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BHRClinic   Brussels, Belgium, 19.12.2007, 08:42	5928 One Session FUT 0-9 BHR Clinic, Dr Bisanga (Hair Transplant) Post reply
	Dr c. Bisanga 5928 FUT/Trichophytic 0 to 9 months Grafts single hairs - 1185 Grafts double hairs 2786 Grafts triple hairs 1601 Grafts quad hairs 237 Grafts quintet hairs 119 You can see post op, immediately post op, 3,4,7 & 9 months post of growth BEFORE/PRE OP POST OP 5928 GRAFTS FUT & DONOR AREA THREE MONTHS PROGRESSION & HEALING FOUR MONTHS PROGRESSION & HEALING SEVEN MONTHS SHORT HAIR DONOR & HAIR LINE PULLED UP NINE MONTHS POST OP 5928 FUT BHRClinic is located in BRUSSELS, BELGIUM and he is available to meet: YES email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting. --- Philb BHR Clinic info@bhrclinic.com www.bhrclinic.com
HanginInThere Somewhere, 19.12.2007, 17:14 @ BHRClinic	why call it FUT this is strip Post reply
	and the strip scar is horrendous HanginInThere is located in SOMEWHERE and he is available to meet: NO --- Hangin Regimen........... Maxi Hair by Country Life 2/day Kal Amino Max ..Chelated Multi Mineral..2/day DHT blockers (daily intake) Saw Palmetto, 320mg Standardized Pygeum 500mg Nettles 500mg Beta Sitosterol 125mg 2% Nizoral Cream Topically Nightly,,,after Shampoo
coolguy 19.12.2007, 17:58 @ HanginInThere	why call it FUT this is strip Post reply
	» and the strip scar is horrendous FUT = STRIP.... coolguy is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
HanginInThere Somewhere, 19.12.2007, 18:40 @ coolguy	why call it FUT this is strip Post reply
	» » and the strip scar is horrendous » » FUT = STRIP.... yes it may be ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but to me there are only two methods........FUE or strip both are implanted one by one calling strip FUT, is confusing, and i think it is intentional to make it sound like its similar to FUE the implantation of the hair is virtually the same with both methods, the difference is the extraction, either you do it one by one, FUE or, you cut a STRIP out calling strip what it is.............strip...............should be required by hairsite , in the titles HanginInThere is located in SOMEWHERE and he is available to meet: NO --- Hangin Regimen........... Maxi Hair by Country Life 2/day Kal Amino Max ..Chelated Multi Mineral..2/day DHT blockers (daily intake) Saw Palmetto, 320mg Standardized Pygeum 500mg Nettles 500mg Beta Sitosterol 125mg 2% Nizoral Cream Topically Nightly,,,after Shampoo
BHRClinic   Brussels, Belgium, 19.12.2007, 18:54 @ HanginInThere	Because FUT = Strip Post reply
	» » » and the strip scar is horrendous » » » » FUT = STRIP.... » » yes it may be ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but to me there are only two » methods........FUE or strip » » both are implanted one by one » » calling strip FUT, is confusing, and i think it is intentional to make it » sound like its similar to FUE » » the implantation of the hair is virtually the same with both methods, the » difference is the extraction, either you do it one by one, FUE or, you cut » a STRIP out » » calling strip what it is.............strip...............should be » required by hairsite , in the titles Hanginthere, There is no misinterpretation or misrepresentation made or intended, FUT is a very common term for the procedure as is the word Strip, the fact that it was followed by Trichopytic Closure, shows the suture immediately post op probably makes it quite obvious what technique was used. The fact the we offer both procedures and do not lean one way or the other we have no reason to represent any technique as another. BHRClinic is located in BRUSSELS, BELGIUM and he is available to meet: YES email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting. --- Philb BHR Clinic info@bhrclinic.com www.bhrclinic.com
jotronic   19.12.2007, 18:59 @ HanginInThere	why call it FUT this is strip Post reply
	If you knew your history you'd know that FUT has been the reference for the latest strip technique for many years and way before FUE was being practiced by all save for Dr. Woods. FUT stands for "follicular unit transplantation" and it is an acronym to separate the technique from mini/micros. I don't think the reference will be changed because something new has come along and to be clear, FUE sounds like FUT, not the other way around. jotronic is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- Joe Tillman aka, Jotronic Hasson & Wong www.hassonandwong.com www.hairtransplanttv.com Joe@HassonandWong.com 1.800.859.2266 The Truth Is In The Results 7917 FU Grafts
marco U.K, 19.12.2007, 19:30 @ jotronic	why call it FUT this is strip Post reply
	» If you knew your history you'd know that FUT has been the reference for the » latest strip technique for many years and way before FUE was being » practiced by all save for Dr. Woods. FUT stands for "follicular unit » transplantation" and it is an acronym to separate the technique from » mini/micros. I don't think the reference will be changed because something » new has come along and to be clear, FUE sounds like FUT, not the other way » around. You beat me to it joe. I think this result is interesting. BHR has taken the recipient area down a litttle in the frontal zone to include an earea of early miniturization and I think this is a good option that I am unaware is practiced by any other clinics. All the same it is dissapointing that a fairly large untuched crown relains even with 6000 fu extractd=ed. I apreciate that this will / can be managed in further procedures. Personally I would opt for a thinner look including the crown but BHR may be in the camp that prefers not to revisit an area. I think the strip scar is "usual" but shows trico closure is not a gurentee of an "invisible" line. Good work BHR. marco has 1 Personal Journal(s). Click here to view marco is located in U.K and he is available to meet: NO
