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Natalie

24.08.2006, 03:07
 

Androcur is really helping me (Propecia, Finasteride for Women)

Hi all, I wanted to post about this medication, because it has really helped me and I know how bad hair loss can make you feel, so if there is a possibility it could help anyone else, I wanted to let you know about my experience.

My hair loss started two years ago now, three months into taking BCP for the first time (Yasmin), when I was 25, after a year of hair loss, I stopped taking Yasmin, but my hair loss continued, I went to every doctor possible and tried a thousand things for hair loss, I have been told I have cysts on my ovaries, PCOS, I don’t have any other symptoms only the hair loss, in a recent blood test one of my hormones tested a bit too high, all the other tests I’d had before, had come back okay. My gynaecologist recommended Diana and Androcur, but I refused to take BCP again. Anyway I have been using Androcur only for three months now and for the fist time in two years, I am starting to feel normal again, my hair loss is down to 20 a day and my hair is a lot stronger than it used to be.

I am not sure it is available in the USA, but it is in Europe and maybe it’s not a miracle cure for everyone, but in my case and for the moment it is really helping


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Itchyhead

24.08.2006, 08:10

@ Natalie

Androcur is really helping me

I have heard of Androcour. Is it the same ingred in Diane35? I am on Yasmin. I ordered some Diane35 but was reluctant but now if the yasmin does not work i'll go with the diane, can you tell me more about androcour and whatkind of hair loss do you have?

SS

» Hi all, I wanted to post about this medication, because it has really
» helped me and I know how bad hair loss can make you feel, so if there is a
» possibility it could help anyone else, I wanted to let you know about my
» experience.
»
» My hair loss started two years ago now, three months into taking BCP for
» the first time (Yasmin), when I was 25, after a year of hair loss, I
» stopped taking Yasmin, but my hair loss continued, I went to every doctor
» possible and tried a thousand things for hair loss, I have been told I
» have cysts on my ovaries, PCOS, I don’t have any other symptoms only the
» hair loss, in a recent blood test one of my hormones tested a bit too
» high, all the other tests I’d had before, had come back okay. My
» gynaecologist recommended Diana and Androcur, but I refused to take BCP
» again. Anyway I have been using Androcur only for three months now and for
» the fist time in two years, I am starting to feel normal again, my hair
» loss is down to 20 a day and my hair is a lot stronger than it used to
» be.
»
» I am not sure it is available in the USA, but it is in Europe and maybe
» it’s not a miracle cure for everyone, but in my case and for the moment it
» is really helping


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Catou

E-mail

Montreal,
24.08.2006, 11:30

@ Itchyhead

Androcur is really helping me

Diane contains 2mg of Androcur (Cyproterone). Only taking Diane will probably not do anything for your hair if Yasmin didn't. The 2mg of Cyproterone is not enough to make a difference in hair loss if it is androgen dependent. Typically a minimum initial dose of 25mg is required. However, you can always try, every women is different.

Catou

» I have heard of Androcour. Is it the same ingred in Diane35? I am on
» Yasmin. I ordered some Diane35 but was reluctant but now if the yasmin
» does not work i'll go with the diane, can you tell me more about androcour
» and whatkind of hair loss do you have?
»
» SS
»
» » Hi all, I wanted to post about this medication, because it has really
» » helped me and I know how bad hair loss can make you feel, so if there is
» a
» » possibility it could help anyone else, I wanted to let you know about
» my
» » experience.
» »
» » My hair loss started two years ago now, three months into taking BCP
» for
» » the first time (Yasmin), when I was 25, after a year of hair loss, I
» » stopped taking Yasmin, but my hair loss continued, I went to every
» doctor
» » possible and tried a thousand things for hair loss, I have been told I
» » have cysts on my ovaries, PCOS, I don’t have any other symptoms only
» the
» » hair loss, in a recent blood test one of my hormones tested a bit too
» » high, all the other tests I’d had before, had come back okay. My
» » gynaecologist recommended Diana and Androcur, but I refused to take BCP
» » again. Anyway I have been using Androcur only for three months now and
» for
» » the fist time in two years, I am starting to feel normal again, my hair
» » loss is down to 20 a day and my hair is a lot stronger than it used to
» » be.
» »
» » I am not sure it is available in the USA, but it is in Europe and maybe
» » it’s not a miracle cure for everyone, but in my case and for the moment
» it
» » is really helping


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Fashiongal

California,
30.08.2006, 01:56

@ Catou

Androcur is really helping me

What is your dosage on Androcur? And how does cyproterone acetate compare with Spiro in terms of efficacy and side effects? Yasmin is supposed to have a substance akin to about 25 mg of Spiro, I read somewhere.


