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skinnyhair

05.09.2008, 10:18

About dht (Androgenetic Alopcia (AGA) Female Pattern)

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I have read a little about dht and its effect on hair. What is your oppinion about it, does it really give women hair loss as well?

Some say, it it not really a cause for female hairloss, and if it is, the female should have other symptoms as well, such as deepend voice, bigger muscles, facial hair and so on.

What's the deal here?

I did read however, that a read scalp is a sign of inflammation, that can occur when dht is destroing the follicels. (I have red, sore scalp)
Can red scalp also be a sign of TE?

Ok, this is so confusing all of this. Why in the world haven't they come up with a 100% cure against hair loss, now when they have all this knowledge?? Do I really have to become a scientist myself, just to get it done? It seems so close, like the answer is just around the corner.

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skinnyhair

05.09.2008, 12:47

@ skinnyhair
About dht...btw!!

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Anyone seen a difference in the use of emu oil? 5 mg of Biotin/day? Biotin shampoo? Emu oil shampoo?
Anything else?

Would it be bad to try a dht blocker, like a natural one like NuHair from Walgreens, if you DON'T lose hair because of dht?

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Sadie

05.09.2008, 16:13

@ skinnyhair
About dht...btw!!

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Ditto what i was thinking. As i have AGA which is a sensitivity to DHT/Androgens, then why dont i have other male features e.g. excess facial hair, deeper voice blah blah. I'm thinking this cos i wonder if i should take spiro - an anti androgen.

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skinnyhair

05.09.2008, 21:00

@ Sadie
About dht...btw!!

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� Ditto what i was thinking. As i have AGA which is a sensitivity to
� DHT/Androgens, then why dont i have other male features e.g. excess facial
� hair, deeper voice blah blah. I'm thinking this cos i wonder if i should
� take spiro - an anti androgen.

Hm, I wonder if it could be...that a woman doesn't have to have high(er) amounts of androgens, but even the tinyest amounts she have, can cause trouble??? So, then...killing off all androgens should help, right? But, I guess that can bring other problem. I think androgens are what gives us the drive to live (yea, right!)

Anyhow, have you tried Biotin or emu oil? Any luck?

BC's gave me a lions' mane back in my early 20's, now all they did for me was shedding my already limp tresses. I have learned that the increased amount of estrogens can speed up hair growth so it seems like ine is shedding extra for a while, but tjat it will regulate. Well, I just couldn't just sit there and continue with bc, so I quit. Now, I shed like crazy! +300 hairs a day, easy! Just a month after quitting!!!

skinnyhair is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO

HairSite Admin

05.09.2008, 21:59

@ skinnyhair
About dht

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Female pattern hair loss may be triggered by low oestrogen to androgen ratio
Endocr Regul. 2008 Mar;42(1):13-6

OBJECTIVE:
In both sexes the androgenetic alopecia is known to be mediated by the conversion of circulating androgens into dihydrotestosterone within the hair follicle. However, there are a number of differences between male and female pattern baldness with estrogen known to be protective against hair loss in women. Since androgen levels in women with female pattern hair loss are mostly within the normal range, we decided to calculate the ratio of estrogens to androgens in order to find a putative trigger for their hair loss.

METHODS:
We studied 20 premenopausal women with female pattern hair loss and 9 healthy women for serum levels of LH, FSH, estradiol, free and total testosterone, sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) and dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate (DHEAS) on the first day of their menstrual cycle.

RESULTS:
Although the absolute levels of androgens were normal in both groups, the ratio of estradiol to free testosterone and the ratio of estradiol to DHEAS were significantly lower in patients than in the control group.

CONCLUSIONS:
We put up a hypothesis that in the presence of a genetic susceptibility, it is the estrogen to androgen ratio, as represented by the ratio of estradiol to free testosterone that might be responsible for triggering female pattern hair loss in women.

