Goingallout
13.03.2008, 23:36
(edited by Goingallout, 14.03.2008, 00:13) |
Dutasteride, Rogaine, Nizoral, Lysine, Biotin, Exercise, L-Arginine (Propecia, Avodart, Spiro, DHT & hormones ...) |
I am going to start a log of my results on the following regime which I am in the process of starting up. But first I have some questions that are asked in the parantheses below:
0.5 Dutasteride daily
Rogaine Foam 2x daily (should I only apply it to the crown and vertex or also to my hairline)?
Nizoral 2% cream (how often do people suggest?)
1g Lysine daily
2,000 mcg Biotin daily
4 g daily MSM
10g of L-Arginine (this is said to stimulate the release of growth hormone, especially in those who exercise)
Multivitamin
Any thoughts?
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Ergh
07.06.2008, 01:37
(edited by Ergh, 07.06.2008, 02:09)
@ Ergh
|
I Need To Take More Drugs! |
Since we were talking about maintaining, I thought I'd actually investigate. Since I did that I figured I'd share.
Also note, newest items within the last year:
Revita ~ 2 weeks daily
Ketaconazole 2% (Nizoral Cream) ~ 8 months QOD (only on crown)
May 2002
![[image]](img/uploaded/708_image9.jpg)
July 2007 (Taken @ H&W)
![[image]](img/uploaded/708_image8.jpg)
June 2008
![[image]](img/uploaded/708_image11.jpg)
Now that I'm looking at the time lapse together, it appears I may have had slight loss.
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HanginInThere
06.06.2008, 01:26
@ Ergh
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I Need To Take More Drugs! |
» To put it simply... I'm maintaining, and although that's good, increased
» density is better.
»
»
» » if they are working and the side effects are worth it, then stick with
» it
» »
» » if they are not working then why are you still taking this regimen
maintaining is as good as regrowth, to those who were previously losing
its not at all easy to do................I have mantained and thickened since 99 and I thank my lucky stars to be one of the guys who is able to do this
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Hangin Regimen...........
Maxi Hair by Country Life 2/day
Kal Amino Max ..Chelated Multi Mineral..2/day
DHT blockers (daily intake)
Saw Palmetto, 320mg Standardized
Pygeum 500mg
Nettles 500mg
Beta Sitosterol 125mg
2% Nizoral Cream Topically Nightly,,,after Shampoo |
Ergh
05.06.2008, 20:54
@ HanginInThere
|
I Need To Take More Drugs! |
To put it simply... I'm maintaining, and although that's good, increased density is better.
» if they are working and the side effects are worth it, then stick with it
»
» if they are not working then why are you still taking this regimen
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Goingallout
05.06.2008, 11:34
@ HanginInThere
|
you need to get off all the drugs |
» » » I am going to start a log of my results on the following regime which
» I
» » am
» » » in the process of starting up. But first I have some questions that
» » are
» » » asked in the parantheses below:
» » »
» » » 0.5 Dutasteride daily
» » » Rogaine Foam 2x daily (should I only apply it to the crown and vertex
» » or
» » » also to my hairline)?
» » » Nizoral 2% cream (how often do people suggest?)
» » » 1g Lysine daily
» » » 2,000 mcg Biotin daily
» » » 4 g daily MSM
» » » 10g of L-Arginine (this is said to stimulate the release of growth
» » » hormone, especially in those who exercise)
» » » Multivitamin
» » »
» » » Any thoughts?
» »
» » While Dut does work for me at least as well as I can imagine something
» » working, I am having to take a break because of the depression,
» headaches,
» » memory loss side effects. I haven't decided what my approach will be or
» » whether I'll even go back on....I think maybe I'll stick with a two
» minutes
» » of topical application a couple of times a week approach and leave it
» at
» » that.
»
» you are bombarding your self with dangerous drugs, DUT can be absorbed
» systemically
»
» I would rather go bald than take all the drugs you are taking
»
» have you already tried a combo of pygeum nettles Saw Palmetto and a super
» hair vitamin? if not why not
»
» its like you are trying for a gold medal in every hair drug on the market
A few things: I chose my handle as going all out because I am trying a lot of things, but as BRM points out only DUT is the questionable one. Minoxidil and Nizoral are the other drugs I am using and they are topical. I am not trying a lot of drugs -- all the other things I have been taking are vitamins/minerals/naturals.
Of course I tried DUT because of its effectiveness and I am acutely aware of its side effects and potential for problems. I was obviously willing to risk these -- and may still be topically with fewer applications.
DUT has obvious effectiveness. Topical DUT is the ONLY thing that cured me of my scalp itch that I know correlates with my areas of hair loss.
Everybody is different. One of the reasons why this board is helpful and why people spend time on it, I am sure, is because everyone responds differently to different things.
While I am wary about DUT, I was obviously willing to risk things as I said. If one eats an oleander plant, one will die of poisoning. Oleanders are natural and are plants. I am not taken in by the dogma that what is natural is necessarily good for you.
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Ergh
05.06.2008, 10:43
@ HanginInThere
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you need to get off all the drugs |
Q - have you tried naturals and had no sucess? I have stopped my balding totally, since 99 all with naturals, well i did try niz cream a year ago for 3 months and had good success with that but 99 percent of my success is with naturals.
A - One of the supplements:
Advanced Natural Prostate Formula with 5-Loxin®
Supplement Facts
Amount Per Serving
Saw Palmetto (Serenoa repens) (berries) CO2 extract 320 mg [std to 85%-95% free fatty acids and sterols (272 mg)]
Cernitin® Flower Pollen extract (Secale cereale L.) 252 mg
5-Loxin® (Boswellia serrata) extract (gum resin) [std. to 70 mg acetyl-11-keto-ß-boswellic acid (AKBA) minimum 30% (21 mg)]
Stinging nettle extract (Urtica dioica) (root)240 mg
Pygeum (Pygeum africanum) extract (bark)100 mg [std. to 11.7% sterols as beta-sitosterol (11.7 mg)]
Lycopene (from tomato extract) 10 mg
Phytosterol Complex [std. to 59% free total sterols 678 mg (400 mg) and 26.6% free beta-sitosterol (180 mg)]
Proprietary Enterolactone Precursors Blend 20.15 mg
HMRlignan™ Norway spruce (Picea abies) lignan extract (knot wood) [std. to 90% Hydroxymatairesinol potassium acetate complex]; ActiFlax™ Flax Lignan (Linum Usitatissimum L.) extract (seed) [std. to 40% Secoisolariciresinol diglucoside]
Boron (from boron citrate, glycinate, and aspartate)3 mg
Rosemary (Rosmarinus officinalis) extract 800 mcg
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HanginInThere
05.06.2008, 09:46
@ Ergh
|
I Need To Take More Drugs! |
» HIT - Ever since I started my battle back in 96, I've basically taken/used
» my current regiment (in part) plus Rogaine and every other snake oil that
» was the latest cure. As far as 'naturals', only the supplements I'm
» currently taking (plus Lysine @ times). I get 99% of them from
» http://www.lef.org.
