joboo1
29.01.2008, 12:34 |
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They had a segment on Dr. C's research at U Penn (my school) and reported that human trials will begin shortly and Today's reporting doctor said they are very optimistic about the outcome and see market potential in the next 3 years. I know this has been reported in the Future Treatments forum, with much debate as we've all encountered numerous snake oils and "promising cures" that turn our to be nothing, but I do research at U Penn in Cardiology and understand the scrutiny any research done there is put under before going public (i.e. Institutional Review Board Submissions, etc. etc.) and Dr. C. would not be going on the Today Show unless he was damn sure he had something big. This isn't coming from a junkyard dog lab or pharmacy - this is one of the top three medical research entities in the country. Anyway here's the link - don't flame me - be nice - just trying to help - watch the video:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032633/
Should still be up today, but you might have to find it in the archives after today.
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hunt3r
29.01.2008, 14:29
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great !
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mate
29.01.2008, 15:08
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» They had a segment on Dr. C's research at U Penn (my school) and reported
» that human trials will begin shortly and Today's reporting doctor said
» they are very optimistic about the outcome and see market potential in the
» next 3 years. I know this has been reported in the Future Treatments
» forum, with much debate as we've all encountered numerous snake oils and
» "promising cures" that turn our to be nothing, but I do research at U Penn
» in Cardiology and understand the scrutiny any research done there is put
» under before going public (i.e. Institutional Review Board Submissions,
» etc. etc.) and Dr. C. would not be going on the Today Show unless he was
» damn sure he had something big. This isn't coming from a junkyard dog lab
» or pharmacy - this is one of the top three medical research entities in the
» country. Anyway here's the link - don't flame me - be nice - just trying to
» help - watch the video:
»
» http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032633/
»
» Should still be up today, but you might have to find it in the archives
» after today.
I've said it before: the mere fact that Penn is attached to this should be reason enough for some healthy optimism. This is a major AMERICAN (I.E. the gold standard) research entity that values its reputation above everything else. This is a school with a multi-billion dollar endowment. They aren't chasing money any more; everything they do is about building and protecting their reputation. If they are allowing Dr. C. to discuss his research publicly, its because they have vetted it and determined it will not harm the integrity of the school.
I think Follica is far ahead of ITX in bringing anything to market, and frankly, I'd trust them more.
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haircoach
29.01.2008, 16:05
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Can someone report the Cotsarelis' interview in written form?
I'm Itaian and so I don't understand very well.
Thank you!
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mate
29.01.2008, 16:52
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» Can someone report the Cotsarelis' interview in written form?
» I'm Itaian and so I don't understand very well.
»
» Thank you!
There is no new information in that interview. They expect a product within 2-3 years.
What is exciting is that Dr. C went on the Today Show (it is a very popular television show in America) to discuss his work publicly. If they are willing to discuss their work on such a popular program, it means they think they have something very promising.
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debris
29.01.2008, 16:57
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I'm sorry mate, but all it means is that they want publicity and investors attention. They want money. That's all.
Today all scientists do similar things. They work on cancer (and have government funding) or they exagerrate and advertise unless they want to face situation where they have no money, no project, no wage, just bills to pay.
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Peter25
29.01.2008, 17:29
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Question about Follica? I watched the video here.... Does their procedure involve some calculated damage to the skin combined with a topical application which has successfully grown this hair in mice? In the video, there is white hair surrounded by brown. Is this a human skin graft onto a mouse? What exactly are we looking at? Thanks guys. Sounds promising and exciting. So great to hear ICX is not the only serious group working on this for us!
Also, does anyone know more precisely when trials are proposed to commence?
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mate
29.01.2008, 17:36
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» I'm sorry mate, but all it means is that they want publicity and investors
» attention. They want money. That's all.
»
» Today all scientists do similar things. They work on cancer (and have
» government funding) or they exagerrate and advertise unless they want to
» face situation where they have no money, no project, no wage, just bills
» to pay.