� I have read a little about dht and its effect on hair. What is your
� oppinion about it, does it really give women hair loss as well?
�
� Some say, it it not really a cause for female hairloss, and if it is, the
� female should have other symptoms as well, such as deepend voice, bigger
� muscles, facial hair and so on.
�
� What's the deal here?
�
� I did read however, that a read scalp is a sign of inflammation, that can
� occur when dht is destroing the follicels. (I have red, sore scalp)
� Can red scalp also be a sign of TE?
�
� Ok, this is so confusing all of this. Why in the world haven't they come
� up with a 100% cure against hair loss, now when they have all this
� knowledge?? Do I really have to become a scientist myself, just to get it
� done? It seems so close, like the answer is just around the corner.

HairSite Admin is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
---
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email: hairsite@aol.com for free consultations
=====================================
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skinnyhair

05.09.2008, 22:18

@ HairSite Admin
About dht

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So, what does it mean then, when women lose hair while on bc's? The ratio should go up on bc.

Still, the lower ratio, shouldn't that also have other androgen symptoms, not just hairloss?

� Female pattern hair loss may be triggered by low oestrogen to androgen
� ratio
� Endocr Regul. 2008 Mar;42(1):13-6
�
� OBJECTIVE:
� In both sexes the androgenetic alopecia is known to be mediated by the
� conversion of circulating androgens into dihydrotestosterone within the
� hair follicle. However, there are a number of differences between male and
� female pattern baldness with estrogen known to be protective against hair
� loss in women. Since androgen levels in women with female pattern hair loss
� are mostly within the normal range, we decided to calculate the ratio of
� estrogens to androgens in order to find a putative trigger for their hair
� loss.
�
� METHODS:
� We studied 20 premenopausal women with female pattern hair loss and 9
� healthy women for serum levels of LH, FSH, estradiol, free and total
� testosterone, sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) and
� dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate (DHEAS) on the first day of their menstrual
� cycle.
�
� RESULTS:
� Although the absolute levels of androgens were normal in both groups, the
� ratio of estradiol to free testosterone and the ratio of estradiol to DHEAS
� were significantly lower in patients than in the control group.
�
� CONCLUSIONS:
� We put up a hypothesis that in the presence of a genetic susceptibility,
� it is the estrogen to androgen ratio, as represented by the ratio of
� estradiol to free testosterone that might be responsible for triggering
� female pattern hair loss in women.
�
�
�
�
� � I have read a little about dht and its effect on hair. What is your
� � oppinion about it, does it really give women hair loss as well?
� �
� � Some say, it it not really a cause for female hairloss, and if it is,
� the
� � female should have other symptoms as well, such as deepend voice,
� bigger
� � muscles, facial hair and so on.
� �
� � What's the deal here?
� �
� � I did read however, that a read scalp is a sign of inflammation, that
� can
� � occur when dht is destroing the follicels. (I have red, sore scalp)
� � Can red scalp also be a sign of TE?
� �
� � Ok, this is so confusing all of this. Why in the world haven't they
� come
� � up with a 100% cure against hair loss, now when they have all this
� � knowledge?? Do I really have to become a scientist myself, just to get
� it
� � done? It seems so close, like the answer is just around the corner.

skinnyhair is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO

delilah

06.09.2008, 12:26

@ Sadie
About dht...btw!!

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� Ditto what i was thinking. As i have AGA which is a sensitivity to
� DHT/Androgens, then why dont i have other male features e.g. excess facial
� hair, deeper voice blah blah. I'm thinking this cos i wonder if i should
� take spiro - an anti androgen.

I definitely think you should take Spiro, it's worth a try.

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tazmepeg

07.09.2008, 11:26

@ skinnyhair
About dht...btw!!

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� BC's gave me a lions' mane back in my early 20's, now all they did for me
� was shedding my already limp tresses. I have learned that the increased
� amount of estrogens can speed up hair growth so it seems like ine is
� shedding extra for a while, but tjat it will regulate. Well, I just
� couldn't just sit there and continue with bc, so I quit. Now, I shed like
� crazy! +300 hairs a day, easy! Just a month after quitting!!!

Skinnyhair,
Did you try the same bcp that gave you a lions mane back in your 20's? Or did you go on something different? And how long did you give the bcp a try before deciding to quit? They say to give it at least 3 months and what was your shed like on it before you quit?

tazmepeg is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO

skinnyhair

09.09.2008, 15:22

@ tazmepeg
About dht...btw!!

