Hair Multiplication Research by Dr. Gho

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Dr. Gho's Hair Multiplication Procedures
Excerpts from Forum # 1 & # 2
The following are posts regarding
CORRESPONDENCE WITH DR. GHO AND RELATED PARTIES

SUMMARY FROM FORUM # 1
(Summary from Forum # 2 appended to the end of Summary from Forum # 1)

DIRECTLY FROM DR. GHO
Hair Multiplication Procedures

From: Coen Gho, M.D.
Date: 13 Jul 1999
Time: 03:45:28
Remote Name: vp189-201.edited.nl

Comments

Dear interested people,

Referring to all the comments, questions and phone calls I received every day about the multiplication of hairs, I hereby will to give MY comment on the new procedure we call "HAIRMULTIPLICATION". Yes, we discovered a new method which no longer spills any donor-area, but at this moment we are still in the experimental phase and want to do more research to improve the method and hairs don't grow overnight, you know?!?! We hope to have a final and practical protocol, which can be used by other physicians within a few years. SO, I URGE YOU NOT TO CONTACT US THIS YEAR, BECAUSE WE PREFER TO DO THE RESEARCH STUDIES IN AN NON-STRESSFULL AND QUIET ENVIRONMENT. IT IS ALL FOR THE BEST INTEREST, BECAUSE IN THIS WAY WE CAN IMPROVE THE METHOD AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. I WILL KEEP YOU INFORMED ABOUT THE METHOD AND RESULTS.

Greetings from a sunny Netherlands,

Coen Gho, M.D.

Re: Hair Multiplication Procedures

From:
Date: 14 Jul 1999
Time: 19:58:11
Remote Name: ras67-39.pm4.nyc.redconnect.net

Comments

If this is really you, then why were you telling us that you expect to sell the rights in 8 months? You think that's fair to thousands and thousands of people who were very optimistic about this then squash them like a bug knowing that now they have to go through this instead of months now years?

Re: Hair Multiplication Procedures

From: Coen Gho, M.D.
Date: 19 Jul 1999
Time: 05:06:24
Remote Name: vp189-242.edited.nl

Comments

If you are a little bit informed, selling the rights is totally different than the practical implementation of the method. If there are possibilities to improve the method in such way that the treatment would be more comfortable and the results will be better, and therefore cheaper for the patient, we prefer of course to do a little bit more studies than re-educate the practitioners every month. I hope this kind of replies are not representative for the visitors of this site, because these replies will not help and stimulate us to do the best we can.

Contact the clinic for the new millenium

From: Pavlo
Date: 31 Dec 1999
Time: 00:32:29
Remote Name: 213.8.6.170

Comments

Hi Yesterday i have called Gho clinic . The woman on the phone told me immediately she cannot give me info on the phone but i told her i just want to wish all the members in the clinic happy new year and success in their research and i told her i hope that the year 2000 will be the year of the hair. She asked me if i have sent e-mails to the clinic because i have sent e-mails to the clinic with the term "the year of the hair" and she probably identified them.She told me that they have read my e-mails

and they understand us and they will make every effort to get this procedure as fast as they can Bye

Re: Contacted Will Gerritsen

From: Pavlo
Date: 03 Jan 2000
Time: 07:20:36
Remote Name: netcache2.mot.com

Comments

Hi I have just spoken to Mr. Will Gerritsen (the reporter who wrote the first article about hair cloning ) he spoke today with Gho and Gho told him that he doesn't want to give an update now because he is very busy in checking his procedure and TRAINING PERSONAL Gho doesnt want to give premature information cause he is afraid of the amount of phone calls he will get he prefer to give an update when he is close to the finish of his research and he told gerritsen that they wil meet on summer 2000 in about 5-6 months .If Gho told such kind of thing it may be ready at this time.I have E-mailed gerritsen in order to be sure and i have asked him wether Gho doesnt want to give an update because he failed or have difficulties and Gerritsen answered that according to HIS impression Gho is in advance phaes of his research but he refuse to give info now cause he doesnt want to have anyone hopes to high before he is done. Bye

Re: contact the clinic 2000

From: andy - hair bear bunch uk
Date: 21 Jan 2000
Time: 02:39:56
Remote Name: host212-140-202-226.btinteractive.net

Comments

Dear mates

Here is the transcript of my conversation with Dr Gho yesterday

Hello Ceon - Happy New year

'Same to you - whose calling?'