BHRClinic   Brussels, Belgium, 19.12.2007, 20:10 @ marco	why call it FUT this is strip Post reply
	» I think this result is interesting. BHR has taken the recipient area down » a litttle in the frontal zone to include an earea of early miniturization » and I think this is a good option that I am unaware is practiced by any » other clinics. All the same it is dissapointing that a fairly large » untuched crown relains even with 6000 fu extractd=ed. I apreciate that » this will / can be managed in further procedures. Personally I would opt » for a thinner look including the crown but BHR may be in the camp that » prefers not to revisit an area. I think the strip scar is "usual" but » shows trico closure is not a gurentee of an "invisible" line. Good work » BHR. marco, It was very deliberate to bite into a early miniaturised area, he is a NW6 and a very good chance the perimeter will recede down,so we have a responsibility to ensure that if he decides on stopping now his procedure stands on its own. As far as density and coverage is concerned it was discussed at the consultation and decided that quality was better than quality for him. That said he is lucky because he still has a good donor and can expect another 2000-2500 FU without pushing the limits and this will still give a great result from NW6 to finish. As far as invisible closure is concerned, forget it, if that is what you expect from a FUT or a transplant generally do not have one, especially when you talk big numbers. A good closure will certainly allow you options with a hair cut an allow you to keep it short, but it has to be remembered that when you remove 6000 there has to be a trade, and invisible closure is one of them. BHRClinic is located in BRUSSELS, BELGIUM and he is available to meet: YES email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting. --- Philb BHR Clinic info@bhrclinic.com www.bhrclinic.com
mwinston 19.12.2007, 20:22 @ BHRClinic	why call it FUT this is strip Post reply
	» » I think this result is interesting. BHR has taken the recipient area » down » » a litttle in the frontal zone to include an earea of early » miniturization » » and I think this is a good option that I am unaware is practiced by any » » other clinics. All the same it is dissapointing that a fairly large » » untuched crown relains even with 6000 fu extractd=ed. I apreciate that » » this will / can be managed in further procedures. Personally I would » opt » » for a thinner look including the crown but BHR may be in the camp that » » prefers not to revisit an area. I think the strip scar is "usual" but » » shows trico closure is not a gurentee of an "invisible" line. Good work » » BHR. » » marco, » » It was very deliberate to bite into a early miniaturised area, he is a NW6 » and a very good chance the perimeter will recede down,so we have a » responsibility to ensure that if he decides on stopping now his procedure » stands on its own. » » As far as density and coverage is concerned it was discussed at the » consultation and decided that quality was better than quality for him. » That said he is lucky because he still has a good donor and can expect » another 2000-2500 FU without pushing the limits and this will still give a » great result from NW6 to finish. » » As far as invisible closure is concerned, forget it, if that is what you » expect from a FUT or a transplant generally do not have one, especially » when you talk big numbers. A good closure will certainly allow you options » with a hair cut an allow you to keep it short, but it has to be remembered » that when you remove 6000 there has to be a trade, and invisible closure » is one of them. I see FUT but what would any other performed surgery be called at the clinic? mwinston is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
BHRClinic   Brussels, Belgium, 19.12.2007, 20:46 @ mwinston	why call it FUT this is strip Post reply
	» » » I think this result is interesting. BHR has taken the recipient area » » down » » » a litttle in the frontal zone to include an earea of early » » miniturization » » » and I think this is a good option that I am unaware is practiced by » any » » » other clinics. All the same it is dissapointing that a fairly large » » » untuched crown relains even with 6000 fu extractd=ed. I apreciate » that » » » this will / can be managed in further procedures. Personally I would » » opt » » » for a thinner look including the crown but BHR may be in the camp » that » » » prefers not to revisit an area. I think the strip scar is "usual" but » » » shows trico closure is not a gurentee of an "invisible" line. Good » work » » » BHR. » » » » marco, » » » » It was very deliberate to bite into a early miniaturised area, he is a » NW6 » » and a very good chance the perimeter will recede down,so we have a » » responsibility to ensure that if he decides on stopping