Here is another example of how strip (FUT) can have a negative impact on a donor area. The patient had 4 strip procedures performed at a well known clinic over a ten year period. After strip (FUT) method is performed, the patient can heal poorly even if the procedure was performed by a good physician. The photo below shows scars on the donor area from strip (FUT) harvesting and a more recent tricophytic closure. Many strip physicians promote tricophytic closure as the sure fire way to make a strip scar invisible. In this case, not only is the strip scar highly visible, the hair growth angles are distorted for the remainder of this patient’s life. You can clearly see that the scar actually shows surrounding hairs growing in an upward direction and downward direction. This patient is no longer a candidate for strip and is now a candidate for CIT. With CIT, we may harvest the resources from the entire donor area without destroying the typical percentage of surrounding follicles. Fewer transplanted grafts will be necessary to achieve a natural looking result and the patient will have the option to wear a much shorter hair style. Now the patient wishes that he’d never had the strip procedure ever done as the benefits of CIT far exceed the adverse effects of the strip procedure to the donor area.
» Here is another example of how strip (FUT) can have a negative impact on a » donor area. The patient had 4 strip procedures performed at a well known » clinic over a ten year period. After strip (FUT) method is performed, the » patient can heal poorly even if the procedure was performed by a good » physician. The photo below shows scars on the donor area from strip (FUT) » harvesting and a more recent tricophytic closure. Many strip physicians » promote tricophytic closure as the sure fire way to make a strip scar » invisible. In this case, not only is the strip scar highly visible, the » hair growth angles are distorted for the remainder of this patient’s life. » You can clearly see that the scar actually shows surrounding hairs growing » in an upward direction and downward direction. This patient is no longer a » candidate for strip and is now a candidate for CIT. With CIT, we may » harvest the resources from the entire donor area without destroying the » typical percentage of surrounding follicles. Fewer transplanted grafts will » be necessary to achieve a natural looking result and the patient will have » the option to wear a much shorter hair style. Now the patient wishes that » he’d never had the strip procedure ever done as the benefits of CIT far » exceed the adverse effects of the strip procedure to the donor area. » » Free online consultation » form » »
terrible scar
also a perfect example of guys who say, strip does not reduce donor density, look at the hair surrounding the scar area, its almost bald
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» » Here is another example of how strip (FUT) can have a negative impact on » a » » donor area. The patient had 4 strip procedures performed at a well » known » » clinic over a ten year period. After strip (FUT) method is performed, » the » » patient can heal poorly even if the procedure was performed by a good » » physician. The photo below shows scars on the donor area from strip » (FUT) » » harvesting and a more recent tricophytic closure. Many strip physicians » » promote tricophytic closure as the sure fire way to make a strip scar » » invisible. In this case, not only is the strip scar highly visible, the » » hair growth angles are distorted for the remainder of this patient’s » life. » » You can clearly see that the scar actually shows surrounding hairs » growing » » in an upward direction and downward direction. This patient is no longer » a » » candidate for strip and is now a candidate for CIT. With CIT, we may » » harvest the resources from the entire donor area without destroying the » » typical percentage of surrounding follicles. Fewer transplanted grafts » will » » be necessary to achieve a natural looking result and the patient will » have » » the option to wear a much shorter hair style. Now the patient wishes » that » » he’d never had the strip procedure ever done as the benefits of CIT far » » exceed the adverse effects of the strip procedure to the donor area. » » » » Free online consultation » » form » » » » » » » terrible scar » » also a perfect example of guys who say, strip does not reduce donor » density, look at the hair surrounding the scar area, its almost bald
It's the lack of hair in the scar and the contrast in skin color that makes it so noticeable. The whitish-pink scar tone stands out from beige skin tone. Tricophytic closure will still show if the donor area is shaved down low. This is just the apparent downside of strip.