Andy - I spoke to you several times last year remeber?

'I get thousands of telephone calls every week!' (begins to get defensive)

Well I was the guy who asked for your advice(in April) as to whether I should proceed with my transplant surgery in Paris or hold out for your system

'Oh yes, I remember'

Well Dr Gho I thought I'd give you a call as all the guys at hairsite are anxiously awaiting news; I'm not going to ask you when it's comming out but how is it going?

'Very well'

Certain Doctors (i.e Colin Jahoda) suspect that hair multiplication could take up to 15 years to perfect

' NO - NO WAY 15 YEARS!!!!!!'

Do you know Colin Jahoda Coen?

'Yes - very well'

So When??

'I cant(wont) say' (gets doubley defensive - begins to pretend he can't speak anymore)

A wild guess?

'Call back later, towards the end of the the year'( begins to fob me off)

Well hurry up! Bye

'Bye'

- Make of this what you will but Gho was just trying to not let the cat out of the bag until he is ready. I think his technique is as perfected as his stealthy attitude to handling all enquiries which is only a good thing.

Re: contact the clinic 2000

From: Jacko
Date: 21 Jan 2000
Time: 07:45:44
Remote Name: net-ppp8.cc.uregina.ca

Comments

After reading this I really started to think. Andy or Pavlo I have no reason to disbelieve you ... or any reason to believe you for that matter and certainly don't want to trash you or flame here you but the one thing about Gho that doesn't make sense. Dr. Gho stated he personally gets 1000's of calls each week (it sounds like you spoke with him directly Andy). If I was researching something and gettting 1000's, 100's or even a score of calls each week I would change my phone number, get an answering service, screen my calls with an answering machine or call identifier or better yet pull my phone from the wall. I certainly would not spend all my time answering 1000's of calls per week as that would take all his time and I would not get any work done. I worked in a call centre at one time and let me tell you that working 8 hours a day, 5 days per week we didn't answer a 1000 calls.

Gho must be an idiot for not doing this or just simply doing another press release to get the 1000's off his back. I don't know what to think anymore. I apologize if you perceived this as a flame.

Jacko

Re: contact the clinic 2000

From: Joshua
Date: 21 Jan 2000
Time: 08:52:02
Remote Name: h57i11.delphi.afb.lu.se

Comments

I don't think he meant EXACTLY what he said when stating they get "thousands of calls".... he probably just meant there's been a lot of people calling him and that it's hard to remember who everyone is and what they have talked about...

Re: contact the clinic 2000

From: Joshua
Date: 21 Jan 2000
Time: 09:26:01
Remote Name: h57i11.delphi.afb.lu.se

Comments

So now we know it might happen this year(but not for sure) and it will definetely not take longer 15 years. Still, that gives us a 15 year timespan, so what's the news!

I thank you for trying, but I really wish we could get a bit more precise answere on the time to availability issue...

Re: Leave Gho alone

From: Mike
Date: 26 Jan 2000
Time: 15:16:04
Remote Name: preview.oraclecanada.com

Comments

Hi everybody,

I've been following this discussion group almost since it began and have never posted anything... that is... until now.

I, like everyone else who follows this board, can't wait until the day when Dr. Gho's procedure becomes available. However, I've noticed a... how do I put this... a messaniac/doomsday-cult type of anticipation from many people posting to this discussion.