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� tazmepeg, yes, in my early 20ies I used the exact same bc, Desogen! When I quit that, I got a crazy shed, but back then I had no clue about hairloss what so ever, I never made the connection between bc and hairloss then. I also started to get scalp acne, painful itchy pimples who seemed to contribute to hairloss.
The derm back then just looked in my head and said that I had androgenetic alpoecia and to try Rogain, this was in 1995. I almost died there on the spot!
He never said anything about hormone and TE after quitting the pill or that folliculitis in the scalp could give hairloss. He was an idiot.

Anyhow, my hairloss this spring, prior to starting the pill, was minimal, my hair felt pretty good. The hairloss started in the second week into my second month of Desogen. I only had one "period break" on the pills.

I freaked! Couldn't go on. I also had other bothersome effects, like acne in face, especially along the jawline, which I have heard is a typical sign of too much androgen hormones!!! (I usually don't have acne otherwise, in face)

My shed on it was not as bad as it is right now, but bad...from going from basically nothing, where I felt pretty darn good, to seeing long strands everywhere again. Breaks my heart... I wore my hair out in June, now it is way too flimsy and I can also see scalp peeking through! Pain in the %^& to style it every day so I dare to walk outside the door.

�
� Skinnyhair,
� Did you try the same bcp that gave you a lions mane back in your
� 20's? Or did you go on something different? And how long did you give the
� bcp a try before deciding to quit? They say to give it at least 3 months
� and what was your shed like on it before you quit?

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tazmepeg

09.09.2008, 22:44

@ skinnyhair
About dht...btw!!

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http://www.wdxcyber.com/ncontr13.htm

Skinnyhair,
Perhaps Desogen was not the correct bcp you should have been on. I was reading up on it and it does have a high progesterone in it. Sometimes certain progesterones can make the testosterone even highter. Thats what happened to me when I was using p cream. My shed almost tripled in the 5 days of using the cream. Desogen also has a higher androgenetic ratio. Maybe you should give a different pill another try. If it's more estrogen you are looking for than ovcon would be a better choice, or yasmin to lower the androgens. Currently I have long thick strong hairs falling out and acne along my chin and jawline, oily skin and hair. Im thinking about going on ovcon 35 myself. Try the link on top that should give you an idea on what type of bcp would work best for you.

tazmepeg is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO

skinnyhair

10.09.2008, 17:53

@ tazmepeg
About dht...btw!!

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� Well, after reading here, I am scared to death of bc's now! Seems like everyone is loosing their hair thanks to them, regardless of their hormonal make up. I just don't get it! I think there must be more than meets the eye when it comes to androgenic properties and hairloss in women.

One question though, any thoughts of why I seem to lose hair quitting Desogen, shouldn't the withdrawal of any weird progesterones be a good thing? Or is it just the big fluctuation in hormones that makes the hair shed? Or could it be from my surgery I had 3 months prior? It was over 2 hrs long and I was fully sedated.

Thanks!

http://www.wdxcyber.com/ncontr13.htm
�
� Skinnyhair,
� Perhaps Desogen was not the correct bcp you should have been on.
� I was reading up on it and it does have a high progesterone in it.
� Sometimes certain progesterones can make the testosterone even highter.
� Thats what happened to me when I was using p cream. My shed almost tripled
� in the 5 days of using the cream. Desogen also has a higher androgenetic
� ratio. Maybe you should give a different pill another try. If it's more
� estrogen you are looking for than ovcon would be a better choice, or yasmin
� to lower the androgens. Currently I have long thick strong hairs falling
� out and acne along my chin and jawline, oily skin and hair. Im thinking
� about going on ovcon 35 myself. Try the link on top that should give you an
� idea on what type of bcp would work best for you.

skinnyhair is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO

tazmepeg

10.09.2008, 18:34

@ skinnyhair
About dht...btw!!

Post reply

� � Well, after reading here, I am scared to death of bc's now! Seems like
� everyone is loosing their hair thanks to them, regardless of their hormonal
� make up. I just don't get it! I think there must be more than meets the
� eye when it comes to androgenic properties and hairloss in women.
�
� One question though, any thoughts of why I seem to lose hair quitting
� Desogen, shouldn't the withdrawal of any weird progesterones be a good
� thing? Or is it just the big fluctuation in hormones that makes the hair
� shed? Or could it be from my surgery I had 3 months prior? It was over 2
� hrs long and I was fully sedated.
�
� Thanks!

