Hair Loss

RockStarFromMars 26.05.2012, 22:15	I want to settle this! (Hair Stem Cells Transplantation)
	Hello! I'm new to this forum, and I'm not going to bore you with a boring backround story, so I'm just going to get right to the case. I'm seriousely consider to getting a HST procedure done. i have contacted HASCI and all. When I do this procedure, I want to document everything with the help of an independent researcher. I don't want it to be any doubt/speculation left. I have read many threads here, and I see that Iron_man is the one who really seems like a radical, but intelligent guy. I would therefore like him to answer this question. 1. How should I move forward? 2. How can I document it in such a way that even the must sceptical doctors will be convinced? Like Rassman for example. RockStarFromMars is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
moawk Germany, 26.05.2012, 22:55 @ RockStarFromMars	I want to settle this!
	» Hello! I'm new to this forum, and I'm not going to bore you with a boring » backround story, so I'm just going to get right to the case. I'm seriousely » consider to getting a HST procedure done. i have contacted HASCI and all. » When I do this procedure, I want to document everything with the help of an » independent researcher. I don't want it to be any doubt/speculation left. I » have read many threads here, and I see that Iron_man is the one who really » seems like a radical, but intelligent guy. I would therefore like him to » answer this question. » » 1. How should I move forward? » 2. How can I document it in such a way that even the must sceptical doctors » will be convinced? Like Rassman for example. Are you rich by any chance ? I'll go with ya if you pay my treatment. Forget about the doctors, you won't convinced them no matter what you do. They don't want to be convinced. You can however provide more proof for baldies out there so that they can choose the right direction if they ever get a transplant. Or Does anybody have any idea how we can use this dude to convince these doctors? moawk is located in GERMANY and he is available to meet: NO --- 1. Predicted the failure of replicel, months in advance. 2. Predicted how their stock would rise/drop even with exact numbers. 3. Predicted the wild claims and crazyness that gc83uk's donor regeneration will cause among the HT industry during this summer. Including rassman's opinion, Dr. Woods special patients and Pro hair clinic photos. 4. Predicted Gho will open up a clinic in asia. 5. No prediction on Histogen. Looks promising if they didn't fake results. 6. Predicted the only viable HM technique other than Gho would surface when hairs are: "generated through the appropriate cell populations" -Team Tokyo 2012 - Moawk Advice for patients: If you are considering a hair transplant, only consider Gho's HST and nothing else. First HT treatment in the world that offers: zero scarring, small downtime and donor regrowth. http://www.hasci.com Advice for Investors in HM: Invest in Team Tokyo. http://www.tsuji-lab.com/en/research/organ/hair.html Ditch replicel, aderans. They are done for and have no future. Post reply
needhairasap 27.05.2012, 00:37 @ RockStarFromMars	I want to settle this!
	» Hello! I'm new to this forum, and I'm not going to bore you with a boring » backround story, so I'm just going to get right to the case. I'm seriousely » consider to getting a HST procedure done. i have contacted HASCI and all. » When I do this procedure, I want to document everything with the help of an » independent researcher. I don't want it to be any doubt/speculation left. I » have read many threads here, and I see that Iron_man is the one who really » seems like a radical, but intelligent guy. I would therefore like him to » answer this question. » » 1. How should I move forward? » 2. How can I document it in such a way that even the must sceptical doctors » will be convinced? Like Rassman for example. a henna (fake) tatoo.... have a part of your head tattooed. Then simply take pictures from the days before to the weeks after... maybe say 2 weeks. Make sure that we can count the exact NUMBER of hair follicles in each of your FU inside said tattooed area. Then, after your procedure, and before the tattoo wears off, we can go back and recount the hairs that have regenerated. If we find that all your 3 haired follicular units in your donor are now 1 hair follicular units then we have a problem. If we find that all the two hair and three hair FU have fully regenerated into two and three hair FUs then we are good. GC partly confirmed this but it was not conclusive (to some peoples liking) a independent firm is not absolutely neccessary. Just some sort of tattoo that will last up to 3-4 weeks and really good photos all the way through the process. The tat area should not be too big, and should be an area that will be used for extractions by Gho needhairasap is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
needhairasap 27.05.2012, 00:39 @ needhairasap	I want to settle this!
