Dr Umar
 
Redondo Beach, California,
04.05.2008, 03:45
(edited by Dr Umar, 04.05.2008, 04:11) |
9 Month Update, 15,000+ Graft to NW6, BHT/FUE, -KF (Hair Transplant) |
Patient KF came for a follow up with a shorter haircut at the 9 month mark.
His case had been discussed on previous threads at 5 months since his surgery:
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-20610.html
Relevant excerpts from previous introduction:
Graft Breakdown:
Beard: 6250
Head donor: 3617
Legs/thighs: 2528
Chest: 1647
Abdominal Areas: 900
Arms: 531
Goal:
1. Coverage of the entire NW6 area (crown included) to a NW 0-1 hairline.
2. The ability to maintain a shorter hair cut without worrying about visible scars (seen in strip HT).
3. Donor preservation: The ability to harvest donor areas in the future should the need arises, in event of progression to NW 7 and beyond. Over harvesting of head donors is to be avoided.
4. The absence of cosmetically significant body scarring.
Here are photo updates taken recently at the 9th month mark:
The Hairline
![[image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/shumar/finetouch/dermhair/2008/IMG_2808.jpg)
![[image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/shumar/finetouch/dermhair/2008/April222008014.jpg)
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![[image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/shumar/finetouch/dermhair/2008/April222008005.jpg)
......
![[image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/shumar/finetouch/dermhair/2008/April222008015.jpg)
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Top
![[image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/shumar/finetouch/dermhair/2008/IMG_2810.jpg)
![[image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/shumar/finetouch/dermhair/2008/April222008016.jpg)
...
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...
Crown
![[image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/shumar/finetouch/dermhair/2008/IMG_2826.jpg)
![[image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/shumar/finetouch/dermhair/2008/April222008022.jpg)
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......
9-MONTH COLLECTION
![[image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/shumar/finetouch/dermhair/2008/April222008044.jpg)
![[image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/shumar/finetouch/dermhair/2008/April222008017.jpg)
There has been a further improvement in density at the 9th month that allows the patient to cut the hair in the transplanted area shorter than he could at the 5 month mark.
S. Umar, M.D., FAAD
DermHair Clinic
Redondo Beach, California
+1-310-318-1500
1-877-DERMHAIR (US residents)
info@dermhairclinic.com
WEBSITE www.dermhairclinic.com
Single Follicle Extraction & Transfer (SFET)
Using Head and Body hair
For more SFET-FUE and BHT results go to www.dermhairclinic.com
Dr Umar is located in REDONDO BEACH, CALIFORNIA and he is available to meet: NO |
Dr Umar
Redondo Beach, California,
04.06.2008, 14:51
@ Dr Umar
|
THE VIDEO |
A discussion on this patient has continued on the following thread were his VIDEO was shown:
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-30342.html
The VIDEO shows more closely what the patient is experiencing in real life much more so than the pictures. The videos illustrate why the patient is thrilled with the transformation he has enjoyed from the procedure.
S. Umar, M.D., FAAD
DermHair Clinic
Redondo Beach, California
+1-310-318-1500
1-877-DERMHAIR (US residents)
info@dermhairclinic.com
WEBSITE www.dermhairclinic.com
Single Follicle Extraction & Transfer (SFET)
Using Head and Body hair
For more SFET-FUE and BHT results go to www.dermhairclinic.com
Dr Umar is located in REDONDO BEACH, CALIFORNIA and he is available to meet: NO |
trans
11.05.2008, 09:57
@ Dr Umar
|
9 Month Update, 15,000+ Graft to NW6, BHT/FUE, -KF |
The placement and growth in this case is good. The approach I would have taken is to restore at a NW2 hairline, but that's the patients choice. When some say it looks odd or like a toupee, it's the NW0-1 hairline in contrast to the very diffuse surroundings.
Dr. Umar, did you advise for or against the NW0-1 restoration, or do you let the patient decide without opinion? I think this guy would have looked a lot more natural with a little temple recession, and a little "just for men".
trans is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
therapy
08.05.2008, 11:57
@ HairSite
|
9 Month Update, 15,000+ Graft to NW6, BHT/FUE, -KF |
» » I know that I am a bit of a pessimist, but this result is very unnatural.
»
» » I know that we all try and be supportive, but for $60k or whatever, and
» all
» » the pain and suffering, the result will attract far more attention to
» his
» » head than the "before" picture. I totally respect Umar's work, but
» this
» » result eliminates any desire that I have to try beard hair...
»
» It's only 9 months. Sometimes the body hair will blend in better after
» going through a few cycles.
Have you personally followed a bht patient for several years and witnessed that such is the case after a few cycles?
therapy is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
scarred5
08.05.2008, 04:09
@ HairSite
|
9 Month Update, 15,000+ Graft to NW6, BHT/FUE, -KF |
» » I know that I am a bit of a pessimist, but this result is very unnatural.
