Hair Loss

JJJ Jr. S 30.04.2012, 10:21	Who do we go to if we want independent analysis of donor regeneration? (Hair Stem Cells Transplantation)
	On BTT, there is a poster "neversaynever" who is having a procedure with Gho in 3 weeks and offered to go to a 3rd party to get the donor regeneration/recipient yield checked if it was financed. This could be the case that settles the debate! Spencer may or may not get on board. I'll try to convince him to but we have to move on even without him if he wants to ignore this. I'm willing to chip in some of the costs to get this checked and I'm sure some others will as well. So the important question: who do we go to to get an independent analysis of the donor regeneration/recipient yield? How do we can plan this out? This is the perfect opportunity guys, let's try to make this work. JJJ Jr. S is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Iron_Man 30.04.2012, 10:55 @ JJJ Jr. S	Who do we go to if we want independent analysis of donor regeneration?
	» So the important question: who do we go to to get an independent analysis » of the donor regeneration/recipient yield? How do we can plan this out? » This is the perfect opportunity guys, let's try to make this work. That is pretty simple for the patient himself as well as for the observer, if they do - for example - the same what I did with gc's photos: http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-100262-page-0-category-17-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html I think you can't do it better! Making good quality photos (as gc did), encircling of extractions sites (as I did), labeling each and every extraction site etc. Everybody can still do completely the same as I did (in case somebody don't trust me) with all gc's provided photos. btw - doing the same with the recipient site is also important: http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/28/3202143/day24-1.jpg Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process … Post reply
moopookoo 30.04.2012, 11:24 @ Iron_Man	Who do we go to if we want independent analysis of donor regeneration?
	What NW level is he? How many grafts? Would be good to get some semi permanent tattoo as a ref point, ink that will last about a month and disappear moopookoo is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
JJJ Jr. S 30.04.2012, 16:18 @ Iron_Man	Who do we go to if we want independent analysis of donor regeneration?
	» » So the important question: who do we go to to get an independent » analysis » » of the donor regeneration/recipient yield? How do we can plan this out? » » This is the perfect opportunity guys, let's try to make this work. » » That is pretty simple for the patient himself as well as for the observer, » if they do - for example - the same what I did with gc's photos: » » http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-100262-page-0-category-17-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html » » I think you can't do it better! » Making good quality photos (as gc did), encircling of extractions sites (as » I did), labeling each and every extraction site etc. Everybody can still do » completely the same as I did (in case somebody don't trust me) with all » gc's provided photos. » » btw - doing the same with the recipient site is also important: » » http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/28/3202143/day24-1.jpg I agree but the Gho skeptics claim it's not enough. So I want to find out what is enough for these guys to call it conclusive proof. That's why I'm looking for some independent 3rd party to do the analysis so the clinics can no longer make excuses. JJJ Jr. S is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
moopookoo 30.04.2012, 16:45 @ JJJ Jr. S	Who do we go to if we want independent analysis of donor regeneration?
	We need 3rd party to decide, Spencer cant be that since he showed that he is biased and theres conflict of interest there. Who appointed Spencer to be head of tbt/ihrs and leading hair loss consumer advocate?? system is rotten from the start, htn, iahrs are just criminl enterprises run by corrupt people who are not acting in our best interest. we need restructure, they shd be made illegl moopookoo is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Iron_Man 01.05.2012, 19:21 @ JJJ Jr. S	Who do we go to if we want independent analysis of donor regeneration?
	» I agree but the Gho skeptics claim it's not enough. So I want to find out » what is enough for these guys to call it conclusive proof. » » That's why I'm looking for some independent 3rd party to do the analysis so » the clinics can no longer make excuses. That is easy. We all should force them to show us "conclusive proof" whether or not something like "Follicular Unit Transplantation" (FUT) or "Follicular Unit Extraction" (FUE) works at all as all these suckers just claim!! For example: - They still claim that a strip (FUT) procedure gives you just "a pencil-thin scar". WHERE ARE THE "CONCLUSIVE PROOFS" WITH HIGH RESOLUTION PHOTOS FOR THESE CLAIMS ?? - They still claim that a conventional FUE procedure is "scarless" for the naked eye. WHERE ARE THE "CONCLUSIVE PROOFS" WITH HIGH RESOLUTION PHOTOS FOR THESE CLAIMS ?? - All conventional HT docs and clinics out there still claim that the implanted grafts in the recipient site are "scarless" and without "fibosis". WHERE ARE THE "CONCLUSIVE PROOFS" WITH HIGH RESOLUTION PHOTOS FOR THESE CLAIMS ?? - and they still claim lots of other crazy things just to get patients into their OP chair! Again, concerning "I'm looking for some independent 3rd party to do the analysis", I think we should rather encourage patients to show us such high resolution photos as -for example- gc provided us. In such a case, all "analysis" made by any users, can easily "peer-reviewed" by other users. So it's rather a question HOW TO "standardize" such "easily to review" analysis concerning what exactly we want to see to be "convinced". Concerning all the latter, I think I have some pretty good ideas concerning "how to do" towards reduced costs for procedures, because I think most guys out there a tired in the meanwhile of all these useless and "standaridized" f..... Before/After photos in HT forums ... Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process … Post reply
Iron_Man 01.05.2012, 22:38 @ Iron_Man	Who do we go to if we want independent analysis of donor regeneration?