now his » procedure » » stands on its own. » » » » As far as density and coverage is concerned it was discussed at the » » consultation and decided that quality was better than quality for him. » » That said he is lucky because he still has a good donor and can expect » » another 2000-2500 FU without pushing the limits and this will still give » a » » great result from NW6 to finish. » » » » As far as invisible closure is concerned, forget it, if that is what » you » » expect from a FUT or a transplant generally do not have one, especially » » when you talk big numbers. A good closure will certainly allow you » options » » with a hair cut an allow you to keep it short, but it has to be » remembered » » that when you remove 6000 there has to be a trade, and invisible » closure » » is one of them. » » I see FUT but what would any other performed surgery be called at the » clinic? De ja vous? There seems to be a great interest in names tonight, so to clarify those that seem to have a concern, feel it is a problem, or for newbies. FUT is an acronym for Follicular Unit Transfer, sometimes called Strip; it refers to the technique whereby a linear strip is incised from the donor area, the width and length can alter depend on the many aspects. A newer form of extraction is FUE, I believe there are varients on this that use larger punches, greater scarring and splitting FU, but basically it is meant to assume the removal of a follicular unit opposed to a larger group of follicular units like FUT. If more explanation is required please let me know BHRClinic is located in BRUSSELS, BELGIUM and he is available to meet: YES email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting. --- Philb BHR Clinic info@bhrclinic.com www.bhrclinic.com
HanginInThere Somewhere, 19.12.2007, 21:21 @ BHRClinic	why call it FUT this is strip Post reply
	» » » » I think this result is interesting. BHR has taken the recipient area » » » down » » » » a litttle in the frontal zone to include an earea of early » » » miniturization » » » » and I think this is a good option that I am unaware is practiced by » » any » » » » other clinics. All the same it is dissapointing that a fairly large » » » » untuched crown relains even with 6000 fu extractd=ed. I apreciate » » that » » » » this will / can be managed in further procedures. Personally I » would » » » opt » » » » for a thinner look including the crown but BHR may be in the camp » » that » » » » prefers not to revisit an area. I think the strip scar is "usual" » but » » » » shows trico closure is not a gurentee of an "invisible" line. Good » » work » » » » BHR. » » » » » » marco, » » » » » » It was very deliberate to bite into a early miniaturised area, he is » a » » NW6 » » » and a very good chance the perimeter will recede down,so we have a » » » responsibility to ensure that if he decides on stopping now his » » procedure » » » stands on its own. » » » » » » As far as density and coverage is concerned it was discussed at the » » » consultation and decided that quality was better than quality for » him. » » » That said he is lucky because he still has a good donor and can » expect » » » another 2000-2500 FU without pushing the limits and this will still » give » » a » » » great result from NW6 to finish. » » » » » » As far as invisible closure is concerned, forget it, if that is what » » you » » » expect from a FUT or a transplant generally do not have one, » especially » » » when you talk big numbers. A good closure will certainly allow you » » options » » » with a hair cut an allow you to keep it short, but it has to be » » remembered » » » that when you remove 6000 there has to be a trade, and invisible » » closure » » » is one of them. » » » » I see FUT but what would any other performed surgery be called at the » » clinic? » » De ja vous? There seems to be a great interest in names tonight, so to » clarify those that seem to have a concern, feel it is a problem, or for » newbies. » » FUT is an acronym for Follicular Unit Transfer, sometimes called Strip; it » refers to the technique whereby a linear strip is incised from the donor » area, the width and length can alter depend on the many aspects. » » A newer form of extraction is FUE, I believe there are varients on this » that use larger punches, greater scarring and splitting FU, but basically » it is meant to assume the removal of a follicular unit opposed to a larger » group of follicular units like FUT. If more explanation is required please » let me know I still think the strip scar is the longest I have ever seen, its like you almost cut the guys head off makes you never want to get strip thats for sure HanginInThere is located in SOMEWHERE and he is available to meet: NO --- Hangin Regimen........... Maxi Hair by Country Life 2/day Kal Amino Max ..Chelated Multi Mineral..2/day DHT blockers (daily intake) Saw Palmetto, 320mg Standardized Pygeum 500mg Nettles 500mg Beta Sitosterol 125mg 2% Nizoral Cream Topically Nightly,,,after Shampoo
helpmeout 19.12.2007, 21:46 @ BHRClinic	why call it FUT this is strip Post reply
	Is it possible to ask the patient to grow his hair long so that it can better hide the strip scar after surgery ? This guy could have covered that scar had he grown his hair 1 inch longer before the surgery. helpmeout is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- Propecia, Remox, Nizoral.