I'd agree with you if this work wasn't connected to the University of Pennsylvania. That is an Ivy League, top five university. They protect their reputation. They would not allow their name to be used like this unless those conducting the research could ensure that it would not negatively impact the school's integrity. Follica may be looking for investors, but Penn is not; they have a multi-billion dollar endowment that is so great that the vast majority of their students don't pay a dime in tuition (free-rides, not loans). If not for Penn's involvement, I wouldn't be nearly as excited. As mentioned by the OP, Penn is meticulous in their vetting of their research programs. They've done their dilligence on Costeralis and his study, and have clearly given him the green light to not only continue to use their labs, but their name as well. That is a very, very big deal.
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debris
29.01.2008, 17:36
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it's mice growing unpigmented hair. They wounded the mice, and applied something, and this is the result.
It grew hair in mice. In mice which don't even suffer from MPB and DHT. Even in mice the hair was not pigmented hair, but still they have guts to claim that they believe that in humans the hair will cycle (because of what? because they wish it would? well that's not enough! cells that grew DHT sensitive hair before will most probably grow DHT sensitive hair even now), and be pigmented.
lol.
In my opinion it will grow baby hair at best. or a hair that lasts several months before DHT kicks its ass second time.
I mean even rogaine grew better hair in mice than this shit
All the odds are against this technology. There is not a single logical scientific evidence that it should work any good in humans.
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joboo1
29.01.2008, 17:47
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They already have investors - Puretech.... I'm sure they want to boost attention and support, but U Penn is a highly academic peer reviewed institution. Money maybe a factor for Dr. C. - I'm not really sure how this works. But, I can guarantee he doesn't want to go on the Today Show talking about a possible medical breakthrough that has little merit. If anything he wants to get published in JAMA. As for U Penn - Mate's right - they're more worried about their reputation as having two of the nation's best hospitals for research and teaching HUP and Pennsylvania Hospital and the nation's best pediatric hospital C.H.O.P. I work in research for physicians and PhD's and they are much more worried about getting published and reviewed which takes true submissions and results. True, there are scientists like this in the pharma business who can get away with exagerrating, but time has put more due diligence on these types (see VIOXX, SEROQUEL litigations). The company who wants to profit is Puretech - the venture capitalists who are helping fund everything. Go on their website. I get the feeling that they don't throw down some 50+ million on a hunch or a snake oil. I think these guys in Boston are a little more savvy than that.
As for the efficacy of what they're doing on humans - I don't know. All I'm saying is that the people behind this are not known for being snake oil salesmen or junk scientists. This isn't Dr. Gho or Regrowth.com or some back alley wannabe biochems trying to make RU. Sure they want to make money, but all parties involved have bigger reputations at stake then revivogen....
» I'm sorry mate, but all it means is that they want publicity and investors
» attention. They want money. That's all.
»
» Today all scientists do similar things. They work on cancer (and have
» government funding) or they exagerrate and advertise unless they want to
» face situation where they have no money, no project, no wage, just bills
» to pay.
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joboo1
29.01.2008, 17:53
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Edit: 5.5 million invested by Puretech
» They already have investors - Puretech.... I'm sure they want to boost
» attention and support, but U Penn is a highly academic peer reviewed
» institution. Money maybe a factor for Dr. C. - I'm not really sure how
» this works. But, I can guarantee he doesn't want to go on the Today Show
» talking about a possible medical breakthrough that has little merit. If
» anything he wants to get published in JAMA. As for U Penn - Mate's right
» - they're more worried about their reputation as having two of the
» nation's best hospitals for research and teaching HUP and Pennsylvania
» Hospital and the nation's best pediatric hospital C.H.O.P. I work in
» research for physicians and PhD's and they are much more worried about
» getting published and reviewed which takes true submissions and results.