In strip, the donor area is decreased and the patient's donor area is subject to the same disadvantages as a scalp reduction. This is why you rarely see strip donor photos with patients shaved down below a #2 guard. One millimeter strip scars are not very common.
as a clinic who does strip or at least i think you do
can you set these guys straight who say, density in the donor area is the same, after a strip, because you simply cut out the area and stich the ends together
i say this is physically impossible...........unless you are only counting hair in the surrounding area, and the scar stretches an equal amount that you cut out, so now the donor density is the same, and there is a huge scar with zero density
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» as a clinic who does strip or at least i think you do » can you set these guys straight who say, density in the donor area is the » same, after a strip, because you simply cut out the area and stich the ends » together » » i say this is physically impossible...........unless you are only counting » hair in the surrounding area, and the scar stretches an equal amount that » you cut out, so now the donor density is the same, and there is a huge scar » with zero density,
I think i had shockloss around mine scar too and don't think it all come back, so that added to my laxity that is almost nil in areas it has really changed my donor.
» as a clinic who does strip or at least i think you do » can you set these guys straight who say, density in the donor area is the » same, after a strip, because you simply cut out the area and stich the ends » together » » i say this is physically impossible...........unless you are only counting » hair in the surrounding area, and the scar stretches an equal amount that » you cut out, so now the donor density is the same, and there is a huge scar » with zero density
I was the one who said that. It is possible if the strip is done right, have you seen some of Hasson/Wong pictures? There is practically no gaps in the donor and no loss of density since the two ends are stitched together.
» » as a clinic who does strip or at least i think you do » » can you set these guys straight who say, density in the donor area is » the » » same, after a strip, because you simply cut out the area and stich the » ends » » together » » » » i say this is physically impossible...........unless you are only » counting » » hair in the surrounding area, and the scar stretches an equal amount » that » » you cut out, so now the donor density is the same, and there is a huge » scar » » with zero density » » I was the one who said that. It is possible if the strip is done right, » have you seen some of Hasson/Wong pictures? There is practically no gaps » in the donor and no loss of density since the two ends are stitched » together. » »
to the naked eye it might appear no density loss but this is physically impossible
you cannot remove 20 percent of the hair in an area of skull, and retain the ddensity in that area
physically impossible
this also coincides with the theory that you have to lose 50 percent of the density in an area before hair loss becomes noticeable
so if you did lose lets say 20 percent of the density in the donor area afterwards you would not be able to detect it with the naked eye, but it would still be less
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» » » as a clinic who does strip or at least i think you do » » » can you set these guys straight who say, density in the donor area is » » the » » » same, after a strip, because you simply cut out the area and stich » the » » ends » » » together » » » » » » i say this is physically impossible...........unless you are only » » counting » » » hair in the surrounding area, and the scar stretches an equal amount » » that » » » you cut out, so now the donor density is the same, and there is a » huge » » scar » » » with zero density » » » » I was the one who said that. It is possible if the strip is done right, » » have you seen some of Hasson/Wong pictures? There is practically no » gaps » » in the donor and no loss of density since the two ends are stitched » » together. » » » » » » » to the naked eye it might appear no density loss but this is physically » impossible » » you cannot remove 20 percent of the hair in an area of skull, and retain » the ddensity in that area » physically impossible » » this also coincides with the theory that you have to lose 50 percent of » the density in an area before hair loss becomes noticeable » » so if you did lose lets say 20 percent of the density in the donor area » afterwards you would not be able to detect it with the naked eye, but it » would still be less
A small percentage of correctly performed strips will actually produce a pencil thin scar. The rest of them would still need FUE into the scar just so they could hopefully buzz come close to a 3 guard. Strip doesn't allow patients to wear a short hair style or come close to a #1 guard hair cut.
The actual donor density is not the same after any harvesting. You must focus on the entire donor area and not just the location above and below the strip harvest. Density is multiplied by the size of the donor area to yeild the total donor resource. The patient will have stretching over the entire scalp but more so at the site of the strip harvest.
What is this patient's density and what resource can be harvested from strip?
» we had a huge discussion with guys INSISTING that strip is capable of not » decreasing density in the donor area » » i said this is physically impossible but , the issue was never resolved » » thanks for adding one to the side of sanity
I concur, strip puts a minus on density. No matter how good a strip looks, it moves the donor in different directions.