Hooray for Hair   Sydney, Australia, 20.12.2007, 05:57 @ HanginInThere	why call it FUT this is strip Post reply
	» its like you almost cut the guys head off Hooray for Hair is located in SYDNEY, AUSTRALIA and he is available to meet: YES email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting. --- 3000 FUE Dr Umar Feel free to visit my website to share my Hair Transplant experience: www.hoorayforhair.com
BHRClinic   Brussels, Belgium, 20.12.2007, 07:08 @ helpmeout	longer hair picture Post reply
	» Is it possible to ask the patient to grow his hair long so that it can » better hide the strip scar after surgery ? This guy could have covered » that scar had he grown his hair 1 inch longer before the surgery. Firstly the coverage, if you note the FU groupings you will see he had a high % of single and two hair follicular units, these have to be packed closer together to ensure a density, the larger groupings can be spread further. The placement of grafts is an important factor in achieving coverage but it is not just about the graft numbers, but the natural groupings and general hair characteristics. We recently performed a 5325 FUT procedure with a higher % of larger groupings, although the graft number was 600 less than this case he had he had 400 more hairs. Another factor with the coverage; the intention prior to this procedure was to look long term and the patient took and educated decision, knowing his options, to focus on a good density and then look at full coverage down the line with another procedure. The scar line, the patient had a higher than average density, very good laxity, the strip was not aggressively removed to reach the number, was removed within the safety zone and not hard to close. The healing process of the strip will be over months, hence it is visible in the early outdoor post op pictures, again with short hair; now the gentleman feels comfortable with keeping his hair this short and considering his work, in the armed forces, where men can be quite vocal and jocular I would suggest it maybe not obvious, and only when scrutinised, knowing it is there and looking for it does it become more noticeable or an issue; and that is with very short hair. Whether or not you feel it is aggressive is subjective, as is having a hair transplant in the first place, FUE or FUT/Strip, they are surgical procedures that will cause scarring in the donor area and all care is taken to reduce the scarring to a minimum. Unfortunately this is the trade off with a hair transplant, if you do not want your body impaired or changed in any way then a hair transplant may not be for you. Helpmeout, here are pictures with longer hair, post op 8 months outdoors, natural light BHRClinic is located in BRUSSELS, BELGIUM and he is available to meet: YES email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting. --- Philb BHR Clinic info@bhrclinic.com www.bhrclinic.com
marco U.K, 20.12.2007, 07:41 @ BHRClinic	longer hair picture Post reply
	BHR, There has been some criticism in this thread but I would like to express the thanks of the posters including myself that appreciate your candor and presentation of a very good example of HT without hiding the realities of the procedure. marco has 1 Personal Journal(s). Click here to view marco is located in U.K and he is available to meet: NO
boris342002 20.12.2007, 11:25 @ marco	longer hair picture Post reply
	Hello to all, Frankly I dont understand whats all the fuss about.. You can notice the scar a little simply cause this patient has his fair cut very short, thats all. The results are awsome, Im sure he must be very happy, so must the clinic. » BHR, » » There has been some criticism in this thread but I would like to express » the thanks of the posters including myself that appreciate your candor and » presentation of a very good example of HT without hiding the realities of » the procedure. boris342002 is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
dreamster 20.12.2007, 14:42 @ boris342002	holy moly scars! Post reply
	HOLY SCARS that scar might pop open if he chews too fast. i get that existing hair might cover that but that scar is a severe severe cut dreamster is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
stitchmeup 21.12.2007, 11:57 @ dreamster	holy moly scars! Post reply
	» HOLY SCARS » » that scar might pop open if he chews too fast. » » i get that existing hair might cover that but that scar is a severe severe » cut I am sure all strip scars look like this fresh from surgery, most clinics just don't show it to the public for obvious reasons. It does look scary ! stitchmeup is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
HanginInThere Somewhere, 21.12.2007, 12:10 @ stitchmeup	holy moly scars! Post reply
	» » HOLY SCARS » » » » that scar might pop open if he chews too fast. » » » » i get that existing hair might cover that but that scar is a severe » severe » » cut » » I am sure all strip scars look like this fresh from surgery, most clinics » just don't show it to the public for obvious reasons. It does look scary » ! i have never seen a strip scar that covered the whole scalp, temple to temple like this it is monstrous HanginInThere is located in SOMEWHERE and he is available to meet: NO --- Hangin Regimen........... Maxi Hair by Country Life 2/day Kal Amino Max ..Chelated Multi Mineral..2/day DHT blockers (daily intake) Saw Palmetto, 320mg Standardized Pygeum 500mg Nettles 500mg Beta Sitosterol 125mg 2% Nizoral Cream Topically Nightly,,,after Shampoo
boris342002 21.12.2007, 13:20 @ HanginInThere	holy moly scars! Post reply
	It would be interesting if Jotronic should give his view on this...... Cheers everyone and Merry Xmas! » » » HOLY SCARS » » » » » » that scar might pop open if he chews too fast. » » » » » » i get that existing hair might cover that but that scar is a severe » » severe » » » cut » » » » I am sure all strip scars look like this fresh from surgery, most » clinics » » just don't show it to the public for obvious reasons. It does look » scary » » ! » » i have never seen a strip scar that covered the whole scalp, temple to » temple like this » it is monstrous boris342002 is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
vic 21.12.2007, 15:16 @ boris342002	ever done research? Post reply