if they are working and the side effects are worth it, then stick with it
if they are not working then why are you still taking this regimen
HanginInThere is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO ---
Hangin Regimen...........
Maxi Hair by Country Life 2/day
Kal Amino Max ..Chelated Multi Mineral..2/day
DHT blockers (daily intake)
Saw Palmetto, 320mg Standardized
Pygeum 500mg
Nettles 500mg
Beta Sitosterol 125mg
2% Nizoral Cream Topically Nightly,,,after Shampoo |
Ergh
05.06.2008, 07:40
@ HanginInThere
|
I Need To Take More Drugs! |
HIT - Ever since I started my battle back in 96, I've basically taken/used my current regiment (in part) plus Rogaine and every other snake oil that was the latest cure. As far as 'naturals', only the supplements I'm currently taking (plus Lysine @ times). I get 99% of them from http://www.lef.org.
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HanginInThere
05.06.2008, 01:09
@ Ergh
|
you need to get off all the drugs |
» I may be a lucky one when it comes to tolerance. I have the same sex drive
» as I did 20 years ago (40 this yr), no bitch tits and no noticable
» headaches or 'fog'. I had a full blood panel with hormones about two years
» ago and all checked out well. I'd love to say I have had noticable growth,
» but can't really. Hence the mega session with H&W. The area they didn't
» touch was the crown and I haven't looked at it for some time. I will take
» a pic this w/e to compare to prior pictures and see if I'm not too lazy to
» post the comparison.
»
» I was serious about the dut question though. I am interested in overall
» health more than a full head of hair. Barring the obvious noted side
» effects, if there is a known indicator of toxicity, I'd love to know.
have you tried naturals and had no sucess?
I have stopped my balding totally, since 99 all with naturals, well i did try niz cream a year ago for 3 months and had good success with that but 99 percent of my success is with naturals
HanginInThere is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO ---
Hangin Regimen...........
Maxi Hair by Country Life 2/day
Kal Amino Max ..Chelated Multi Mineral..2/day
DHT blockers (daily intake)
Saw Palmetto, 320mg Standardized
Pygeum 500mg
Nettles 500mg
Beta Sitosterol 125mg
2% Nizoral Cream Topically Nightly,,,after Shampoo |
Ergh
05.06.2008, 00:08
@ HanginInThere
|
you need to get off all the drugs |
I may be a lucky one when it comes to tolerance. I have the same sex drive as I did 20 years ago (40 this yr), no bitch tits and no noticable headaches or 'fog'. I had a full blood panel with hormones about two years ago and all checked out well. I'd love to say I have had noticable growth, but can't really. Hence the mega session with H&W. The area they didn't touch was the crown and I haven't looked at it for some time. I will take a pic this w/e to compare to prior pictures and see if I'm not too lazy to post the comparison.
I was serious about the dut question though. I am interested in overall health more than a full head of hair. Barring the obvious noted side effects, if there is a known indicator of toxicity, I'd love to know.
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HanginInThere
04.06.2008, 23:54
@ brm
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you need to get off all the drugs |
» The only dangerous thing in there is dut. But very much so.
danger is different for each individual, we all react in different ways to different regimens
he said he thinks he was having neg side effects even at week two...............if you are having neg side effects why stay on a regimen
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Hangin Regimen...........
Maxi Hair by Country Life 2/day
Kal Amino Max ..Chelated Multi Mineral..2/day
DHT blockers (daily intake)
Saw Palmetto, 320mg Standardized
Pygeum 500mg
Nettles 500mg
Beta Sitosterol 125mg
2% Nizoral Cream Topically Nightly,,,after Shampoo |
Ergh
04.06.2008, 22:46
@ brm
|
n/t |
n/t
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Ergh
04.06.2008, 22:46
@ brm
|
you need to get off all the drugs |
Excuse my ignorance, but in what ways dangerous? Are there specific indications of dut toxicity?
And here it goes:
Topical: Emu & Nizoral Cream
Shampoo: Revita
Internal:
Fucoxanthin
Naltrexone 4.5
Avodart
Proscar
Super BioActive CoQ10 Ubiquinol
Super Omega-3 EPA/DHA with Sesame Lignans & Olive Fruit Extract
Mega GLA with Sesame Lignans
Super Booster Softgels
Super-Absorbable Soy Isoflavones
"R"-Dihydro-Lipoic Acid
Super CLA Blend with Guarana and Sesame Lignans
Life Extension Mix™ Caps
Mitochondrial Energy Optimizer with SODzyme™
L-Glutamine
Advanced Natural Prostate Formula with 5-Loxin®
DHEA Complete
Natural Estrogen with Pomegranate Extract
Super Curcumin with Bioperine®
Mega Green Tea Extract (Decaffeinated)
Grapeseed Extract with Resveratrol
Resveratrol
Bromelain
Taurine
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brm
04.06.2008, 16:31
@ HanginInThere
|
you need to get off all the drugs |
The only dangerous thing in there is dut. But very much so.
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HanginInThere
04.06.2008, 07:08
@ Goingallout
|
you need to get off all the drugs |
» » I am going to start a log of my results on the following regime which I
» am
» » in the process of starting up. But first I have some questions that
» are
» » asked in the parantheses below:
» »
» » 0.5 Dutasteride daily
» » Rogaine Foam 2x daily (should I only apply it to the crown and vertex
» or
» » also to my hairline)?