»
» » I know that we all try and be supportive, but for $60k or whatever, and
» all
» » the pain and suffering, the result will attract far more attention to
» his
» » head than the "before" picture. I totally respect Umar's work, but
» this
» » result eliminates any desire that I have to try beard hair...
»
» It's only 9 months. Sometimes the body hair will blend in better after
» going through a few cycles
this is a repair not a virgin head so traditional parameters do not apply here, there is a huge improvement, he went from feak to pretty chic, also fue is painless, with quick recovery, walk in the park compared to strip,
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HairSite
07.05.2008, 23:03
@ Mr. Frodo
|
your numbers are way off |
» » i am talking number of hairs not hair thickness
» »
» » 6000 body hair grafts = 6000 hairs
» » 6000 head hair grafts = 12-15000 hairs
» »
»
» why is it that hair thickenss don't count? thicker hairs give better
» coverage and density, u cant just ignore hair thickness in the equation,
» this is arvind s pic which clearly shows that beard hairs are easily twice
» as thick, it s as if putting two head hairs together, this guy had 15000
» beard hairs and if all 15000 beard hairs grew then his head should look
» like 30,000 head hairs assuming 1 beard hair is twice the thickness of
» regular head hair, does he look like he had 30,000 head
» hairs??????????????? hell no!
Get your facts straight. Nobody ever said it was 15,000 beard hairs.
HairSite is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
HanginInThere
07.05.2008, 21:51
(edited by HanginInThere, 07.05.2008, 21:57)
@ Mr. Frodo
|
your numbers are way off |
» » i am talking number of hairs not hair thickness
» »
» » 6000 body hair grafts = 6000 hairs
» » 6000 head hair grafts = 12-15000 hairs
» »
»
» why is it that hair thickenss don't count? thicker hairs give better
» coverage and density, u cant just ignore hair thickness in the equation,
» this is arvind s pic which clearly shows that beard hairs are easily twice
» as thick, it s as if putting two head hairs together, this guy had 15000
» grafts and if all 15000 grew then his head should look like 30,000 grafts,
» does he look like he had 30,000 grafts??????????????? hell no!
»
» ![[image]](http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee52/hairadvise101/DSC08379.gif)
u think he had 15000 head hair grafts? nope.........if thats not what you are assuming where did you get the figure of 30,000 , which should be hairs anyway, not grafts..........
body hair mostly those are individual hairs, in fact they are all 1s, except I think beard hair has some multiples in there
nobody can extract 15000 head hair grafts, that is next to impossible
8000 is pushing it
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Maxi Hair by Country Life 2/day
Kal Amino Max ..Chelated Multi Mineral..2/day
DHT blockers (daily intake)
Saw Palmetto, 320mg Standardized
Pygeum 500mg
Nettles 500mg
Beta Sitosterol 125mg
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Mr. Frodo
07.05.2008, 21:48
@ HanginInThere
|
your numbers are way off |
» i am talking number of hairs not hair thickness
»
» 6000 body hair grafts = 6000 hairs
» 6000 head hair grafts = 12-15000 hairs
»
why is it that hair thickenss don't count? thicker hairs give better coverage and density, u cant just ignore hair thickness in the equation, this is arvind s pic which clearly shows that beard hairs are easily twice as thick, it s as if putting two head hairs together, this guy had 15000 beard hairs and if all 15000 beard hairs grew then his head should look like 30,000 head hairs assuming 1 beard hair is twice the thickness of regular head hair, does he look like he had 30,000 head hairs??????????????? hell no!
Mr. Frodo is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
craig
07.05.2008, 15:52
@ Dr Umar
|
Craig, Markus... |
» In this instance, Hanginginthere has got the math right. The patient has
» excellent yield all factors considered.
»
» The obvious indication for body hair is in repair patients that have run
» out of head donor hair for their repair work. These patients have an
» absolute lack of donor. A perfect example is this patient:
»
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-27518.html
»
» Another indication is in extensively bald individuals. These patients
» could be said to have a relative lack of donor supply, because the
» number of available head grafts would not meet the demand of the entire NW
» area. In these patients, the hybrid approach could be benefitial as is the
» case in patient KF.
»
» The benefit of the hybrid approach in extensively bald indivuals (such as
» KF)is the ability to reasonably restore the entire NW6 and 7 areas
» (including the crown) before running out of donor hair, and without
» compromising the head donor cosmetically (scarring, coverage etc). This
» would have been impossible in the average patient using head hair alone.
» With head hair and to some extent beard hair as a foundation, body hair
» serves as a filler to reinforce density. Body Hair Transplant (BHT) could
» take 1-2 years to fully manifest. Even in its full glory however, it
» compares to the average head derived graft in 2-3: 1 ratio (advantage
» head). For beard hair, the ratio is closer to 2-2.5:1 ratio (advantage
» head). These are average figures...Individual variations can and do occur.
»
» Because of the hybrid approach adopted in this patient (KF), Even with
» this much coverage at 9 months, he still has a head donor that is still
» barely touched with potentially 4000 extractable grafts, with another
» 3000-4000 from the beard, and thousands more from the body. Not a far cry
» from what we had hoped to achieve going into the surgery.
»
»
» S. Umar, M.D., FAAD
» DermHair Clinic
» Redondo Beach, California
» +1-310-318-1500
» 1-877-DERMHAIR (US residents)
» info@dermhairclinic.com
» WEBSITE www.dermhairclinic.com
» Single Follicle Extraction & Transfer (SFET)
» Using Head and Body hair
»
» For more SFET-FUE and BHT results go to www.dermhairclinic.com
Dr. Umar, I can't say I fully understand but I guess I will take your word for it. Peace out 
craig is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
Hooray for Hair
Sydney, Australia,
07.05.2008, 10:00
@ Mr. Frodo
|
your numbers are way off |
» either u r insane or u have been brain washed, beard hair is at least
» twice as thick as head hair, how do u account for that?
Frodo,
I'm afraid you're the one who's confused. One single beard hair is obviously thicker than one single head hair, however one head GRAFT, according to Dr Umar and other accounts, is usually a double or a triple scalp hair, and beard grafts are mostly singles. That is why 1 head graft is equivalent to 2-2.5 beard hairs. Comprehende?
Hooray for Hair is located in SYDNEY, AUSTRALIA and he is available to meet: NO ---
3000 FUE
Dr Umar
Feel free to visit my website to share my Hair Transplant experience: www.hoorayforhair.com |
canadadry
07.05.2008, 09:30
@ Steve78
|
Beard hair supply |
» » Graft Breakdown:
» » Beard: 6250
» » Head donor: 3617
» » Legs/thighs: 2528
» » Chest: 1647
» » Abdominal Areas: 900
» » Arms: 531
»
» Dr. Umar, can we really get that many beard hairs from a person? 6250? A
» typo perhaps?
how does beard hair grafts grow, is it mostly one and two hair like chest or all one hair?
canadadry is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
HanginInThere
07.05.2008, 02:45
@ Mr. Frodo
|
your numbers are way off |
» » 15000 body hair grafts. which is about what this guy got i think, is
» » equivalent to only about 6000 head hair grafts, and this result looks
» about
» » right for that amount
»
»
» either u r insane or u have been brain washed, beard hair is at least
» twice as thick as head hair, how do u account for that?
i am talking number of hairs not hair thickness
6000 body hair grafts = 6000 hairs
6000 head hair grafts = 12-15000 hairs
if you throw beard hair in the mix of course , theoretically, the transplant from body hairs will appear thicker in many areas, not as weak as typical body hair
then again ask Dr Umar not me, he already confirmed my numbers below.......read the post
Quote from Dr Umar
In this instance, Hanginginthere has got the math right. The patient has excellent yield all factors considered.
HanginInThere is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO ---
Hangin Regimen...........
Maxi Hair by Country Life 2/day
Kal Amino Max ..Chelated Multi Mineral..2/day
DHT blockers (daily intake)
Saw Palmetto, 320mg Standardized
Pygeum 500mg
Nettles 500mg
Beta Sitosterol 125mg
2% Nizoral Cream Topically Nightly,,,after Shampoo |
Mr. Frodo
06.05.2008, 23:23
@ HanginInThere
|
your numbers are way off |
» 15000 body hair grafts. which is about what this guy got i think, is
» equivalent to only about 6000 head hair grafts, and this result looks about
» right for that amount
either u r insane or u have been brain washed, beard hair is at least twice as thick as head hair, how do u account for that?
Mr. Frodo is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
Dr Umar
Redondo Beach, California,
06.05.2008, 17:51
(edited by Dr Umar, 06.05.2008, 18:24)
@ craig
|
Craig, Markus... |
In this instance, Hanginginthere has got the math right. The patient has excellent yield all factors considered.
The obvious indication for body hair is in repair patients that have run out of head donor hair for their repair work. These patients have an absolute lack of donor. A perfect example is this patient:
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-27518.html
Another indication is in extensively bald individuals. These patients could be said to have a relative lack of donor supply, because the number of available head grafts would not meet the demand of the entire NW area. In these patients, the hybrid approach could be benefitial as is the case in patient KF.
The benefit of the hybrid approach in extensively bald indivuals (such as KF)is the ability to reasonably restore the entire NW6 and 7 areas (including the crown) before running out of donor hair, and without compromising the head donor cosmetically (scarring, coverage etc). This would have been impossible in the average patient using head hair alone. With head hair and to some extent beard hair as a foundation, body hair serves as a filler to reinforce density. Body Hair Transplant (BHT) could take 1-2 years to fully manifest. Even in its full glory however, it compares to the average head derived graft in 2-3: 1 ratio (advantage head). For beard hair, the ratio is closer to 2-2.5:1 ratio (advantage head). These are average figures...Individual variations can and do occur.
Because of the hybrid approach adopted in this patient (KF), Even with this much coverage at 9 months, he still has a head donor that is still barely touched with potentially 4000 extractable grafts, with another 3000-4000 from the beard, and thousands more from the body. Not a far cry from what we had hoped to achieve going into the surgery.
S. Umar, M.D., FAAD
DermHair Clinic
Redondo Beach, California
+1-310-318-1500
1-877-DERMHAIR (US residents)
info@dermhairclinic.com
WEBSITE www.dermhairclinic.com
Single Follicle Extraction & Transfer (SFET)
Using Head and Body hair
For more SFET-FUE and BHT results go to www.dermhairclinic.com
Dr Umar is located in REDONDO BEACH, CALIFORNIA and he is available to meet: NO |
HanginInThere
06.05.2008, 16:07
@ craig
|
your numbers are way off |
» » » » The hair looks fine to me, I think the more important question is
» how
» » to
» » » » get body hair to grow consistently so that this becomes a more
» » » » efficient/effective treatment. It goes without saying that not all
» » » 15000
» » » » grew, I wish doctors would work together to unlock the mystery as
» to
» » » why
» » » » some grew and others didn't.
» » »
» » » I am with you on this one. I have no problem with the hair. Put in
» some
» » » hair products or hair dye and I am sure he will look just fine. It's
» » the
» » » 15000 grafts that I have a hard time swallowing. You hit it on the
» » nail,
» » » the main problem is to improve body hair yield, to at least 60% IMO.
» It
» » is
» » » troublesome that 15000 grafts yielded more like 5000.
» »
» » how do you know it yielded only 5000, when 5000 body hair grafts would
» be
» » the equivalent of 2000 or so head hair grafts since body hair grafts
» are
» » all one hair grafts
» »
» » are you telling me this guy could get this result with 2000 head hair
» » grafts ? I dont think so...........your numbers are way way off
» »
» » for example if you got 10,000 body hair grafts that is only equivalent
» to
» » about 4000 head hair grafts.................which actually upon looking
» at
» » this guy his head looks like he would have recieved about 6000 head
» hair
» » grafts or more...................which at 2 to 3 hairs per graft , would
» be
» » the equivalent of about 15000 body hair grafts
» »
» » do not compare apples to oranges
»
» I think you are making it too complicated. This guy had 15000 grafts and
» it looked like only about 5000 grew, agree? I am not trying to discredit
» Dr. Umar's work, everybody respects his work but I think all the doctors
» need to put their heads together to find out how to increase the yield for
» body hair.
no i do not agree
you are using body hair and head hair interchangably
this result looks like about 6000 head hair grafts, each of which is usually 2 to 3 hairs
body hair grafts contain only one hair so you need about 2.5 times as many body hair grafts , assuming they all grow.........to get the same density as 1 head hair graft
this result looks like about 6000 head hair grafts.................
however no way in hell could the best surgeon in the world, achieve a similar result with 6000 body hair grafts, even if they all grew
15000 body hair grafts. which is about what this guy got i think, is equivalent to only about 6000 head hair grafts, and this result looks about right for that amount
you are lumping body hair grafts and head hair grafts into one pile
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Hangin Regimen...........
Maxi Hair by Country Life 2/day
Kal Amino Max ..Chelated Multi Mineral..2/day
DHT blockers (daily intake)
Saw Palmetto, 320mg Standardized
Pygeum 500mg
Nettles 500mg
Beta Sitosterol 125mg
2% Nizoral Cream Topically Nightly,,,after Shampoo |
craig
06.05.2008, 15:57
@ HanginInThere
|
your numbers are way off |
» » » The hair looks fine to me, I think the more important question is how
» to
» » » get body hair to grow consistently so that this becomes a more
» » » efficient/effective treatment. It goes without saying that not all
» » 15000
» » » grew, I wish doctors would work together to unlock the mystery as to
» » why
» » » some grew and others didn't.
» »
» » I am with you on this one. I have no problem with the hair. Put in some
» » hair products or hair dye and I am sure he will look just fine. It's
» the
» » 15000 grafts that I have a hard time swallowing. You hit it on the
» nail,
» » the main problem is to improve body hair yield, to at least 60% IMO. It
» is
» » troublesome that 15000 grafts yielded more like 5000.