	In addition, we really should move away from all these useless "HairSite's" - in general. Posts disappear, whole threads disappear - and what's even more worse: this forum here (Gho's HST) is just a nice "marketing-magnet" - actually just for all the other suckers in this field I mentioned in my previous post. The same for the so called "Hair Loss Research & Clinical Trials" forum - this forum has also always just been a nice "marketing-magnet" for the conventional hair transplant suckers/forum - which is now nicely placed between the Gho-magnet and the other "Hair Loss Research"-magnet for baldies. Who really still cares today whether or not conventional hair transplant doctors are able to transplant hairs from A to B - after 50 years of conventional hair transplants?? It's really time to CHANGE things as fast as possible ... Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process … Post reply
moopookoo 01.05.2012, 23:34 @ Iron_Man	Who do we go to if we want independent analysis of donor regeneration?
	As IM pointed out there is no conclusive proof that FUE/FUT works as they claim. FUE clinics advise not to go for strip coz of big scar, In fact if you talk to full time strip clinic they tell you that fue is inferior procedure as it yields far less then strip, FUE docs claim yield is over 95%. How come Spencer never really cared if these procedures work as they claim? In the worst case scenario he shd be interested in HST coz it is SCARLESS..forget abt regeneration bit for now, scarless or least scaring/downtime, fastest healing/growth compared to what we got now... moopookoo is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Iron_Man 02.05.2012, 00:06 @ moopookoo	Who do we go to if we want independent analysis of donor regeneration?
	» As IM pointed out there is no conclusive proof that FUE/FUT works as they » claim. just for example ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zZ8sOYjroo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXlrR92S8xM&feature=related The strip gurus always claim (to attack FUE gurus) that by using stereo microscopes they can SEE every follicular unit they cut out of such a fleshy strip which they amputated from a patients occiput. THEY SEE A SH'T!! They very often don't even know which follicle belongs to which follicular unit! In addition, you can clearly see in the video how many follicles they destroy even with the help of their beloved stereo microscope! Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process … Post reply
moawk Germany, 02.05.2012, 01:07 @ Iron_Man	Who do we go to if we want independent analysis of donor regeneration?
	Yup it's never talked about, not even on spencer's show. All they says: It's either a decapitated head or not for them. Yes for Gho EVERY DETAIL must be true. moawk is located in GERMANY and he is available to meet: NO --- 1. Predicted the failure of replicel, months in advance. 2. Predicted how their stock would rise/drop even with exact numbers. 3. Predicted the wild claims and crazyness that gc83uk's donor regeneration will cause among the HT industry during this summer. Including rassman's opinion, Dr. Woods special patients and Pro hair clinic photos. 4. Predicted Gho will open up a clinic in asia. 5. No prediction on Histogen. Looks promising if they didn't fake results. 6. Predicted the only viable HM technique other than Gho would surface when hairs are: "generated through the appropriate cell populations" -Team Tokyo 2012 - Moawk Advice for patients: If you are considering a hair transplant, only consider Gho's HST and nothing else. First HT treatment in the world that offers: zero scarring, small downtime and donor regrowth. http://www.hasci.com Advice for Investors in HM: Invest in Team Tokyo. http://www.tsuji-lab.com/en/research/organ/hair.html Ditch replicel, aderans. They are done for and have no future. Post reply
needhairasap 02.05.2012, 01:52 @ moawk	Who do we go to if we want independent analysis of donor regeneration?
	» Yup it's never talked about, not even on spencer's show. All they says: » » » » It's either a decapitated head or not for them. Yes for Gho EVERY DETAIL » must be true. http://www.b*ldtruthtalk.com/album.php?albumid=524&pictureid=4271 feridini regeneration? needhairasap is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
MikadoMan 02.05.2012, 05:02 @ needhairasap	Who do we go to if we want independent analysis of donor regeneration?