» we had a huge discussion with guys INSISTING that strip is capable of not » decreasing density in the donor area » » i said this is physically impossible but , the issue was never resolved » » thanks for adding one to the side of sanity
This thread is definitely open for discussion. Here is patient who wears a short hair style and has unacceptable scarring. Most strip scars will look very similar to this patient's scar. While it is acceptible for some, we tend to think that patients shouldn't have to deal with a scar that can widen over time. To this day, younger patients are still being cornered into getting strips at young ages before they discover a better procedure.
» » Do you know why strip scars stretch? Clearly it doesn't happen to every » » strip patient, so why does some stretch and others don't? » » scalp laxity or lack thereof
I read it somewhere that staples instead of regular sutures work better at closing the donor and preventing the scar from widening.
» » » Do you know why strip scars stretch? Clearly it doesn't happen to » every » » » strip patient, so why does some stretch and others don't? » » » » scalp laxity or lack thereof » » I read it somewhere that staples instead of regular sutures work better at » closing the donor and preventing the scar from widening.
what do strip clinics tell patients about healing in the donor area?
» » » » Do you know why strip scars stretch? Clearly it doesn't happen to » » every » » » » strip patient, so why does some stretch and others don't? » » » » » » scalp laxity or lack thereof » » » » I read it somewhere that staples instead of regular sutures work better » at » » closing the donor and preventing the scar from widening. » what do strip clinics tell patients about healing in the donor area?
» » » » » Do you know why strip scars stretch? Clearly it doesn't happen to » » » every » » » » » strip patient, so why does some stretch and others don't? » » » » » » » » scalp laxity or lack thereof » » » » » » I read it somewhere that staples instead of regular sutures work » better » » at » » » closing the donor and preventing the scar from widening. » » what do strip clinics tell patients about healing in the donor area? » » "Don't worry, everything is gonna be alright"
Sorry, that isn't quite the answer that most strip clinics give regarding healing of the donor strip. They do give a similar response as the one below.
Whenever human skin is cut, it always heals by the process called "fibrosis." This fibrosis (commonly known as scarring) is the skin's way of healing. Thanks to the skill of our experienced hair transplant physician, the healing sites in the transplanted areas are usually so small that the fibrosis is virtually undetectable. Any scar in the donor area is covered by your existing hair.
Scare tactics against strip this seems to be.
I have seen and experienced poor results from both fue and strip.
Have a look at my post and my scar pictures and you will be impresssed.
If you want i can find plenty of bad pictures of fue.
All surgery has its risks and this is why researching for a top doctor is essential to minimise these risks.
» Scare tactics against strip this seems to be. » I have seen and experienced poor results from both fue and strip. » Have a look at my post and my scar pictures and you will be impresssed. » If you want i can find plenty of bad pictures of fue. » All surgery has its risks and this is why researching for a top doctor is » essential to minimise these risks.
No scare tactics. The comments posted here are actual statements published from actual clinics. You should post a bad result from CIT. You should post photos of a low hair cut on your donor area and I will be impressed. We are representing CIT, which is not quite FUE. Several FUE clinics promote FUE but don't have the insight or instrumentation to produce consistent quality results with fewer grafts. In our opinion, fewer transplanted grafts are in the best interest of the patient and preserve donor resource.
Most individuals know that any surgery has risks of scarring but which patients will be informed of the likely outcome of the donor healing.
» Scare tactics against strip this seems to be. » I have seen and experienced poor results from both fue and strip. » Have a look at my post and my scar pictures and you will be impresssed. » If you want i can find plenty of bad pictures of fue. » All surgery has its risks and this is why researching for a top doctor is » essential to minimise these risks.
No kidding, you can't just post a bad strip scar and make a blanket statement that all strips must be bad then. The same can go for fue too, I am sure there are a lot of fue guys living with ugly white dots in their head.
» » Scare tactics against strip this seems to be. » » I have seen and experienced poor results from both fue and strip. » » Have a look at my post and my scar pictures and you will be impresssed. » » If you want i can find plenty of bad pictures of fue. » » All surgery has its risks and this is why researching for a top doctor » is » » essential to minimise these risks. » » No kidding, you can't just post a bad strip scar and make a blanket » statement that all strips must be bad then. The same can go for fue too, I » am sure there are a lot of fue guys living with ugly white dots in their » head.