	» » Hello! I'm new to this forum, and I'm not going to bore you with a » boring » » backround story, so I'm just going to get right to the case. I'm » seriousely » » consider to getting a HST procedure done. i have contacted HASCI and » all. » » When I do this procedure, I want to document everything with the help of » an » » independent researcher. I don't want it to be any doubt/speculation left. » I » » have read many threads here, and I see that Iron_man is the one who » really » » seems like a radical, but intelligent guy. I would therefore like him to » » answer this question. » » » » 1. How should I move forward? » » 2. How can I document it in such a way that even the must sceptical » doctors » » will be convinced? Like Rassman for example. » » » a henna (fake) tatoo.... have a part of your head tattooed. Then simply » take pictures from the days before to the weeks after... maybe say 2 weeks. » Make sure that we can count the exact NUMBER of hair follicles in each of » your FU inside said tattooed area. Then, after your procedure, and before » the tattoo wears off, we can go back and recount the hairs that have » regenerated. If we find that all your 3 haired follicular units in your » donor are now 1 hair follicular units then we have a problem. If we find » that all the two hair and three hair FU have fully regenerated into two and » three hair FUs then we are good. GC partly confirmed this but it was not » conclusive (to some peoples liking) » » » a independent firm is not absolutely neccessary. Just some sort of tattoo » that will last up to 3-4 weeks and really good photos all the way through » the process. The tat area should not be too big, and should be an area that » will be used for extractions by Gho having an independent group verify it would be good and probably inexpensive if you tell them all you need is a hair count...somebody must do something like that-- maybe a doctor for a really small fee? have him count the tattooed area before then go see him a couple weeks after and have him count again.. and count individual hair follicles not just FUs needhairasap is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
HMorHT 27.05.2012, 00:43 @ RockStarFromMars	I want to settle this!
	» Hello! I'm new to this forum, and I'm not going to bore you with a boring » backround story, so I'm just going to get right to the case. I'm seriousely » consider to getting a HST procedure done. i have contacted HASCI and all. » When I do this procedure, I want to document everything with the help of an » independent researcher. I don't want it to be any doubt/speculation left. I » have read many threads here, and I see that Iron_man is the one who really » seems like a radical, but intelligent guy. I would therefore like him to » answer this question. » » 1. How should I move forward? » 2. How can I document it in such a way that even the must sceptical doctors » will be convinced? Like Rassman for example. How bald are you? If you are very bald then maybe it is easier to document . HMorHT is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
JJJ Jr. S 27.05.2012, 01:23 @ RockStarFromMars	I want to settle this!
	Great to hear from someone willing to take the initiative like that! I've actually been asking this exact question for some time now. My personal opinion: - Try to get Spencer Kobren involved. He's in contact with these hair transplant doctors, is very visible in the hair loss world, and has the platform through his radio show and forum to publicize your results. He said he would advocate in favour of HST if the evidence continues to come in. He also said he would possibly interview Gho soon and discuss the issue of conclusive proof with him. Maybe try to get in contact with Spencer on his forum since he reads it. We'll see if he lives up to his word, but the more people who demand this, the more pressure will be on him. - If it's possible, try to get an independent, third-party involved. A dermatologist may be a better option for this than a competing, rival hair transplant surgeon for example. The best possible combination is that you post the pictures online and get a third party to look at you so that we know there isn't any manipulation from either side. I'm not too sure exactly who as an independent third-party you could turn to, but maybe you can find someone close to you or maybe someone on this forum can suggest a place. I think the temporary, non-permanent tattoo that needhairasap suggested is a great idea. In the end the best piece of evidence are high-resolution, high-detail pictures of your donor and recipient areas where we can count the hairs before and after the procedure. A temporary tattoo is perfect to give us that reference to be able to do that exact hair-count analysis. This is the goal though guys. First we have to get the conclusive, indisputable proof. Only after we do that, can we start the campaign to get HST more widely-adopted as the new gold-standard for hair transplants. JJJ Jr. S is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
moopookoo 27.05.2012, 03:23 @ JJJ Jr. S	I want to settle this!