	In the Ferudini case i wonder about this myself, he shows donor pictures, uses small amounts of Grafts and can d good things and he officially apologized by Gho. Sometimes it seems to me he could be involved but i dont know MikadoMan is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- You wanna get all the answers why none of your "ethical" clinics have adopted Ghos HST hairmuliplication so far? THEN READ THIS http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/img/uploaded_files/2879_file32.pdf Post reply
moawk Germany, 02.05.2012, 05:08 @ MikadoMan	Who do we go to if we want independent analysis of donor regeneration?
	» In the Ferudini case i wonder about this myself, he shows donor pictures, » uses small amounts of Grafts and can d good things and he officially » apologized by Gho. » » Sometimes it seems to me he could be involved but i dont know If Ferudini tried to adopt HST, FORGET ABOUT IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!! It would be one of the greatest things to happen to bald men. This cat is an artist, in my opinion THE GREATEST and MOST SKILLED HT doctor in the world. If I had the money I'd give feriduni 1m dollars to do this unfortunately there are people keeping this from happening. moawk is located in GERMANY and he is available to meet: NO --- 1. Predicted the failure of replicel, months in advance. 2. Predicted how their stock would rise/drop even with exact numbers. 3. Predicted the wild claims and crazyness that gc83uk's donor regeneration will cause among the HT industry during this summer. Including rassman's opinion, Dr. Woods special patients and Pro hair clinic photos. 4. Predicted Gho will open up a clinic in asia. 5. No prediction on Histogen. Looks promising if they didn't fake results. 6. Predicted the only viable HM technique other than Gho would surface when hairs are: "generated through the appropriate cell populations" -Team Tokyo 2012 - Moawk Advice for patients: If you are considering a hair transplant, only consider Gho's HST and nothing else. First HT treatment in the world that offers: zero scarring, small downtime and donor regrowth. http://www.hasci.com Advice for Investors in HM: Invest in Team Tokyo. http://www.tsuji-lab.com/en/research/organ/hair.html Ditch replicel, aderans. They are done for and have no future. Post reply
moopookoo 02.05.2012, 05:57 @ moawk	Who do we go to if we want independent analysis of donor regeneration?
	Ferudini has a good reputation no doubt abt it. Has anyone tried to contact him and ask abt HST and what is his take on it? All we know is that he apologied to Gho and acknowledged HST is legit moopookoo is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
JJJ Jr. S 02.05.2012, 14:37 @ moawk	Who do we go to if we want independent analysis of donor regeneration?
	» » In the Ferudini case i wonder about this myself, he shows donor » pictures, » » uses small amounts of Grafts and can d good things and he officially » » apologized by Gho. » » » » Sometimes it seems to me he could be involved but i dont know » » If Ferudini tried to adopt HST, FORGET ABOUT IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!! » » It would be one of the greatest things to happen to bald men. » » This cat is an artist, in my opinion THE GREATEST and MOST SKILLED HT » doctor in the world. » » » If I had the money I'd give feriduni 1m dollars to do this » unfortunately there are people keeping this from happening. That's exactly why I'm pushing this whole initiative on the Bald Truth. I want to see other surgeons start adopting HST. Some of these surgeons are putting out great artistic results with no donor regeneration. I'd love to see what they could do with 80% donor regeneration and absolutely minimal scarring. Also the waiting lines are getting longer and longer at Gho's clinics and I want to see more than just once place offering it. I also believe other doctors will be less conservative and offer much more grafts per session. JJJ Jr. S is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
needhairasap 03.05.2012, 01:00 @ moopookoo	Who do we go to if we want independent analysis of donor regeneration?
	» Ferudini has a good reputation no doubt abt it. » » Has anyone tried to contact him and ask abt HST and what is his take on » it? » » All we know is that he apologied to Gho and acknowledged HST is legit I just want whoever draws his hairlines to draw mine for my GHoHst needhairasap is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
moopookoo 04.05.2012, 14:58 @ needhairasap	Who do we go to if we want independent analysis of donor regeneration?
	moopookoo is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
JJJ Jr. S 05.05.2012, 14:09 @ moopookoo	Who do we go to if we want independent analysis of donor regeneration?
	» I assume this was after Feriduni and a few cosmetic surgeons tried to sue Gho for false advertising? If you can provide some more background and the source of the letter, that would be great. I'd love to post this on BTT. JJJ Jr. S is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
moopookoo 05.05.2012, 14:49 @ JJJ Jr. S	Who do we go to if we want independent analysis of donor regeneration?
