Hair Loss - 1500 FUE/SFET. 18 months later -Patient Np

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Dr Umar

Redondo Beach, California,
23.09.2007, 17:38
(edited by Dr Umar, 23.09.2007, 17:43)

1500 FUE/SFET. 18 months later -Patient Np (Hair Transplant)
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Please refer to this link for "before" and "immediately after" photos as well as discussion of his surgery.

Here are photos taken 3 days ago at the 18 month mark:

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S. Umar, M.D., FAAD
DermHair Clinic
Redondo Beach, California
+1-310-318-1500
1-877-DERMHAIR (US residents)
info@dermhairclinic.com
NEW WEBSITE www.dermhairclinic.com
Single Follicule Extraction & Transfer (SFET)
Using Head and Body hair

For more SFET-FUE and BHT results go to www.dermhairclinic.com

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marco

U.K,
23.09.2007, 17:49

@ Dr Umar
you forgot the link!!! N/T
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� Please refer to this link for "before" and "immediately after" photos as
� well as discussion of his surgery.
�
�

marco has 1 Personal Journal(s). Click here to view

Heliflyer50

23.09.2007, 17:53

@ Dr Umar
1500 FUE/SFET. 18 months later -Patient Np
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� Please refer to this link for "before" and "immediately after" photos as
� well as discussion of his surgery.
�
�
� Here are photos taken 3 days ago at the 18 month mark:
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� S. Umar, M.D., FAAD
� DermHair Clinic
� Redondo Beach, California
� +1-310-318-1500
� 1-877-DERMHAIR (US residents)
� info@dermhairclinic.com
� NEW WEBSITE www.dermhairclinic.com
� Single Follicule Extraction & Transfer (SFET)
� Using Head and Body hair
�
� For more SFET-FUE and BHT results go to www.dermhairclinic.com
�
� Post reply

Finally.

Now there's the TOP full view that I have been refering to that needs to be posted in all photographs.

Speaks for itself.

Dr Umar

Redondo Beach, California,
23.09.2007, 21:14

@ marco
Thank you Marco. Here is the link
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For some before surgery pics:

http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=12&topic_id=49515&mode=full

S. Umar, M.D., FAAD
DermHair Clinic
Redondo Beach, California
+1-310-318-1500
1-877-DERMHAIR (US residents)
info@dermhairclinic.com
NEW WEBSITE www.dermhairclinic.com
Single Follicule Extraction & Transfer (SFET)
Using Head and Body hair

For more SFET-FUE and BHT results go to www.dermhairclinic.com

therapy

23.09.2007, 22:48

@ Heliflyer50
1500 FUE/SFET. 18 months later -Patient Np
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� Finally.
�
� Now there's the TOP full view that I have been refering to that needs to
� be posted in all photographs.
�
� Speaks for itself.

You are kidding right? I see no improvement, he already had lots of hair on top in the before pic. Where is the improvement? I think lately many doctors are getting very sloppy with their pics. I am not impressed.

Heliflyer50

24.09.2007, 00:44

@ therapy
1500 FUE/SFET. 18 months later -Patient Np
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� � Finally.
� �
� � Now there's the TOP full view that I have been refering to that needs
� to
� � be posted in all photographs.
� �
� � Speaks for itself.
�
� You are kidding right? I see no improvement, he already had lots of hair
� on top in the before pic. Where is the improvement? I think lately many
� doctors are getting very sloppy with their pics. I am not impressed.

If you see no improvement you're blind.

Dr Umar

Redondo Beach, California,
24.09.2007, 02:45

@ therapy
1500 FUE/SFET. 18 months later -Patient Np
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� � Finally.
� �
� � Now there's the TOP full view that I have been refering to that needs
� to
� � be posted in all photographs.
� �
� � Speaks for itself.
�
� You are kidding right? I see no improvement, he already had lots of hair
� on top in the before pic. Where is the improvement? I think lately many
� doctors are getting very sloppy with their pics. I am not impressed.

http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=12&topic_id=49515&mode=full

In the before pictures, the patient has had to comb his hair forward to obscure his recession. 1200 SFET grafts later, this is not necessary. The improvement for the number of grafts is evident and the patient is ecstatic about this.