The object of the argrument was to enlighten younger individuals of the risks that most strip clinics do not discuss. Many individuals are not researching all options available based on their goals.
» » Scare tactics against strip this seems to be. » » I have seen and experienced poor results from both fue and strip. » » Have a look at my post and my scar pictures and you will be impresssed. » » If you want i can find plenty of bad pictures of fue. » » All surgery has its risks and this is why researching for a top doctor » is » » essential to minimise these risks. » » No kidding, you can't just post a bad strip scar and make a blanket » statement that all strips must be bad then. The same can go for fue too, I » am sure there are a lot of fue guys living with ugly white dots in their » head.
Fue guys living with ugly white dots on their head - please come forward
I've been doing quite a bit of research recently regarding this,but I've not found any white dotting FUE transplants patients yet.
I'm interested in a FUE transplant as long as there is no white dotting.
» Do you know why strip scars stretch? Clearly it doesn't happen to every » strip patient, so why does some stretch and others don't?
I had my scalp examined by Jotronic after my first HT and he said that my laxity was still very good.
So why did my strip scar stretch??? Sloppy surgeon ? I will never know ... and the damage is done. I can only say to myselve that there was no FUE option back then ...
» » Do you know why strip scars stretch? Clearly it doesn't happen to every » » strip patient, so why does some stretch and others don't? » » I had my scalp examined by Jotronic after my first HT and he said that my » laxity was still very good. » So why did my strip scar stretch??? Sloppy surgeon ? I will never know » ... and the damage is done. I can only say to myselve that there was no » FUE option back then ...
thats like asking a car salesman.............do you think I need a new car? why yes
is my laxity still good............you ask the salesman. I mean surgeon........why yes your laxity is perfect
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» The object of the argrument was to enlighten younger individuals of the » risks that most strip clinics do not discuss. Many individuals are not » researching all options available based on their goals.
Hi Cit
Well i feel you are not giving all the information on fue/fit/cit
Are you saying that had you performed CIT on this fellow your results would have been just as good as with the strip? If so, how do you account for the fact that no FUE (or as you call it CIT) result has equalled that of the same number of FUT grafts.
Also why do you call it CIT. Didn’t you used to call it FIT. What is the difference between these two and what is the difference between either when compared to FUE.Isn't this what I had with DHI.
Can i ask what size punches do you use.In a photo put up by one of your patientsi saw on another forum the holes in the back looked very large. Probably a 1mm punch in diameter or even greater.
I must criticize you for using the same scare tacticsimho that Dr Woods used to scare people away from strip procedures which to date is STILL the most popular, successful, and preferred method of hair transplantation. I just had one myself which i stated earlier and i would welcome your comments on my post. In spite of this scare tactic it seems the number of strip transplants only went up and not down. Is it your belief that strip surgery should just be dropped in favour of your techniques.If so, I think you may have some serious obstacles to overcome.
I have not seen any megasession FUE cases that rivaled an equal number of strip grafts, so don’t you think that should be disclosed to your patients so that they can take this into account when they go to make their decision.
Isn’t it also unfair to criticize this scar, which is well hidden under his hair, when your own CIT surgery causes even more scarring throughout the whole of the donor area and severely limits the number of grafts that can be obtained in successive surgeries.Are you claiming here that there is no limit to the number of grafts you can extract via CIT.
I look forward to your opinion on my concerns and on my recent strip HT.
Forgot to say you can clearly see the dots /scars on my photo and the other one posted.
Hairsite could you resize that photo so its not across the screen.please
» Hi Baldie » » Have a look at this picture of my donor which is slightly blurry but you » can clearly see the fue white dot/scars. » » http://www.pb-hair.co.uk/webblogs/bigmac/6.jpg » » I am going to compile a post together as imo this post is not stating all » the facts. » » Anyone who wants to see a good donor scar closure just have a look at my » thread below which has graphic pictures of a strip transplant. » » In the meantime i would like to see pictures of the donor area of fit/cit » patients immediately post op and if you have them one year shaved down. » » Once my scar heals i will gladly shave it down and post pictures as i » intend to document my ht journey from start to finish.