» » Nizoral 2% cream (how often do people suggest?)
» » 1g Lysine daily
» » 2,000 mcg Biotin daily
» » 4 g daily MSM
» » 10g of L-Arginine (this is said to stimulate the release of growth
» » hormone, especially in those who exercise)
» » Multivitamin
» »
» » Any thoughts?
»
» While Dut does work for me at least as well as I can imagine something
» working, I am having to take a break because of the depression, headaches,
» memory loss side effects. I haven't decided what my approach will be or
» whether I'll even go back on....I think maybe I'll stick with a two minutes
» of topical application a couple of times a week approach and leave it at
» that.
you are bombarding your self with dangerous drugs, DUT can be absorbed systemically
I would rather go bald than take all the drugs you are taking
have you already tried a combo of pygeum nettles Saw Palmetto and a super hair vitamin? if not why not
its like you are trying for a gold medal in every hair drug on the market
HanginInThere is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO ---
Hangin Regimen...........
Maxi Hair by Country Life 2/day
Kal Amino Max ..Chelated Multi Mineral..2/day
DHT blockers (daily intake)
Saw Palmetto, 320mg Standardized
Pygeum 500mg
Nettles 500mg
Beta Sitosterol 125mg
2% Nizoral Cream Topically Nightly,,,after Shampoo |
Goingallout
02.06.2008, 18:09
@ Goingallout
|
12th Week Update: Taking a Break |
» I am going to start a log of my results on the following regime which I am
» in the process of starting up. But first I have some questions that are
» asked in the parantheses below:
»
» 0.5 Dutasteride daily
» Rogaine Foam 2x daily (should I only apply it to the crown and vertex or
» also to my hairline)?
» Nizoral 2% cream (how often do people suggest?)
» 1g Lysine daily
» 2,000 mcg Biotin daily
» 4 g daily MSM
» 10g of L-Arginine (this is said to stimulate the release of growth
» hormone, especially in those who exercise)
» Multivitamin
»
» Any thoughts?
While Dut does work for me at least as well as I can imagine something working, I am having to take a break because of the depression, headaches, memory loss side effects. I haven't decided what my approach will be or whether I'll even go back on....I think maybe I'll stick with a two minutes of topical application a couple of times a week approach and leave it at that.
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Goingallout
27.04.2008, 18:56
@ Goingallout
|
8th Week: I've found it -- i.e.what works for me |
» I am going to start a log of my results on the following regime which I am
» in the process of starting up. But first I have some questions that are
» asked in the parantheses below:
»
» 0.5 Dutasteride daily
» Rogaine Foam 2x daily (should I only apply it to the crown and vertex or
» also to my hairline)?
» Nizoral 2% cream (how often do people suggest?)
» 1g Lysine daily
» 2,000 mcg Biotin daily
» 4 g daily MSM
» 10g of L-Arginine (this is said to stimulate the release of growth
» hormone, especially in those who exercise)
» Multivitamin
»
» Any thoughts?
I am officially declaring what works for me. This regime has caused a lot of vellus hairs to sprout and some of them seem as if they're turning into terminal hairs. Judging by what I am experiencing now, it looks like it will just restore a couple years worth of loss and that it will take more than 6 months to show really noticeable effect simply because it will take that long for the short hairs I have now to grow to adequate length and thickness.
I am sure it's mostly the Dutasteride. I have experienced very minor shedding, but more than usual. Usually, because of what I was using before -- fish, borage, flax oil and SP and beta sis -- I had almost no shedding. But I had less growth. Now growth is happening.
I switched to topical Dut in aloe vera gel and I will take 320 mg of SP a day with 120 mg beta sis.
This is not a miracle, but the results are good.
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Goingallout
16.04.2008, 22:17
@ Goingallout
|
6th Week Update: What makes this worth all the hassle |
» » Right, so far so good. I suggest you don't post again until something
» new
» » happens. Because you might think that your posts are unread if weeks
» pass
» » by without anything dramatic occurring. Reports about your libido will
» be
» » intersting around the 3 month mark. That 's when my problems begun when
» I
» » took high dose finasteride. As to the itching, dut is known to suppress
» » both excess facial and scalp sebum... to the point skin becomes dry.
» Watch
» » it.
»
» Thanks for the feedback. Good point. I'll follow it.
»
» Regarding your experience, were you one who said Dut caused breast growth?
» How long had you been taking this when it happened? Did you ever try
» topical Dut vs. taking it orally?
»
» Thanks in advance for your responses.
Never mind. I found your post about it. Thanks again.
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Goingallout
16.04.2008, 22:15
@ brm
|
6th Week Update: What makes this worth all the hassle |
» Right, so far so good. I suggest you don't post again until something new
» happens. Because you might think that your posts are unread if weeks pass
» by without anything dramatic occurring. Reports about your libido will be
» intersting around the 3 month mark. That 's when my problems begun when I
» took high dose finasteride. As to the itching, dut is known to suppress
» both excess facial and scalp sebum... to the point skin becomes dry. Watch
» it.
Thanks for the feedback. Good point. I'll follow it.
Regarding your experience, were you one who said Dut caused breast growth? How long had you been taking this when it happened? Did you ever try topical Dut vs. taking it orally?
Thanks in advance for your responses.
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brm
16.04.2008, 22:03
@ Goingallout
|
6th Week Update: What makes this worth all the hassle |
Right, so far so good. I suggest you don't post again until something new happens. Because you might think that your posts are unread if weeks pass by without anything dramatic occurring. Reports about your libido will be intersting around the 3 month mark. That 's when my problems begun when I took high dose finasteride. As to the itching, dut is known to suppress both excess facial and scalp sebum... to the point skin becomes dry. Watch it.
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Goingallout
15.04.2008, 11:39
@ Goingallout
|
6th Week Update: What makes this worth all the hassle |
» I am going to start a log of my results on the following regime which I am
» in the process of starting up. But first I have some questions that are
» asked in the parantheses below:
»
» 0.5 Dutasteride daily
» Rogaine Foam 2x daily (should I only apply it to the crown and vertex or
» also to my hairline)?