»
» how do you know it yielded only 5000, when 5000 body hair grafts would be
» the equivalent of 2000 or so head hair grafts since body hair grafts are
» all one hair grafts
»
» are you telling me this guy could get this result with 2000 head hair
» grafts ? I dont think so...........your numbers are way way off
»
» for example if you got 10,000 body hair grafts that is only equivalent to
» about 4000 head hair grafts.................which actually upon looking at
» this guy his head looks like he would have recieved about 6000 head hair
» grafts or more...................which at 2 to 3 hairs per graft , would be
» the equivalent of about 15000 body hair grafts
»
» do not compare apples to oranges
I think you are making it too complicated. This guy had 15000 grafts and it looked like only about 5000 grew, agree? I am not trying to discredit Dr. Umar's work, everybody respects his work but I think all the doctors need to put their heads together to find out how to increase the yield for body hair.
craig is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
HanginInThere
06.05.2008, 15:22
(edited by HanginInThere, 06.05.2008, 15:29)
@ craig
|
your numbers are way off |
» » The hair looks fine to me, I think the more important question is how to
» » get body hair to grow consistently so that this becomes a more
» » efficient/effective treatment. It goes without saying that not all
» 15000
» » grew, I wish doctors would work together to unlock the mystery as to
» why
» » some grew and others didn't.
»
» I am with you on this one. I have no problem with the hair. Put in some
» hair products or hair dye and I am sure he will look just fine. It's the
» 15000 grafts that I have a hard time swallowing. You hit it on the nail,
» the main problem is to improve body hair yield, to at least 60% IMO. It is
» troublesome that 15000 grafts yielded more like 5000.
how do you know it yielded only 5000, when 5000 body hair grafts would be the equivalent of 2000 or so head hair grafts since body hair grafts are all one hair grafts
are you telling me this guy could get this result with 2000 head hair grafts ? I dont think so...........your numbers are way way off
for example if you got 10,000 body hair grafts that is only equivalent to about 4000 head hair grafts.................which actually upon looking at this guy his head looks like he would have recieved about 6000 head hair grafts or more...................which at 2 to 3 hairs per graft , would be the equivalent of about 15000 body hair grafts
do not compare apples to oranges
HanginInThere is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO ---
Hangin Regimen...........
Maxi Hair by Country Life 2/day
Kal Amino Max ..Chelated Multi Mineral..2/day
DHT blockers (daily intake)
Saw Palmetto, 320mg Standardized
Pygeum 500mg
Nettles 500mg
Beta Sitosterol 125mg
2% Nizoral Cream Topically Nightly,,,after Shampoo |
craig
06.05.2008, 15:03
@ markus
|
9 Month Update, 15,000+ Graft to NW6, BHT/FUE, -KF |
» The hair looks fine to me, I think the more important question is how to
» get body hair to grow consistently so that this becomes a more
» efficient/effective treatment. It goes without saying that not all 15000
» grew, I wish doctors would work together to unlock the mystery as to why
» some grew and others didn't.
I am with you on this one. I have no problem with the hair. Put in some hair products or hair dye and I am sure he will look just fine. It's the 15000 grafts that I have a hard time swallowing. You hit it on the nail, the main problem is to improve body hair yield, to at least 60% IMO. It is troublesome that 15000 grafts yielded more like 5000.
craig is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
Steve78
06.05.2008, 12:38
@ Dr Umar
|
Donor healing |
He was way more than the avg person, the beard even goes down to his neck, I can see why you can take out that many from him. His chin looks spotless btw, good job.
Steve78 is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
HanginInThere
06.05.2008, 06:05
@ Sofarsogood
|
9 Month Update, 15,000+ Graft to NW6, BHT/FUE, -KF |
» He looks a heck of a lot better to me.
» Much younger.
»
» Another great example of a hybrid HT from Dr. Umar.
»
» Great FUE/BHT yield, especially for 9 months out.
»
» It was stated that he has more body and head hair donor in the bank.
» Priceless.
»
» Dr. U. could have taken "studio" pix that would have been much more
» flattering with glamour lighting, etc.
» But as always, these are clinical pix taken under bright, flat,
» unflattering lighting at the clinic.
»
» I think what some folks are responding to is his hairstyle and these
» clinical pix.
»
» I'd like to see him with his hairline gelled back or maybe a buzz cut.
» Parting it to the side this way wouldn't be my choice.
»
» But the point is, he has styling options now!
» He was a NW 6 for Pete's sake.
»
» AND... he's only 9 months out of the procedure.
»
» A little styling and this guy would look even better, IMO.
» He's got the whorl thing going on too!
»
» Take another look at these pics...
»
» Looking great here IMO:
» ![[image]](http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h63/sofarsogoodx/April222008044.jpg)
»
» A soft, natural hairline...nice!:
» ![[image]](http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h63/sofarsogoodx/April222008007.jpg)
»
» The whorl is in effect:
» ![[image]](http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h63/sofarsogoodx/April222008022.jpg)
I had not seen that angle the first one you posted that one does not look too bad, in fact it looks ok to me
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Hangin Regimen...........
Maxi Hair by Country Life 2/day
Kal Amino Max ..Chelated Multi Mineral..2/day
DHT blockers (daily intake)
Saw Palmetto, 320mg Standardized
Pygeum 500mg
Nettles 500mg
Beta Sitosterol 125mg
2% Nizoral Cream Topically Nightly,,,after Shampoo |
HairSite
06.05.2008, 01:52
@ Xairyhay1
|
9 Month Update, 15,000+ Graft to NW6, BHT/FUE, -KF |
» I know that I am a bit of a pessimist, but this result is very unnatural.
» I know that we all try and be supportive, but for $60k or whatever, and all
» the pain and suffering, the result will attract far more attention to his
» head than the "before" picture. I totally respect Umar's work, but this
» result eliminates any desire that I have to try beard hair...
It's only 9 months. Sometimes the body hair will blend in better after going through a few cycles.
HairSite is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
Brock Landers
06.05.2008, 00:40
@ Sofarsogood
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Its clearly the gray hair that makes it look odd |
For all you that say it looks weird, you are right, and its the gray hair from the beard...in the before pics, he had no gray hair...Just imagine for a second that all the gray hair in the after was his hair color, then it would look very good. Tell this guy to slap on some Grecian 5 and he's good to go!
Brock Landers is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
Sofarsogood
Los Angeles area,
05.05.2008, 23:31
(edited by Sofarsogood, 05.05.2008, 23:55)
@ markus
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9 Month Update, 15,000+ Graft to NW6, BHT/FUE, -KF |
He looks a heck of a lot better to me.
Much younger.
Another great example of a hybrid HT from Dr. Umar.
Great FUE/BHT yield, especially for 9 months out.
It was stated that he has more body and head hair donor in the bank.
Priceless.
Dr. U. could have taken "studio" pix that would have been much more flattering with glamour lighting, etc.
But as always, these are clinical pix taken under bright, flat, unflattering lighting at the clinic.
I think what some folks are responding to is his hairstyle and these clinical pix.
I'd like to see him with his hairline gelled back or maybe a buzz cut.
Parting it to the side this way wouldn't be my choice.
But the point is, he has styling options now!
He was a NW 6 for Pete's sake.
AND... he's only 9 months out of the procedure.
A little styling and this guy would look even better, IMO.
He's got the whorl thing going on too!
Take another look at these pics...
Looking great here IMO:
A soft, natural hairline...nice!:
The whorl is in effect:
Sofarsogood has 7 Personal Journal(s). Click here to view
Sofarsogood is located in LOS ANGELES AREA and he is available to meet: NO ---
BHT was used to "soften" my former HT hairline that was made up of larger grafts.
At the ISHRS 2007convention, 12 docs from 10 countries, many techs and one famous forum moderator
acknowledged the BHT growth. Click the link for more about my case.
http://hairsite.com/serendipity/authors/27-sofarsogood
Video of my BHT result:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=n_8uYbMTa4I |
markus
05.05.2008, 23:20
@ HanginInThere
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9 Month Update, 15,000+ Graft to NW6, BHT/FUE, -KF |
The hair looks fine to me, I think the more important question is how to get body hair to grow consistently so that this becomes a more efficient/effective treatment. It goes without saying that not all 15000 grew, I wish doctors would work together to unlock the mystery as to why some grew and others didn't.
markus is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
HanginInThere
05.05.2008, 22:52
(edited by HanginInThere, 05.05.2008, 23:06)
@ Xairyhay1
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9 Month Update, 15,000+ Graft to NW6, BHT/FUE, -KF |
» I know that I am a bit of a pessimist, but this result is very unnatural.
» I know that we all try and be supportive, but for $60k or whatever, and all
» the pain and suffering, the result will attract far more attention to his
» head than the "before" picture. I totally respect Umar's work, but this
» result eliminates any desire that I have to try beard hair...
then again does it look better than the more bald previous look, in my opinion he looked more natural before
true he has more hair now
but before even though more bald, he looked completely natural
i cant say that now with his current hair
the beard hair , I think it is that................well some hair on the head is of completely different consistency and is about 3 times as thick the individual shafts, than the surrounding hair, perhaps if he trims those hairs they will blend in
HanginInThere is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO ---
Hangin Regimen...........
Maxi Hair by Country Life 2/day
Kal Amino Max ..Chelated Multi Mineral..2/day
DHT blockers (daily intake)
Saw Palmetto, 320mg Standardized
Pygeum 500mg
Nettles 500mg
Beta Sitosterol 125mg
2% Nizoral Cream Topically Nightly,,,after Shampoo |
Xairyhay1
05.05.2008, 22:35
@ Dr Umar
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9 Month Update, 15,000+ Graft to NW6, BHT/FUE, -KF |
I know that I am a bit of a pessimist, but this result is very unnatural. I know that we all try and be supportive, but for $60k or whatever, and all the pain and suffering, the result will attract far more attention to his head than the "before" picture. I totally respect Umar's work, but this result eliminates any desire that I have to try beard hair...