I present pictures without any attempt to manipulate. I do not have a horde in my employ dedicated to slick deceptive photography.

S. Umar, M.D., FAAD
DermHair Clinic
Redondo Beach, California
+1-310-318-1500
1-877-DERMHAIR (US residents)
info@dermhairclinic.com
NEW WEBSITE www.dermhairclinic.com
Single Follicule Extraction & Transfer (SFET)
Using Head and Body hair

For more SFET-FUE and BHT results go to www.dermhairclinic.com

Redman77

24.09.2007, 09:56

@ therapy
1500 FUE/SFET. 18 months later -Patient Np
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� � Finally.
� �
� � Now there's the TOP full view that I have been refering to that needs
� to
� � be posted in all photographs.
� �
� � Speaks for itself.
�
� You are kidding right? I see no improvement, he already had lots of hair
� on top in the before pic. Where is the improvement? I think lately many
� doctors are getting very sloppy with their pics. I am not impressed.

there's an improvement. it's minimal improvement but there is an improvement. that may be all the client wanted though.

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Mr. Frodo

24.09.2007, 10:31
(edited by Mr. Frodo, 24.09.2007, 10:39)

@ therapy
hair spray and gel
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Ha, talk about misleading pics, he put tons of hair spray and gel in the after shots to make the hair look thicker, Heliflyer you were screaming at the top of your lungs how hdc showed wet hair in the before pics, now this guy used similar tricks to enhance results and you said good work, ha intersting ! ;-) I smell a shill

Heliflyer50

24.09.2007, 12:10

@ Mr. Frodo
hair spray and gel
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� Ha, talk about misleading pics, he put tons of hair spray and gel in the
� after shots to make the hair look thicker, Heliflyer you were screaming at
� the top of your lungs how hdc showed wet hair in the before pics, now this
� guy used similar tricks to enhance results and you said good work, ha
� intersting ! ;-) I smell a shill

Wrong. Dr. Umar did not post WET pics of before.

It is more than obvious this man has more hair and better density in his after shots regardless of whether or not he used hair spray--which you nor anyone does not know for certain.

Bottom line is his hair is more plentiful and thicker in the after photos.

Mr. Frodo

24.09.2007, 12:23

@ Heliflyer50
hair spray and gel
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� Wrong. Dr. Umar did not post WET pics of before.
�
� It is more than obvious this man has more hair and better density in his
� after shots regardless of whether or not he used hair spray--which you nor
� anyone does not know for certain.
�
� Bottom line is his hair is more plentiful and thicker in the after photos.

Are you for real? Posting after pics with hair spray and gel is just as guilty as posting wet before pics. Not only that, I dont see before pics showing the same frontal hairline brushed back. The angles are all different between the before and after shots. How the hell did you conclude that this is good work ?

thegreek

24.09.2007, 13:48

@ Mr. Frodo
hair spray and gel
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I dnt see the improvement also the guy had way 2 much hair before...they are just styles differently and gel does wonders to make the native hair and transplanted look the same in regards to texture.Its something that guys with lot of native hair can do to avoid the texture differences...to real hairloss sufferers gel is out of the question

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therapy

24.09.2007, 13:48
(edited by therapy, 24.09.2007, 14:08)

@ Heliflyer50
hair spray and gel
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Heli, you made so much noise about HDC posting wet pics of before, rightfully so in my opinion, but now when the table is turned, you are trying to weasel out of this and suggest that it is acceptable to thicken the hair with hair spray in the after pics, such double standards. Why playing favorites with one doctor over the other?