» Nizoral 2% cream (how often do people suggest?)
» 1g Lysine daily
» 2,000 mcg Biotin daily
» 4 g daily MSM
» 10g of L-Arginine (this is said to stimulate the release of growth
» hormone, especially in those who exercise)
» Multivitamin
»
» Any thoughts?
My headaches are gone. I think the solution is to eat when I take the Dutasteride. My slightly changed regime has been listed on recent postings.
I was going to quit owing to headaches, but that's not an issue now as I said.
I've gotten growth of increasingly long blonde hairs in the temple areas. They are almost completely unnoticeable; however, I think these need time. I have no idea if I'm getting growth anywhere else on my head -- I have enough hair that it's hard to tell.
I would wonder whether these "baby steps" would be worth the headaches I had or the lessening of libido. But my scalp feels so damn good. So far as I can tell between the Dut and the Nizoral -- at least that's what I imagine is doing it -- my scalp itch is gone entirely and my head feels really good.
So for right now, I'll wait on what I have. Can't say things are happening dramatically, but things are happening.
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Goingallout
07.04.2008, 12:31
(edited by Goingallout, 07.04.2008, 13:00)
@ Goingallout
|
5th week update: headaches stopped, libido getting better, no scalp itch |
» I am going to start a log of my results on the following regime which I am
» in the process of starting up. But first I have some questions that are
» asked in the parantheses below:
»
» 0.5 Dutasteride daily
» Rogaine Foam 2x daily (should I only apply it to the crown and vertex or
» also to my hairline)?
» Nizoral 2% cream (how often do people suggest?)
» 1g Lysine daily
» 2,000 mcg Biotin daily
» 4 g daily MSM
» 10g of L-Arginine (this is said to stimulate the release of growth
» hormone, especially in those who exercise)
» Multivitamin
»
» Any thoughts?
0.5mg Dutasteride daily
Rogaine Liquid 2x daily (with L-Carnitine added)
Nizoral 2% cream usually once daily
Nizoral 1% shampoo twice a week
1g Lysine daily
1 tablet of Maxi Hair
3 g daily MSM
10g of L-Arginine (this is said to stimulate the release of growth hormone, especially in those who exercise)
Multivitamin
6-8 grams of Fish Oil
The headaches I was having have subsided. I think I'll stay on DUT and take days off now and then. If I'm not mistaken, it helps to take it with food.
- Hair loss: No appreciable loss or shedding. Haven't had any major shedding for years since making fish oil and vitamins a regular thing.
- Hair growth: Minor, minor signs of growth around temples. Frankly, haven't been tracking my "bald spot" area.
- Libido: Diminished, but coming back
- Other side effects: Drastic slowing of beard growth as others have reported.
- Good side effect: All my scalp itch is gone. My scalp feels very good. I'd like to see a good explanation of what causes the scalp to itch during the hair loss process. The itch feels just like the itch that occurs during when one has a scab from a healing wound. It seems very possible to me that the itching process is related to the closing off of blood flow to the scalp, that the process is one of inflammation and scarring and loss of blood flow altogether. This is all pure speculation. But on this regime, my scalp feels as if it is nourished and refreshed.
I am waiting for the reputed 6-8 week shed from DUT to see if anything happens.
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brm
02.04.2008, 15:31
@ HanginInThere
|
The 4th week Update -- Thinking about going off of DUT because of side effects |
hangin's right. drop this DUT crap before it has impaired your libido for a long time if not more. try nettle root or beta sis more generally. had I known what the effects of high dosage fin were, I would have tried the naturals first. But now i'm trapped. I have more hair than when I was on the standard 1mg fin propecia but last time I tried to drop my current fin dosage from 2.5 to 2mg a day, I went to shedding 400 hairs a day. So I had to up it back.
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HanginInThere
02.04.2008, 10:01
@ Goingallout
|
The 4th week Update -- Thinking about going off of DUT because of side effects |
» » » I am going to start a log of my results on the following regime which
» I
» » am
» » » in the process of starting up. But first I have some questions that
» » are
» » » asked in the parantheses below:
» » »
» » » 0.5 Dutasteride daily
» » » Rogaine Foam 2x daily (should I only apply it to the crown and vertex
» » or
» » » also to my hairline)?
» » » Nizoral 2% cream (how often do people suggest?)
» » » 1g Lysine daily
» » » 2,000 mcg Biotin daily
» » » 4 g daily MSM
» » » 10g of L-Arginine (this is said to stimulate the release of growth
» » » hormone, especially in those who exercise)
» » » Multivitamin
» » »
» » » Any thoughts?
» »
» » I started this regime on March 4th, but started with Dut, and hadn't
» » received shipment until about a week ago on the Niz cream. I changed
» out
» » the Rogaine foam for Minoxidil 5% (from Costco) because people said the
» » foam seemed to cause their hair to fall out. So I guess could say this
» » should count as my first week on this full regime, but is my fourth
» week
» » on Dut.
» »
» » 0.5mg Dutasteride daily
» » Rogaine Foam 2x daily
» » Nizoral 2% cream usually once daily, sometimes twice
» » Nizoral 1% shampoo twice a week
» » 1g Lysine daily
» » 1 tablet of Maxi Hair
» » 3 g daily MSM
» » 10g of L-Arginine (this is said to stimulate the release of growth
» » hormone, especially in those who exercise)
» » Multivitamin
» » 6-8 grams of Fish Oil
» »
» » RESULTS/EFFECTS: PLUS: Hair starting to come in on the right temple,
» » probably the left one too (I haven't looked that closely). I don't see
» any
» » particular effect on my hairline further up, but I am not bothering to
» look
» » that closely until I am a few months into this thing. This is lighter
» color
» » peach fuzz type hair, I guess that's called vellus. It's very short,
» but
» » growing longer and in a minor way thicker. PLUS: scalp itch almost
» » non-existent, I had forgotten how it was to have a non-itchy scalp.
» This
» » is actually huge in terms of better comfort, and I am convinced that
» scalp
» » itch and hair loss correlate significantly. I had the greatest scalp
» itch
» » in the same place on my right side where I had the greatest recession
» --
» » i.e. at the top of the temple going back up to the vertex -- sort of a
» » David Letterman-type look. MINUS: I'm a little dead downstairs and this
» » wouldn't be acceptable were I not in a personal situation where it's
» » probably for the better. I can function, but I have less ejaculate.