You only read the horror stories on hair loss forums, there has been plenty of people that have done well on Bcp for their hair loss, they just never come back and post. Only a very few do. I have been on the pcos board and read plenty of women that take them and have no problems. My endo just told me to go on a non-androgenetic progesterone bcp to lower my testosterone level. Mine is at 75 and norm should be around 30-35.
The surgery could have very well caused your te that you are going through. Surgery and anestesia put huge amounts of stress on your body. I would give the pill another try, just find a different one. My endo suggested yasmin, but yasmin has spiro in it and I had weird side effects on just the 25mg, so thats a no. My thought is to try ovcon 35. It's low on androgens and high on estradiol.
Good luck on whatever you decide!!!
�
�
�
�
�
�
�
� http://www.wdxcyber.com/ncontr13.htm
� �
� � Skinnyhair,
� � Perhaps Desogen was not the correct bcp you should have been
� on.
� � I was reading up on it and it does have a high progesterone in it.
� � Sometimes certain progesterones can make the testosterone even highter.
� � Thats what happened to me when I was using p cream. My shed almost
� tripled
� � in the 5 days of using the cream. Desogen also has a higher
� androgenetic
� � ratio. Maybe you should give a different pill another try. If it's more
� � estrogen you are looking for than ovcon would be a better choice, or
� yasmin
� � to lower the androgens. Currently I have long thick strong hairs
� falling
� � out and acne along my chin and jawline, oily skin and hair. Im thinking
� � about going on ovcon 35 myself. Try the link on top that should give you
� an
� � idea on what type of bcp would work best for you.

tazmepeg is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO

treasa

09.04.2009, 18:43

@ tazmepeg
About dht...btw!!

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what is BCs - sorry don't know what abbrevaition stands for but lion's mane is totally selling me!!

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treasa

09.04.2009, 18:49

@ treasa
About dht...btw!!

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Sorry is it Bcps??