	Professionaly taken before and after photos,top notch Nikkon/Canon SLR camera. Shave your head before HT, get some pro photographer and explain to him that you want to document procedure.Take photos of day 1-15,20 and 30, get temporary tattoo and mark area 3cm by 5 cm or something similar. moopookoo is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
RockStarFromMars 27.05.2012, 07:07 @ moopookoo	I want to settle this!
	Thanks for all the answers! I'm not more than a nw2 with some thinning on the vertex. But how do you count individual hair instead of follicles? Can some visualize this for me? RockStarFromMars is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
hairman2 27.05.2012, 08:15 @ RockStarFromMars	I want to settle this!
	» Thanks for all the answers! » I'm not more than a nw2 with some thinning on the vertex. » But how do you count individual hair instead of follicles? Can some » visualize this for me? it is important that you have a hair count done in the recipient area, as well as in the donor area. Otherwise people will (rightfully) claim that it is an incomplete assessment. Don't listen to the people that claim that high quality photographs will be sufficient. I think for credibility sake it is important to get a third, independant party involved. hairman2 is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Iron_Man 27.05.2012, 08:25 @ RockStarFromMars	I want to settle this!
	» But how do you count individual hair instead of follicles? Can some » visualize this for me? Buy a cheap USB-handheld-video-microscope (~$60) ... http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-75784.html#p75784 ... as explained in this thread. It's easier to use and to handle (for a layman and by patients themselves) than any cameras - especially for making REAL close up photos AND videos and documentations. Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process … Post reply
Iron_Man 27.05.2012, 08:38 @ hairman2	I want to settle this!
	» it is important that you have a hair count done in the recipient area... Why don't you try to count your pubic hair? I mean those hairs you see 5 times a day. Really, try to count them! Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process … Post reply
RockStarFromMars 27.05.2012, 08:50 @ Iron_Man	I want to settle this!
	» » But how do you count individual hair instead of follicles? Can some » » visualize this for me? » » Buy a cheap USB-handheld-video-microscope (~$60) ... » » http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-75784.html#p75784 » » ... as explained in this thread. » It's easier to use and to handle (for a layman and by patients themselves) » than any cameras - especially for making REAL close up photos AND videos » and documentations. Ok. Seems like a great device. Which third party can I cooperate with, which also has a great deal of public credibility? I've already contacted Spencer, so I just have to wait for the response. And I also have a general question regarding the HST. If I become a NW4 and have a decent to great donor area, where can I expect to see myself on the Norwood scale with the help of HST, and with what kind of density? RockStarFromMars is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
abcxyz 27.05.2012, 13:06 @ RockStarFromMars	I want to settle this!
	Just do a small area, the larger the area the more difficult it is to prove. Do not more than 100 grafts on a very specific spot that can be marked or tattoo, same with both recipient and donor site. Even this is not easy to do, but that is the only way I can think of that is more objective than some of the so called "proof" posted in the forum. abcxyz is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- Rogaine foam + Propecia + Nizoral 1% + Lysine No longer use topical Dutas as of Nov 2007. Post reply
needhairasap 27.05.2012, 22:33 @ abcxyz	I want to settle this!