	» It would be interesting if Jotronic should give his view on this...... » Cheers everyone and Merry Xmas! Yes, all have a good festive season, I have to say I am amazed the way some of you are talking, it's as if you are all newbies and done no research at all. How much information do you collect when you search these forums. You are presented with a true documented case of a hair transplant and it's as if it's the first time you've heard of the idea. BHR have presented an honest and very well documented case, not to say that it is a great result, maybe if more clinics were so upfront then more people wouldn't be misled, well done BHR and I bet the guy feels over the moon and much better with that head of hair than he did before. vic is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
Mr. Frodo 21.12.2007, 16:37 @ vic	ever done research? Post reply
	» » It would be interesting if Jotronic should give his view on this...... » » Cheers everyone and Merry Xmas! » » Yes, all have a good festive season, » » I have to say I am amazed the way some of you are talking, it's as if you » are all newbies and done no research at all. How much information do you » collect when you search these forums. You are presented with a true » documented case of a hair transplant and it's as if it's the first time » you've heard of the idea. » » BHR have presented an honest and very well documented case, not to say » that it is a great result, maybe if more clinics were so upfront then more » people wouldn't be misled, well done BHR and I bet the guy feels over the » moon and much better with that head of hair than he did before. I think the problem is that nobody has shown what strip donor looks like when the hair is cut so short. This could be a first. It is disturbing seeing that scar, I mean ouch ! Mr. Frodo is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
HanginInThere Somewhere, 21.12.2007, 16:52 @ vic	ever done research? Post reply
	» » It would be interesting if Jotronic should give his view on this...... » » Cheers everyone and Merry Xmas! » » Yes, all have a good festive season, » » I have to say I am amazed the way some of you are talking, it's as if you » are all newbies and done no research at all. How much information do you » collect when you search these forums. You are presented with a true » documented case of a hair transplant and it's as if it's the first time » you've heard of the idea. » » BHR have presented an honest and very well documented case, not to say » that it is a great result, maybe if more clinics were so upfront then more » people wouldn't be misled, well done BHR and I bet the guy feels over the » moon and much better with that head of hair than he did before. w we are not newbies, we have seen strip before, my comment was. call a spade a spade, call strip strip................ also show me one strip with as large a scar as this guy has, it must be 20 inches long, its horrendous that is the basis of my comment on the scar, sure we have all seen strip before, but this scar is not typical by any means HanginInThere is located in SOMEWHERE and he is available to meet: NO --- Hangin Regimen........... Maxi Hair by Country Life 2/day Kal Amino Max ..Chelated Multi Mineral..2/day DHT blockers (daily intake) Saw Palmetto, 320mg Standardized Pygeum 500mg Nettles 500mg Beta Sitosterol 125mg 2% Nizoral Cream Topically Nightly,,,after Shampoo
vic 21.12.2007, 17:12 @ HanginInThere	ever done research? Post reply
	» » » It would be interesting if Jotronic should give his view on this...... » » » Cheers everyone and Merry Xmas! » » » » Yes, all have a good festive season, » » » » I have to say I am amazed the way some of you are talking, it's as if » you » » are all newbies and done no research at all. How much information do » you » » collect when you search these forums. You are presented with a true » » documented case of a hair transplant and it's as if it's the first time » » you've heard of the idea. » » » » BHR have presented an honest and very well documented case, not to say » » that it is a great result, maybe if more clinics were so upfront then » more » » people wouldn't be misled, well done BHR and I bet the guy feels over » the » » moon and much better with that head of hair than he did before. » w » » we are not newbies, we have seen strip before, my comment was. call a » spade a spade, call strip strip................ » » also show me one strip with as large a scar as this guy has, it must be 20 » inches long, its horrendous » » that is the basis of my comment on the scar, sure we have all seen strip » before, but this scar is not typical by any means How many 6000 graft cases have you seen, maybe why you haven't seen the scar before And how big do you think his head is , 20 inches, that's 51cm's! Must be the biggest head in the world. You may not be a newbie but you have a lot to learn; thanks for the laugh on a cold evening. vic is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
HanginInThere Somewhere, 21.12.2007, 17:17 @ vic	ever done research? Post reply
	» » » » It would be interesting if Jotronic should give his view on » this...... » » » » Cheers everyone and Merry Xmas! » » » » » » Yes, all have a good festive season, » » » » » » I have to say I am amazed the way some of you are talking, it's as if » » you » » » are all newbies and done no research at all. How much information do » » you » » » collect when you search these forums. You are presented with a true » » » documented case of a hair transplant and it's as if it's the first » time » » » you've heard of the idea. » » » » » » BHR have presented an honest and very well documented case, not to » say » » » that it is a great result, maybe if more clinics were so upfront then » » more » » » people wouldn't be misled, well done BHR and I bet the guy feels over » » the » » » moon and much better with that head of hair than he did before. » » w » » » » we are not newbies, we have seen strip before, my comment was. call a » » spade a spade, call strip strip................ » » » » also show me one strip with as large a scar as this guy has, it must be » 20 » » inches long, its horrendous » » » » that is the basis of my comment on the scar, sure we have all seen » strip » » before, but this scar is not typical by any means » » How many 6000 graft cases have you seen, maybe why you haven't seen the » scar before And how big do you think his head is , 20 inches, that's » 51cm's! Must be the biggest head in the world. You may not be a newbie but » you have a lot to learn; thanks for the laugh on a cold evening. from temple to temple how long do you think that is? that scar is horrendous and runs temple to temple, you moron, It may not be 20 inches long but I would place a large bet it is at least 14 inches long, I just measured on my own scalp a similar area I have seen tons of 5000, 6000, 7000 graft cases,,,,,,,,,,they dont leave scars like that, thats ridiculous yes thanks for the laugh too, trying to say this scar is not the biggest you have ever seen, Please post pics of similar sized extraction sites, I have yet to see one in 5 yrs on this board HanginInThere is located in SOMEWHERE and he is available to meet: NO --- Hangin Regimen........... Maxi Hair by Country Life 2/day Kal Amino Max ..Chelated Multi Mineral..2/day DHT blockers (daily intake) Saw Palmetto, 320mg Standardized Pygeum 500mg Nettles 500mg Beta Sitosterol 125mg 2% Nizoral Cream Topically Nightly,,,after Shampoo