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skinnyhair 05.09.2008, 10:18	About dht (Androgenetic Alopcia (AGA) Female Pattern) Post reply
	I have read a little about dht and its effect on hair. What is your oppinion about it, does it really give women hair loss as well? Some say, it it not really a cause for female hairloss, and if it is, the female should have other symptoms as well, such as deepend voice, bigger muscles, facial hair and so on. What's the deal here? I did read however, that a read scalp is a sign of inflammation, that can occur when dht is destroing the follicels. (I have red, sore scalp) Can red scalp also be a sign of TE? Ok, this is so confusing all of this. Why in the world haven't they come up with a 100% cure against hair loss, now when they have all this knowledge?? Do I really have to become a scientist myself, just to get it done? It seems so close, like the answer is just around the corner. skinnyhair is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
skinnyhair 05.09.2008, 12:47 @ skinnyhair	About dht...btw!! Post reply
	Anyone seen a difference in the use of emu oil? 5 mg of Biotin/day? Biotin shampoo? Emu oil shampoo? Anything else? Would it be bad to try a dht blocker, like a natural one like NuHair from Walgreens, if you DON'T lose hair because of dht? skinnyhair is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
Sadie 05.09.2008, 16:13 @ skinnyhair	About dht...btw!! Post reply
	Ditto what i was thinking. As i have AGA which is a sensitivity to DHT/Androgens, then why dont i have other male features e.g. excess facial hair, deeper voice blah blah. I'm thinking this cos i wonder if i should take spiro - an anti androgen. Sadie is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
skinnyhair 05.09.2008, 21:00 @ Sadie	About dht...btw!! Post reply
	� Ditto what i was thinking. As i have AGA which is a sensitivity to � DHT/Androgens, then why dont i have other male features e.g. excess facial � hair, deeper voice blah blah. I'm thinking this cos i wonder if i should � take spiro - an anti androgen. Hm, I wonder if it could be...that a woman doesn't have to have high(er) amounts of androgens, but even the tinyest amounts she have, can cause trouble??? So, then...killing off all androgens should help, right? But, I guess that can bring other problem. I think androgens are what gives us the drive to live (yea, right!) Anyhow, have you tried Biotin or emu oil? Any luck? BC's gave me a lions' mane back in my early 20's, now all they did for me was shedding my already limp tresses. I have learned that the increased amount of estrogens can speed up hair growth so it seems like ine is shedding extra for a while, but tjat it will regulate. Well, I just couldn't just sit there and continue with bc, so I quit. Now, I shed like crazy! +300 hairs a day, easy! Just a month after quitting!!! skinnyhair is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
HairSite Admin 05.09.2008, 21:59 @ skinnyhair	About dht Post reply
	Female pattern hair loss may be triggered by low oestrogen to androgen ratio Endocr Regul. 2008 Mar;42(1):13-6 OBJECTIVE: In both sexes the androgenetic alopecia is known to be mediated by the conversion of circulating androgens into dihydrotestosterone within the hair follicle. However, there are a number of differences between male and female pattern baldness with estrogen known to be protective against hair loss in women. Since androgen levels in women with female pattern hair loss are mostly within the normal range, we decided to calculate the ratio of estrogens to androgens in order to find a putative trigger for their hair loss. METHODS: We studied 20 premenopausal women with female pattern hair loss and 9 healthy women for serum levels of LH, FSH, estradiol, free and total testosterone, sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) and dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate (DHEAS) on the first day of their menstrual cycle. RESULTS: Although the absolute levels of androgens were normal in both groups, the ratio of estradiol to free testosterone and the ratio of estradiol to DHEAS were significantly lower in patients than in the control group. CONCLUSIONS: We put up a hypothesis that in the presence of a genetic susceptibility, it is the estrogen to androgen ratio, as represented by the ratio of estradiol to free testosterone that might be responsible for triggering female pattern hair loss in women. � I have read a little about dht and its effect on hair. What is your � oppinion about it, does it really give women hair loss as well? � � Some say, it it not really a cause for female hairloss, and if it is, the � female should have other symptoms as well, such as deepend voice, bigger � muscles, facial hair and so on. � � What's the deal here? � � I did read however, that a read scalp is a sign of inflammation, that can � occur when dht is destroing the follicels. (I have red, sore scalp) � Can red scalp also be a sign of TE? � � Ok, this is so confusing all of this. Why in the world haven't they come � up with a 100% cure against hair loss, now when they have all this � knowledge?? Do I really have to become a scientist myself, just to get it � done? It seems so close, like the answer is just around the corner. HairSite Admin is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- I offer research assistance for HairSite. email: hairsite@aol.com for free consultations ===================================== reminder: 1. FREE Hair Replacement System Worldwide
skinnyhair 05.09.2008, 22:18 @ HairSite Admin	About dht Post reply