The fact of the matter is that despite what Gho tells Pavlo or Andy or anyone else, HIS TREATMENT IS NOT GOING TO BECOME AVAILABLE TILL IT IS AVAILABLE. Now, I don't want to offend anyone but I feel that many people on this board really don't understand what the last sentence means. What it means is that all of the speculation, getting frustrated, etc. is not going to make a difference to the "go live" date.

Another thing that needs to be cleared up is this bizarre idea that Dr. Gho owes it to us to tell us exactly when his procedure will be available, or what stage he's currently at, etc. Please read this carefully: Dr. Gho does not "OWE" anyone anything. He'll go public with the details of his work when he wants to and that's totally his perogative to do so.

The BEST possible course of action we can take is to let Pavlo or Andy (whichever, or both) contact him once every 8-12 weeks (yes I know it sounds like a long time) and they can gather whatever updates or new information Gho is willing to give out. Everyone else should just chill out and stop harrassing Gho.

Good luck to everyone.

Mike

Re: important:do not call gho unless youre a dermatoligist wanting to be trained for real !!!

From: Patrick
Date: 26 Jan 2000
Time: 15:19:40
Remote Name: 136.st-louis-108-109rs.mo.dial-access.att.net

Comments

my take on all this is that Gho is trying to reduce the effort he is spending on answering phone calls and answering questions whats worse probably the same questions over and over , which can be frustrating and time consuming. I think everyone here , those who have contacted Gho and those who havent should all agree that nothing useful can be accomplished by contacting him at this point , infact i believe that I said that in one of my previous posts , Im not flaming all of you at all , Im not saying I told you so , I want to be totally straight forward with you guys I have doctors in my family and so I know , that if anybody needs to contact Gho its Dermatoligists to be trained in his techniqu , what a pity it would be if whenever the proceedure becomes available that the numbers indicate that it would be more profitable to sell the technology and it gets sat on by some company or entity that dosnt want it released , this would be bad for all of us truly dont you all think ?

I dont know if it will be out in six months 5 years 10 years or never or later this week for all i know

what i do know is different ways the facts we have can fit together and fit with what we know about the industry local laws , the way medical proceedures are tested and approved and what other companies and the powers that be are going to do

Gho and pavlo did state that 1-gho was in the final set of human trials 2-that he said he would make a press release in the summer of 2000 sometime 3- that he is training doctors to perform the hair sample collection and implantation technique 4-that the way it will work is there will be liscenced clinics world wide who collect 30 or so hair follicles and send them to ghos clinic where they are multiplied and sent back to the local clinics where they will be implanted

5- that he wanted to be left alone to train dermatoligists to perform the proceedure presumable people who will be training others

6- finally that we will have atleast a six month wait before we get information about wwhen the procedure will be available , from Gho's lips to our ears

so provided that the information we have gotten so far is accurate , these are the facts , and i dont see why everyone reads these posts and think that they will beable to just call gho and go get the proceedure , and ignore us ,

also people are understandibly getting impatient but when he says 6 months its six months or more , and unfortunately no ammount of begging or bribery or pestering gho will yield anything useful other than slowing down the progress of this proceedure coming out , or god forbid , killing it completely if gho has a nervous breakdown or something , show some respect and appreciation , and a week down the road when everyones forgotten this post and is calling gho all day long again refer back to this post and read those 6 facts , and for god sakes call your dermatoligist , and have them contact gho , so the word gets spresd in the right circles instead of becoming an urban legend . also , we need someone who can give out gho's contact info , who will only give it out to doctors who call them and verify that they indeed are doctors , until that happens , gho will probably either have to change his number or go nutts telling people not to call and get absolutely nothing done at all

hope the next 6 or so months pass quickly have a good one guys and gals Patrick

Re: important:do not call gho unless youre a dermatoligist wanting to be trained for real !!!

