epiker0
07.05.2008, 16:32 |
Getting on with life (Hair Multiplication & Research) |
Although I've rarely ever posted here, I've been lurking a lot and like most of you, I've been hoping and waiting for that breakthrough that never seems to come. I've actually been checking this site for a number of years now.
Seeing that no significant progress has been made in HM, I've decided to go for an FUE hair transplant instead (probably later this year). I'm a NW 3 to 4 so I think it'll work out well for me-having seen the great results of people who's hairloss is worse than mine.
Hair is a social handicap and the kind of thing you rarely think about when you have it. When you don't its a blow to your confidence as we all know and have experienced.
I'm 35 now and don't want to miss out on what's left of my youth. I'd suggest the same to others who are in a similar position as mine. I can't wait another 2 to 5 or 10 years on false hope. If in that time a cure is developed-excellent, I'll buy into it then, but I'm not going to hold my breath. Life is short and not worth squandering on things that might not come to pass.
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bug2
18.06.2008, 05:15
@ HanginInThere
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Getting on with life |
» » » the folly of youth is , once i get this age i wont care
» » »
» » » why ask the board what they think anyway? if you do not take anyones
» » » advice except the young dumb ones?
» »
» » Hanging please. If anything, you're living proof age doesn't guarantee
» » maturity.
» »
» »
» »
» »
» »
» » .
» I did not say age guaranteed maturity...........I said if you are older
» you still care about your appearance.............you just have a bigger
» number of candles on your birthday cake............in your case a few less
» brain cells to boot
»
» so you are saying if you are older you wont care how you look right?
» what more could we expect from such a dumbass  after all you
» believed ICX was coming soon
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bug2
18.06.2008, 05:02
@ HMorHT
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Getting on with life |
» » I completely agree with you epiker0. I am also 35, NW4. HM is too far in
» » the future and if you add a "maybe" to that, FUE is probably the best
» » option for a NW3-4 at this time. I haven't spent much time on this
» website,
» » but recently the hair complex has become more accute than ever.
» » So this is my first post on this site and I replied to you because your
» » post has weighed in my decision to go for a FUE -probably this summer.
» » First I have to do some homework and try to separate fact from
» advertising
» » and bias. The major concern with FUE seems to be the "white dots"
» visible
» » on some patiens donor area. I would appreciate any comments from
» persons
» » that have undergone FUE. Does the size of the needle matter?
»
» You should take a look at the hair transplant forum, Cole posted a donor
» video which looks very amazing. No white dots anywhere.
good idea
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HMorHT
26.05.2008, 21:09
@ fairhair
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Getting on with life |
» I completely agree with you epiker0. I am also 35, NW4. HM is too far in
» the future and if you add a "maybe" to that, FUE is probably the best
» option for a NW3-4 at this time. I haven't spent much time on this website,
» but recently the hair complex has become more accute than ever.
» So this is my first post on this site and I replied to you because your
» post has weighed in my decision to go for a FUE -probably this summer.
» First I have to do some homework and try to separate fact from advertising
» and bias. The major concern with FUE seems to be the "white dots" visible
» on some patiens donor area. I would appreciate any comments from persons
» that have undergone FUE. Does the size of the needle matter?
You should take a look at the hair transplant forum, Cole posted a donor video which looks very amazing. No white dots anywhere.
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epiker0
25.05.2008, 21:10
@ fairhair
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Getting on with life |
»
» I completely agree with you epiker0. I am also 35, NW4. HM is too far in
» the future and if you add a "maybe" to that, FUE is probably the best
» option for a NW3-4 at this time. I haven't spent much time on this website,
» but recently the hair complex has become more accute than ever.
» So this is my first post on this site and I replied to you because your
» post has weighed in my decision to go for a FUE -probably this summer.
» First I have to do some homework and try to separate fact from advertising
» and bias. The major concern with FUE seems to be the "white dots" visible
» on some patiens donor area. I would appreciate any comments from persons
» that have undergone FUE. Does the size of the needle matter?
I appreciate your post fairhair and glad to know that my message resonated with others in a similar situation as myself. I've only done some basic research on hair transplants and felt FUE was probably the best for me, though it is more costly. Unfortunately I haven't done much more digging so I'm unable to provide more info on FUE but you might want to try the guys in the Hair Transplant section on this site.
An aside, I read about doctors using stem cells to enlarge women's breasts and of course it begs the obvious, why can't they inject stem cells in our scalp and make hair grow? Its frustrating to watch medical advances for everything else except hairloss. Its not as if there isn't a multi-billion dollar market for people suffering with our ailment. While the FUE won't give us a permanent 'cure' it will make a significant change in our appearance for the meanwhile, until that breakthrough finally arrives.
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fairhair
22.05.2008, 01:11
@ epiker0
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Getting on with life |
» Although I've rarely ever posted here, I've been lurking a lot and like
» most of you, I've been hoping and waiting for that breakthrough that never
» seems to come. I've actually been checking this site for a number of years
» now.