» MINUS:
» » Strange feeling in the head sometimes. It goes away when I exercise more
» or
» » less. I had some headaches at first, but those are gone. NEUTRAL: Is
» » enhanced testosterone making me somewhat more aggressive?
»
»
»
» DUT makes me dopey. I have slight headaches. It's definitely having
» neurological effects. I don't mind the sexual side effects which have
» been subsiding. But I am wondering if I erred in going straight to the
» hard stuff -- DUT -- rather than trying higher doses of Saw Palmetto or
» trying Finasteride. This just can't be good for a person to feel the
» head-in-the-vise feelings I am feeling. What I'll really miss, if I do go
» off of it, is the lack of scalp itch. I haven't been exercising, but when
» I do exercise the effects on my head seem to be less. I am going to make
» sure I exercise everyday for a week and if I don't feel better, it's going
» to be Finasteride or more Saw P. instead
i would go off the DUT for sure, lots of complaints of side effects
as far as Prop i would wait, and try more of a mixture of naturals instead of increasing dosage of SP
SP is a very weak 5 ar inhibitor
I would say, mix up the SP , pygeum nettles beta sis , etc
beta sis is 3000 times more powerful than SP
google beta sitosterol 3000 and watch what comes up
HanginInThere is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO ---
Hangin Regimen...........
Maxi Hair by Country Life 2/day
Kal Amino Max ..Chelated Multi Mineral..2/day
DHT blockers (daily intake)
Saw Palmetto, 320mg Standardized
Pygeum 500mg
Nettles 500mg
Beta Sitosterol 125mg
2% Nizoral Cream Topically Nightly,,,after Shampoo |
Goingallout
01.04.2008, 20:51
@ Goingallout
|
The 4th week Update -- Thinking about going off of DUT because of side effects |
» » I am going to start a log of my results on the following regime which I
» am
» » in the process of starting up. But first I have some questions that
» are
» » asked in the parantheses below:
» »
» » 0.5 Dutasteride daily
» » Rogaine Foam 2x daily (should I only apply it to the crown and vertex
» or
» » also to my hairline)?
» » Nizoral 2% cream (how often do people suggest?)
» » 1g Lysine daily
» » 2,000 mcg Biotin daily
» » 4 g daily MSM
» » 10g of L-Arginine (this is said to stimulate the release of growth
» » hormone, especially in those who exercise)
» » Multivitamin
» »
» » Any thoughts?
»
» I started this regime on March 4th, but started with Dut, and hadn't
» received shipment until about a week ago on the Niz cream. I changed out
» the Rogaine foam for Minoxidil 5% (from Costco) because people said the
» foam seemed to cause their hair to fall out. So I guess could say this
» should count as my first week on this full regime, but is my fourth week
» on Dut.
»
» 0.5mg Dutasteride daily
» Rogaine Foam 2x daily
» Nizoral 2% cream usually once daily, sometimes twice
» Nizoral 1% shampoo twice a week
» 1g Lysine daily
» 1 tablet of Maxi Hair
» 3 g daily MSM
» 10g of L-Arginine (this is said to stimulate the release of growth
» hormone, especially in those who exercise)
» Multivitamin
» 6-8 grams of Fish Oil
»
» RESULTS/EFFECTS: PLUS: Hair starting to come in on the right temple,
» probably the left one too (I haven't looked that closely). I don't see any
» particular effect on my hairline further up, but I am not bothering to look
» that closely until I am a few months into this thing. This is lighter color
» peach fuzz type hair, I guess that's called vellus. It's very short, but
» growing longer and in a minor way thicker. PLUS: scalp itch almost
» non-existent, I had forgotten how it was to have a non-itchy scalp. This
» is actually huge in terms of better comfort, and I am convinced that scalp
» itch and hair loss correlate significantly. I had the greatest scalp itch
» in the same place on my right side where I had the greatest recession --
» i.e. at the top of the temple going back up to the vertex -- sort of a
» David Letterman-type look. MINUS: I'm a little dead downstairs and this
» wouldn't be acceptable were I not in a personal situation where it's
» probably for the better. I can function, but I have less ejaculate. MINUS:
» Strange feeling in the head sometimes. It goes away when I exercise more or
» less. I had some headaches at first, but those are gone. NEUTRAL: Is
» enhanced testosterone making me somewhat more aggressive?
DUT makes me dopey. I have slight headaches. It's definitely having neurological effects. I don't mind the sexual side effects which have been subsiding. But I am wondering if I erred in going straight to the hard stuff -- DUT -- rather than trying higher doses of Saw Palmetto or trying Finasteride. This just can't be good for a person to feel the head-in-the-vise feelings I am feeling. What I'll really miss, if I do go off of it, is the lack of scalp itch. I haven't been exercising, but when I do exercise the effects on my head seem to be less. I am going to make sure I exercise everyday for a week and if I don't feel better, it's going to be Finasteride or more Saw P. instead.
Goingallout is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
vivace67
Canada,
30.03.2008, 14:36
@ Goingallout
|
3rd week report -- Minor sexual issues, no effects, not staying consistent. |
» I get the Nizoral cream at inhousepharmacy.com, the same place where I get
» generic Dutasteride. Delivery to the US (I imagine Canada too) takes about
» 10 days.
they don't ship to Canada
vivace67 is located in CANADA and he is available to meet: NO ---
Hair Regime
Propecia 1mg (daily)
5% Minoxidal (twice daily)
Hair-Max (2pills/day)
Saw Palmetto (320mg) & Pygeum Extract (daily)
Nettle Herb 870mg (daily)
HairMax Laser Comb (use 3 times/week)
Nizoral Shampoo (about 3 times a week) |
vivace67
Canada,
30.03.2008, 14:27
@ Goingallout
|
Goingallout: Re: Laser Comb |
»
» I don't get how the laser comb is supposed to work. To be honest, I've
» been skeptical of that. Can you tell me more? What brand do you have?
i would say the things i can say absolutely worked for me is propeica and lasercomb...i've been on propecia for about 7 years and using laser comb for about 2 years...
i think i paid about $600US for it ..i ordered it online from their site: http://www.lasercomb.net/
vivace67 is located in CANADA and he is available to meet: NO ---
Hair Regime
Propecia 1mg (daily)
5% Minoxidal (twice daily)
Hair-Max (2pills/day)
Saw Palmetto (320mg) & Pygeum Extract (daily)
Nettle Herb 870mg (daily)
HairMax Laser Comb (use 3 times/week)
Nizoral Shampoo (about 3 times a week) |
Goingallout
27.03.2008, 13:56
@ Goingallout
|
The 4th week Update |
» I am going to start a log of my results on the following regime which I am
» in the process of starting up. But first I have some questions that are
» asked in the parantheses below:
»
» 0.5 Dutasteride daily
» Rogaine Foam 2x daily (should I only apply it to the crown and vertex or
» also to my hairline)?