	@ JJJ Jr.S source is hasci website, click on 'news' then 'file: hair stem cell transplantation and you will lot of pdf files re lawsuit, there was 5 clincs thats sued hasci Transhair BV Aesthetic Team BV(Dr Feriduni) Laser Surgery Prohairclinic Hairplus Medical Care I posted stuff on HTN and surprisingly one of the moderators said : I've done extensive research on the "Gho" procedure at HSI and while it's a very exciting "step" toward something new, it's very new and unproven at this point in time. Frankly, while the science behind the procedure is sound (and this is what Dr. Feriduni was discussing; not any commentary or retraction about the results) the objective results don't seem to currently meet the standard of FUE. It's definitely something to follow with interest, but I would not (personally) neglect current treatments in light of it HTN folks are very conservative when it comes HT, I think the real reason is that they dont know how to react to this revolutionary or evolutionary change in the industry, its not realy easy for them if you think abt it...what will be the purpose of HTN and iahrs if everyone adopts HST and its run like franchise model? moopookoo is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
JJJ Jr. S 06.05.2012, 18:52 @ moopookoo	Who do we go to if we want independent analysis of donor regeneration?
	» @ JJJ Jr.S » » source is hasci website, click on 'news' then 'file: hair stem cell » transplantation and you will lot of pdf files re lawsuit, there was 5 » clincs thats sued hasci » » Transhair BV » Aesthetic Team BV(Dr Feriduni) » Laser Surgery » Prohairclinic » Hairplus Medical Care » » I posted stuff on HTN and surprisingly one of the moderators said : » » » I've done extensive research on the "Gho" procedure at HSI and while it's a » very exciting "step" toward something new, it's very new and unproven at » this point in time. Frankly, while the science behind the procedure is » sound (and this is what Dr. Feriduni was discussing; not any commentary or » retraction about the results) the objective results don't seem to currently » meet the standard of FUE. » » It's definitely something to follow with interest, but I would not » (personally) neglect current treatments in light of it » » » HTN folks are very conservative when it comes HT, I think the real reason » is that they dont know how to react to this revolutionary or evolutionary » change in the industry, its not realy easy for them if you think abt » it...what will be the purpose of HTN and iahrs if everyone adopts HST and » its run like franchise model? Thanks a lot moopookoo. I posted this info on BTT. JJJ Jr. S is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Iron_Man 06.05.2012, 21:12 @ JJJ Jr. S	Who do we go to if we want independent analysis of donor regeneration?
	» » » » » I assume this was after Feriduni and a few cosmetic surgeons tried to sue » Gho for false advertising? » » If you can provide some more background and the source of the letter, that » would be great. I'd love to post this on BTT. Here the original source/paper (English) http://www.hasci.com/uploads/downloads/828feb2f-fa15-4ddf-98fc-93d74c7f2ff22010-02-04_Rectificatie_dr._B._Feriduni_totaal%5B1%5D.pdf Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process … Post reply
brazilian 06.05.2012, 21:33 @ Iron_Man	Who do we go to if we want independent analysis of donor regeneration?
	» » » » » » » » » » I assume this was after Feriduni and a few cosmetic surgeons tried to » sue » » Gho for false advertising? » » » » If you can provide some more background and the source of the » letter, that » » would be great. I'd love to post this on BTT. » » Here the original source/paper (English) » » http://www.hasci.com/uploads/downloads/828feb2f-fa15-4ddf-98fc-93d74c7f2ff22010-02-04_Rectificatie_dr._B._Feriduni_totaal%5B1%5D.pdf » Iron Man do you think Dr. Feriduni did that only because of realization of mea culpa or was this letter a result out of a necessity, like an off-court agreement? brazilian is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Iron_Man 06.05.2012, 21:34 @ moopookoo	Who do we go to if we want independent analysis of donor regeneration?
	» about the results) the objective results don't seem to currently » meet the standard of FUE. They guy should explain to you what exactly is "the standard of FUE" ?? I didn't know that there is "a standard". Concerning the HRN-site, I noticed they simply hype every HT doc WHO PAYS - and they have nothing to offer, besides a big mouth and their "best cases". Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process … Post reply
moopookoo 06.05.2012, 22:13 @ brazilian	Who do we go to if we want independent analysis of donor regeneration?