You say "bottom line is his hair is more plentiful and thicker in the after photos", you know what, the same can be said about HDC pics too.

therapy

24.09.2007, 13:50

@ Heliflyer50
1500 FUE/SFET. 18 months later -Patient Np
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� If you see no improvement you're blind.

How could you or anyone see improvement? You can't even compare the before and after pictures in the same context.

Heliflyer50

24.09.2007, 14:23

@ therapy
hair spray and gel
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� Heli, you made so much noise about HDC posting wet pics of before,
� rightfully so in my opinion, but now when the table is turned, you are
� trying to weasel out of this and suggest that it is acceptable to thicken
� the hair with hair spray in the after pics, such double standards. Why
� playing favorites with one doctor over the other?
�
� You say "bottom line is his hair is more plentiful and thicker in the
� after photos", you know what, the same can be said about HDC pics too.

You may say you could say the same about the photos of HDC, but until HDC posts full top views in the same lighting conditions I think we have an arugument as to why they don't do it.

The photos posted by Dr. Umar are of a full top view of the head in the same lighting conditions. Futher, he did not post WET before and DRY after.

Some are saying that the improvement is not that evident. I disagree. There is an obvious improvement for the number of grafts. Additonally, it is obvious that with before photos being of dry hair, as opposed to wet hair, the perceived improvement is not going to be as dramatic that it would be when someone posts before WET shots and then you compare them to after Dry shots.

You understand it now?

therapy

24.09.2007, 14:31
(edited by therapy, 24.09.2007, 14:36)

@ Heliflyer50
hair spray and gel
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This should be more appropriately labled as BEFORE HAIR SPRAY, and AFTER HAIR SPRAY. Heli said there is big improvement, please post a reply here if you think so. I don't see any difference.

If you want to compare, at least comb the hair in the same direction.

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Heliflyer50

24.09.2007, 14:50
(edited by Heliflyer50, 24.09.2007, 14:59)

@ therapy
hair spray and gel
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� This should be more appropriately labled as BEFORE HAIR SPRAY, and AFTER
� HAIR SPRAY. Heli said there is big improvement, please post a reply here
� if you think so. I don't see any difference.
�
� If you want to compare, at least comb the hair in the same direction.
�
�
� before
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� after
� [image]

Dr. Umar has already explained what I believe to be the reason this man's hair is combed back in the second photo; the man used to have to comb his hair forward and wear it longer to mask his frontal thinning. The second photo clearly shows that the front has added density and this man no longer has to comb his hair forward to mask the thinning.

This man received a good and expected result for the number of grafts, and his pictures were presented to the forum in the same lighting conditions, will full top views, and they were not presented with WET before and DRY afterwards.

I think that speaks for itself.

ipod

24.09.2007, 14:53

@ Heliflyer50
hair spray and gel
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Honestly I don't see any difference. How many grafts did he have on top?

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Mr. Frodo

24.09.2007, 15:12

@ Heliflyer50
I understand now
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� You understand it now?

I understand now, I understand that you are full of crap! How about some before and after pics with NO HAIRSPRAY OR GEL? If this is acceptable to you, you might as well use toppik for the after pics , geez !

So wet hair in the before shot is prohibited but hair spray and gel is acceptable for the after shot? Gimme a break. You have no credibility. The more you post the more you make Umar look bad.

Heliflyer50

24.09.2007, 15:30

@ Mr. Frodo
I understand now
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� � You understand it now?
�
� I understand now, I understand that you are full of crap! How about some
� before and after pics with NO HAIRSPRAY OR GEL? If this is acceptable to
� you, you might as well use toppik for the after pics , geez !
�
� So wet hair in the before shot is prohibited but hair spray and gel is
� acceptable for the after shot? Gimme a break. You have no credibility.
� The more you post the more you make Umar look bad.

When you learn to construct a complete sentence and to use proper punctuation you may be taken more seriously.

I suggest that you slow down, take a couple of deep breaths, and make sure you have accurately read and completely understood what I have posted before you further embarrass yourself by attempting to refute points that I have never made;

I never posted that pictures of before wet hair photographs were "prohibited," and I have not posted one sentence relating to this thread in regards to "hairsprays or gels."