» True, there are scientists like this in the pharma business who can get
» away with exagerrating, but time has put more due diligence on these types
» (see VIOXX, SEROQUEL litigations). The company who wants to profit is
» Puretech - the venture capitalists who are helping fund everything. Go on
» their website. I get the feeling that they don't throw down some 50+
» million on a hunch or a snake oil. I think these guys in Boston are a
» little more savvy than that.
»
» As for the efficacy of what they're doing on humans - I don't know. All
» I'm saying is that the people behind this are not known for being snake
» oil salesmen or junk scientists. This isn't Dr. Gho or Regrowth.com or
» some back alley wannabe biochems trying to make RU. Sure they want to
» make money, but all parties involved have bigger reputations at stake then
» revivogen....
»
» » I'm sorry mate, but all it means is that they want publicity and
» investors
» » attention. They want money. That's all.
» »
» » Today all scientists do similar things. They work on cancer (and have
» » government funding) or they exagerrate and advertise unless they want
» to
» » face situation where they have no money, no project, no wage, just
» bills
» » to pay.
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munich_user
29.01.2008, 17:57
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» » They had a segment on Dr. C's research at U Penn (my school) and
» reported
» » that human trials will begin shortly and Today's reporting doctor said
» » they are very optimistic about the outcome and see market potential in
» the
» » next 3 years. I know this has been reported in the Future Treatments
» » forum, with much debate as we've all encountered numerous snake oils
» and
» » "promising cures" that turn our to be nothing, but I do research at U
» Penn
» » in Cardiology and understand the scrutiny any research done there is
» put
» » under before going public (i.e. Institutional Review Board Submissions,
» » etc. etc.) and Dr. C. would not be going on the Today Show unless he
» was
» » damn sure he had something big. This isn't coming from a junkyard dog
» lab
» » or pharmacy - this is one of the top three medical research entities in
» the
» » country. Anyway here's the link - don't flame me - be nice - just trying
» to
» » help - watch the video:
» »
» » http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032633/
» »
» » Should still be up today, but you might have to find it in the archives
» » after today.
»
» I've said it before: the mere fact that Penn is attached to this should be
» reason enough for some healthy optimism. This is a major AMERICAN (I.E.
» the gold standard) research entity that values its reputation above
» everything else. This is a school with a multi-billion dollar endowment.
» They aren't chasing money any more; everything they do is about building
» and protecting their reputation. If they are allowing Dr. C. to discuss
» his research publicly, its because they have vetted it and determined it
» will not harm the integrity of the school.
»
» I think Follica is far ahead of ITX in bringing anything to market, and
» frankly, I'd trust them more.
For me it sounds like "with 1000 injections you get 60000 hairs"
You can`t say that Follica is far ahead of ICX because there`s no results in humans yet..
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mate
29.01.2008, 18:12
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»
» For me it sounds like "with 1000 injections you get 60000 hairs"
»
» You can`t say that Follica is far ahead of ICX because there`s no results
» in humans yet..
Follica has been far more transparent than ICX. They have gone public with their research and are touting their potential. ICX has taken the opposite route. Information from them is spotty at best, and even the Doc they teamed with is being evasive about their tech's potential. And in terms of reputation, I trust the people behind Follica far more than ICX, as it seems US researchers more closely adhere to the principles of peer review. Further, the manner in which funding is awarded in the US (private sources vs. public) requires more certainty in the proposal. Finally, Penn's association alone should indicate just how real their research is. If I were to invest in one of these companies, it would be Follica.
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vtex
29.01.2008, 18:25
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I agree, the use of Penn's name and the names of highly reputable dermatologists (from Harvard, Stanford, "household" names like Cots and Vera...) puts too much reputation on the line for this to not have significant and encouraging data and science behind it. Debris, you are right that all of this boils down to money. However, there is a lot more money in reputation than investment. Follica won't pull a ICX and go public, they don't need public financial backing. They will get all there money from investment firms and hold on to a significant percentage of the company. That is where the money is at. They are drumming up publicity now so that when this thing hits the market it will be a big splash. That is what makes me optomistic. Unlike ICX who must make big promises so that its stock does not plummet in the short term and put them out of business (too late), Follica will be looking to make conservative estimates about timelines so that the public does not feel dicked around when it comes out. Thus, when ICX says 5 years it could be 8, by the time the 5 years are up it will say only 3 more and will look for a new round of public funding. When Follica says within 4 they want to land at 2 or 3, and the public is excited when it comes out.