vic 21.12.2007, 17:59 @ HanginInThere	ever done research? Post reply
	» » » » » It would be interesting if Jotronic should give his view on » » this...... » » » » » Cheers everyone and Merry Xmas! » » » » » » » » Yes, all have a good festive season, » » » » » » » » I have to say I am amazed the way some of you are talking, it's as » if » » » you » » » » are all newbies and done no research at all. How much information » do » » » you » » » » collect when you search these forums. You are presented with a true » » » » documented case of a hair transplant and it's as if it's the first » » time » » » » you've heard of the idea. » » » » » » » » BHR have presented an honest and very well documented case, not to » » say » » » » that it is a great result, maybe if more clinics were so upfront » then » » » more » » » » people wouldn't be misled, well done BHR and I bet the guy feels » over » » » the » » » » moon and much better with that head of hair than he did before. » » » w » » » » » » we are not newbies, we have seen strip before, my comment was. call a » » » spade a spade, call strip strip................ » » » » » » also show me one strip with as large a scar as this guy has, it must » be » » 20 » » » inches long, its horrendous » » » » » » that is the basis of my comment on the scar, sure we have all seen » » strip » » » before, but this scar is not typical by any means » » » » How many 6000 graft cases have you seen, maybe why you haven't seen the » » scar before And how big do you think his head is , 20 inches, » that's » » 51cm's! Must be the biggest head in the world. You may not be a newbie » but » » you have a lot to learn; thanks for the laugh on a cold evening. » » from temple to temple how long do you think that is? that scar is » horrendous and runs temple to temple, you moron, It may not be 20 inches » long but I would place a large bet it is at least 14 inches long, I just » measured on my own scalp a similar area » » I have seen tons of 5000, 6000, 7000 graft cases,,,,,,,,,,they dont leave » scars like that, thats ridiculous » » yes thanks for the laugh too, trying to say this scar is not the biggest » you have ever seen, Please post pics of similar sized extraction sites, I » have yet to see one in 5 yrs on this board moron?! Classy argument. I am not arguing it is not long, what do you expect for 6000 grafts. Instead of sensationalising and changing figures why not you show how much bigger it is by you posting all the 5,6,7000 scars you have seen. Like boris said, it would be interesting for Jotronic to input. The point I was making is I doubt there are many better documented cases shown on the forums by a clinic, like marco said, respect to BHR for showing what is real and if it's not for you then do not do it. Just seems to me some people can't take reality. I've had a hair transplant and much fewer grafts than this man and I wish I could have my hair that short without the scar showing. vic is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
HanginInThere Somewhere, 21.12.2007, 18:01 @ vic	ever done research? Post reply
	» » » » » » It would be interesting if Jotronic should give his view on » » » this...... » » » » » » Cheers everyone and Merry Xmas! » » » » » » » » » » Yes, all have a good festive season, » » » » » » » » » » I have to say I am amazed the way some of you are talking, it's » as » » if » » » » you » » » » » are all newbies and done no research at all. How much information » » do » » » » you » » » » » collect when you search these forums. You are presented with a » true » » » » » documented case of a hair transplant and it's as if it's the » first » » » time » » » » » you've heard of the idea. » » » » » » » » » » BHR have presented an honest and very well documented case, not » to » » » say » » » » » that it is a great result, maybe if more clinics were so upfront » » then » » » » more » » » » » people wouldn't be misled, well done BHR and I bet the guy feels » » over » » » » the » » » » » moon and much better with that head of hair than he did before. » » » » w » » » » » » » » we are not newbies, we have seen strip before, my comment was. call » a » » » » spade a spade, call strip strip................ » » » » » » » » also show me one strip with as large a scar as this guy has, it » must » » be » » » 20 » » » » inches long, its horrendous » » » » » » » » that is the basis of my comment on the scar, sure we have all seen » » » strip » » » » before, but this scar is not typical by any means » » » » » » How many 6000 graft cases have you seen, maybe why you haven't seen » the » » » scar before And how big do you think his head is , 20 inches, » » that's » » » 51cm's! Must be the biggest head in the world. You may not be a » newbie » » but » » » you have a lot to learn; thanks for the laugh on a cold evening. » » » » from temple to temple how long do you think that is? that scar is » » horrendous and runs temple to temple, you moron, It may not be 20 » inches » » long but I would place a large bet it is at least 14 inches long, I » just » » measured on my own scalp a similar area » » » » I have seen tons of 5000, 6000, 7000 graft cases,,,,,,,,,,they dont » leave » » scars like that, thats ridiculous » » » » yes thanks for the laugh too, trying to say this scar is not the » biggest » » you have ever seen, Please post pics of similar sized extraction sites, » I » » have yet to see one in 5 yrs on this board » » moron?! Classy argument. » » I am not arguing it is not long, what do you expect for 6000 grafts. » Instead of sensationalising and changing figures why not you show how much » bigger it is by you posting all the 5,6,7000 scars you have seen. Like » boris said, it would be interesting for Jotronic to input. The point I was » making is I doubt there are many better documented cases shown on the » forums by a clinic, like marco said, respect to BHR for showing what is » real and if it's not for you then do not do it. Just seems to me some » people can't take reality. I've had a hair transplant and much fewer » grafts than this man and I wish I could have my hair that short without » the scar showing. who is to say the scar wont stretch personally i think guys who get strip are nuts HanginInThere is located in SOMEWHERE and he is available to meet: NO --- Hangin Regimen........... Maxi Hair by Country Life 2/day Kal Amino Max ..Chelated Multi Mineral..2/day DHT blockers (daily intake) Saw Palmetto, 320mg Standardized Pygeum 500mg Nettles 500mg Beta Sitosterol 125mg 2% Nizoral Cream Topically Nightly,,,after Shampoo