	» Just do a small area, the larger the area the more difficult it is to » prove. Do not more than 100 grafts on a very specific spot that can be » marked or tattoo, same with both recipient and donor site. Even this is » not easy to do, but that is the only way I can think of that is more » objective than some of the so called "proof" posted in the forum. it doesnt really matter how many grafts are taken from the spot, just that some are taken. The smaller the spot the better, the more grafts in the spot the better, however this isn't totally necessary for a proper analysis needhairasap is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
hairman2 29.05.2012, 04:51 @ RockStarFromMars	I want to settle this!
	» Ok. Seems like a great device. Which third party can I cooperate with, » which also has a great deal of public credibility? I've already contacted » Spencer, so I just have to wait for the response. If Spencer is genuinely interested in finding out the truth, then he should be willing to help organize the assessment. I, for one, hope he does. hairman2 is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
moawk Germany, 29.05.2012, 05:29 @ hairman2	I want to settle this!
	I wouldn't trust anybody on this one. Just do it yourself. Who knows what "3rd party" he will provide to evaluate you? Could be rassman in a hamster suit for all I know. moawk is located in GERMANY and he is available to meet: NO --- 1. Predicted the failure of replicel, months in advance. 2. Predicted how their stock would rise/drop even with exact numbers. 3. Predicted the wild claims and crazyness that gc83uk's donor regeneration will cause among the HT industry during this summer. Including rassman's opinion, Dr. Woods special patients and Pro hair clinic photos. 4. Predicted Gho will open up a clinic in asia. 5. No prediction on Histogen. Looks promising if they didn't fake results. 6. Predicted the only viable HM technique other than Gho would surface when hairs are: "generated through the appropriate cell populations" -Team Tokyo 2012 - Moawk Advice for patients: If you are considering a hair transplant, only consider Gho's HST and nothing else. First HT treatment in the world that offers: zero scarring, small downtime and donor regrowth. http://www.hasci.com Advice for Investors in HM: Invest in Team Tokyo. http://www.tsuji-lab.com/en/research/organ/hair.html Ditch replicel, aderans. They are done for and have no future. Post reply
needhairasap 29.05.2012, 11:01 @ moawk	I want to settle this!
	» I wouldn't trust anybody on this one. Just do it yourself. Who knows what » "3rd party" he will provide to evaluate you? » » Could be rassman in a hamster suit for all I know. I would choose a doctor not involved in cosmetic hair surgery. The 3rd party's profit or success should not be directly tied to the success or failure of HST... this way we can be sure of the truth of their opinion. for example, rassman would not be a good third party, albeit many people use his comments as verification HST doesnt work needhairasap is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
HisRage 29.05.2012, 11:12 @ needhairasap	I want to settle this!
	Dermatologist mate, visit a dermatologist and dont go to a competition clinic they will tell you anything. HisRage is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- Wanna know something about Dr Woods? http://www.hccc.nsw.gov.au/Publications/Media-Releases/Dr--Ray-Woods---reprimanded-and-conditions-imposed-by-Medical-Tribunal/default.aspx Or here : http://www.ripoffreport.com/directory/Dr-Ray-Woods.aspx Post reply
moopookoo 29.05.2012, 13:26 @ HisRage	I want to settle this!
	Someone who knows how to use pro camera, many gd ones on gumtree or crags list depending where you live, get someone local. If done right we can count every single hair and extraction. Of course engage dermatologist,not someone who can be biased. Engaging spencer is a must so he guides you, he is hard man to please moopookoo is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
HisRage 29.05.2012, 14:26 @ moopookoo	I want to settle this!
	Hey mate forget about Spencer he is a criminal mind. Just take a look at him and his gang HisRage is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- Wanna know something about Dr Woods? http://www.hccc.nsw.gov.au/Publications/Media-Releases/Dr--Ray-Woods---reprimanded-and-conditions-imposed-by-Medical-Tribunal/default.aspx Or here : http://www.ripoffreport.com/directory/Dr-Ray-Woods.aspx Post reply
moopookoo 29.05.2012, 17:57 @ HisRage	I want to settle this!