From: Bill
Date: 26 Jan 2000
Time: 17:25:00
Remote Name: 207-90-152-179.pavenet.net

Comments

Hi Patrick, Your idea is a good one - it has been mentioned several times before. Personally, I do not have a dermatologist, but I know of a cosmetic surgeon who could be interested in having this procedure to perform. And I would even be willing to contact a few derms in my area to see if they would be interested. But how would these derms or cosmetic surgeons get in touch with Gho, since they have probably not heard of him before, and would not know his number. It would seem like it would be defeating the purpose of listing his number here on the site, because we would then be encouraging others to call. We need to have some way of getting the number to the dermatologist, and then have some method by which Gho would know that this is really a derm calling, and not his competition or one of us trying to get info from him. Any suggestions ?

Re: important:do not call gho unless youre a dermatoligist wanting to be trained for real !!!

From: Bill
Date: 26 Jan 2000
Time: 17:31:31
Remote Name: 207-90-152-179.pavenet.net

Comments

Maybe we could have Pavlo or Andy call Gho, and see if this would be acceptable to him - if so, Gho could tell us what info he would require about the derm in order to know that he was a real derm. If Gho is indeed training or is about to train others, we could let him know that we want our country with some trained people ready to go - I, for one, am not gonna travel to Holland, and I doubt that many people would be willing to do so, unless they are quite young and quite bald.

Re: again i stress do not call the clinic unless you are a dermatoligist wanting to be trained in this technique

From: patrick
Date: 02 Feb 2000
Time: 13:17:26
Remote Name: 108.st-louis-111-112rs.mo.dial-access.att.net

Comments

i knew i would have to repeat myself here , because someone posted gho's number , im serious , you guys drive gho over the edge there will never be a hairmutiplication technique , so i will post this article for every 5 posts if nescessary ,,,, i stress again DO NOT CALL HIM THIS YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!not unless youre wanting to kill this technique as a viable option and ruin it for everyone , gho will not talk to you , and posting his phone number will do nothing but drive him absolutely bat shit and make him not want to do this proceedure , DO NOT CALL HIM ,REPEAT DO NOT CALL HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how plainly do i have to scream it ?

my previous post stated .....

my take on all this is that Gho is trying to reduce the effort he is spending on answering phone calls and answering questions whats worse probably the same questions over and over , which can be frustrating and time consuming. I think everyone here , those who have contacted Gho and those who havent should all agree that nothing useful can be accomplished by contacting him at this point , infact i believe that I said that in one of my previous posts , Im not flaming all of you at all , Im not saying I told you so , I want to be totally straight forward with you guys I have doctors in my family and so I know , that if anybody needs to contact Gho its Dermatoligists to be trained in his techniqu , what a pity it would be if whenever the proceedure becomes available that the numbers indicate that it would be more profitable to sell the technology and it gets sat on by some company or entity that dosnt want it released , this would be bad for all of us truly dont you all think ?

I dont know if it will be out in six months 5 years 10 years or never or later this week for all i know

what i do know is different ways the facts we have can fit together and fit with what we know about the industry local laws , the way medical proceedures are tested and approved and what other companies and the powers that be are going to do

Gho and pavlo did state that 1-gho was in the final set of human trials 2-that he said he would make a press release in the summer of 2000 sometime 3- that he is training doctors to perform the hair sample collection and implantation technique 4-that the way it will work is there will be liscenced clinics world wide who collect 30 or so hair follicles and send them to ghos clinic where they are multiplied and sent back to the local clinics where they will be implanted

5- that he wanted to be left alone to train dermatoligists to perform the proceedure presumable people who will be training others