Also, I find it a bit funny that the internet scientists on this board use google to determine that this procedure causes cancer. If the safety profile of this drug were a problem, and one evident by a simple search and matching up terms like WNT, Penn would probably have waited to announce its finding. Moreover, there is NO way that these prominent scientists would start human trials soon if they thought cancer would develop. No scientist wants "killed 10 people" on their CV. Especially not ones that are already rich and reputable.
Science is a guessing game and nothing is certain. But there can not be more positive signs than we have been given so far.
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baldbaby
29.01.2008, 18:33
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See what I'm talkin about in 3-4 years we will all be cured by Dr. Cotsarelis. Watch the video and listen to what Dr. Nancy Snyderman says. 4 years = 2012. Baldbaby was dead on as usual.
Hangin, time to bow down to the great baldbaby!!
----
People fear baldbaby.
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James Bond
29.01.2008, 21:48
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Top 3rd school overall, and 2nd in NIH funds received. Definitely not a backwoods organization.
http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/may07/hair-follicle-regeneration.html
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mate
29.01.2008, 22:48
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» Top 3rd school overall, and 2nd in NIH funds received. Definitely not a
» backwoods organization.
»
» http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/may07/hair-follicle-regeneration.html
I'm WAAAYYY more impressed by a product backed by UPenn than I am of a product associated with Farjo. When it comes to reputation, it really doesn't get much better than UPenn (except for Johns Hopkins).
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SPQR
30.01.2008, 06:18
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I'm very excited by how reputation have this research group... they know for sure what they are doing... and this is very important because i'm sure that the competitor ICX now have to speed up their work, if they don't want lose all the money of 10 years of research... if follica is before them on the market, they lose millions of euro's...
This situation, in my opinion, make an hypotetical release of a trc, the famous small scale commercialization, in 2009... they need a product for stop the competitor and have a little slice of market...
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Damsy
30.01.2008, 06:25
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» All the odds are against this technology. There is not a single logical
» scientific evidence that it should work any good in humans.
Oh there is! There are inactive stem cells all over your head. They stimulated them in mice. So there is no single logical argument, that it should NOT work in human..but of course, its a matter of time. DHT and MPB are not that big problem i guess, because this new hair would be "really new". Worst case scenario is to lose your hair 17-20 years later, when you normally start to bald.
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Damsy
30.01.2008, 06:26
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You forgot that reputation is money too.
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chincheto
30.01.2008, 08:30
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» This situation, in my opinion, make an hypotetical release of a trc, the
» famous small scale commercialization, in 2009... they need a product for
» stop the competitor and have a little slice of market...
small scale comercialization reference has been deleted from ITCX FAQ web page.
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RiuraO
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30.01.2008, 08:55
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As far as I Know Cotsarelis experiment was done on human skin transplanted into a Mouse´s back. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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mate
30.01.2008, 09:24
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» » This situation, in my opinion, make an hypotetical release of a trc, the
» » famous small scale commercialization, in 2009... they need a product
» for
» » stop the competitor and have a little slice of market...
»
» small scale comercialization reference has been deleted from ITCX FAQ web
» page.
References to commercialization have been removed, Farjo doesn't even mention their own research on their site. ITCX no longer seems very promising. Follica is our best hope.
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mate
30.01.2008, 09:27
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» You forgot that reputation is money too.
The University of Pennsylvania has a 5 BILLION dollar endowment. Its not about money for that school, its about what new discoveries, theories, and breakthroughs they can lay claim to. Academics, contrary to what you may think, are really not that interested in money. As the OP stated, getting published and colleague recognition is paramount to them. They aren't hyping - they must really think they are on to something. Time will tell, but I think its very safe to assume that they aren't just looking for a few bucks.