	» » Iron Man do you think Dr. Feriduni did that only because of realization of » mea culpa or was this letter a result out of a necessity, like an off-court » agreement? Prbbly courts order, in another words he had to do it As I cant see him writing such a letter voluntarily, dont think he got 'convienced' bc Dutch court said so.... wonder what he 'really' think abt HST, As somebody said the problem with HST is that there are no 'wow' cases yet; to convince masses Gho need to present cases like nw6/7 that fue couldnt fix and give them better density than fue. What worries me that even Gho talked abt 'limitation' of hst, when in theory it shdnt be th case, everyone shd be able to get full head of hair if time n $$ is unlimited; for example if you got 4 000 donor hair available, in thoery that shd give you 20 000 grafts in recepient which is full head of hair. If such a case goes to hasci and says ok, gimme 20 000 grafts from my 4 000 donor, here is the money, do 2 000 - 2500 sessions with 9 months in between or 6, theoreticly that shd be possible BUT i doubt that Gho would accept such proposition. Whats yr take on it folks moopookoo is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
ccmethinning 06.05.2012, 22:35 @ moopookoo	Who do we go to if we want independent analysis of donor regeneration?
	That's the million dollar question. ccmethinning is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
brazilian 06.05.2012, 23:27 @ ccmethinning	What about this
	» That's the million dollar question. This is pure speculation on my part, but here is the answer that is base in some evidence and at least represents a logical scenario: The HST technique, while providing results since around 2005-2006, got perfected to the point of delivering consistent results just a couple years ago. So we still didnt have enough time to see a full transformation, considering a NW4+ would need multiple sessions each 9-12 months a part, and it would take easily 3-5 years to do that at the current state of the technology. Add to this that Gho in many cases prefer to be conservative and go way bellow the "max" grafts session. Take Gcuk82s case for example. Did 2 700 grafts sessions (Gho wanted to keep donor straction small because of the pacient previous condition in order to achieve the best regrowth rate as possible)and is planning to do more. Everything is going well acording to him so far so the reason his head is not covered yet is just because of not enough time! I think up to this point Gho was more concerned in achieving the target yields in donor regrowth and reciepient area, and this led him to play the game more conservatively (i.e., doing smaller sessions to not risk disturbing the healing process). And the good news is that according to a lot of evidence he has achieved that goal, so I would expect him to be more agressive and go for bigger sessions now. So, assuming this theory is right and time is the reason, expect full blown transformations poping up in the next year or so. Lets wait and see. brazilian is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
JJJ Jr. S 06.05.2012, 23:53 @ moopookoo	Who do we go to if we want independent analysis of donor regeneration?
	» Prbbly courts order, in another words he had to do it As I cant see him » writing such a letter voluntarily, dont think he got 'convienced' bc Dutch » court said so.... » » wonder what he 'really' think abt HST, » » As somebody said the problem with HST is that there are no 'wow' cases » yet; » to convince masses Gho need to present cases like nw6/7 that fue couldnt » fix and give them better density than fue. » » What worries me that even Gho talked abt 'limitation' of hst, when in » theory it shdnt be th case, everyone shd be able to get full head of hair » if time n $$ is unlimited; for example if you got 4 000 donor hair » available, in thoery that shd give you 20 000 grafts in recepient which is » full head of hair. » » If such a case goes to hasci and says ok, gimme 20 000 grafts from my 4 000 » donor, here is the money, do 2 000 - 2500 sessions with 9 months in between » or 6, theoreticly that shd be possible BUT i doubt that Gho would accept » such proposition. » » Whats yr take on it folks Yeah, from my perspective, I would tolerate less regeneration if I could get more grafts in one session over 1-3 days for example. I noticed from Iron_Man's analysis that even that grafts that were taken very close to each other regenerated. So I really hope Dr. Gho can make it a priority to increase the number of grafts per session. JJJ Jr. S is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
moopookoo 07.05.2012, 01:51 @ JJJ Jr. S	Who do we go to if we want independent analysis of donor regeneration?
	IF 80% regenerates there is no need to be so conservative, since you have unlimited number of grafts to work with In my previous example 20 000 grafys would be created from 4 000 grafts of donor.thats without using same donor twice! Lets say that Ben Bernanke walks in Ghos office and says I wanna look like Justin Bieber in 5 years time, name the price.that shd be possible if HST works as described. Would Dr Gho accept the offer, I know dr Umar would as he would use his beard and turn him to nw0, not Justin Biebers look but would give him 20 000 grafts. Umar recently had case nw7 similar to bernanke but worse btw Thats why Drs are suspicious of his technique, he uses it to conservatively. Imagine 80% regeneration available to Dr Umar??? he would give you Nw -2 with density of 200 gradts per cm2..am I not right??? moopookoo is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply