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robbyx

01.04.2008, 09:18
 

L Carnitine with DMSO (Topicals & Shampoos)

I wonder if anyone has tried this particular suggestion. It comes from Robert Jay Rowen, MD news letter of 26 Mar 08. The DMSO idea is particularly apposite. I had some correspondence about 4 years ago with Dr Jacobs who was the world leader on the use of DMSO. It has to be handled carefully because it will take anything through the skin. I have noticed that some of you have tried L Carnitine as part of a general protocol, but has this particular proposal been tried by any one here?

Could this be the cure for hair loss?

Big Pharma accidentally discovered that a patented drug used for blood pressure, minoxidil, helped regrow hair. Boy, did they make billions! But you don't need the drug. I am excited to tell you about a possible treatment for hair loss. If I could keep it a secret and market it, I probably would make a bazillion dollars in no time, just like Big Pharma. But I'd rather tell you about it and get your feedback. This is a dandy.

Researchers recently cultured human hair follicle cells. These are the skin cells responsible for making your hair. They incubated the cells with very low levels of L-carnitine tartrate for nine days. At the end of that time, the follicles treated with l-carnitine showed significant growth of hair.

But that's not all. The treatment also slowed apoptosis, or preprogrammed cell death. It improved division of cells essential to making hair. It improved local cell growth proteins in the outer root sheath.

The authors concluded their fascinating study urging more research of this safe nutraceutical approach to male pattern baldness and other forms of hair loss. I agree. But there's no reason to wait. It's harmless. And this isn't the only research I've seen on carnitine and hair loss. Other studies found that topical carnitine provides more ATP to the hair follicle cells. That makes sense since carnitine is intimately related to mitochondrial energy production from fatty acids.

Carnitine is readily available in your local health food store. Once you buy it, here's all you have to do: Take a capsule, dissolve it in a small amount of carrier solution, and apply it to your scalp. Since DMSO is an outstanding solvent and means to carry substances into the skin, a weak 20% solution of DMSO could be the ticket. DMSO 20% is unlikely to irritate your skin. And there is no drug risk from the carnitine. You can find DMSO on the Internet.

[i]If you try this solution, please let me know how it works. I'd love to beat Big Pharma at their own game.

Yours for better health and medical freedom,

Robert Jay Rowen, MD
To contact us:
Second Opinion
P.O. Box 467939
Atlanta, GA 31146
800-791-3213
770-399-5617

feedback@secondopinionnewsletter.com

Ref: "L-Carnitine-L-tartrate promotes human hair growth in vitro," Foitzik K, Paus R, et al, Exp Dermatol, 2007; 16(11): 936-45. i]
[/i]




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Goingallout

01.04.2008, 12:35

@ robbyx

L Carnitine with DMSO

I wonder if anyone has tried this particular suggestion. It comes from
Robert Jay Rowen, MD news letter of 26 Mar 08. The DMSO idea is
particularly apposite. I had some correspondence about 4 years ago with Dr
Jacobs who was the world leader on the use of DMSO. It has to be handled
carefully because it will take anything through the skin. I have noticed
that some of you have tried L Carnitine as part of a general protocol, but
has this particular proposal been tried by any one here?

Could this be the cure for hair loss?

Big Pharma accidentally discovered that a patented drug used for blood
pressure, minoxidil, helped regrow hair. Boy, did they make billions! But
you don't need the drug. I am excited to tell you about a possible
treatment for hair loss. If I could keep it a secret and market it, I
probably would make a bazillion dollars in no time, just like Big Pharma.
But I'd rather tell you about it and get your feedback. This is a dandy.

Researchers recently cultured human hair follicle cells. These are the
skin cells responsible for making your hair. They incubated the cells with
very low levels of L-carnitine tartrate for nine days. At the end of that
time, the follicles treated with l-carnitine showed significant growth of
hair.

But that's not all. The treatment also slowed apoptosis, or preprogrammed
cell death. It improved division of cells essential to making hair. It
improved local cell growth proteins in the outer root sheath.

The authors concluded their fascinating study urging more research of this
safe nutraceutical approach to male pattern baldness and other forms of
hair loss. I agree. But there's no reason to wait. It's harmless. And this
isn't the only research I've seen on carnitine and hair loss. Other studies
found that topical carnitine provides more ATP to the hair follicle cells.
That makes sense since carnitine is intimately related to mitochondrial
energy production from fatty acids.