jotronic   21.12.2007, 19:29 @ HanginInThere	ever done research? Post reply
	» personally i think guys who get strip are nuts. But they seem to have the best hair overall and if that takes being a little nuts, then color me nutty. My apologies to BHR for jumping into this but my name has been mentioned a few times with regards to my input. Showing the donor scar with a short haircut is hardly anything new and from what I can tell this only shows how little some people have actually looked into this. I think I was the first to actually do this just shy of six years ago. Since then, dozens of others have done the same. This is five weeks post-op from numero uno with Dr. Wong. Remember, I had two previous donor scars, one above the other, from two surgeries with Dr. Norris in the early nineties. Here I am only TWO DAYS after my second with Dr. Wong... One month after #2... And of course right before #3... My point is two fold. First, hardly anyone will ever notice the shadow of evidence that WE see on the patient shown by BHR as having a procedure because what we have all recognized as signs of an HT. I bet most on these forums wouldn't spot something like this on the street. And most definitely NO lay person would notice this much less know what it is. I can say for myself that walking around downtown two days after a surgery, head shaved and staples showing, had zero impact on my life then much less does it today... jotronic is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- Joe Tillman aka, Jotronic Hasson & Wong www.hassonandwong.com www.hairtransplanttv.com Joe@HassonandWong.com 1.800.859.2266 The Truth Is In The Results 7917 FU Grafts
HanginInThere Somewhere, 21.12.2007, 23:03 @ jotronic	ever done research? Post reply
	» » personally i think guys who get strip are nuts. » » But they seem to have the best hair overall and if that takes being a » little nuts, then color me nutty. » » » My apologies to BHR for jumping into this but my name has been mentioned a » few times with regards to my input. » » Showing the donor scar with a short haircut is hardly anything new and » from what I can tell this only shows how little some people have actually » looked into this. » » I think I was the first to actually do this just shy of six years ago. » Since then, dozens of others have done the same. » » This is five weeks post-op from numero uno with Dr. Wong. Remember, I had » two previous donor scars, one above the other, from two surgeries with Dr. » Norris in the early nineties. » » » » Here I am only TWO DAYS after my second with Dr. Wong... » » » » One month after #2... » » » » And of course right before #3... » » » » » » My point is two fold. First, hardly anyone will ever notice the shadow of » evidence that WE see on the patient shown by BHR as having a procedure » because what we have all recognized as signs of an HT. I bet most on these » forums wouldn't spot something like this on the street. And most definitely » NO lay person would notice this much less know what it is. I can say for » myself that walking around downtown two days after a surgery, head shaved » and staples showing, had zero impact on my life then much less does it » today... » » » amazing how the side hair on the before seems much thinner than the side hair on the after on yours you have very healthy side donor hair how many grafts did you get total HanginInThere is located in SOMEWHERE and he is available to meet: NO --- Hangin Regimen........... Maxi Hair by Country Life 2/day Kal Amino Max ..Chelated Multi Mineral..2/day DHT blockers (daily intake) Saw Palmetto, 320mg Standardized Pygeum 500mg Nettles 500mg Beta Sitosterol 125mg 2% Nizoral Cream Topically Nightly,,,after Shampoo
jotronic   21.12.2007, 23:28 @ HanginInThere	ever done research? Post reply
	Hangin, It's because of two reasons actually. The sides were brought forward in my second session. My temple points and the sides in general were severely receded so Dr. Wong rebuilt not just the top but the sides as well. The second reason, for the generally thinner look overall is because my hair was a bit damp in the before photo. Not wet, just damp and it may have been a bit shorter as well. jotronic is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- Joe Tillman aka, Jotronic Hasson & Wong www.hassonandwong.com www.hairtransplanttv.com Joe@HassonandWong.com 1.800.859.2266 The Truth Is In The Results 7917 FU Grafts
HanginInThere Somewhere, 22.12.2007, 00:58 @ jotronic	ever done research? Post reply
	» Hangin, » » It's because of two reasons actually. The sides were brought forward in my » second session. My temple points and the sides in general were severely » receded so Dr. Wong rebuilt not just the top but the sides as well. The » second reason, for the generally thinner look overall is because my hair » was a bit damp in the before photo. Not wet, just damp and it may have » been a bit shorter as well. ah ok how many grafts how many sessions or times did u go in\ HanginInThere is located in SOMEWHERE and he is available to meet: NO --- Hangin Regimen........... Maxi Hair by Country Life 2/day Kal Amino Max ..Chelated Multi Mineral..2/day DHT blockers (daily intake) Saw Palmetto, 320mg Standardized Pygeum 500mg Nettles 500mg Beta Sitosterol 125mg 2% Nizoral Cream Topically Nightly,,,after Shampoo
abcxyz 22.12.2007, 01:11 @ HanginInThere	ever done research? Post reply
	Seriously, do you guys have to take pain killers for months in order to get over this? All this looks very painful to me. abcxyz is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- Rogaine foam + Propecia + Nizoral 1% + Lysine No longer use topical Dutas as of Nov 2007.
