transplant can sometimes work very well for women hair loss. No knife, no scalpel, no stitches, no visible scarring. Very often 1 session is all that is necessary.
You can see some before and after pictures here. In general, women who exhibit clearly defined thinning areas or bald spots are good candidates for hair transplant.
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