Carnitine is readily available in your local health food store. Once you
buy it, here's all you have to do: Take a capsule, dissolve it in a small
amount of carrier solution, and apply it to your scalp. Since DMSO is an
outstanding solvent and means to carry substances into the skin, a weak
20% solution of DMSO could be the ticket. DMSO 20% is unlikely to irritate
your skin. And there is no drug risk from the carnitine. You can find DMSO
on the Internet.

[i]If you try this solution, please let me know how it works. I'd love to
beat Big Pharma at their own game.

Yours for better health and medical freedom,

Robert Jay Rowen, MD
To contact us:
Second Opinion
P.O. Box 467939
Atlanta, GA 31146
800-791-3213
770-399-5617

feedback@secondopinionnewsletter.com

Ref: "L-Carnitine-L-tartrate promotes human hair growth in vitro," Foitzik
K, Paus R, et al, Exp Dermatol, 2007; 16(11): 936-45. i]
[/i]


It's a bit unnerving that this was posted on April Fool's Day. Nonetheless, I'll give it a whirl. I'll let you know how the process goes.

ONE QUESTION, though: when you say a 20% DMSO solution, is the rest just water (apart from the Carnitine)?




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robbyx

01.04.2008, 13:42

@ Goingallout

L Carnitine with DMSO

It's a bit unnerving that this was posted on April Fool's Day.
Nonetheless, I'll give it a whirl. I'll let you know how the process
goes.

ONE QUESTION, though: when you say a 20% DMSO solution, is the rest just
water (apart from the Carnitine)?

The formatting went a bit wrong. The first part of my posting was my comment the second was the quoted article. I did not write the article however I assume tha DMSO is obtainable in various strengths. I have just found this site:

https://jacoblab.com/OrderDMSO25Gel.html

They sell a gel at 25%DMSO, probably there are others selling it at 20%.

They are selling DMSO according to Dr Jacobs formula. I suggest you give them a ring and enquire:

Are there any precautions that should be taken when applying DMSO topically. For example is it necessary for gloves to be worn that are sterile.

Is it sufficient to add water to bring down the concentration to 20%.




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rooster

01.04.2008, 13:48

@ robbyx

L Carnitine with DMSO

It's a bit unnerving that this was posted on April Fool's Day.
Nonetheless, I'll give it a whirl. I'll let you know how the process
goes.

ONE QUESTION, though: when you say a 20% DMSO solution, is the rest
just
water (apart from the Carnitine)?

The formatting went a bit wrong. The first part of my posting was my
comment the second was the quoted article. I did not write the article
however I assume tha DMSO is obtainable in various strengths. I have just
found this site:

https://jacoblab.com/OrderDMSO25Gel.html

They sell a gel at 25%DMSO, probably there are others selling it at 20%.

They are selling DMSO according to Dr Jacobs formula. I suggest you give
them a ring and enquire:

Are there any precautions that should be taken when applying DMSO
topically. For example is it necessary for gloves to be worn that are
sterile.

Is it sufficient to add water to bring down the concentration to 20%.

DSMO is an industrial solvent. It will pull most ingredients it is mixed with in to the blood stream very fast. You will taste it almost immediately. There are people with severe athritis that take it orally in fairly large quantities.




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ApeSmith

01.04.2008, 15:26

@ Goingallout

L Carnitine with DMSO



It's a bit unnerving that this was posted on April Fool's Day.
Nonetheless, I'll give it a whirl. I'll let you know how the process
goes.

ONE QUESTION, though: when you say a 20% DMSO solution, is the rest just
water (apart from the Carnitine)?

Has nothing to do with april fools day, same info can be found in other sites.

http://www.immunesupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/ID/8494/t/CFIDS_FM




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Goingallout

01.04.2008, 17:15

@ ApeSmith

L Carnitine with DMSO



It's a bit unnerving that this was posted on April Fool's Day.
Nonetheless, I'll give it a whirl. I'll let you know how the process
goes.

ONE QUESTION, though: when you say a 20% DMSO solution, is the rest
just
water (apart from the Carnitine)?

Has nothing to do with april fools day, same info can be found in other
sites.

http://www.immunesupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/ID/8494/t/CFIDS_FM

Thanks, Apesmith. Yeah, I had checked out the study references and was actually joking about being unnerved by the April Fool's Reference.

On another note, if you ever taken DMSO: I've heard it stinks. Is that true?