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Catou

E-mail

Montreal,
30.08.2006, 07:15

@ Fashiongal

Androcur is really helping me

I cannot comment on Yasmin as I do not know, other than the fact that it is non androgenic. As for my dosage of Androcur, it was at 25mg, but I started at 75mg. After about 1 month I tuned down to the minimum effective dose since Cyproterone has an accumulation factor of about 3 in the body. Androcur is a very powerful antiandrogen, about twice as strong as Spiro, which is why it is typically taken in half doses compared to Spiro. As for the side effects, because it is such an efficient antiandrogen, all the typical side effects of testosterone deprevation apply. A comprehensive list can be found at http://www.healthtouch.com/bin/EContent_HT/drugShowLfts.asp?fname=usp0756.htm&title=Androcur&cid=HT

Catou

» What is your dosage on Androcur? And how does cyproterone acetate compare
» with Spiro in terms of efficacy and side effects? Yasmin is supposed to
» have a substance akin to about 25 mg of Spiro, I read somewhere.


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Bea

04.09.2006, 07:50

@ Catou

Androcur is really helping me

Hi all, I'am on 5 mg androcur daily,and I feel good. I think the dose depends on whether you have high androgens - then you would need the large doses like 25 mg or so. If you are just sensible to androgens with normal or lower androgens, then a smaller dose might be enough. My doctor started me on 2,5 mg three times a week which made me bleed on the days without, the we upped to 2,5 mg daily, then to my actual 5 mg - normal hairloss and quite a bit of regrowth and less oil on my skin and scalp, as a side effect my eyes are dry. I also use estrogen and minoxidil.
Best Bea


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t

04.09.2006, 07:58

@ Bea

Androcur is really helping me

Can someone tell me what androcur is?


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bea

12.09.2006, 11:20

@ t

Androcur is really helping me

» Can someone tell me what androcur is? It's an antiandrogen and progestin, same as in Diane BCP


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Shane

17.09.2006, 20:24

@ Catou

Androcur is really helping me

How can we get androcur in the US?








I cannot comment on Yasmin as I do not know, other than the fact that it is
» non androgenic. As for my dosage of Androcur, it was at 25mg, but I started
» at 75mg. After about 1 month I tuned down to the minimum effective dose
» since Cyproterone has an accumulation factor of about 3 in the body.
» Androcur is a very powerful antiandrogen, about twice as strong as Spiro,
» which is why it is typically taken in half doses compared to Spiro. As for
» the side effects, because it is such an efficient antiandrogen, all the
» typical side effects of testosterone deprevation apply. A comprehensive
» list can be found at
» http://www.healthtouch.com/bin/EContent_HT/drugShowLfts.asp?fname=usp0756.htm&title=Androcur&cid=HT
»
» Catou
»
» » What is your dosage on Androcur? And how does cyproterone acetate
» compare
» » with Spiro in terms of efficacy and side effects? Yasmin is supposed
» to
» » have a substance akin to about 25 mg of Spiro, I read somewhere.


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Idesign50

E-mail

21.09.2006, 07:37

@ bea

Androcur is really helping me

Can someone tell me what kind of doctors perscribes this med and how it compares to proscar?? Also, when you say hight androgens, just what blood tests do they do to find out where your androgens are at? Thanks ladies.


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Dorinha

21.09.2006, 10:46

@ Shane

Androcur is really helping me

Hi Shane. Androcur (aka cyproterone acetate) is available in Canada. Dr F tells me that he sends some of his patients up here to get their scripts filled. I suspect if you were to get a prescription, you could try to get it filled by an online Canadian pharmacy. Although I don't know if there would be trouble at the border?