The more you post, Mr. Frodo, the more you make yourself look bad!

Mr. Frodo

24.09.2007, 15:37
(edited by Mr. Frodo, 24.09.2007, 15:44)

@ Heliflyer50
hair spray and gel
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� Dr. Umar has already explained what I believe to be the reason this man's
� hair is combed back in the second photo; the man used to have to comb his
� hair forward and wear it longer to mask his frontal thinning. The second
� photo clearly shows that the front has added density and this man no
� longer has to comb his hair forward to mask the thinning.

This is very deceptive, you are trying to convince us to compare apples and oranges. And why are you trying so hard to defend this? Do you work for Dr. Umar? Why can't Dr.Umar answer the questions? You need to show the money shot with the hairline brushed back in both the before and the after, and no hairspray in either, only then can we judge the results. What I see is just camera tricks with different before and after angles, hairspray, hair brushed in opposite direction etc to confuse everyone.

Mr. Frodo

24.09.2007, 15:43

@ Heliflyer50
I understand now
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I am convinced you are a shill for Umar, you are the one who screamed at the top of your lungs whining how hdc is misleading everyone showing the hair wet, now you are trying to convince everyone that it is ok to use hairspray in the after shot, just because the focus s now on the doc that you are cheerleading for, hypocrite, you have no credibility ! Hairsite please check this guys' ip.

Heliflyer50

24.09.2007, 16:07
(edited by Heliflyer50, 24.09.2007, 16:16)

@ Mr. Frodo
I understand now
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� I am convinced you are a shill for Umar, you are the one who screamed at
� the top of your lungs whining how hdc is misleading everyone showing the
� hair wet, now you are trying to convince everyone that it is ok to use
� hairspray in the after shot, just because the focus s now on the doc that
� you are cheerleading for, hypocrite, you have no credibility ! Hairsite
� please check this guys' ip.

Once again you have proven each and every point that I brought forward in my last post to you. You cannot type a complete sentence, your English punctuation is atroucious, your falculties relating to reading, comprehending, and interpreting what you read are non-existant, and as a result, you continue to embarrass yourself.

You also did not address the facts that you insinuated in your post that I claimed using wet before shots was "prohibited," and that I made reference one way or the other to using hairsprays or gels.

I have merely posted my opinions of different photographs as everyone else on the forum, and you unfairly attacked me. Everyones' opinion is not going to be the same, and I respect others' opinions as such. I am a "shill" for no one. You making that claim is equivalent to me saying because you didn't agree with my opinions on the HDC photographs, that you are a "shill" for them.

When you can challenge me with some credibility and keep the questions or challenges on topic, and when they pertain to things I have actually posted, I will entertain you with further replies.

Have a great day.

Mr. Frodo

24.09.2007, 16:15

@ Heliflyer50
I understand now
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ha, i guess you cant answer my questions so now you have to talk about something else other than the poor pics presented in the thread, I understand, The fact that you are trying so hard to defend these pics says it all. Heliflyer exposed ! SHILL !

Jorge1977

24.09.2007, 16:24

@ Mr. Frodo
I understand now
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� ha, i guess you cant answer my questions so now you have to talk about
� something else other than the poor pics presented in the thread, I
� understand, The fact that you are trying so hard to defend these pics
� says it all. Heliflyer exposed ! SHILL !

I see no difference in these pics. Atleast the guy didn't have any shock loss though.

HairSite

24.09.2007, 23:24

@ Mr. Frodo
I understand now
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You need to go further back into the archives for the BEFORE pics you requested.