» Nizoral 2% cream (how often do people suggest?)
» 1g Lysine daily
» 2,000 mcg Biotin daily
» 4 g daily MSM
» 10g of L-Arginine (this is said to stimulate the release of growth
» hormone, especially in those who exercise)
» Multivitamin
»
» Any thoughts?
I started this regime on March 4th, but started with Dut, and hadn't received shipment until about a week ago on the Niz cream. I changed out the Rogaine foam for Minoxidil 5% (from Costco) because people said the foam seemed to cause their hair to fall out. So I guess could say this should count as my first week on this full regime, but is my fourth week on Dut.
0.5mg Dutasteride daily
Rogaine Foam 2x daily
Nizoral 2% cream usually once daily, sometimes twice
Nizoral 1% shampoo twice a week
1g Lysine daily
1 tablet of Maxi Hair
3 g daily MSM
10g of L-Arginine (this is said to stimulate the release of growth hormone, especially in those who exercise)
Multivitamin
6-8 grams of Fish Oil
RESULTS/EFFECTS: PLUS: Hair starting to come in on the right temple, probably the left one too (I haven't looked that closely). I don't see any particular effect on my hairline further up, but I am not bothering to look that closely until I am a few months into this thing. This is lighter color peach fuzz type hair, I guess that's called vellus. It's very short, but growing longer and in a minor way thicker. PLUS: scalp itch almost non-existent, I had forgotten how it was to have a non-itchy scalp. This is actually huge in terms of better comfort, and I am convinced that scalp itch and hair loss correlate significantly. I had the greatest scalp itch in the same place on my right side where I had the greatest recession -- i.e. at the top of the temple going back up to the vertex -- sort of a David Letterman-type look. MINUS: I'm a little dead downstairs and this wouldn't be acceptable were I not in a personal situation where it's probably for the better. I can function, but I have less ejaculate. MINUS: Strange feeling in the head sometimes. It goes away when I exercise more or less. I had some headaches at first, but those are gone. NEUTRAL: Is enhanced testosterone making me somewhat more aggressive?
Goingallout is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
Goingallout
25.03.2008, 10:04
@ HanginInThere
|
Another 3rd Week Report: Nizoral Cream Relieves Itch, Hair Growth in Temples? |
» most guys including myself do not experience decrease libido on the
» naturals, it happens but its rare, its not like propecia
»
» propecia decreases SERUM dht levels, blood levels of dht , not a good
» thing, you need dht in your blood
» SP has been shown to NOt Decrease blood levels of dht...................
»
» are you taking super hair vitamin or any other vitamin type mineral combo
» u might list your regimen in your signature
» makes it easier to give advice instead of guys having to always ask for
» it
»
» thats what i do
What I've found from research is that serum DHT is known to be necessary for things such as 1) proper development of the penis and gonads during and before puberty (not a problem for me 2) a deep voice (not a problem) 3) optimal libido (I am willing to take the hit to my libido for awhile, and actually this is probably a good thing for me since my appetite for women gets me into trouble sometimes -- i.e. oversexed with women I am not long-term attracted to, etc. Some people suggest DHT is potentially important for things like our heart muscle and perhaps for our brain. While these things are all important, some are unproven and others I think will not be of concern for short periods of time. In other words, I am willing to take the risk.
For these reasons, I decided to take 0.5 mg of Dutasteride instead of 2.5mg (not to mention cost) -- because that way there will still be some serum DHT.
I am planning to cycle on and off this stuff.
0.5mg Dutasteride daily
Rogaine Foam 2x daily
Nizoral 2% cream
1g Lysine daily
2,000 mcg Biotin daily
4 g daily MSM
10g of L-Arginine (this is said to stimulate the release of growth hormone, especially in those who exercise)
Maxi Hair
Multivitamin
Goingallout is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
HanginInThere
24.03.2008, 23:46
@ Goingallout
|
Another 3rd Week Report: Nizoral Cream Relieves Itch, Hair Growth in Temples? |
most guys including myself do not experience decrease libido on the naturals, it happens but its rare, its not like propecia
propecia decreases SERUM dht levels, blood levels of dht , not a good thing, you need dht in your blood
SP has been shown to NOt Decrease blood levels of dht...................
are you taking super hair vitamin or any other vitamin type mineral combo
u might list your regimen in your signature
makes it easier to give advice instead of guys having to always ask for it
thats what i do
HanginInThere is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO ---
Hangin Regimen...........
Maxi Hair by Country Life 2/day
Kal Amino Max ..Chelated Multi Mineral..2/day
DHT blockers (daily intake)
Saw Palmetto, 320mg Standardized
Pygeum 500mg
Nettles 500mg
Beta Sitosterol 125mg
2% Nizoral Cream Topically Nightly,,,after Shampoo |
Goingallout
24.03.2008, 22:47
@ HanginInThere
|
Another 3rd Week Report: Nizoral Cream Relieves Itch, Hair Growth in Temples? |
» » » » » » » I am going to start a log of my results on the following
» regime
» » » » which
» » » » » I
» » » » » » am
» » » » » » » in the process of starting up. But first I have some
» questions
» » » » that
» » » » » » are
» » » » » » » asked in the parantheses below:
» » » » » » »
» » » » » » » 0.5 Dutasteride daily
» » » » » » » Rogaine Foam 2x daily (should I only apply it to the crown
» and
» » » » vertex
» » » » » » or
» » » » » » » also to my hairline)?
» » » » » » » Nizoral 2% cream (how often do people suggest?)
» » » » » » » 1g Lysine daily
» » » » » » » 2,000 mcg Biotin daily
» » » » » » » 4 g daily MSM
» » » » » » » 10g of L-Arginine (this is said to stimulate the release of
» » » growth
» » » » » » » hormone, especially in those who exercise)
» » » » » » » Multivitamin
» » » » » » »
» » » » » » » Any thoughts?
» » » » » »
» » » » » » Okay, only two days since my last post. Two things have
» changed.
» » » » » Firstly,
» » » » » » I actually received my order of Nizoral Cream. I thought all my
» » » scalp
» » » » » itch
» » » » » » was gone, but when I apply the cream it really takes away a
» » slight
» » » » itch
» » » » » » that I still apparently had. Will this help? Something tells
» me
» » » it's
» » » » a
» » » » » » good sign.
» » » » » »
» » » » » » I have seen some thin, light-colored hairs growing in my temple
» » » » region.
» » » » » » Signs of some Dutasteride-spurred regrowth? It does certainly
» » seem
» » » » that
» » » » » » these hairs would not be there without some element of my
» regime
» » » » making
» » » » » it
» » » » » » so. I am resisting spending too much time scanning my scalp for
» » new
» » » » » growth.
» » » » » » I'll be convinced if things are significantly different 6
» months
» » or
» » » » » after.
» » » » »
» » » » » not sure about combining the niz cream with dut, you are taking a
» » lot
» » » » of
» » » » » stuff that might conflict
» » » » » i had a pretty noticeable shed starting about 6 wks with the niz
» » » cream,
» » » » so
» » » » » be prepared for that
» » » »
» » » » Thanks, Hangin'. I appreciate your message. I get the notion that
» » maybe
» » » » some of these things are not good to mix, perhaps for reasons
» unknown.
» »
» » » » But wouldn't that be the same for Nizoral cream and SP/Beta as well
» » --
» » » and
» » » » that seems to work for you?
» » »
» » » is the DUT a topical or what is that
» »
» »
» » Dutasteride: I get it in generic form from Dr. Reddy's (I think it's
» » called). 0.5mg. It's a pill. I could see the viewpoint that two
» topicals
» » mixing might have cross-purpose effects. But two anti-DHT medications
» one
» » topical the other a pill, would that?
»
» that i am not sure, but since the dut has a bad reputation of side effects
» and it is a drug, and the natural dht blockers well are you taking any
» naturals saw palmetto etc?
I was taking SP intermittently. My hair loss has slowed for a few years while I have taken various vitamins and things like SP (very little hair in the sink), but with little regrowth was still proceeding steadily. I decided to put together this regime to try to regrow hair in the way you discussed it in your post.
The side effects are there for me, but I'll deal with them for awhile and then cycle of Dut for awhile. Also, they haven't killed my libido just slowed it down a bit.
Goingallout is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
HanginInThere
24.03.2008, 20:32
@ Goingallout
|
Another 3rd Week Report: Nizoral Cream Relieves Itch, Hair Growth in Temples? |
» » » » » » I am going to start a log of my results on the following regime
» » » which
» » » » I
» » » » » am
» » » » » » in the process of starting up. But first I have some questions
» » » that
» » » » » are
» » » » » » asked in the parantheses below:
» » » » » »
» » » » » » 0.5 Dutasteride daily
» » » » » » Rogaine Foam 2x daily (should I only apply it to the crown and
» » » vertex
» » » » » or
» » » » » » also to my hairline)?
» » » » » » Nizoral 2% cream (how often do people suggest?)
» » » » » » 1g Lysine daily
» » » » » » 2,000 mcg Biotin daily
» » » » » » 4 g daily MSM
» » » » » » 10g of L-Arginine (this is said to stimulate the release of
» » growth
» » » » » » hormone, especially in those who exercise)
» » » » » » Multivitamin
» » » » » »
» » » » » » Any thoughts?
» » » » »
» » » » » Okay, only two days since my last post. Two things have changed.
» » » » Firstly,
» » » » » I actually received my order of Nizoral Cream. I thought all my
» » scalp
» » » » itch
» » » » » was gone, but when I apply the cream it really takes away a
» slight
» » » itch
» » » » » that I still apparently had. Will this help? Something tells me
» » it's
» » » a
» » » » » good sign.
» » » » »
» » » » » I have seen some thin, light-colored hairs growing in my temple
» » » region.
» » » » » Signs of some Dutasteride-spurred regrowth? It does certainly
» seem
» » » that
» » » » » these hairs would not be there without some element of my regime
» » » making
» » » » it
» » » » » so. I am resisting spending too much time scanning my scalp for
» new
» » » » growth.
» » » » » I'll be convinced if things are significantly different 6 months
» or
» » » » after.
» » » »
» » » » not sure about combining the niz cream with dut, you are taking a
» lot
» » » of
» » » » stuff that might conflict
» » » » i had a pretty noticeable shed starting about 6 wks with the niz
» » cream,
» » » so
» » » » be prepared for that
» » »
» » » Thanks, Hangin'. I appreciate your message. I get the notion that
» maybe
» » » some of these things are not good to mix, perhaps for reasons unknown.
»
» » » But wouldn't that be the same for Nizoral cream and SP/Beta as well
» --
» » and
» » » that seems to work for you?
» »
» » is the DUT a topical or what is that
»
»
» Dutasteride: I get it in generic form from Dr. Reddy's (I think it's
» called). 0.5mg. It's a pill. I could see the viewpoint that two topicals
» mixing might have cross-purpose effects. But two anti-DHT medications one
» topical the other a pill, would that?
that i am not sure, but since the dut has a bad reputation of side effects and it is a drug, and the natural dht blockers well are you taking any naturals saw palmetto etc?
HanginInThere is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO ---
Hangin Regimen...........
Maxi Hair by Country Life 2/day
Kal Amino Max ..Chelated Multi Mineral..2/day
DHT blockers (daily intake)
Saw Palmetto, 320mg Standardized
Pygeum 500mg
Nettles 500mg
Beta Sitosterol 125mg
2% Nizoral Cream Topically Nightly,,,after Shampoo |
Goingallout
24.03.2008, 19:06
@ HanginInThere
|
Another 3rd Week Report: Nizoral Cream Relieves Itch, Hair Growth in Temples? |
» » » » » I am going to start a log of my results on the following regime
» » which
» » » I
» » » » am
» » » » » in the process of starting up. But first I have some questions
» » that
» » » » are
» » » » » asked in the parantheses below:
» » » » »
» » » » » 0.5 Dutasteride daily
» » » » » Rogaine Foam 2x daily (should I only apply it to the crown and
» » vertex
» » » » or
» » » » » also to my hairline)?
» » » » » Nizoral 2% cream (how often do people suggest?)
» » » » » 1g Lysine daily
» » » » » 2,000 mcg Biotin daily
» » » » » 4 g daily MSM
» » » » » 10g of L-Arginine (this is said to stimulate the release of
» growth
» » » » » hormone, especially in those who exercise)
» » » » » Multivitamin
» » » » »
» » » » » Any thoughts?
» » » »
» » » » Okay, only two days since my last post. Two things have changed.
» » » Firstly,
» » » » I actually received my order of Nizoral Cream. I thought all my
» scalp
» » » itch
» » » » was gone, but when I apply the cream it really takes away a slight
» » itch
» » » » that I still apparently had. Will this help? Something tells me
» it's
» » a
» » » » good sign.
» » » »
» » » » I have seen some thin, light-colored hairs growing in my temple
» » region.
» » » » Signs of some Dutasteride-spurred regrowth? It does certainly seem
» » that
» » » » these hairs would not be there without some element of my regime
» » making
» » » it
» » » » so. I am resisting spending too much time scanning my scalp for new
» » » growth.
» » » » I'll be convinced if things are significantly different 6 months or
» » » after.
» » »
» » » not sure about combining the niz cream with dut, you are taking a lot
» » of
» » » stuff that might conflict
» » » i had a pretty noticeable shed starting about 6 wks with the niz
» cream,
» » so
» » » be prepared for that
» »
» » Thanks, Hangin'. I appreciate your message. I get the notion that maybe
» » some of these things are not good to mix, perhaps for reasons unknown.
» » But wouldn't that be the same for Nizoral cream and SP/Beta as well --
» and
» » that seems to work for you?
»
» is the DUT a topical or what is that
Dutasteride: I get it in generic form from Dr. Reddy's (I think it's called). 0.5mg. It's a pill. I could see the viewpoint that two topicals mixing might have cross-purpose effects. But two anti-DHT medications one topical the other a pill, would that?
Goingallout is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
HanginInThere
24.03.2008, 16:33
@ Goingallout
|
Another 3rd Week Report: Nizoral Cream Relieves Itch, Hair Growth in Temples? |
» » » » I am going to start a log of my results on the following regime
» which
» » I
» » » am
» » » » in the process of starting up. But first I have some questions
» that
» » » are
» » » » asked in the parantheses below:
» » » »
» » » » 0.5 Dutasteride daily
» » » » Rogaine Foam 2x daily (should I only apply it to the crown and
» vertex
» » » or
» » » » also to my hairline)?
» » » » Nizoral 2% cream (how often do people suggest?)
» » » » 1g Lysine daily
» » » » 2,000 mcg Biotin daily
» » » » 4 g daily MSM
» » » » 10g of L-Arginine (this is said to stimulate the release of growth
» » » » hormone, especially in those who exercise)
» » » » Multivitamin
» » » »
» » » » Any thoughts?
» » »
» » » Okay, only two days since my last post. Two things have changed.
» » Firstly,
» » » I actually received my order of Nizoral Cream. I thought all my scalp
» » itch
» » » was gone, but when I apply the cream it really takes away a slight
» itch
» » » that I still apparently had. Will this help? Something tells me it's
» a
» » » good sign.
» » »
» » » I have seen some thin, light-colored hairs growing in my temple
» region.
» » » Signs of some Dutasteride-spurred regrowth? It does certainly seem
» that
» » » these hairs would not be there without some element of my regime
» making
» » it
» » » so. I am resisting spending too much time scanning my scalp for new
» » growth.
» » » I'll be convinced if things are significantly different 6 months or
» » after.
» »
» » not sure about combining the niz cream with dut, you are taking a lot
» of
» » stuff that might conflict
» » i had a pretty noticeable shed starting about 6 wks with the niz cream,
» so
» » be prepared for that
»
» Thanks, Hangin'. I appreciate your message. I get the notion that maybe
» some of these things are not good to mix, perhaps for reasons unknown.
» But wouldn't that be the same for Nizoral cream and SP/Beta as well -- and
» that seems to work for you?
is the DUT a topical or what is that
HanginInThere is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO ---
Hangin Regimen...........
Maxi Hair by Country Life 2/day
Kal Amino Max ..Chelated Multi Mineral..2/day
DHT blockers (daily intake)
Saw Palmetto, 320mg Standardized
Pygeum 500mg
Nettles 500mg
Beta Sitosterol 125mg
2% Nizoral Cream Topically Nightly,,,after Shampoo |
Goingallout
24.03.2008, 15:23
@ HanginInThere
|
Another 3rd Week Report: Nizoral Cream Relieves Itch, Hair Growth in Temples? |
» » » I am going to start a log of my results on the following regime which
» I
» » am
» » » in the process of starting up. But first I have some questions that
» » are
» » » asked in the parantheses below:
» » »
» » » 0.5 Dutasteride daily
» » » Rogaine Foam 2x daily (should I only apply it to the crown and vertex
» » or
» » » also to my hairline)?
» » » Nizoral 2% cream (how often do people suggest?)
» » » 1g Lysine daily
» » » 2,000 mcg Biotin daily
» » » 4 g daily MSM
» » » 10g of L-Arginine (this is said to stimulate the release of growth
» » » hormone, especially in those who exercise)
» » » Multivitamin
» » »
» » » Any thoughts?
» »
» » Okay, only two days since my last post. Two things have changed.
» Firstly,
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