Dr F feels it is slightly superior to Spiro, however I haven't seen any articles or studies showing it to be that much more effective.



How can we get androcur in the US?
»
»
»
»
»
»
»
»
» I cannot comment on Yasmin as I do not know, other than the fact that it
» is
» » non androgenic. As for my dosage of Androcur, it was at 25mg, but I
» started
» » at 75mg. After about 1 month I tuned down to the minimum effective dose
» » since Cyproterone has an accumulation factor of about 3 in the body.
» » Androcur is a very powerful antiandrogen, about twice as strong as
» Spiro,
» » which is why it is typically taken in half doses compared to Spiro. As
» for
» » the side effects, because it is such an efficient antiandrogen, all the
» » typical side effects of testosterone deprevation apply. A comprehensive
» » list can be found at
» »
» http://www.healthtouch.com/bin/EContent_HT/drugShowLfts.asp?fname=usp0756.htm&title=Androcur&cid=HT
» »
» » Catou
» »
» » » What is your dosage on Androcur? And how does cyproterone acetate
» » compare
» » » with Spiro in terms of efficacy and side effects? Yasmin is supposed
» » to
» » » have a substance akin to about 25 mg of Spiro, I read somewhere.


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Dorinha

21.09.2006, 10:59

@ Idesign50

Androcur is really helping me

Hi there. I would think any doctor CAN prescribe it, but you'd want someone like an endo (who is familiar with the drug) I think.

Androcur acts to reduce the amount of T produced by the body, and also protects the androgen receptors from T/DHT. Similar to what Spiro does, but the 'how' is a little different.

What finasteride (Proscar/Propecia) does is to suppress the activity of 5 alpha reductase, the enzyme that converts T to DHT. It has been shown to have mildly increasing effects on T and E at the same time.

Having said all that, its my opinion that finasteride would cause less systemic side-effects in women than Spiro or CPA. I am currently on Spiro and will be starting the finasteride in the next week or so. I'll be sure to report on my progress as I know there isn't much info out there on women and finasteride.





Androgens are the non-female hormones, so they could check DHEA, DHEA-S, T, Free T, Androstenedione, Androstenediol, DHT etc.


Can someone tell me what kind of doctors perscribes this med and how it
» compares to proscar?? Also, when you say hight androgens, just what blood
» tests do they do to find out where your androgens are at? Thanks ladies.


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Shane

22.09.2006, 07:21

@ Dorinha

Androcur is really helping me

Hi-

Are there more risks associated with it?

Shane


» Hi Shane. Androcur (aka cyproterone acetate) is available in Canada. Dr F
» tells me that he sends some of his patients up here to get their scripts
» filled. I suspect if you were to get a prescription, you could try to get
» it filled by an online Canadian pharmacy. Although I don't know if there
» would be trouble at the border?
»
» Dr F feels it is slightly superior to Spiro, however I haven't seen any
» articles or studies showing it to be that much more effective.
»
»
»
» How can we get androcur in the US?
» »
» »
» »
» »
» »
» »
» »
» »
» » I cannot comment on Yasmin as I do not know, other than the fact that
» it
» » is
» » » non androgenic. As for my dosage of Androcur, it was at 25mg, but I
» » started
» » » at 75mg. After about 1 month I tuned down to the minimum effective
» dose
» » » since Cyproterone has an accumulation factor of about 3 in the body.
» » » Androcur is a very powerful antiandrogen, about twice as strong as
» » Spiro,
» » » which is why it is typically taken in half doses compared to Spiro.
» As
» » for
» » » the side effects, because it is such an efficient antiandrogen, all
» the
» » » typical side effects of testosterone deprevation apply. A
» comprehensive
» » » list can be found at
» » »
» »
» http://www.healthtouch.com/bin/EContent_HT/drugShowLfts.asp?fname=usp0756.htm&title=Androcur&cid=HT
» » »
» » » Catou
» » »
» » » » What is your dosage on Androcur? And how does cyproterone acetate
» » » compare
» » » » with Spiro in terms of efficacy and side effects? Yasmin is
» supposed
» » » to
» » » » have a substance akin to about 25 mg of Spiro, I read somewhere.


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Rae

11.10.2006, 09:19

@ Natalie

TO NATALIE

» Hi all, I wanted to post about this medication, because it has really
» helped me and I know how bad hair loss can make you feel, so if there is a
» possibility it could help anyone else, I wanted to let you know about my
» experience.
»
» My hair loss started two years ago now, three months into taking BCP for
» the first time (Yasmin), when I was 25, after a year of hair loss, I
» stopped taking Yasmin, but my hair loss continued, I went to every doctor
» possible and tried a thousand things for hair loss, I have been told I
» have cysts on my ovaries, PCOS, I don’t have any other symptoms only the
» hair loss, in a recent blood test one of my hormones tested a bit too
» high, all the other tests I’d had before, had come back okay. My
» gynaecologist recommended Diana and Androcur, but I refused to take BCP
» again. Anyway I have been using Androcur only for three months now and for
» the fist time in two years, I am starting to feel normal again, my hair
» loss is down to 20 a day and my hair is a lot stronger than it used to
» be.
»
» I am not sure it is available in the USA, but it is in Europe and maybe
» it’s not a miracle cure for everyone, but in my case and for the moment it
» is really helping

Hi Natalie....I read your post and I'm in the same predicament. I have PCOS with no other physical signs of the syndrome besides the cysts on my ovaries. My hair shed is up the the hundreds and I have (so far) sworn off of BCPs. How did you obtain Androcur? Doctor prescribed it to you while in Europe? I am very interested. I am losing too much hair...The hair loss is causing me to lose my head. Help!
-Rae


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salis

18.10.2006, 11:39

@ Rae

TO NATALIE , sorry.......another question

» » Hi all, I wanted to post about this medication, because it has really
» » helped me and I know how bad hair loss can make you feel, so if there is
» a
» » possibility it could help anyone else, I wanted to let you know about
» my
» » experience.
» »
» » My hair loss started two years ago now, three months into taking BCP
» for
» » the first time (Yasmin), when I was 25, after a year of hair loss, I
» » stopped taking Yasmin, but my hair loss continued, I went to every
» doctor
» » possible and tried a thousand things for hair loss, I have been told I
» » have cysts on my ovaries, PCOS, I don’t have any other symptoms only
» the
» » hair loss, in a recent blood test one of my hormones tested a bit too
» » high, all the other tests I’d had before, had come back okay. My
» » gynaecologist recommended Diana and Androcur, but I refused to take BCP
» » again. Anyway I have been using Androcur only for three months now and
» for
» » the fist time in two years, I am starting to feel normal again, my hair
» » loss is down to 20 a day and my hair is a lot stronger than it used to
» » be.
» »
» » I am not sure it is available in the USA, but it is in Europe and maybe
» » it’s not a miracle cure for everyone, but in my case and for the moment
» it
» » is really helping
»
» Hi Natalie....I read your post and I'm in the same predicament. I have
» PCOS with no other physical signs of the syndrome besides the cysts on my
» ovaries. My hair shed is up the the hundreds and I have (so far) sworn off
» of BCPs. How did you obtain Androcur? Doctor prescribed it to you while in
» Europe? I am very interested. I am losing too much hair...The hair loss is
» causing me to lose my head. Help!
» -Rae

Hi Natalie...................
I've been losing for the same amout of time as you. Can i just ask about the pattern of hair loss and has your hair actually also thinned. Also how long have you been taking CA, how much are you taking and when did you start seeing the effects. Was your shedding really high before going onto CA? Also which one of your hormones tested high ? Was it testosterone and did you know your level before going onto CA? sorry about all the questions its just helpful to hear other peoples experiences. I was also told to take diane but just thought id be better off sticking to CA. I took a quarter of a 50mg tablet for 10 days of my first month with aim of increasing in the second. I have no diagnosis of PCOS and as most has been diagnosed with CTE, AGA, bla bla bla
thanks natalie