White dotting can be visible at really short hair length, period. ´Does it occur on every patient, no.
Does it happen less with smaller instruments (max 0,8 mm, yes
There is no miracle procedure, there is no free lunch.
But in the end most of us will be better of with tiny white dots than a linear scar if you like to wear very short hair.
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» » Hi Baldie » » » » Have a look at this picture of my donor which is slightly blurry but » you » » can clearly see the fue white dot/scars. » » » » http://www.pb-hair.co.uk/webblogs/bigmac/6.jpg » » » » I am going to compile a post together as imo this post is not stating » all » » the facts. » » » » Anyone who wants to see a good donor scar closure just have a look at » my » » thread below which has graphic pictures of a strip transplant. » » » » In the meantime i would like to see pictures of the donor area of » fit/cit » » patients immediately post op and if you have them one year shaved down. » » » » Once my scar heals i will gladly shave it down and post pictures as i » » intend to document my ht journey from start to finish. » » White dotting can be visible at really short hair length, period. ´Does » it occur on every patient, no. » Does it happen less with smaller instruments (max 0,8 mm, yes » » There is no miracle procedure, there is no free lunch. » » But in the end most of us will be better of with tiny white dots than a » linear scar if you like to wear very short hair.
you must be joking, these poor guys look absolutely terrible i would rather have a straight scar, than shotgun holes all over the back of my head
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bverotti's comments were right on the money. THERE AINT NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH. Those who think that they are going to get a hair transplant without ANY scarring are dreaming. The skin NATURALLY scars when it is punctured - aint no two ways about that.
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» Hi Baldie » » Have a look at this picture of my donor which is slightly blurry but you » can clearly see the fue white dot/scars. » » http://www.pb-hair.co.uk/webblogs/bigmac/6.jpg » » I am going to compile a post together as imo this post is not stating all » the facts. » » Anyone who wants to see a good donor scar closure just have a look at my » thread below which has graphic pictures of a strip transplant. » » In the meantime i would like to see pictures of the donor area of fit/cit » patients immediately post op and if you have them one year shaved down. » » Once my scar heals i will gladly shave it down and post pictures as i » intend to document my ht journey from start to finish.
bigmac,
Here are a few donor areas showing matured healing. These patients came back to us after the procedure so we examined the donor areas. Before the procedure, the patients are told that every time an incision is made in the human body, a scar will occur, although every effort will be made to make the extraction sites as inconspicuous as possible. Patients should be sure that they understand the advantages and risks before choosing any course of treatment. As I said before, what do strip clinic tell individuals in regard to donor area healing?
Nice promotional video but doesn`t actually show any real close up shots like you posted of that scar.
Can you post pictures of your patients with the same quality and also explain to me what the difference is between cit/fit and fue.
Also the punch size you use.
Please dont say its a trade secret though as every patient or prospective patient surely has a right to know.You clearly state what does a strip doctor not tell you so please tell me the answer to my simple questions.
» Hi Cit » » Nice promotional video but doesn`t actually show any real close up shots » like you posted of that scar. » Can you post pictures of your patients with the same quality and also » explain to me what the difference is between cit/fit and fue. » Also the punch size you use. » Please dont say its a trade secret though as every patient or prospective » patient surely has a right to know.You clearly state what does a strip » doctor not tell you so please tell me the answer to my simple questions. » » Thanks bigmac.
Consistent quality results, instrumentation, and technique! Here is a quality collage or two showing clear before and after results in a donor.
Thanks for those pictures,the donor area looks good.
Do you have any immediate post op pictures of this patient,also his recipient area and his 7 months growth pictures.
I ask a lot of questions and you have totally ignored my earlier questiond on the difference and punch size.
Also on your video you claim grey/white hairs cant be seen under a microscope when dissecting a strip.This is not true and i will post pictures that show they can be seen and most top clinics add a dye so they are even easier to be seen.