	» Hey mate forget about Spencer he is a criminal mind. Just take a look at » him and his gang wouldnt be surprised if merck pays him big $$$ to promote propecia, guy does not even have a problem or he had HT at some point. He cant be trusted. This is highly probable, something thats hard to prove but cant be ruled out moopookoo is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
jack1 30.05.2012, 16:08 @ moopookoo	I want to settle this!
	» » Hey mate forget about Spencer he is a criminal mind. Just take a look at » » him and his gang » » wouldnt be surprised if merck pays him big $$$ to promote propecia, guy » does not even have a problem or he had HT at some point. » He cant be trusted. This is highly probable, something thats hard to prove » but cant be ruled out He's never had a transplant he uses Dermmatch and propecia. He's said this many ties on his show. jack1 is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
James Bond 01.06.2012, 00:22 @ RockStarFromMars	I want to settle this!
	» 1. How should I move forward? » 2. How can I document it in such a way that even the must sceptical doctors » will be convinced? Like Rassman for example. Others have stated the main things (tattoos, high quality photos from exact angle and distance in before/after, you must also take detailed photos of the recipient area, etc.) However, it is extremely important you take photos of the grafts after they have been extracted (just snap some close-up photos of the grafts soaking in the culture medium awaiting implantation). Due to information I have gained through private discussions with Dr. Gho, without taking photos of the grafts, you are wasting your time attempting to prove HST works as claimed. James Bond is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
moawk Germany, 01.06.2012, 00:41 @ James Bond	I want to settle this!
	» » 1. How should I move forward? » » 2. How can I document it in such a way that even the must sceptical » doctors » » will be convinced? Like Rassman for example. » » Others have stated the main things (tattoos, high quality photos from exact » angle and distance in before/after, you must also take detailed photos of » the recipient area, etc.) However, it is extremely important you take » photos of the grafts after they have been extracted (just snap some » close-up photos of the grafts soaking in the culture medium awaiting » implantation). Due to information I have gained through private discussions » with Dr. Gho, without taking photos of the grafts, you are wasting your » time attempting to prove HST works as claimed. Hello james bond I am also interested in this. Can you explain what do you have to look out for in the grafts? How will this prove gho's procedure? i believe we already had pictures of the grafts in the culture medium, although they were not close. Iron Man also has pictures of a couple of Gho's grafts from gcs. moawk is located in GERMANY and he is available to meet: NO --- 1. Predicted the failure of replicel, months in advance. 2. Predicted how their stock would rise/drop even with exact numbers. 3. Predicted the wild claims and crazyness that gc83uk's donor regeneration will cause among the HT industry during this summer. Including rassman's opinion, Dr. Woods special patients and Pro hair clinic photos. 4. Predicted Gho will open up a clinic in asia. 5. No prediction on Histogen. Looks promising if they didn't fake results. 6. Predicted the only viable HM technique other than Gho would surface when hairs are: "generated through the appropriate cell populations" -Team Tokyo 2012 - Moawk Advice for patients: If you are considering a hair transplant, only consider Gho's HST and nothing else. First HT treatment in the world that offers: zero scarring, small downtime and donor regrowth. http://www.hasci.com Advice for Investors in HM: Invest in Team Tokyo. http://www.tsuji-lab.com/en/research/organ/hair.html Ditch replicel, aderans. They are done for and have no future. Post reply
Iron_Man 01.06.2012, 18:08 (edited by Iron_Man, 01.06.2012, 18:33) @ James Bond	I want to settle this!
	» Due to information I have gained through private discussions » with Dr. Gho, without taking photos of the grafts, you are wasting your » time attempting to prove HST works as claimed. After more than 10 years "Gho research", interviews, "private discussions" etc, I guess you still have absolutely NO CLUE what exactly you actually should see in such photos. I'm pretty sure that you can't even describe what exactly someone should see. Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process … Post reply