salis


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Natalie

25.10.2006, 03:23

@ salis

TO NATALIE , sorry.......another question

» » » Hi all, I wanted to post about this medication, because it has really
» » » helped me and I know how bad hair loss can make you feel, so if there
» is
» » a
» » » possibility it could help anyone else, I wanted to let you know about
» » my
» » » experience.
» » »
» » » My hair loss started two years ago now, three months into taking BCP
» » for
» » » the first time (Yasmin), when I was 25, after a year of hair loss, I
» » » stopped taking Yasmin, but my hair loss continued, I went to every
» » doctor
» » » possible and tried a thousand things for hair loss, I have been told
» I
» » » have cysts on my ovaries, PCOS, I don’t have any other symptoms only
» » the
» » » hair loss, in a recent blood test one of my hormones tested a bit too
» » » high, all the other tests I’d had before, had come back okay. My
» » » gynaecologist recommended Diana and Androcur, but I refused to take
» BCP
» » » again. Anyway I have been using Androcur only for three months now
» and
» » for
» » » the fist time in two years, I am starting to feel normal again, my
» hair
» » » loss is down to 20 a day and my hair is a lot stronger than it used
» to
» » » be.
» » »
» » » I am not sure it is available in the USA, but it is in Europe and
» maybe
» » » it’s not a miracle cure for everyone, but in my case and for the
» moment
» » it
» » » is really helping
» »
» » Hi Natalie....I read your post and I'm in the same predicament. I have
» » PCOS with no other physical signs of the syndrome besides the cysts on
» my
» » ovaries. My hair shed is up the the hundreds and I have (so far) sworn
» off
» » of BCPs. How did you obtain Androcur? Doctor prescribed it to you while
» in
» » Europe? I am very interested. I am losing too much hair...The hair loss
» is
» » causing me to lose my head. Help!
» » -Rae
»
» Hi Natalie...................
» I've been losing for the same amout of time as you. Can i just ask about
» the pattern of hair loss and has your hair actually also thinned. Also how
» long have you been taking CA, how much are you taking and when did you
» start seeing the effects. Was your shedding really high before going onto
» CA? Also which one of your hormones tested high ? Was it testosterone and
» did you know your level before going onto CA? sorry about all the
» questions its just helpful to hear other peoples experiences. I was also
» told to take diane but just thought id be better off sticking to CA. I
» took a quarter of a 50mg tablet for 10 days of my first month with aim of
» increasing in the second. I have no diagnosis of PCOS and as most has been
» diagnosed with CTE, AGA, bla bla bla
» thanks natalie
»
» salis


Hi, I only just seen these posts, I dont have time now, but I will reply tonight.

Natalie


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Natalie

25.10.2006, 10:59

@ Natalie

TO NATALIE , sorry.......another question

» » »
» » » Hi Natalie....I read your post and I'm in the same predicament. I
» have
» » » PCOS with no other physical signs of the syndrome besides the cysts
» on
» » my
» » » ovaries. My hair shed is up the the hundreds and I have (so far)
» sworn
» » off
» » » of BCPs. How did you obtain Androcur? Doctor prescribed it to you
» while
» » in
» » » Europe? I am very interested. I am losing too much hair...The hair
» loss
» » is
» » » causing me to lose my head. Help!
» » » -Rae
» »
» » Hi Natalie...................
» » I've been losing for the same amout of time as you. Can i just ask
» about
» » the pattern of hair loss and has your hair actually also thinned. Also
» how
» » long have you been taking CA, how much are you taking and when did you
» » start seeing the effects. Was your shedding really high before going
» onto
» » CA? Also which one of your hormones tested high ? Was it testosterone
» and
» » did you know your level before going onto CA? sorry about all the
» » questions its just helpful to hear other peoples experiences. I was
» also
» » told to take diane but just thought id be better off sticking to CA. I
» » took a quarter of a 50mg tablet for 10 days of my first month with aim
» of
» » increasing in the second. I have no diagnosis of PCOS and as most has
» been
» » diagnosed with CTE, AGA, bla bla bla
» » thanks natalie
» »
» » salis
»
»
» Hi, I only just seen these posts, I dont have time now, but I will reply
» tonight.
»
» Natalie