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saturn
30.01.2008, 09:44
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Where's JT revealer and J bond and HAIRSITE on this
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BALDIE42
Uk,
30.01.2008, 09:51
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Wrong mate |
» » » This situation, in my opinion, make an hypotetical release of a trc,
» the
» » » famous small scale commercialization, in 2009... they need a product
» » for
» » » stop the competitor and have a little slice of market...
» »
» » small scale comercialization reference has been deleted from ITCX FAQ
» web
» » page.
»
» References to commercialization have been removed, Farjo doesn't even
» mention their own research on their site. ITCX no longer seems very
» promising. Follica is our best hope.
Intercytex mentioned small scale commercialization somewhere else,I'll find it.
Farjo Clinic still have ICX-TRC on their website,see link below
http://www.farjo.net/page.asp?id=203
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Damsy
30.01.2008, 09:56
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» » You forgot that reputation is money too.
»
» The University of Pennsylvania has a 5 BILLION dollar endowment. Its not
» about money for that school, its about what new discoveries, theories, and
» breakthroughs they can lay claim to. Academics, contrary to what you may
» think, are really not that interested in money. As the OP stated, getting
» published and colleague recognition is paramount to them. They aren't
» hyping - they must really think they are on to something. Time will tell,
» but I think its very safe to assume that they aren't just looking for a few
» bucks.
You know, i am on your side, guy 
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BALDIE42
Uk,
30.01.2008, 10:28
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Found it - Intercytex small scale commercialisation info |
» » » » This situation, in my opinion, make an hypotetical release of a trc,
» » the
» » » » famous small scale commercialization, in 2009... they need a
» product
» » » for
» » » » stop the competitor and have a little slice of market...
» » »
» » » small scale comercialization reference has been deleted from ITCX FAQ
» » web
» » » page.
» »
» » References to commercialization have been removed, Farjo doesn't even
» » mention their own research on their site. ITCX no longer seems very
» » promising. Follica is our best hope.
»
» Intercytex mentioned small scale commercialization somewhere else,I'll
» find it.
»
» Farjo Clinic still have ICX-TRC on their website,see link below
»
» http://www.farjo.net/page.asp?id=203
Intercytex mention small scale commercialisation in their Preliminary results for the year ended 31 December 2006 released on 23rd March, 2007,on page 3,see investors page on their website,under
Annual & Interim Reports, Presentations & Other Documents
We are investigating whether there are opportunities to initiate the small scale commercialisation of
ICX-TRC in 2008. This will depend on the outcome of the ongoing Phase II trial and further regulatory
review.
See link
http://www.intercytex.com/icx/investors/rep/
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ESP
30.01.2008, 10:37
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»
» You can`t say that Follica is far ahead of ICX because there`s no results
» in humans yet..
Munich,
If the "race" is about who releases a product first, then I'd have to agree that Follica may be well ahead of ICX. As has been pointed out, Follica's procedure does not appear to be subject to the usual FDA (or similar agency) approval process. Everything involved in their procedure is already in use and on the market. It appears they simply wish to fine-tune their technique to develop the most effective response rate for the greatest number of people before releasing it. Given the glacial pace at which ICX (or any other HM-research company) has been progressing, I'd be surprised (albeit, pleasantly) if any HM-type procedure was released before Follica's.
Regards,
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s1cfuc
30.01.2008, 11:45
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debris you are the most negative loser on any hairloss forum ive seen. plz do us all a favor slit ur wrists already you know you want to so badly. put urself out of misery. its so annoying reading posts then seeing your lil i hate life rant after with treatment wont work, blah blah.
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chincheto
30.01.2008, 12:32
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Found it - Intercytex small scale commercialisation info |
Yes, but this is on the .pdf released months ago. Obviously they are not going to modify a .pdf document released months ago. But he FAQ page has changed:
http://www.intercytex.com/icx/products/aesthetic/icxtrc/faqsicxtrc/
"2. When will ICX-TRC be on the market?