6- finally that we will have atleast a six month wait before we get information about wwhen the procedure will be available , from Gho's lips to our ears

so provided that the information we have gotten so far is accurate , these are the facts , and i dont see why everyone reads these posts and think that they will beable to just call gho and go get the proceedure , and ignore us ,

also people are understandibly getting impatient but when he says 6 months its six months or more , and unfortunately no ammount of begging or bribery or pestering gho will yield anything useful other than slowing down the progress of this proceedure coming out , or god forbid , killing it completely if gho has a nervous breakdown or something , show some respect and appreciation , and a week down the road when everyones forgotten this post and is calling gho all day long again refer back to this post and read those 6 facts , and for god sakes call your dermatoligist , and have them contact gho , so the word gets spresd in the right circles instead of becoming an urban legend . also , we need someone who can give out gho's contact info , who will only give it out to doctors who call them and verify that they indeed are doctors , until that happens , gho will probably either have to change his number or go nutts telling people not to call and get absolutely nothing done at all

hope the next 6 or so months pass quickly have a good one guys and gals Patrick

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Re: again i stress do not call the clinic unless you are a dermatoligist wanting to be trained in this technique

From: John
Date: 02 Feb 2000
Time: 13:32:57
Remote Name: cd924835-a.scrfld1.mb.wave.home.com

Comments

I second this. Nothing can be accomplished by phoning Gho at this point. Everyone here wants the procedure and wants it to be a success but calling him is not going to get it here any sooner nor is he going to feel sorry for you and put you first in line to get it done. I posted the material on Steven Kirsch who has loads of money and he's waiting like everyone else. Hey, it's February, the summer is just around the corner. Save your money and yes, Alan, I'll see everyone down there this summer (maybe even you).

:)

Re: De Gelderlander

From: Lithium
Date: 05 Feb 2000
Time: 11:50:13
Remote Name: spider-wa024.proxy.aol.com

Comments

The original newspaper article, in De Gelderlander, is almost 2 years old. I was wondering if any of our Dutch speaking comrades have attempted to contact the paper to do a follow up article on Dr. Gho and his procedure.

It seems to me, that article brought this rather obscure newspaper into the international spotlight and it would be in their interest to try to make contact.

Then again, that article definitely put Dr. Gho in the spotlight, and he might be reluctant to draw even more attention to himself.

Even so, the journalist that interviewed Dr. Gho might be a useful source for our discussion. -- Lithium

Re: De Gelderlander

From: Pavlo
Date: 05 Feb 2000
Time: 22:20:51
Remote Name: netcache1.mot.com

Comments

Hi The article is originally from anewspaper called 'de limbu' it was written by mr. Will Gerritsen i have contated him 4 months ago and asked him to do afoolow up article a month ago gerritsen e-mailed me and told me that gho refuse to speak and asked him to come this summer for an update ,Gerritsen believes that gho will get this summer to amore advamced level in his research. Gerritsen have heard about gho from Dr. Boersma a well known dermatologist in the netherland .Through contacting boersma i got the name of 2 other Dr. (actually 1 is a prof.) who are working with Gho. I have called them both but got contradicting descriptions. They all agreed that this solution will come and that Gho's core technology is working fine but they gave different reasons for why it is delayed . I try to get a very good friend of mine from the netherland to talk to both this guys and also with Boersma itself (he is probably the one that will give us alot of info cause not only he is bald but he had transplants too so he is more likely to understand us).

Bye

Re: Detailed description of my talks with the two dr's - more technical info on HM