Hello, I hope I answer all your questions, if not, ask again, I really don’t mind answering. The hormone that tested high for me, was….(sorry in Spanish, as I live over here, although I am English) Delta 4 Andro Basal. I am taking 2 pills on the first 10 days of my period, 50 mg each one. My hair loss was all over my scalp, even on the nape on my neck; I was losing say……70-100 hairs a day and almost immediately noticed the difference once taking Androcur, maybe one month later. I now lose 10-20 hairs a day, bad days 30. To me my hair has thinned a lot over these two years, but nobody else seems to notice, I really think that is because nobody really looks as close as we tend to think. My gynaecologist gave me the prescription. Also I wanted to comment that I have been taking antidepressants for 6 months now, because my hair loss took me to the point where I had to take them, either that or stay a home all day and cry, I have not seen any affect with the antidepressants and hair loss at all.

Love to all Natalie


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hopefulwaterfall

14.05.2008, 16:50

@ Natalie

HIGH DHEAS & HAIR LOSS

Hi,

Could you tell me which one of your hormones was a bit high? My DHEAS is high (419) and I also experience hair loss. My hair strands are thinning all over my scalp! Could the high DHEAS have caused this and why is the DHEAS so high?

How are you being treated with your hair loss? Thanks.

Alynna

Hi all, I wanted to post about this medication, because it has really
» helped me and I know how bad hair loss can make you feel, so if there is a
» possibility it could help anyone else, I wanted to let you know about my
» experience.
»
» My hair loss started two years ago now, three months into taking BCP for
» the first time (Yasmin), when I was 25, after a year of hair loss, I
» stopped taking Yasmin, but my hair loss continued, I went to every doctor
» possible and tried a thousand things for hair loss, I have been told I have
» cysts on my ovaries, PCOS, I don’t have any other symptoms only the hair
» loss, in a recent blood test one of my hormones tested a bit too high, all
» the other tests I’d had before, had come back okay. My gynaecologist
» recommended Diana and Androcur, but I refused to take BCP again. Anyway I
» have been using Androcur only for three months now and for the fist time in
» two years, I am starting to feel normal again, my hair loss is down to 20 a
» day and my hair is a lot stronger than it used to be.
»
» I am not sure it is available in the USA, but it is in Europe and maybe
» it’s not a miracle cure for everyone, but in my case and for the moment it
» is really helping


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hopefulwaterfall

14.05.2008, 16:58

@ salis

To Salis about Hair Loss

I found you online while researching on hair loss. I'm a 24 year old female and my DHEAS level is (419) mildly elevated. My hair strands from all over my scalp are thinner and weaker than before but I just don't know what causes this to happen. Is my case similar to yours? What did your doctor say and how did your doctor treat your hair loss? Has your hair loss improved? Are the strands of your hair thicker and stronger with medication?

I feel so frustrated and hopeless. I am taking antidepressants bc I am very depressed about my hair loss.

Hope to hear back from you.

Alynna


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hopefulwaterfall

14.05.2008, 17:02

@ Bea

Androcur is really helping me

I found you online while researching on hair loss. I'm a 24 year old female and my DHEAS level is (419) mildly elevated. My hair strands from all over my scalp are thinner and weaker than before but I just don't know what causes this to happen. Is my case similar to yours? What caused your hair loss and how does your medication treat hair loss? Are the strands of your hair thicker and stronger with medication? Are the new hair stronger and thicker?

I feel so frustrated and hopeless. I am taking antidepressants bc I am very depressed about my hair loss.

Hope to hear back from you.

Alynna


Hi all, I'am on 5 mg androcur daily,and I feel good. I think the dose
» depends on whether you have high androgens - then you would need the large
» doses like 25 mg or so. If you are just sensible to androgens with normal
» or lower androgens, then a smaller dose might be enough. My doctor started
» me on 2,5 mg three times a week which made me bleed on the days without,
» the we upped to 2,5 mg daily, then to my actual 5 mg - normal hairloss and
» quite a bit of regrowth and less oil on my skin and scalp, as a side effect
» my eyes are dry. I also use estrogen and minoxidil.
» Best Bea


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