ICX-TRC is classified as a medicine by the regulatory authorities and hence has to undergo a series of clinical trials before it can be offered on the market. We currently estimate that the earliest that ICX-TRC would be available on the market is 2010 although we don't know in which country it will be launched first."
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BostonBaldy
30.01.2008, 12:43
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But you're forgetting the BIG motivation for scientists and professors: prestige. For most academics their prestige is more important than their money, at least beyond a certain level (which I have no doubht Cotsarelis surpasses with his UPenn appointment). I really doubt Cotsarelis would go on the Today show without having a substantial degree of confidence in his and his colleagues' work.
» I'm sorry mate, but all it means is that they want publicity and investors
» attention. They want money. That's all.
»
» Today all scientists do similar things. They work on cancer (and have
» government funding) or they exagerrate and advertise unless they want to
» face situation where they have no money, no project, no wage, just bills
» to pay.
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debris
30.01.2008, 14:01
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s1cfuc:
You didn't have to hide behind this fake user name, hero!
I do agree that I am often negative about things, but so far every single time I was right.
I'm not negative because I like it or want to put you all here down. All I'm saying is that I don't believe in anything that does not have logical evidence behind and I especially do not believe in things that violate most probable logical outcomes made on the evidence known so far.
I also kinda wish someone would be able to give some logical reasoning to why I am wrong.
I strongly separate wishful thinking from facts and I try to make predictions based solely on the fact, no matter how much it hurts. I am on the same boat as you all here. I want something to success and I do believe one day it will happen. But the cure will not violate existing knowledge (DHT sensitivity, evolutionary principles, ...).
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debris
30.01.2008, 14:06
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you know what? that reminds me, maybe the fact it grows gray hair is good fact. I always believed that ppl who go gray early for some reason do not bald so much afterwards.
I haven't seen any evidence for this statement though so It may be just wrong belief of mine.
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BALDIE42
Uk,
30.01.2008, 14:27
@ chincheto
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Found it - Intercytex small scale commercialisation info |
» Yes, but this is on the .pdf released months ago. Obviously they are not
» going to modify a .pdf document released months ago. But he FAQ page has
» changed:
»
» http://www.intercytex.com/icx/products/aesthetic/icxtrc/faqsicxtrc/
»
» "2. When will ICX-TRC be on the market?
» ICX-TRC is classified as a medicine by the regulatory authorities and
» hence has to undergo a series of clinical trials before it can be offered
» on the market. We currently estimate that the earliest that ICX-TRC would
» be available on the market is 2010 although we don't know in which country
» it will be launched first."
No the facts page as not changed,it never said it on there,in the first place.
If you put in small scale commercialisation into google,theres a few different site that have a copy of it on their websites.They altered theirs to,doubt it!
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AJ
30.01.2008, 14:39
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Perhaps there is a correlation, but it certainly is not 100%. I went gray early (got my first gray hair at 17). Started losing my hair at 18. Was noticeably gray and thinning by my early twenties (got many comments on both).
I am now 43 (been coming here since I was 32), have a bit of recession, and very diffuse thinning on top. Probably lost 80% of my hair on top. I have 1 hair where 5 should be basically. And the remaining hair there is probably 75% gray now. And I certainly have areas that were gray that are no longer there.
Also, my Dad was almost totally gray by the time he was 50. He is now 70, and all the gray hair he had on top is now gone. His sides are fine though. My hair and pattern are actually different from my Dad, but there's definitely some similarities.
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chincheto
30.01.2008, 15:02
@ BALDIE42
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I remember reading it on the FAQ, but probably you are right and they never put it there.
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rooster
30.01.2008, 16:12
@ chincheto
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» I remember reading it on the FAQ, but probably you are right and they never
» put it there.
In the video it flashes AZT the AIDS drug twice. So he is basically wounding the scalp and applying AZT? You know he has tried it on a few people already, thus his optimism.