Thanks




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Post reply
Goingallout

01.04.2008, 17:37

@ robbyx

L Carnitine with DMSO

I wonder if anyone has tried this particular suggestion. It comes from
Robert Jay Rowen, MD news letter of 26 Mar 08. The DMSO idea is
particularly apposite. I had some correspondence about 4 years ago with Dr
Jacobs who was the world leader on the use of DMSO. It has to be handled
carefully because it will take anything through the skin. I have noticed
that some of you have tried L Carnitine as part of a general protocol, but
has this particular proposal been tried by any one here?

Could this be the cure for hair loss?

Big Pharma accidentally discovered that a patented drug used for blood
pressure, minoxidil, helped regrow hair. Boy, did they make billions! But
you don't need the drug. I am excited to tell you about a possible
treatment for hair loss. If I could keep it a secret and market it, I
probably would make a bazillion dollars in no time, just like Big Pharma.
But I'd rather tell you about it and get your feedback. This is a dandy.

Researchers recently cultured human hair follicle cells. These are the
skin cells responsible for making your hair. They incubated the cells with
very low levels of L-carnitine tartrate for nine days. At the end of that
time, the follicles treated with l-carnitine showed significant growth of
hair.

But that's not all. The treatment also slowed apoptosis, or preprogrammed
cell death. It improved division of cells essential to making hair. It
improved local cell growth proteins in the outer root sheath.

The authors concluded their fascinating study urging more research of this
safe nutraceutical approach to male pattern baldness and other forms of
hair loss. I agree. But there's no reason to wait. It's harmless. And this
isn't the only research I've seen on carnitine and hair loss. Other studies
found that topical carnitine provides more ATP to the hair follicle cells.
That makes sense since carnitine is intimately related to mitochondrial
energy production from fatty acids.

Carnitine is readily available in your local health food store. Once you
buy it, here's all you have to do: Take a capsule, dissolve it in a small
amount of carrier solution, and apply it to your scalp. Since DMSO is an
outstanding solvent and means to carry substances into the skin, a weak
20% solution of DMSO could be the ticket. DMSO 20% is unlikely to irritate
your skin. And there is no drug risk from the carnitine. You can find DMSO
on the Internet.

[i]If you try this solution, please let me know how it works. I'd love to
beat Big Pharma at their own game.

Yours for better health and medical freedom,

Robert Jay Rowen, MD
To contact us:
Second Opinion
P.O. Box 467939
Atlanta, GA 31146
800-791-3213
770-399-5617

feedback@secondopinionnewsletter.com

Ref: "L-Carnitine-L-tartrate promotes human hair growth in vitro," Foitzik
K, Paus R, et al, Exp Dermatol, 2007; 16(11): 936-45. i]
[/i]


Does anyone know if DMSO smells like rotten garlic as some complain?




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Post reply
Goingallout

01.04.2008, 17:37

@ robbyx

Does DMSO smell like rotten garlic?

I wonder if anyone has tried this particular suggestion. It comes from
Robert Jay Rowen, MD news letter of 26 Mar 08. The DMSO idea is
particularly apposite. I had some correspondence about 4 years ago with Dr
Jacobs who was the world leader on the use of DMSO. It has to be handled
carefully because it will take anything through the skin. I have noticed
that some of you have tried L Carnitine as part of a general protocol, but
has this particular proposal been tried by any one here?

Could this be the cure for hair loss?

Big Pharma accidentally discovered that a patented drug used for blood
pressure, minoxidil, helped regrow hair. Boy, did they make billions! But
you don't need the drug. I am excited to tell you about a possible
treatment for hair loss. If I could keep it a secret and market it, I
probably would make a bazillion dollars in no time, just like Big Pharma.
But I'd rather tell you about it and get your feedback. This is a dandy.

Researchers recently cultured human hair follicle cells. These are the
skin cells responsible for making your hair. They incubated the cells with
very low levels of L-carnitine tartrate for nine days. At the end of that
time, the follicles treated with l-carnitine showed significant growth of
hair.

But that's not all. The treatment also slowed apoptosis, or preprogrammed
cell death. It improved division of cells essential to making hair. It
improved local cell growth proteins in the outer root sheath.

The authors concluded their fascinating study urging more research of this
safe nutraceutical approach to male pattern baldness and other forms of
hair loss. I agree. But there's no reason to wait. It's harmless. And this
isn't the only research I've seen on carnitine and hair loss. Other studies
found that topical carnitine provides more ATP to the hair follicle cells.
That makes sense since carnitine is intimately related to mitochondrial
energy production from fatty acids.

Carnitine is readily available in your local health food store. Once you
buy it, here's all you have to do: Take a capsule, dissolve it in a small
amount of carrier solution, and apply it to your scalp. Since DMSO is an
outstanding solvent and means to carry substances into the skin, a weak
20% solution of DMSO could be the ticket. DMSO 20% is unlikely to irritate
your skin. And there is no drug risk from the carnitine. You can find DMSO
on the Internet.

[i]If you try this solution, please let me know how it works. I'd love to
beat Big Pharma at their own game.

Yours for better health and medical freedom,

Robert Jay Rowen, MD
To contact us:
Second Opinion
P.O. Box 467939
Atlanta, GA 31146
800-791-3213
770-399-5617

feedback@secondopinionnewsletter.com

Ref: "L-Carnitine-L-tartrate promotes human hair growth in vitro," Foitzik
K, Paus R, et al, Exp Dermatol, 2007; 16(11): 936-45. i]
[/i]




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ApeSmith

01.04.2008, 20:47

@ Goingallout

Does DMSO smell like rotten garlic?

sadly it appears to have that horrid garlic smell, i am wondering if maybe emu oil can be utilized as a transdermal vehicle. I will try that




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Goingallout

01.04.2008, 20:49

@ ApeSmith

Does DMSO smell like rotten garlic?

sadly it appears to have that horrid garlic smell, i am wondering if maybe
emu oil can be utilized as a transdermal vehicle. I will try that

What about mixing it with minoxidil?




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Post reply
Goingallout

02.04.2008, 00:43

@ robbyx

L Carnitine with DMSO

I wonder if anyone has tried this particular suggestion. It comes from
Robert Jay Rowen, MD news letter of 26 Mar 08. The DMSO idea is
particularly apposite. I had some correspondence about 4 years ago with Dr
Jacobs who was the world leader on the use of DMSO. It has to be handled
carefully because it will take anything through the skin. I have noticed
that some of you have tried L Carnitine as part of a general protocol, but
has this particular proposal been tried by any one here?

Could this be the cure for hair loss?

Big Pharma accidentally discovered that a patented drug used for blood
pressure, minoxidil, helped regrow hair. Boy, did they make billions! But
you don't need the drug. I am excited to tell you about a possible
treatment for hair loss. If I could keep it a secret and market it, I
probably would make a bazillion dollars in no time, just like Big Pharma.
But I'd rather tell you about it and get your feedback. This is a dandy.

Researchers recently cultured human hair follicle cells. These are the
skin cells responsible for making your hair. They incubated the cells with
very low levels of L-carnitine tartrate for nine days. At the end of that
time, the follicles treated with l-carnitine showed significant growth of
hair.

But that's not all. The treatment also slowed apoptosis, or preprogrammed
cell death. It improved division of cells essential to making hair. It
improved local cell growth proteins in the outer root sheath.

The authors concluded their fascinating study urging more research of this
safe nutraceutical approach to male pattern baldness and other forms of
hair loss. I agree. But there's no reason to wait. It's harmless. And this
isn't the only research I've seen on carnitine and hair loss. Other studies
found that topical carnitine provides more ATP to the hair follicle cells.
That makes sense since carnitine is intimately related to mitochondrial
energy production from fatty acids.

Carnitine is readily available in your local health food store. Once you
buy it, here's all you have to do: Take a capsule, dissolve it in a small
amount of carrier solution, and apply it to your scalp. Since DMSO is an
outstanding solvent and means to carry substances into the skin, a weak
20% solution of DMSO could be the ticket. DMSO 20% is unlikely to irritate
your skin. And there is no drug risk from the carnitine. You can find DMSO
on the Internet.

[i]If you try this solution, please let me know how it works. I'd love to
beat Big Pharma at their own game.

Yours for better health and medical freedom,

Robert Jay Rowen, MD
To contact us:
Second Opinion
P.O. Box 467939
Atlanta, GA 31146
800-791-3213
770-399-5617

feedback@secondopinionnewsletter.com

Ref: "L-Carnitine-L-tartrate promotes human hair growth in vitro," Foitzik
K, Paus R, et al, Exp Dermatol, 2007; 16(11): 936-45. i]
[/i]

I am well aware that DMSO penetrates skin very readily and also apparently very much dissolves things (often). However, I am hesitant to use it because of its reputed smell (garlic, rotten garlic, oysters are what I've heard its smell likened to). So I bought some L-Carnitine Tartrate (?) from GNC, mixed it in with 5% minoxidil and applied it tonight. The L-Carnitine seemed to dissolve reasonably well. I am going to try this for awhile and maybe alternate it periodically with DMSO usage. Unless someone has good reasons why they think this won't work....




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brm

his room,
02.04.2008, 11:43

@ Goingallout

L Carnitine with DMSO

mmh... Robbyx has posted only twice... First time to tell us he'd found an interesting article... Second time to ad for a selling site...
Just wonder if he's not the owner of that one.




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Goingallout

02.04.2008, 12:05

@ brm

Very Good Call, BRM

mmh... Robbyx has posted only twice... First time to tell us he'd found an
interesting article... Second time to ad for a selling site...
Just wonder if he's not the owner of that one.

I actually had noticed that too, but I actually thought it might actually be the poster of the article, noting the similar names. It's actually equally if not more likely that it is actually just someone trying to "push" DMSO.

The thing is DMSO is available from several suppliers, so if the price isn't right, move elsewhere.




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robbyx

03.04.2008, 08:34

@ Goingallout

Very Good Call, BRM

No you have it wrong. I am not selling anything. I do not even have a web site. I have problems like the others here and have posted two interesting articles which I thought might be of interest. I had hoped to read constructive comments but the first article was ignored.

Robin

mmh... Robbyx has posted only twice... First time to tell us he'd found
an
interesting article... Second time to ad for a selling site...
Just wonder if he's not the owner of that one.

I actually had noticed that too, but I actually thought it might actually
be the poster of the article, noting the similar names. It's actually
equally if not more likely that it is actually just someone trying to
"push" DMSO.

The thing is DMSO is available from several suppliers, so if the price
isn't right, move elsewhere.




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robbyx

03.04.2008, 08:38

@ Goingallout

Does DMSO smell like rotten garlic?

My suggestion is that you do not mix protocols. DMSO is very effective at transmitting chemicals through the skin. As for the garlic smell the dosage is only 25% and the body does clear out the sulfur, which is what causes the smell in garlic and DMSO. A friend takes garlic at night so as to avoid the smell lingering during the day. I take it in the morning but add lemon and parsley.

Robin

sadly it appears to have that horrid garlic smell, i am wondering if
maybe
emu oil can be utilized as a transdermal vehicle. I will try that

What about mixing it with minoxidil?




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cliveg

16.04.2008, 14:19

@ robbyx

Very Good Call, BRM

I found liquid L-Carnitine easily available online. Google the name and you'll get lots of hits. 16 0z bottle also contains Pantothenic acid -10 mg and 500 mg L-carnitine. No need to dissolve with DMSO. Have been using for a week now and my wife said my hair is less gray. Anyone notice this?




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Goingallout

16.04.2008, 14:27

@ robbyx

Very Good Call, BRM

No you have it wrong. I am not selling anything. I do not even have a web
site. I have problems like the others here and have posted two interesting
articles which I thought might be of interest. I had hoped to read
constructive comments but the first article was ignored.

Robin

mmh... Robbyx has posted only twice... First time to tell us he'd
found
an
interesting article... Second time to ad for a selling site...
Just wonder if he's not the owner of that one.

I actually had noticed that too, but I actually thought it might
actually
be the poster of the article, noting the similar names. It's actually
equally if not more likely that it is actually just someone trying to
"push" DMSO.

The thing is DMSO is available from several suppliers, so if the price
isn't right, move elsewhere.

Thanks for replying. And by the way, I DID follow the advice suggested by the post, so I very much appreciated it.

It's just there are a lot of snake oil salesman that lurk around these fora. That's why some of us are suspicious.




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Goingallout

16.04.2008, 14:33

@ cliveg

Very Good Call, BRM

I found liquid L-Carnitine easily available online. Google the name and
you'll get lots of hits. 16 0z bottle also contains Pantothenic acid -10 mg
and 500 mg L-carnitine. No need to dissolve with DMSO. Have been using for
a week now and my wife said my hair is less gray. Anyone notice this?


Is your hair at all long? If so, one week wouldn't have changed it -- unless you have peach fuzz, the change would take a long time.

I looked for the L-Carnitine in question. The price is low. The only question I have is the contents are not listed as including L-Carnitine Tartrate which is the kind of Carnitine used in the study cited.

Thanks for the post, by the way. If I can confirm this liquid Carnitine is the right form, I'm going to order that.




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cliveg

18.04.2008, 13:03

@ Goingallout

Very Good Call, BRM

I could not find the exact L-Carnitine tartrate used in the study so am hoping the L-Carnitine would work. My hair is very short and I am applying 3 times a day. Will share after a few months use. GLA.




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18.04.2008, 14:04

@ ApeSmith

Does DMSO smell like rotten garlic?

I read somewhere that DMSO smells like rotten cabbage:-(




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coreydm

30.04.2008, 00:00

@ robbyx

L Carnitine with DMSO

I've been experimenting for several weeks now. Here's the summary of what I've discovered:

Don't use L-Carnitine liquid solution that has Sorbitol in it (it is super greasy/sticky). I bought L-Carnitine Tartrate capsules from BestVite.com. Try not to dissolve too many capsule contents into solution. Start small. I use distilled water for mixing my l-carnitine tartrate and DMSO solution, because that is what was used to originally dilute my DMSO solution to 70% that I bought.

DMSO 20% solution is probably overkill, I've been using closer to 10% and noticed the "aftertaste" is much less severe.(resembles morning breath with oysterish (not fishy) aftertaste) Not as bad as everybody makes it out to be.

I originally started twice daily DMSO/l-carnitine and then DMSO/l-carnitine tartrate solution and stopped minoxidil totally. I didn't notice any hair loss increase, but after several weeks, didn't notice any sign of new growth and couldn't tell for sure if the balding wasn't getting worse. I panicked and started a regime of morning Minoxidil and evening DMSO/L-carnitine tartrate solution. I've also decided to add a smidge of DMSO 5% concentration to my minoxidil solution just for kicks.

I'm thinking about mixing a capsules worth of L-carnitine tartrate to my minoxidil solution, but was waiting to see how current regime works. I'll keep you posted. How long do you think results would be expected, if at all.

I am familiar with Rowan's work and don't believe he'd publish something in his newsletter just for kicks and he doesn't sell stuff(except his newsletter and his MD services.)

I'm new here, are there any other successful treatments being used/passed around?




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Goingallout

06.05.2008, 21:38

@ coreydm

L Carnitine with DMSO

I've been experimenting for several weeks now. Here's the summary of what
I've discovered:

Don't use L-Carnitine liquid solution that has Sorbitol in it (it is super
greasy/sticky). I bought L-Carnitine Tartrate capsules from BestVite.com.
Try not to dissolve too many capsule contents into solution. Start small. I
use distilled water for mixing my l-carnitine tartrate and DMSO solution,
because that is what was used to originally dilute my DMSO solution to 70%
that I bought.

DMSO 20% solution is probably overkill, I've been using closer to 10% and
noticed the "aftertaste" is much less severe.(resembles morning breath with
oysterish (not fishy) aftertaste) Not as bad as everybody makes it out to
be.

I originally started twice daily DMSO/l-carnitine and then
DMSO/l-carnitine tartrate solution and stopped minoxidil totally. I didn't
notice any hair loss increase, but after several weeks, didn't notice any
sign of new growth and couldn't tell for sure if the balding wasn't getting
worse. I panicked and started a regime of morning Minoxidil and evening
DMSO/L-carnitine tartrate solution. I've also decided to add a smidge of
DMSO 5% concentration to my minoxidil solution just for kicks.

I'm thinking about mixing a capsules worth of L-carnitine tartrate to my
minoxidil solution, but was waiting to see how current regime works. I'll
keep you posted. How long do you think results would be expected, if at
all.

I am familiar with Rowan's work and don't believe he'd publish something
in his newsletter just for kicks and he doesn't sell stuff(except his
newsletter and his MD services.)

I'm new here, are there any other successful treatments being used/passed
around?


My regime involves:

Topical Dutasteride
Minoxidil 5% wtih Carnitine Tartrate mixed in
Beta sitosterol
Saw Palmetto
Nizoral Cream
Maxi Hair
MSM
Multivitamins
Fish Oil
LEF Super Miraforte
Lysine
Zinc

This is why my username is "Goingallout."

I've seen significant growth coming in on the temples after having been on this regime since early March, 2008. I would guess that there is growth coming in all over my scalp, but I have a decent covering still so I can't see it (though thinning which is why I am on this regime).

The other thing is I have a fair degree of sprouting of really thin hairs that are hard to see unless they are reflected in the light. Some of them are getting long, but others are quite short. The result is that there are practically no truly visible improvements in growth, but if the hairs that are growing in begin to thicken up this will change significantly --i.e. there will be a clearly visible thickening.

If you look at the posting by HairSite Admin under the heading Nizoral Shampoo in this forum/index, it says that the best results are with the likes of Finasteride and Minoxidil in combination and that Minoxidil alone is not as effective. A lot of people will tell you not to touch Dutasteride, and it's true that on Dutasteride oral I had some unwanted side effects. I have switched to administering it topically and I think I am getting a stronger effect in terms of DHT suppression at the scalp than I would with anything else. My hair has been growing the quickest with this.

Overall, my conclusion:

- Take minoxidil in combination with other things.
- I recommend Dutasteride topical (mixed with Aloe Vera), but others will strongly disagree with me. And finasteride would be worth trying.
- Be patient.

Regarding the last point: I am not really expecting that this regime will have paid off the way it is supposed to (assuming it will pay off) until after about 6-12 months. I am getting growth and I think I may be getting less fall-out, though I didn't have a lot of fall-out before. The outstanding question will be are the improvements I am getting in growth and/or reduced loss worth the hassle and expense? Even assuming I am really pleased with the results after a year, another question: how long will these results be able to be maintained before they start to degrade.




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RNORAM

17.05.2008, 13:47

@ Goingallout

To Goingallout

I've been experimenting for several weeks now. Here's the summary of
what
I've discovered:

Don't use L-Carnitine liquid solution that has Sorbitol in it (it is
super
greasy/sticky). I bought L-Carnitine Tartrate capsules from
BestVite.com.
Try not to dissolve too many capsule contents into solution. Start
small. I
use distilled water for mixing my l-carnitine tartrate and DMSO
solution,
because that is what was used to originally dilute my DMSO solution to
70%
that I bought.

DMSO 20% solution is probably overkill, I've been using closer to 10%
and
noticed the "aftertaste" is much less severe.(resembles morning breath
with
oysterish (not fishy) aftertaste) Not as bad as everybody makes it out
to
be.

I originally started twice daily DMSO/l-carnitine and then
DMSO/l-carnitine tartrate solution and stopped minoxidil totally. I
didn't
notice any hair loss increase, but after several weeks, didn't notice
any
sign of new growth and couldn't tell for sure if the balding wasn't
getting
worse. I panicked and started a regime of morning Minoxidil and evening
DMSO/L-carnitine tartrate solution. I've also decided to add a smidge
of
DMSO 5% concentration to my minoxidil solution just for kicks.

I'm thinking about mixing a capsules worth of L-carnitine tartrate to
my
minoxidil solution, but was waiting to see how current regime works.
I'll
keep you posted. How long do you think results would be expected, if at
all.

I am familiar with Rowan's work and don't believe he'd publish
something
in his newsletter just for kicks and he doesn't sell stuff(except his
newsletter and his MD services.)

I'm new here, are there any other successful treatments being
used/passed
around?


My regime involves:

Topical Dutasteride
Minoxidil 5% wtih Carnitine Tartrate mixed in
Beta sitosterol
Saw Palmetto
Nizoral Cream
Maxi Hair
MSM
Multivitamins
Fish Oil
LEF Super Miraforte
Lysine
Zinc

This is why my username is "Goingallout."

I've seen significant growth coming in on the temples after having been on
this regime since early March, 2008. I would guess that there is growth
coming in all over my scalp, but I have a decent covering still so I can't
see it (though thinning which is why I am on this regime).

The other thing is I have a fair degree of sprouting of really thin hairs
that are hard to see unless they are reflected in the light. Some of them
are getting long, but others are quite short. The result is that there are
practically no truly visible improvements in growth, but if the hairs that
are growing in begin to thicken up this will change significantly --i.e.
there will be a clearly visible thickening.

If you look at the posting by HairSite Admin under the heading Nizoral
Shampoo in this forum/index, it says that the best results are with the
likes of Finasteride and Minoxidil in combination and that Minoxidil alone
is not as effective. A lot of people will tell you not to touch
Dutasteride, and it's true that on Dutasteride oral I had some unwanted
side effects. I have switched to administering it topically and I think I
am getting a stronger effect in terms of DHT suppression at the scalp than
I would with anything else. My hair has been growing the quickest with
this.