Xairyhay1 is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
Dr Umar
Redondo Beach, California,
05.05.2008, 13:04
(edited by Dr Umar, 05.05.2008, 13:09)
@ Steve78
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Donor healing |
» Dr. Umar in your opinion do you think this fellow has above average beard
» density?
It is hard to say without actually doing an actual study. But based on what I see commonly, he he would range between average to above average.
Here is the only before picture of the beard area in my possession. Although a bit blurry, it gives an idea of his beard density and range. This is at ~3 days without shaving.
Before extraction of 6200 grafts
![[image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/shumar/finetouch/dermhair/2008/IMG2814.jpg)
..
Soon after extraction of 6200 Grafts
![[image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/shumar/finetouch/dermhair/2008/IMG_2848.jpg)
..
9 Months after extraction of 6200 grafts
![[image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/shumar/finetouch/dermhair/2008/April222008033.jpg)
..
S. Umar, M.D., FAAD
DermHair Clinic
Redondo Beach, California
+1-310-318-1500
1-877-DERMHAIR (US residents)
info@dermhairclinic.com
WEBSITE www.dermhairclinic.com
Single Follicle Extraction & Transfer (SFET)
Using Head and Body hair
For more SFET-FUE and BHT results go to www.dermhairclinic.com
Dr Umar is located in REDONDO BEACH, CALIFORNIA and he is available to meet: NO |
Steve78
05.05.2008, 12:47
@ Dr Umar
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Donor healing |
Dr. Umar in your opinion do you think this fellow has above average beard density?
Steve78 is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
Dr Umar
Redondo Beach, California,
05.05.2008, 12:27
(edited by Dr Umar, 05.05.2008, 12:35)
@ Dr Umar
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Donor healing |
Here are some examples of donor area healing at 9 months (Pictures to the left were taken soon after surgery while the pictures to the right were taken at the 9 month mark:
![[image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/shumar/finetouch/dermhair/2008/IMG_2851.jpg) ![[image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/shumar/finetouch/dermhair/2008/April222008045.jpg)
..
..
S. Umar, M.D., FAAD
DermHair Clinic
Redondo Beach, California
+1-310-318-1500
1-877-DERMHAIR (US residents)
info@dermhairclinic.com
WEBSITE www.dermhairclinic.com
Single Follicle Extraction & Transfer (SFET)
Using Head and Body hair
For more SFET-FUE and BHT results go to www.dermhairclinic.com
Dr Umar is located in REDONDO BEACH, CALIFORNIA and he is available to meet: NO |
therapy
05.05.2008, 10:32
@ Dr Umar
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9 Month Update, 15,000+ Graft to NW6, BHT/FUE, -KF |
I don't think this one is as good as the 10,000 you posted earlier, perhaps if he grew his hair a bit longer it may look nicer, right now I can see thin spots all over.
therapy is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
HanginInThere
05.05.2008, 10:16
@ Heliboy
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Beard hair supply |
» As one who has had extensive BHT and know the reaslistic expectations that
» it offers(too many people compare body hair expectations to scalp hair
» expectations ) - this is for sure excellent work and he has to be
» ecstatic with this result. Beard hair has definitely had an impact on this
» case . The reason this is perceived as hard to believe is because
» groundwork has been broken on territory we have seen very few /to little in
» the past . Just as with other areas on the body when BHT began -
» individuals had a hard time beleiving the numbers . I tell people that I
» have had 17,000 body hair taken from all areas of my body and they still
» find it hard to comprehend. The same will hold true for beard hair until we
» see continous cases presented over time and it sinks in that it is real and
» viable.
»
» Just so that I would know for future reference and use in the future if
» needed- I had an assesment done of my beard hair on my last visit to Dr
» Umar in Sept 2007. The evaluation revealed that Dr Umar could extract at
» least 8000 grafts + from my beard area . Its always nice to know what your
» options are to achieve the best results . It is nice to know what beard
» hair counts are available in case I need them later down the road . The
» beard hair area is very new to BHT but now that pristine extractions can be
» made and its characteristics most similar to scalp hair versus other BHT
» sources- its a valuable and viable option.
»
» My life has changed more than I can ever explain after what Dr Umar has
» done for me using BHT and his continuous efforts to make it work and work
» better as seen in this case .I was at the dentist last Thursday. My hot
» little dental hygentist who I see twice a year finished up with me and as
» I was getting up from the chair she she said - "Your hair looks great- And
» where are your scars ?". She was referring to the enormous strip scars that
» have wrapped my head for years but Dr Umar has done such an excellent job
» with camoflauging them as much as possible with my body hair over several
» sessions . Of course they are not invisible because I keep my hair shaved
» on the sides but the scars are camoflauged very well with the body hair .
» Her comment made me feel even more thankful what I have been able to
» achieve to get my life back with no worries of hair loss or feelings of
» disfigurement anymore .
»
» So glad to see this guy moving forward.Its a great feeling!!!!