	So, what does it mean then, when women lose hair while on bc's? The ratio should go up on bc. Still, the lower ratio, shouldn't that also have other androgen symptoms, not just hairloss? � Female pattern hair loss may be triggered by low oestrogen to androgen � ratio � Endocr Regul. 2008 Mar;42(1):13-6 � � OBJECTIVE: � In both sexes the androgenetic alopecia is known to be mediated by the � conversion of circulating androgens into dihydrotestosterone within the � hair follicle. However, there are a number of differences between male and � female pattern baldness with estrogen known to be protective against hair � loss in women. Since androgen levels in women with female pattern hair loss � are mostly within the normal range, we decided to calculate the ratio of � estrogens to androgens in order to find a putative trigger for their hair � loss. � � METHODS: � We studied 20 premenopausal women with female pattern hair loss and 9 � healthy women for serum levels of LH, FSH, estradiol, free and total � testosterone, sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) and � dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate (DHEAS) on the first day of their menstrual � cycle. � � RESULTS: � Although the absolute levels of androgens were normal in both groups, the � ratio of estradiol to free testosterone and the ratio of estradiol to DHEAS � were significantly lower in patients than in the control group. � � CONCLUSIONS: � We put up a hypothesis that in the presence of a genetic susceptibility, � it is the estrogen to androgen ratio, as represented by the ratio of � estradiol to free testosterone that might be responsible for triggering � female pattern hair loss in women. � � � � � � I have read a little about dht and its effect on hair. What is your � � oppinion about it, does it really give women hair loss as well? � � � � Some say, it it not really a cause for female hairloss, and if it is, � the � � female should have other symptoms as well, such as deepend voice, � bigger � � muscles, facial hair and so on. � � � � What's the deal here? � � � � I did read however, that a read scalp is a sign of inflammation, that � can � � occur when dht is destroing the follicels. (I have red, sore scalp) � � Can red scalp also be a sign of TE? � � � � Ok, this is so confusing all of this. Why in the world haven't they � come � � up with a 100% cure against hair loss, now when they have all this � � knowledge?? Do I really have to become a scientist myself, just to get � it � � done? It seems so close, like the answer is just around the corner. skinnyhair is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
delilah 06.09.2008, 12:26 @ Sadie	About dht...btw!! Post reply
	� Ditto what i was thinking. As i have AGA which is a sensitivity to � DHT/Androgens, then why dont i have other male features e.g. excess facial � hair, deeper voice blah blah. I'm thinking this cos i wonder if i should � take spiro - an anti androgen. I definitely think you should take Spiro, it's worth a try. delilah is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
tazmepeg 07.09.2008, 11:26 @ skinnyhair	About dht...btw!! Post reply
	� BC's gave me a lions' mane back in my early 20's, now all they did for me � was shedding my already limp tresses. I have learned that the increased � amount of estrogens can speed up hair growth so it seems like ine is � shedding extra for a while, but tjat it will regulate. Well, I just � couldn't just sit there and continue with bc, so I quit. Now, I shed like � crazy! +300 hairs a day, easy! Just a month after quitting!!! Skinnyhair, Did you try the same bcp that gave you a lions mane back in your 20's? Or did you go on something different? And how long did you give the bcp a try before deciding to quit? They say to give it at least 3 months and what was your shed like on it before you quit? tazmepeg is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
skinnyhair 09.09.2008, 15:22 @ tazmepeg	About dht...btw!! Post reply
	� tazmepeg, yes, in my early 20ies I used the exact same bc, Desogen! When I quit that, I got a crazy shed, but back then I had no clue about hairloss what so ever, I never made the connection between bc and hairloss then. I also started to get scalp acne, painful itchy pimples who seemed to contribute to hairloss. The derm back then just looked in my head and said that I had androgenetic alpoecia and to try Rogain, this was in 1995. I almost died there on the spot! He never said anything about hormone and TE after quitting the pill or that folliculitis in the scalp could give hairloss. He was an idiot. Anyhow, my hairloss this spring, prior to starting the pill, was minimal, my hair felt pretty good. The hairloss started in the second week into my second month of Desogen. I only had one "period break" on the pills. I freaked! Couldn't go on. I also had other bothersome effects, like acne in face, especially along the jawline, which I have heard is a typical sign of too much androgen hormones!!! (I usually don't have acne otherwise, in face) My shed on it was not as bad as it is right now, but bad...from going from basically nothing, where I felt pretty darn good, to seeing long strands everywhere again. Breaks my heart... I wore my hair out in June, now it is way too flimsy and I can also see scalp peeking through! Pain in the %^& to style it every day so I dare to walk outside the door. � � Skinnyhair, � Did you try the same bcp that gave you a lions mane back in your � 20's? Or did you go on something different? And how long did you give the � bcp a try before deciding to quit? They say to give it at least 3 months � and what was your shed like on it before you quit? skinnyhair is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