I suspect this is one of the BEFORE shots you are asking for:

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Try this link for more BEFORE pics,
http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=12&topic_id=43706&mode=full

also this one
http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=12&topic_id=35461&mode=full

Dr Umar Redondo Beach, California, 23.09.2007, 17:38 (edited by Dr Umar, 23.09.2007, 17:43)	1500 FUE/SFET. 18 months later -Patient Np (Hair Transplant) Post reply
	Please refer to this link for "before" and "immediately after" photos as well as discussion of his surgery. Here are photos taken 3 days ago at the 18 month mark: S. Umar, M.D., FAAD DermHair Clinic Redondo Beach, California +1-310-318-1500 1-877-DERMHAIR (US residents) info@dermhairclinic.com NEW WEBSITE www.dermhairclinic.com Single Follicule Extraction & Transfer (SFET) Using Head and Body hair For more SFET-FUE and BHT results go to www.dermhairclinic.com Post reply
marco U.K, 23.09.2007, 17:49 @ Dr Umar	you forgot the link!!! N/T Post reply
	� Please refer to this link for "before" and "immediately after" photos as � well as discussion of his surgery. � � marco has 1 Personal Journal(s). Click here to view
Heliflyer50 23.09.2007, 17:53 @ Dr Umar	1500 FUE/SFET. 18 months later -Patient Np Post reply
	� Please refer to this link for "before" and "immediately after" photos as � well as discussion of his surgery. � � � Here are photos taken 3 days ago at the 18 month mark: � � � � � � � � � � � � � � S. Umar, M.D., FAAD � DermHair Clinic � Redondo Beach, California � +1-310-318-1500 � 1-877-DERMHAIR (US residents) � info@dermhairclinic.com � NEW WEBSITE www.dermhairclinic.com � Single Follicule Extraction & Transfer (SFET) � Using Head and Body hair � � For more SFET-FUE and BHT results go to www.dermhairclinic.com � � Post reply Finally. Now there's the TOP full view that I have been refering to that needs to be posted in all photographs. Speaks for itself.
Dr Umar Redondo Beach, California, 23.09.2007, 21:14 @ marco	Thank you Marco. Here is the link Post reply
	For some before surgery pics: http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=12&topic_id=49515&mode=full S. Umar, M.D., FAAD DermHair Clinic Redondo Beach, California +1-310-318-1500 1-877-DERMHAIR (US residents) info@dermhairclinic.com NEW WEBSITE www.dermhairclinic.com Single Follicule Extraction & Transfer (SFET) Using Head and Body hair For more SFET-FUE and BHT results go to www.dermhairclinic.com
therapy 23.09.2007, 22:48 @ Heliflyer50	1500 FUE/SFET. 18 months later -Patient Np Post reply
	� Finally. � � Now there's the TOP full view that I have been refering to that needs to � be posted in all photographs. � � Speaks for itself. You are kidding right? I see no improvement, he already had lots of hair on top in the before pic. Where is the improvement? I think lately many doctors are getting very sloppy with their pics. I am not impressed.
Heliflyer50 24.09.2007, 00:44 @ therapy	1500 FUE/SFET. 18 months later -Patient Np Post reply
	� � Finally. � � � � Now there's the TOP full view that I have been refering to that needs � to � � be posted in all photographs. � � � � Speaks for itself. � � You are kidding right? I see no improvement, he already had lots of hair � on top in the before pic. Where is the improvement? I think lately many � doctors are getting very sloppy with their pics. I am not impressed. If you see no improvement you're blind.
Dr Umar Redondo Beach, California, 24.09.2007, 02:45 @ therapy	1500 FUE/SFET. 18 months later -Patient Np Post reply
	� � Finally. � � � � Now there's the TOP full view that I have been refering to that needs � to � � be posted in all photographs. � � � � Speaks for itself. � � You are kidding right? I see no improvement, he already had lots of hair � on top in the before pic. Where is the improvement? I think lately many � doctors are getting very sloppy with their pics. I am not impressed. http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=12&topic_id=49515&mode=full In the before pictures, the patient has had to comb his hair forward to obscure his recession. 1200 SFET grafts later, this is not necessary. The improvement for the number of grafts is evident and the patient is ecstatic about this. I present pictures without any attempt to manipulate. I do not have a horde in my employ dedicated to slick deceptive photography. S. Umar, M.D., FAAD DermHair Clinic Redondo Beach, California +1-310-318-1500 1-877-DERMHAIR (US residents) info@dermhairclinic.com NEW WEBSITE www.dermhairclinic.com Single Follicule Extraction & Transfer (SFET) Using Head and Body hair For more SFET-FUE and BHT results go to www.dermhairclinic.com