»
» 19,000 grafts by Dr Umar
wouldnt the beard hair mimic the head hair more than normal body hair, as far as texture, and thickness
having 8000 more grafts available through beard, and then having the possibility of not having to shave again, is killing two birds with one stone
i guess this might only be equivalent to about 4000 head hair grafts but that is still a lot
HanginInThere is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO ---
Hangin Regimen...........
Maxi Hair by Country Life 2/day
Kal Amino Max ..Chelated Multi Mineral..2/day
DHT blockers (daily intake)
Saw Palmetto, 320mg Standardized
Pygeum 500mg
Nettles 500mg
Beta Sitosterol 125mg
2% Nizoral Cream Topically Nightly,,,after Shampoo |
Heliboy
05.05.2008, 03:06
@ Steve78
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Beard hair supply |
As one who has had extensive BHT and know the reaslistic expectations that it offers(too many people compare body hair expectations to scalp hair expectations ) - this is for sure excellent work and he has to be ecstatic with this result. Beard hair has definitely had an impact on this case . The reason this is perceived as hard to believe is because groundwork has been broken on territory we have seen very few /to little in the past . Just as with other areas on the body when BHT began - individuals had a hard time beleiving the numbers . I tell people that I have had 17,000 body hair taken from all areas of my body and they still find it hard to comprehend. The same will hold true for beard hair until we see continous cases presented over time and it sinks in that it is real and viable.
Just so that I would know for future reference and use in the future if needed- I had an assesment done of my beard hair on my last visit to Dr Umar in Sept 2007. The evaluation revealed that Dr Umar could extract at least 8000 grafts + from my beard area . Its always nice to know what your options are to achieve the best results . It is nice to know what beard hair counts are available in case I need them later down the road . The beard hair area is very new to BHT but now that pristine extractions can be made and its characteristics most similar to scalp hair versus other BHT sources- its a valuable and viable option.
My life has changed more than I can ever explain after what Dr Umar has done for me using BHT and his continuous efforts to make it work and work better as seen in this case .I was at the dentist last Thursday. My hot little dental hygentist who I see twice a year finished up with me and as I was getting up from the chair she she said - "Your hair looks great- And where are your scars ?". She was referring to the enormous strip scars that have wrapped my head for years but Dr Umar has done such an excellent job with camoflauging them as much as possible with my body hair over several sessions . Of course they are not invisible because I keep my hair shaved on the sides but the scars are camoflauged very well with the body hair . Her comment made me feel even more thankful what I have been able to achieve to get my life back with no worries of hair loss or feelings of disfigurement anymore .
So glad to see this guy moving forward.Its a great feeling!!!!
19,000 grafts by Dr Umar
Heliboy is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
Steve78
05.05.2008, 00:34
@ scarred5
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Beard hair supply |
» » » Unlike head hair were donor preservation entails leaving behind as
» much
» » » hair behind as possible to maintain decent coverage on the back and
» » sides
» » » of the head, in facial hair harvesting using the SFET protocol
» » » ALL visible hair has been removed with successive surgeries.
» Thus
» » in
» » » some individuals, 6000-9000 grafts have been extracted successfully.
» »
» » OK I agree, I haven't thought about the need for donor preservation for
» » scalp hair.
»
» ah but the beard hair is coarser, i am in awe that that many beard hair
» are available, if we had known this yrs ago i could have saved so much of
» everything, to think he probably never has to shave his mug again, i think
» he should dye his hair blonde, is he intending to do more? i guess i was
» initially mistaken stating he had limited donor available,
I don't want to be rude but I don't buy it,
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ApeSmith
05.05.2008, 00:05
@ Dr Umar
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Hairline close up |
He looks terrific. Only a bald, or balding man whos spend countless hours online researching every cause of hair loss and every method of hair growth ,would ever take a 'second look' at this guy at an elevator or anywhere else. We have formed a radar for this kind of stuff, so we might be able to look at him and say "hmm hes probably had something done".
Anyways Dr. Umar your a genius, and i might be a potential patient, who knows. Thank God for Doctors like Umar.
ApeSmith is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
scarred5
04.05.2008, 23:54
@ johnp
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Beard hair supply |
» » Unlike head hair were donor preservation entails leaving behind as much
» » hair behind as possible to maintain decent coverage on the back and
» sides
» » of the head, in facial hair harvesting using the SFET protocol
» » ALL visible hair has been removed with successive surgeries. Thus
» in
» » some individuals, 6000-9000 grafts have been extracted successfully.
»
» OK I agree, I haven't thought about the need for donor preservation for
» scalp hair.
ah but the beard hair is coarser, i am in awe that that many beard hair are available, if we had known this yrs ago i could have saved so much of everything, to think he probably never has to shave his mug again, i think he should dye his hair blonde, is he intending to do more? i guess i was initially mistaken stating he had limited donor available,
scarred5 is locat |
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