From: Pavlo
Date: 07 Feb 2000
Time: 02:04:53
Remote Name: netcache1.mot.com

Comments

Hi When i called boersma to ask him about Gho's research his secratary told him that he can't talk to me cause he is busy with his patient.I ask her if she knows something about hair multiplication and she told me yes i explained her that i intrested in some info about this research and she told me to call Some Dr. in tilburg (=city in holland)( icouldnt get his name cause she said it very fast ).I called this Dr. and he told me that he visited the Gho clinic regularly cause he knows Gho but he is not actively involved in the research i asked him if gho has human test subjects and he confirmed it.than ia sked him what are the problems and he said that the key to finding the ideal solution is finding the right concentration of cells to be multiplied .He explained me that the multipliedcells are injected to the fillicles (thats why we should call this technique hair multiplication and not follicles multiplication) each follicle can grow up to 25 hairs (on norml person's head it grows 2-3 hair),he told me that the current density (approx 4 months ago) that can be acheived is 50 hairs/cm^2 which is quite low,he mentioned that the problem that most occupied them is the fact that the hair grows in acycle of 4 years and they wonder what will happen when the hair falls wehter it will grow again?? At the end of our conversation he told me that he doesnt know very much cause he is not working in this research officialy and he advised me to call certain Prof. in the maastricht university that is leading the research and knows as much as Gho does. When i have called thgis Prof. it turned to me that he is avery respectable and reputable Prof. in the netherland i had to go through 3 secrateries in order to talk to him he is definetley knows alot but willing to tell evry little he told me that this wll happen and the core technology is working fine but it needs alot of refinement he agreed with the first Dr. that the key is fiding the right concentrations of cells to be multiplied,but he conradicted the first Dr. about the hair cycle problem he told me that this is not their prblem by the way Gho tells it too.

None of them mentioned the hair direction as a problem and personally i know that the hair direction is related to the follicles that the hair grows in since we dont touch the follicle the hair directoion remains as the original.

For the future try to getmy friend from holland who helps me very very much and i ask everyone who give me some compliment (i dont ask for it) to compiment him too . I also think that boersma is more likely to give us more info cause he is the first one who told to the outside world aou the clonong without him this disscussion group wouldnt be excited. And second cause my friend from holland saw him on T.v (he is very reputablr Dermatologist in the nethrland) and he told me that not only he is bald but he had transplants so he is bothered by this and he is likely to understand us . Bye

Re: Detailed description of my talks with the two dr's - more technical info on HM

From: Joshua
Date: 07 Feb 2000
Time: 03:55:31
Remote Name: h57i11.delphi.afb.lu.se

Comments

Great work Pavlo! Thank you very much for that detailed info... it gave answeres to alot of the most important questions. However I still have some questions that I wonder if you can clarify/answere:

"He explained me that the multipliedcells are injected to the fillicles (thats why we should call this technique hair multiplication and not follicles multiplication) each follicle can grow up to 25 hairs (on norml person's head it grows 2-3 hair)"

Could you explain this a bit more? Are the multiplied cells really inserted into the hair-follicles? Aren't they injected in the skin of the scalp?

"he told me that the current density (approx 4 months ago) that can be acheived is 50 hairs/cm^2 which is quite low"

Well, 50hairs/cm^2 ain't that bad either, and it'll probably get better with time! Anyway, did he mention what the problem was that set the limit of the hair-density to 50 hairs/cm^2? Why can't they simply make a few more injections close to the others?

Thanks in advance!

Re: Detailed description of my talks with the two dr's - more technical info on HM

From: Paul
Date: 07 Feb 2000
Time: 08:47:14
Remote Name: server164.digital.co.uk

Comments

>>>>>>? Why can't they simply make a few more injections close to the others? <<<<<

exactly, Joshua ! I would also tend to think that it should be possible to do further injections and therefore increase the growth. At the end of the day that is what happen with every Follicular Transplant.. no HT is one bit good after one session.

The advantage that Hair Multiplication should have over common HT, is simply that there's no need for holes or scars in the recipient area, therefore at least by logic one would conclude that the density achievable with Hair Multiplication should be far higher then with HT.

Just, one message for Dr Gho (who I suspect is reading this Forum).

If it's really the fact that you don't know what would happen after each cycle (4 years) that is delaying the commercial availability of your technique.... well I'm telling you :

myself and others here would do it even if it lasted only for 4 years !

At the end of the day if We were wearing a Wig, We would need some work done on it every month and to replace it every 6...