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Icareforhair
31.01.2008, 22:05
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Perhaps, but from a PR prospective Hairloss is not Cancer.....they are not claiming they are on to something big for a fatal disease. While a lot of people suffer from Hair loss not all of us care as much as we do and cling on to new break throughs. Half the people with hairloss that watched that show will forget about it in a couple weeks, but will still have a good taste in their mouth about Penn Medical Research because they are making efforts. They really had nothing to lose by going public....
» » I'm sorry mate, but all it means is that they want publicity and
» investors
» » attention. They want money. That's all.
» »
» » Today all scientists do similar things. They work on cancer (and have
» » government funding) or they exagerrate and advertise unless they want
» to
» » face situation where they have no money, no project, no wage, just
» bills
» » to pay.
»
» I'd agree with you if this work wasn't connected to the University of
» Pennsylvania. That is an Ivy League, top five university. They protect
» their reputation. They would not allow their name to be used like this
» unless those conducting the research could ensure that it would not
» negatively impact the school's integrity. Follica may be looking for
» investors, but Penn is not; they have a multi-billion dollar endowment
» that is so great that the vast majority of their students don't pay a dime
» in tuition (free-rides, not loans). If not for Penn's involvement, I
» wouldn't be nearly as excited. As mentioned by the OP, Penn is meticulous
» in their vetting of their research programs. They've done their dilligence
» on Costeralis and his study, and have clearly given him the green light to
» not only continue to use their labs, but their name as well. That is a
» very, very big deal.
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mate
31.01.2008, 23:02
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» Perhaps, but from a PR prospective Hairloss is not Cancer.....they are not
» claiming they are on to something big for a fatal disease. While a lot of
» people suffer from Hair loss not all of us care as much as we do and cling
» on to new break throughs. Half the people with hairloss that watched that
» show will forget about it in a couple weeks, but will still have a good
» taste in their mouth about Penn Medical Research because they are making
» efforts. They really had nothing to lose by going public....
»
UPenn and Costeralis are not looking for PR, they're looking for recognition from fellow institutions and researchers. They couldn't care if the public does or does not remember what they were attempting to do, what they care about is their credibility among colleagues. To that, they had a lot to lose by going public. Look at the scandal surrounding the Korean clone researcher. He went public, only to be humiliated later, discredited by his own colleagues and drummed out of the scientific community, his career ruined. There is a tremendous amount of credibility to be lost by going public with something only to have it fail later. Institutions of this level do not tolerate failure or empty promises.
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bug2
18.06.2008, 05:40
@ rooster
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hmm
» » I remember reading it on the FAQ, but probably you are right and they
» never
» » put it there.
»
» In the video it flashes AZT the AIDS drug twice. So he is basically
» wounding the scalp and applying AZT? You know he has tried it on a few
» people already, thus his optimism.
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dastardly
18.06.2008, 06:35
@ bug2
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I think the fact that Costeralis is talking release dates on a big TV show is very promising. I agree - in academic circles prestige is more important than money. But he has nothing to gain in that respect by doing this as he is already one of the most respected hair / skin researchers in the world. He does however, have a lot to lose. While the general public won't remember him if this never happens, and he isn't concerned by a bunch of losers on a website remembering that he "messed up", his academic peers would also remember the claims and it would backfire on him if this amounts to nothing.
In addition, I've been here years, and the general concencus on Costeralis was that he was a brilliant researcher who was more interested in the science than in the commercial applications of his work (much to the disgust and irritation of posters here). yet now we see him talking about commercialisation and release dates. Now while the dates are probably wrong (let's face it they always are!) the very fact that he is talking about this from a "treatment" point of view rather than from a purely "interesting research" point of view is very encouraging.
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AJ
18.06.2008, 12:23
@ dastardly
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Cotsarelis said 2-3 years over a year ago in Scientific American. Any timeline given by Cotsarelis doesn't mean anything.
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