Redman77 24.09.2007, 09:56 @ therapy	1500 FUE/SFET. 18 months later -Patient Np Post reply
	� � Finally. � � � � Now there's the TOP full view that I have been refering to that needs � to � � be posted in all photographs. � � � � Speaks for itself. � � You are kidding right? I see no improvement, he already had lots of hair � on top in the before pic. Where is the improvement? I think lately many � doctors are getting very sloppy with their pics. I am not impressed. there's an improvement. it's minimal improvement but there is an improvement. that may be all the client wanted though. --- Maxi Hair Mega Men Multivitamin Fish Oils Rogaine Foam American Crew Folligen Cream Nizoral Shampoo
Mr. Frodo 24.09.2007, 10:31 (edited by Mr. Frodo, 24.09.2007, 10:39) @ therapy	hair spray and gel Post reply
	Ha, talk about misleading pics, he put tons of hair spray and gel in the after shots to make the hair look thicker, Heliflyer you were screaming at the top of your lungs how hdc showed wet hair in the before pics, now this guy used similar tricks to enhance results and you said good work, ha intersting ! I smell a shill
Heliflyer50 24.09.2007, 12:10 @ Mr. Frodo	hair spray and gel Post reply
	� Ha, talk about misleading pics, he put tons of hair spray and gel in the � after shots to make the hair look thicker, Heliflyer you were screaming at � the top of your lungs how hdc showed wet hair in the before pics, now this � guy used similar tricks to enhance results and you said good work, ha � intersting ! I smell a shill Wrong. Dr. Umar did not post WET pics of before. It is more than obvious this man has more hair and better density in his after shots regardless of whether or not he used hair spray--which you nor anyone does not know for certain. Bottom line is his hair is more plentiful and thicker in the after photos.
Mr. Frodo 24.09.2007, 12:23 @ Heliflyer50	hair spray and gel Post reply
	� Wrong. Dr. Umar did not post WET pics of before. � � It is more than obvious this man has more hair and better density in his � after shots regardless of whether or not he used hair spray--which you nor � anyone does not know for certain. � � Bottom line is his hair is more plentiful and thicker in the after photos. Are you for real? Posting after pics with hair spray and gel is just as guilty as posting wet before pics. Not only that, I dont see before pics showing the same frontal hairline brushed back. The angles are all different between the before and after shots. How the hell did you conclude that this is good work ?
thegreek 24.09.2007, 13:48 @ Mr. Frodo	hair spray and gel Post reply
	I dnt see the improvement also the guy had way 2 much hair before...they are just styles differently and gel does wonders to make the native hair and transplanted look the same in regards to texture.Its something that guys with lot of native hair can do to avoid the texture differences...to real hairloss sufferers gel is out of the question thegreek has 1 Personal Journal(s). Click here to view
therapy 24.09.2007, 13:48 (edited by therapy, 24.09.2007, 14:08) @ Heliflyer50	hair spray and gel Post reply
	Heli, you made so much noise about HDC posting wet pics of before, rightfully so in my opinion, but now when the table is turned, you are trying to weasel out of this and suggest that it is acceptable to thicken the hair with hair spray in the after pics, such double standards. Why playing favorites with one doctor over the other? You say "bottom line is his hair is more plentiful and thicker in the after photos", you know what, the same can be said about HDC pics too.
therapy 24.09.2007, 13:50 @ Heliflyer50	1500 FUE/SFET. 18 months later -Patient Np Post reply
	� If you see no improvement you're blind. How could you or anyone see improvement? You can't even compare the before and after pictures in the same context.
Heliflyer50 24.09.2007, 14:23 @ therapy	hair spray and gel Post reply