Overall, my conclusion:

- Take minoxidil in combination with other things.
- I recommend Dutasteride topical (mixed with Aloe Vera), but others will
strongly disagree with me. And finasteride would be worth trying.
- Be patient.

Regarding the last point: I am not really expecting that this regime will
have paid off the way it is supposed to (assuming it will pay off) until
after about 6-12 months. I am getting growth and I think I may be getting
less fall-out, though I didn't have a lot of fall-out before. The
outstanding question will be are the improvements I am getting in growth
and/or reduced loss worth the hassle and expense? Even assuming I am really
pleased with the results after a year, another question: how long will
these results be able to be maintained before they start to degrade.


Are the side effects you had taking dut orally still present now that you are using it topically? I am seriously considering taking this topical route, as I think the side effects may be less than taking orally. Niz cream and Rogain foam help, but I need something more to try to get some regrowth.
You mentioned earlier a doctor in which you can get dut online, which one is it again?




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Post reply
Baccy

27.05.2008, 07:02

@ Goingallout

Does DMSO smell like rotten garlic?

sadly it appears to have that horrid garlic smell, i am wondering if
maybe
emu oil can be utilized as a transdermal vehicle. I will try that

What about mixing it with minoxidil?

DMSO itself does not smell. It is when your body metabolises it that the intense smell is present. And worse yet, you cannot detect the smell itself. It emanates from your body's pores and your breath. I tried DMSO a few years back and had to stop using it due to the embarassment. Luckily, close friends told me that I reeked to high heaven otherwise I would not have known.
For me, DMSO is a no-no in ANY concentration.



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shopperoo

12.05.2012, 17:42

@ Goingallout

L Carnitine with DMSO

Hi,
History- I am a female and I do not have hair loss.; I am just vain and have obsessed about how to get my hair below my waistline as the genetics do not dictate for my particular DNA bloodline. I have previously been successful with hair growth near my waist in years prior but alas a hairstylist ruined my hair and I had to cut it all off and start from a shoulder length. This is the 7th or 8th time I have regrown my hair and ruined it for some reason usually perm or color. Currently- I am on an acne medicine with 2,200 mg's of Pantothenic acid daily and 733.3mg's of L-Carnitine Tartrate daily. I also take 1000mg of msm daily but that is a lazy dose, I usually take 2-3k mg per day. I decided to add Dmso to a spray hair oil to bump up the hair growth and I have been spraying the Dmso on my nails. When you have long hair it is hard to tell the initial burst of growth until a few inches have come in BUT... one can gauge very well the growth of ones nails when you get them done in a salon. The amount of growth in 1 week is 1 mm so in 1 month is about 3-4mm. I sprayed Dmso on my nails and got 3-4 mm in 1 week!!!!!!!Needless to say I will use the dmso daily. Carnitine has boosted the DMSO SO THANKS.




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shopperoo

12.05.2012, 18:02

@ Goingallout

L Carnitine with DMSO

Hi,
Here is a previous post I made on the subject but first all you need is the msm, a HIGH dose of carnitine and DMSO of any strength applied directly to the scalp. See below

Hi,
History- I am a female and I do not have hair loss.; I am just vain and have obsessed about how to get my hair below my waistline as the genetics do not dictate for my particular DNA bloodline. I have previously been successful with hair growth near my waist in years prior but alas a hairstylist ruined my hair and I had to cut it all off and start from a shoulder length. This is the 7th or 8th time I have regrown my hair and ruined it for some reason usually perm or color. Currently- I am on an acne medicine with 2,200 mg's of Pantothenic acid daily and 733.3mg's of L-Carnitine Tartrate daily. I also take 1000mg of msm daily but that is a lazy dose, I usually take 2-3k mg per day. I decided to add Dmso to a spray hair oil to bump up the hair growth and I have been spraying the Dmso on my nails. When you have long hair it is hard to tell the initial burst of growth until a few inches have come in BUT... one can gauge very well the growth of ones nails when you get them done in a salon. The amount of growth in 1 week is 1 mm so in 1 month is about 3-4mm. I sprayed Dmso on my nails and got 3-4 mm in 1 week!!!!!!!Needless to say I will use the dmso daily. Carnitine has boosted the DMSO SO THANKS.




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