Cheers, Paul

Re: Detailed description of my talks with the two dr's - more technical info on HM

From: Morgan
Date: 07 Feb 2000
Time: 09:01:16
Remote Name: pppa58-resaleevansville1-5r7237.saturn.bbn.com

Comments

The density of a non-balding person is 150 - 250 hair/cm2, so 50 hair/cm2 is nothing to write home about. Like you, though, I wonder why they can't just

A. Inject more cells during the procedure. B. Inject more cells in a subsequent procedure.

If he is only concerned that he cannot achieve full density in a single session, I wish he would just make the procedure available now, and we'll have multiple sessions. That's what we have to do with traditional transplants.

Now that I know that they're utilizing the existing follicles, I can see how they have overcome the hair direction problem. That's fantastic! Sometimes I LOVE being wrong! ;^)

This is the most we've learned about how the procedure works. Great job again, Pavlo! And be sure to send our warmest regards and appreciation to your friend in Holland!

Re: Detailed description of my talks with the two dr's - more technical info on HM

From: Joshua
Date: 07 Feb 2000
Time: 11:15:59
Remote Name: h57i11.delphi.afb.lu.se

Comments

"Now that I know that they're utilizing the existing follicles, I can see how they have overcome the hair direction problem. That's fantastic! Sometimes I LOVE being wrong! ;^)"

Well, you mean they inject the multiplied stemcells into the hairfollicles that have stopped producing hair, but are still present in the skin of the scalp? Then there would be the problem with the fact that these hairfollicles die and disappear as the balding progresses. I don't know how long it takes for a follicle to die, but let's say you started to lose your hair at 17, and you're close to 30 now, then there would probably be a lot of dead follicles. Maybe that's why they can't achieve full density... well, who knows. Why not ask the doctors!?

Re: Detailed description of my talks with the two dr's - more technical info on HM

From: Bill
Date: 07 Feb 2000
Time: 09:18:00
Remote Name: 207-90-152-150.pavenet.net

Comments

Thank you Pavlo, So in a nutshell, am I correct in saying that the main stumbling block currently, is the amount of hair that can be placed in a given area is much too low for suitable coverage ? So they need to be able to find a way to inject more cells into a follicle to produce more hairs per follicle ?

Re: please :DO NOT CONTACT GHO'S CLINIC UNLESS YOURE A DOCTOR OR DERMATOLIGIST

From: Patrick - just as anxious as all of you !!
Date: 09 Feb 2000
Time: 04:45:53
Remote Name: 145.st-louis-105-110rs.mo.dial-access.att.net

Comments

Hi all , i couldnt help but notice someone posted Gho's contact information again , this is only useful to you guys and gals if you have your doctor or dermatoligist contact the clinic , were trying to cut down on calls to the clinic just because of the following reasons:

1- Gho is a very busy man , he is deeply involved in his work , and is trying to get human trials on this technique done this year , he is not giving out information , or taking appointments or looking for test subjects so if you call you will likely not get past the front desk.

2- Gho is allready swamped with calls about this technique and is not in a position to state anything publicly yet , i know you all are anxious to find out anything you can , thats why pavlo has been calling and getting periodic updates and posting them here , so Gho need not be pulled away from his work but once every 8 months or so.

3- Gho desires to finish his trials in a quiet non stressful environment without having to answer calls every 5 seconds so if you all want this technique please respect his wishes and do not call

4- Ignoring this post , and calling any way , or misrepresenting yourself , saying youre someone your not , like a doctor , or reporter or anything else except a patient whos interested in this proceedure will get you nowhere , Gho reads this board and knows all the tricks , and can easilly tell youre pulling his leg , please be considerate , and get your information here , or contact your dermatoligist and tell them about this technique so they can contact Gho and ask the right questions without wasting his time , and making him answer the same questions over and over , most of which are what hes trying to determine in his trials .

this technique is very close to being approved , but he has to be impartial , and no ammount of crying , whining or , desparation is going to make him feel sorry for you and put you first in line , sorry guys , i know its frustrating , but your going to have to wait and get your info from this site sorry

waiting anxioysly here too!! Patrick

Re: please :DO NOT CONTACT GHO'S CLINIC UNLESS YOURE A DOCTOR OR DERMATOLIGIST

From: Rich
Date: 09 Feb 2000
Time: 14:23:45
Remote Name: pool-207-205-216-7.pbgh.grid.net

Comments

I agree Patrick, our inpatience is becoming overwhelming. It is still going to take time to perfect this procedure and still more time before it becomes available to the general public and still more time for the hair to actually grow on our impatient heads. I suggest everyone buy a Chia pet and water it daily and watch the growth and remember this will be us in the not too distant future.