	� Heli, you made so much noise about HDC posting wet pics of before, � rightfully so in my opinion, but now when the table is turned, you are � trying to weasel out of this and suggest that it is acceptable to thicken � the hair with hair spray in the after pics, such double standards. Why � playing favorites with one doctor over the other? � � You say "bottom line is his hair is more plentiful and thicker in the � after photos", you know what, the same can be said about HDC pics too. You may say you could say the same about the photos of HDC, but until HDC posts full top views in the same lighting conditions I think we have an arugument as to why they don't do it. The photos posted by Dr. Umar are of a full top view of the head in the same lighting conditions. Futher, he did not post WET before and DRY after. Some are saying that the improvement is not that evident. I disagree. There is an obvious improvement for the number of grafts. Additonally, it is obvious that with before photos being of dry hair, as opposed to wet hair, the perceived improvement is not going to be as dramatic that it would be when someone posts before WET shots and then you compare them to after Dry shots. You understand it now?
therapy 24.09.2007, 14:31 (edited by therapy, 24.09.2007, 14:36) @ Heliflyer50	hair spray and gel Post reply
	This should be more appropriately labled as BEFORE HAIR SPRAY, and AFTER HAIR SPRAY. Heli said there is big improvement, please post a reply here if you think so. I don't see any difference. If you want to compare, at least comb the hair in the same direction. before after
Heliflyer50 24.09.2007, 14:50 (edited by Heliflyer50, 24.09.2007, 14:59) @ therapy	hair spray and gel Post reply
	� This should be more appropriately labled as BEFORE HAIR SPRAY, and AFTER � HAIR SPRAY. Heli said there is big improvement, please post a reply here � if you think so. I don't see any difference. � � If you want to compare, at least comb the hair in the same direction. � � � before � � � after � Dr. Umar has already explained what I believe to be the reason this man's hair is combed back in the second photo; the man used to have to comb his hair forward and wear it longer to mask his frontal thinning. The second photo clearly shows that the front has added density and this man no longer has to comb his hair forward to mask the thinning. This man received a good and expected result for the number of grafts, and his pictures were presented to the forum in the same lighting conditions, will full top views, and they were not presented with WET before and DRY afterwards. I think that speaks for itself.
ipod 24.09.2007, 14:53 @ Heliflyer50	hair spray and gel Post reply
	Honestly I don't see any difference. How many grafts did he have on top? --- NW3 - Propecia /Saw Palmetto Topical Spiro / Rogaine Foam (quit REMOX IV) High does vitamin C / Lysine / Nizoral / Tea Tree Oil Shampoo
Mr. Frodo 24.09.2007, 15:12 @ Heliflyer50	I understand now Post reply
	� You understand it now? I understand now, I understand that you are full of crap! How about some before and after pics with NO HAIRSPRAY OR GEL? If this is acceptable to you, you might as well use toppik for the after pics , geez ! So wet hair in the before shot is prohibited but hair spray and gel is acceptable for the after shot? Gimme a break. You have no credibility. The more you post the more you make Umar look bad.
Heliflyer50 24.09.2007, 15:30 @ Mr. Frodo	I understand now Post reply
	� � You understand it now? � � I understand now, I understand that you are full of crap! How about some � before and after pics with NO HAIRSPRAY OR GEL? If this is acceptable to � you, you might as well use toppik for the after pics , geez ! � � So wet hair in the before shot is prohibited but hair spray and gel is � acceptable for the after shot? Gimme a break. You have no credibility. � The more you post the more you make Umar look bad. When you learn to construct a complete sentence and to use proper punctuation you may be taken more seriously. I suggest that you slow down, take a couple of deep breaths, and make sure you have accurately read and completely understood what I have posted before you further embarrass yourself by attempting to refute points that I have never made; I never posted that pictures of before wet hair photographs were "prohibited," and I have not posted one sentence relating to this thread in regards to "hairsprays or gels." The more you post, Mr. Frodo, the more you make yourself look bad!