Forgot to ask you how many grafts were extracted from this patient and what norwood level would you say he is.
Looking at his pictures i would say he is at least a 5+.
» Thanks for those pictures,the donor area looks good. » Do you have any immediate post op pictures of this patient,also his » recipient area and his 7 months growth pictures. » I ask a lot of questions and you have totally ignored my earlier questiond » on the difference and punch size. » » Also on your video you claim grey/white hairs cant be seen under a » microscope when dissecting a strip.This is not true and i will post » pictures that show they can be seen and most top clinics add a dye so they » are even easier to be seen. » » Thanks again
Your welcome. Grey/white hairs can been seen under microscope but not as well as hairs that have more pigmentation. Obviously most clinics will add a dye to the base of the follicle for higher visibility of the FUs.
I apologize if you may not find my answer regarding instrument size to be acceptable. I can only disclose that the results and appearence of donors are acceptable and the donor areas are preserved appropriately in the best interests of the patients.
» Forgot to ask you how many grafts were extracted from this patient and what » norwood level would you say he is. » Looking at his pictures i would say he is at least a 5+.
This patient had 1300 grafts extracted from the donor area. I would say that he is about a Norwood 5 as well. In this case, the patient only agreed to release photos of the donor area and no other photos showing his top or frontal scalp. We are thankful to this patient for just allowing us to show the community the result. Unfortunately, not all of our patients want to be exposed online.
» » Forgot to ask you how many grafts were extracted from this patient and » what » » norwood level would you say he is. » » Looking at his pictures i would say he is at least a 5+. » » This patient had 1300 grafts extracted from the donor area. I would say » that he is about a Norwood 5 as well. In this case, the patient only » agreed to release photos of the donor area and no other photos showing his » top or frontal scalp. We are thankful to this patient for just allowing us » to show the community the result. Unfortunately, not all of our patients » want to be exposed online.
FUE! Beats strip guys. Dont let them sell ya!
mwinston
Thats your opinion and i`m pleased you feel this way
The purpose of this thread was to promote fue/cit against strip without CIT displaying all the facts.
Both procedures have there place.
» » Your welcome. Grey/white hairs can been seen under microscope but not as » well as hairs that have more pigmentation. Obviously most clinics will add » a dye to the base of the follicle for higher visibility of the FUs. » » I apologize if you may not find my answer regarding instrument size to be » acceptable. I can only disclose that the results and appearence of donors » are acceptable and the donor areas are preserved appropriately in the best » interests of the patients.
Hi CIT
Thanks for clarifying that these hairs can be seen so why on your promotional video does it say they cant
Quote CIT is a procedure for white or grey hair as it is impossible to see these hairs under a microscope strip dissection.
Here is a picture of white hairs under a microscope with strip dissection.
Now just to answer your earlier question on what strip doctors dont tell you.
I had my fourth hair transplamt with Shapiro medical group.I`m a well educated person on hair transplants due to all the research i`ve done over the last three years.When booking my HT with SMG i had to speak with Matt from SMG on the phone for over 30 minutes and he grilled me on what i wanted and what i could expect.
I was told by Matt the donor scar will be a fine line, you can expect to wear your hair at 1 cm in length. Some may be able to wear shorter depending on their density and how their hair shingles.This is what i already new though due to my research and it is what can be expected when you choose a top doctor to do your surgery.Not all doctors are equal and for every bad scar you show i can show bad fue pictures from doctors who aren`t so good.
Have a look at my Scar and you can see it is pencil thin at 10 days post op.
The picture has came out small but you can see it clearly on my HT post in this section.
Now could you please answer my question as to what is the difference between Cit/Fit/Fue as in my opinion they are the same.You also wont tell me the size of punch you use.
Lastly what was the reason the guy you posted pictures of only had 1300 grafts done on a NW5 as this will not do a lot in terms of coverage or density.In my opinion he would have been far better having a strip ht then doing fue afterwards.I had 1300 grafts placed in my thinning crown alone.Again have a look at my post.
I trust you can answer my questions and not skirt around the issue.
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