tazmepeg 09.09.2008, 22:44 @ skinnyhair	About dht...btw!! Post reply
	http://www.wdxcyber.com/ncontr13.htm Skinnyhair, Perhaps Desogen was not the correct bcp you should have been on. I was reading up on it and it does have a high progesterone in it. Sometimes certain progesterones can make the testosterone even highter. Thats what happened to me when I was using p cream. My shed almost tripled in the 5 days of using the cream. Desogen also has a higher androgenetic ratio. Maybe you should give a different pill another try. If it's more estrogen you are looking for than ovcon would be a better choice, or yasmin to lower the androgens. Currently I have long thick strong hairs falling out and acne along my chin and jawline, oily skin and hair. Im thinking about going on ovcon 35 myself. Try the link on top that should give you an idea on what type of bcp would work best for you. tazmepeg is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
skinnyhair 10.09.2008, 17:53 @ tazmepeg	About dht...btw!! Post reply
	� Well, after reading here, I am scared to death of bc's now! Seems like everyone is loosing their hair thanks to them, regardless of their hormonal make up. I just don't get it! I think there must be more than meets the eye when it comes to androgenic properties and hairloss in women. One question though, any thoughts of why I seem to lose hair quitting Desogen, shouldn't the withdrawal of any weird progesterones be a good thing? Or is it just the big fluctuation in hormones that makes the hair shed? Or could it be from my surgery I had 3 months prior? It was over 2 hrs long and I was fully sedated. Thanks! http://www.wdxcyber.com/ncontr13.htm � � Skinnyhair, � Perhaps Desogen was not the correct bcp you should have been on. � I was reading up on it and it does have a high progesterone in it. � Sometimes certain progesterones can make the testosterone even highter. � Thats what happened to me when I was using p cream. My shed almost tripled � in the 5 days of using the cream. Desogen also has a higher androgenetic � ratio. Maybe you should give a different pill another try. If it's more � estrogen you are looking for than ovcon would be a better choice, or yasmin � to lower the androgens. Currently I have long thick strong hairs falling � out and acne along my chin and jawline, oily skin and hair. Im thinking � about going on ovcon 35 myself. Try the link on top that should give you an � idea on what type of bcp would work best for you. skinnyhair is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
tazmepeg 10.09.2008, 18:34 @ skinnyhair	About dht...btw!! Post reply
	� � Well, after reading here, I am scared to death of bc's now! Seems like � everyone is loosing their hair thanks to them, regardless of their hormonal � make up. I just don't get it! I think there must be more than meets the � eye when it comes to androgenic properties and hairloss in women. � � One question though, any thoughts of why I seem to lose hair quitting � Desogen, shouldn't the withdrawal of any weird progesterones be a good � thing? Or is it just the big fluctuation in hormones that makes the hair � shed? Or could it be from my surgery I had 3 months prior? It was over 2 � hrs long and I was fully sedated. � � Thanks! You only read the horror stories on hair loss forums, there has been plenty of people that have done well on Bcp for their hair loss, they just never come back and post. Only a very few do. I have been on the pcos board and read plenty of women that take them and have no problems. My endo just told me to go on a non-androgenetic progesterone bcp to lower my testosterone level. Mine is at 75 and norm should be around 30-35. The surgery could have very well caused your te that you are going through. Surgery and anestesia put huge amounts of stress on your body. I would give the pill another try, just find a different one. My endo suggested yasmin, but yasmin has spiro in it and I had weird side effects on just the 25mg, so thats a no. My thought is to try ovcon 35. It's low on androgens and high on estradiol. Good luck on whatever you decide!!! � � � � � � � � http://www.wdxcyber.com/ncontr13.htm � � � � Skinnyhair, � � Perhaps Desogen was not the correct bcp you should have been � on. � � I was reading up on it and it does have a high progesterone in it. � � Sometimes certain progesterones can make the testosterone even highter. � � Thats what happened to me when I was using p cream. My shed almost � tripled � � in the 5 days of using the cream. Desogen also has a higher � androgenetic � � ratio. Maybe you should give a different pill another try. If it's more � � estrogen you are looking for than ovcon would be a better choice, or � yasmin � � to lower the androgens. Currently I have long thick strong hairs � falling � � out and acne along my chin and jawline, oily skin and hair. Im thinking � � about going on ovcon 35 myself. Try the link on top that should give you � an � � idea on what type of bcp would work best for you. tazmepeg is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
treasa 09.04.2009, 18:43 @ tazmepeg	About dht...btw!! Post reply
	what is BCs - sorry don't know what abbrevaition stands for but lion's mane is totally selling me!! treasa is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: YES
treasa 09.04.2009, 18:49 @ treasa	About dht...btw!! Post reply
	Sorry is it Bcps?? treasa is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: YES

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