jotronic   22.12.2007, 04:13 @ HanginInThere	ever done research? Post reply
	Hangin, Because of my old work Dr. Wong was limited to only 2406 grafts first time around. Each subsequent round was only possible because of my excellent laxity. My donor hair is average at best. Each of my sessions was between 2400 and 2500 each. Nowadays guys with good laxity can get 6000 to 7000 in two sessions, and rare cases...very rare cases can get that number in one. Had I been a virgin scalp I very well may have been the first 4000 plus case for H&W six years ago. You have to know the history of megasessions to grasp the significance of my case as the largest cases back then were 2000 to 2500 for virgin scalps. Ab, Painkillers for months? If that were the case no strip clinic would be in business because everyone would be sharing their horrific pain stories. My first two bad surgeries with Dr. Norris were Hell but that wasn't even for months. With these latest three I barely needed a Tylenol 3 the night of my surgeries much less the subsequent days after my procedures. jotronic is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- Joe Tillman aka, Jotronic Hasson & Wong www.hassonandwong.com www.hairtransplanttv.com Joe@HassonandWong.com 1.800.859.2266 The Truth Is In The Results 7917 FU Grafts
HanginInThere Somewhere, 22.12.2007, 04:21 @ jotronic	ever done research? Post reply
	» Hangin, » » Because of my old work Dr. Wong was limited to only 2406 grafts first time » around. Each subsequent round was only possible because of my excellent » laxity. My donor hair is average at best. Each of my sessions was between » 2400 and 2500 each. Nowadays guys with good laxity can get 6000 to 7000 in » two sessions, and rare cases...very rare cases can get that number in one. » Had I been a virgin scalp I very well may have been the first 4000 plus » case for H&W six years ago. You have to know the history of megasessions » to grasp the significance of my case as the largest cases back then were » 2000 to 2500 for virgin scalps. hi jo I am still curious I cannot determine your total number of grafts to achieve what you have now also was your crown bald, I think it was, by your before pics, Iwould be curious to see the shot from the back HanginInThere is located in SOMEWHERE and he is available to meet: NO --- Hangin Regimen........... Maxi Hair by Country Life 2/day Kal Amino Max ..Chelated Multi Mineral..2/day DHT blockers (daily intake) Saw Palmetto, 320mg Standardized Pygeum 500mg Nettles 500mg Beta Sitosterol 125mg 2% Nizoral Cream Topically Nightly,,,after Shampoo
BHRClinic   Brussels, Belgium, 22.12.2007, 04:46 @ jotronic	ever done research? Post reply
	» » personally i think guys who get strip are nuts. » » But they seem to have the best hair overall and if that takes being a » little nuts, then color me nutty. » » » My apologies to BHR for jumping into this but my name has been mentioned a » few times with regards to my input. » » Showing the donor scar with a short haircut is hardly anything new and » from what I can tell this only shows how little some people have actually » looked into this. » » I think I was the first to actually do this just shy of six years ago. » Since then, dozens of others have done the same.......... » » My point is two fold. First, hardly anyone will ever notice the shadow of » evidence that WE see on the patient shown by BHR as having a procedure » because what we have all recognized as signs of an HT. I bet most on these » forums wouldn't spot something like this on the street. And most definitely » NO lay person would notice this much less know what it is. I can say for » myself that walking around downtown two days after a surgery, head shaved » and staples showing, had zero impact on my life then much less does it » today... Jo, No problem you jumping in here, having experience in larger strips opposed to reading about it makes a large difference. I am a little surprised to the controversy, this has been posted on many others and little to no comment regarding the scar, moreover concentrating on the recipient and the healing and the fact he can keep his hair short; maybe the picture is too clear or the hair too short so it shows it at it's worst, and that has contributed to the attention. We stand by the result and the technique used, the strip was removed within a safety zone, he had good laxity and density and importantly the strip was not removed aggressively to reach the numbers, the numbers came as a result of his hair characteristics. His healing was normal in the donor, after the initial few days and the suture removal, no need for pain killers for months or even days; as for the scar stretching, he is now 9 months post op, the scalp has returned to normal and no chance it will start to stretch now. As the months go by the redness dissipates and the scalp returns to normal, this is easily hidden if you keep your hair a little longer, in this case he preferred to keep it short. An interesting aspect is the patient is so happy with the donor healing he is reluctant to tempt fate and maybe impair the good work; so his next procedure will be FUE; so he gets the best of both; maximum hair within his limits from FUT, a neat closure even with short hair unnoticeable to the majority unless scrutinised and then FUE to increase his coverage over the crown. Another aspect I think this post has shown is the need of the forums and the clinics especially to ensure that pictures like this are published to educate the members as to the basic of hair transplant. Going into this with your eyes open is important as it is not the easiest decision in the first place and having knowledge will prepare you for the procedure, post op care and the long term. BHRClinic is located in BRUSSELS, BELGIUM and he is available to meet: YES email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting. --- Philb BHR Clinic info@bhrclinic.com www.bhrclinic.com
jotronic   22.12.2007, 05:10 @ HanginInThere	ever