Dr. Gho is not testing the procedure on women

From: E.
Date: 21 Feb 2000
Time: 06:27:06
Remote Name: annex-0-9-port-28.dialup.coast.net

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I am a 24 year old female (with androgenetic alopecia) who has been watching this discussion for a few months now. I have been wondering if this procedure is going to be available to women and wondered why more women who follow HAIRSITE.COM have not been asking the same. I know I was not supposed to contact Dr. Gho myself, but I am becoming very depressed and desperate. So this morning I made a quick phone call (getting the phone # off this site) to ask if this was for real. The women who answered immediately gave the phone to Dr. Gho and I asked How it was going and if it would be available to women. Like everyone has read before he said the procedure is going very well and he still does not know if it will be out in 1 year or 2. But when I asked him if it was going to be available for women he replied "Women?, we did not test this procedure on women". I'm sure I'm going to be even more depressed now because that was really my only hope in sight.

Dr. Gho is not testing the procedure on women

From: Pavlo
Date: 21 Feb 2000
Time: 07:05:27
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Dear E. The reason for not testing the procedure right now on women is beacause their hair loss is not complete gho needs acomplete bald head from his test subject women usually abit diffuse but don't lose all their hair completely this technology will be aplicable for women maybe abit later than men but it was mentioned in the article (that was also published in awomen magazine) that this technology will bring great advantage to women even more than men Bye

Re: Dr. Gho's associate - Mr Fieskens

From: Andy - hair loss warriors UK
Date: 17 Apr 2000
Time: 02:08:00
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Dear friends.

I lost my battle with patience and decided to ring up Gho on the basis that he clearly has not kept his word and posted us any updates. I failed to get through to Coen (GhO) but managed to force my way to speak to Mr Fieskens. I assumed he was just another lab technician so in my British Bulldog type way laid into him and explained that they (the Clinic) wouldn't get so many callers if Gho had bothered to keep us informed.This was all his fault. His blackout has caused far more curiosity than disinterest and anyway he said he would do so. So I asked this new character what was going on ...how close is the whole thing??????

'I am sorry .. but you'll have to ask Coen - he's the scientist around here' replied Frieskens

So what do you do?

'I am his BUSINESS AGENT'.

So does that mean that your going to start to sell the technique soonner than later?

'Well If it were up to me I'd start selling it tommorrow but it's not perfect yet'

Gho's been sponsored by the Dutch government hasn't he?

'Yes, partly'

When will it be perfect? -we keep on hearing this Summer

'I don't think so, but the results on the test subjects are getting better.'

If Gho has a business / sales agent in place, well I assume the whole Gho operation has moved up a gear. After all you dont hire sales staff without a product to flog.

Yours in hope Andy

Re: Dr. Gho's associate - Mr Fieskens

From: mwe7
Date: 17 Apr 2000
Time: 02:26:53
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When will it be perfect? -we keep on hearing this Summer

'I don't think so, but the results on the test subjects are getting better.'

I'll bet you 100 follicles he's trying to increase the density. I'll bet Gho want's at least 150 to 200 hairs per cm^2 before he starts selling this technology, otherwise it will severely limit it's application, and therefore profitability. I hope he can do it within a year or so, and from the sounds of the statement above, it looks like he's found a way to increase it so lets all hope he can keep increasing it. Of course this is all speculation, but it's a good guess if you ask me. Take care and thanks for the phone call Andy!!

Matt