Mr. Frodo 24.09.2007, 15:37 (edited by Mr. Frodo, 24.09.2007, 15:44) @ Heliflyer50	hair spray and gel Post reply
	� Dr. Umar has already explained what I believe to be the reason this man's � hair is combed back in the second photo; the man used to have to comb his � hair forward and wear it longer to mask his frontal thinning. The second � photo clearly shows that the front has added density and this man no � longer has to comb his hair forward to mask the thinning. This is very deceptive, you are trying to convince us to compare apples and oranges. And why are you trying so hard to defend this? Do you work for Dr. Umar? Why can't Dr.Umar answer the questions? You need to show the money shot with the hairline brushed back in both the before and the after, and no hairspray in either, only then can we judge the results. What I see is just camera tricks with different before and after angles, hairspray, hair brushed in opposite direction etc to confuse everyone.
Mr. Frodo 24.09.2007, 15:43 @ Heliflyer50	I understand now Post reply
	I am convinced you are a shill for Umar, you are the one who screamed at the top of your lungs whining how hdc is misleading everyone showing the hair wet, now you are trying to convince everyone that it is ok to use hairspray in the after shot, just because the focus s now on the doc that you are cheerleading for, hypocrite, you have no credibility ! Hairsite please check this guys' ip.
Heliflyer50 24.09.2007, 16:07 (edited by Heliflyer50, 24.09.2007, 16:16) @ Mr. Frodo	I understand now Post reply
	� I am convinced you are a shill for Umar, you are the one who screamed at � the top of your lungs whining how hdc is misleading everyone showing the � hair wet, now you are trying to convince everyone that it is ok to use � hairspray in the after shot, just because the focus s now on the doc that � you are cheerleading for, hypocrite, you have no credibility ! Hairsite � please check this guys' ip. Once again you have proven each and every point that I brought forward in my last post to you. You cannot type a complete sentence, your English punctuation is atroucious, your falculties relating to reading, comprehending, and interpreting what you read are non-existant, and as a result, you continue to embarrass yourself. You also did not address the facts that you insinuated in your post that I claimed using wet before shots was "prohibited," and that I made reference one way or the other to using hairsprays or gels. I have merely posted my opinions of different photographs as everyone else on the forum, and you unfairly attacked me. Everyones' opinion is not going to be the same, and I respect others' opinions as such. I am a "shill" for no one. You making that claim is equivalent to me saying because you didn't agree with my opinions on the HDC photographs, that you are a "shill" for them. When you can challenge me with some credibility and keep the questions or challenges on topic, and when they pertain to things I have actually posted, I will entertain you with further replies. Have a great day.
Mr. Frodo 24.09.2007, 16:15 @ Heliflyer50	I understand now Post reply
	ha, i guess you cant answer my questions so now you have to talk about something else other than the poor pics presented in the thread, I understand, The fact that you are trying so hard to defend these pics says it all. Heliflyer exposed ! SHILL !
Jorge1977 24.09.2007, 16:24 @ Mr. Frodo	I understand now Post reply
	� ha, i guess you cant answer my questions so now you have to talk about � something else other than the poor pics presented in the thread, I � understand, The fact that you are trying so hard to defend these pics � says it all. Heliflyer exposed ! SHILL ! I see no difference in these pics. Atleast the guy didn't have any shock loss though.
HairSite 24.09.2007, 23:24 @ Mr. Frodo	I understand now Post reply
	You need to go further back into the archives for the BEFORE pics you requested. I suspect this is one of the BEFORE shots you are asking for: Try this link for more BEFORE pics, http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=12&topic_id=43706&mode=full also this one http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=12&topic_id=35461&mode=full

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