»
» Seeing that no significant progress has been made in HM, I've decided to
» go for an FUE hair transplant instead (probably later this year). I'm a NW
» 3 to 4 so I think it'll work out well for me-having seen the great results
» of people who's hairloss is worse than mine.
»
» Hair is a social handicap and the kind of thing you rarely think about
» when you have it. When you don't its a blow to your confidence as we all
» know and have experienced.
»
» I'm 35 now and don't want to miss out on what's left of my youth. I'd
» suggest the same to others who are in a similar position as mine. I can't
» wait another 2 to 5 or 10 years on false hope. If in that time a cure is
» developed-excellent, I'll buy into it then, but I'm not going to hold my
» breath. Life is short and not worth squandering on things that might not
» come to pass.
I completely agree with you epiker0. I am also 35, NW4. HM is too far in the future and if you add a "maybe" to that, FUE is probably the best option for a NW3-4 at this time. I haven't spent much time on this website, but recently the hair complex has become more accute than ever.
So this is my first post on this site and I replied to you because your post has weighed in my decision to go for a FUE -probably this summer.
First I have to do some homework and try to separate fact from advertising and bias. The major concern with FUE seems to be the "white dots" visible on some patiens donor area. I would appreciate any comments from persons that have undergone FUE. Does the size of the needle matter?
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cal
16.05.2008, 19:10
@ hairboy2008
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Check for pattern thinning |
Life & sex & wanting to look good don't all come to an end at 40, bud.
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hairboy2008
16.05.2008, 16:18
@ fckhrls
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Check for pattern thinning |
» The real question is, how does one know if their hairloss has stabalized?
» The OP is 35. Can he expect further loss? Or does loss continue
» throughout life until you're a NW7?
Not everyone progresses to a NW7. Some people progress to a NW3 and stabilize there for the majority of their lives.
It's hard to tell how bald you will get. You should look for the obvious signs such as thinning in a NW6 or NW7 pattern. If your hairs are miniaturizing in a certain pattern or you are losing your hair in a certain pattern, you can expect to progress to that level.
I knew I would be a NW6 or NW7 just by the thinning pattern.
Also, you should look at familial history. If your father is a NW6 and you are losing your hair, you should expect too progress to that level.
Even still, at 35 years of age, he doesn't have much "youth" left. In a few years he will be middle-aged. So, if he has an "island" of hair at 55 years of age, who cares? He'll be an old man by then.
In the meantime, the 35 year old with have a few years to enjoy his nice head of hair. Chicks to bang.
I would die a happy man if I could live one year of life with a full head of hair. Just one year, that's all I would ask then I would die a happy man.
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hairboy2008
16.05.2008, 16:12
@ epiker0
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Good Attitude |
» I'm 35 now and don't want to miss out on what's left of my youth. I'd
» suggest the same to others who are in a similar position as mine. I can't
» wait another 2 to 5 or 10 years on false hope. If in that time a cure is
» developed-excellent, I'll buy into it then, but I'm not going to hold my
» breath. Life is short and not worth squandering on things that might not
» come to pass.
That's a good attitude. I'm your age. I'm a NW7 with less than high density in my donor area. I will continue to thin in my donor area like my father, most likely, who has very little hair left on his head other than a see-through fringe.
If I had enough hair to give me a good result, I would do it in a heartbeat. But, at a NW7 with a thin donor zone, it would be a waste to scar up my scalp for something that couldn't give me a cosmetically acceptable result. So, I will never get a HT. I'm stuck having to continue shaving my head completely bald every two or three days. 
You, on the other hand, are fortunate that your baldness is not as advanced.
Good luck. I wish you only the best. And when you get your hair back, please to out and enjoy life as much as you possibly can.
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cal
09.05.2008, 12:07
@ FatalEvolution
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When does hair loss "stabalize"? |
If you define "stabilize" as the hair loss has fallen into a predictable pattern and its rate of progression has slowed, then it most often happens in the 30s somewhere.
If you define "stabilize" as meaning that all hair loss has STOPPED entirely, then it's never gonna happen. Even if you're a NW#7 at age 33, your remaining safe-zone hair will still be thinning throughout the rest of your life.
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FatalEvolution
09.05.2008, 08:36
@ fckhrls
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When does hair loss "stabalize"? |
» The real question is, how does one know if their hairloss has stabalized?
the hairloss will stabilize when you're an nw7 with no hair left on top, but at that time, donor area will not be sufficient for a decent HT. That's the reason and définition of why HT sucks.
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Leonard
09.05.2008, 06:11
@ BALDIE42
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no good saying he can shave his head,either |
» » you fill in the head on a nw 3, keep chasing that balding, then later
» you
» » go to a NW7, You are going to have a huge bald ring, surrounding a
» thick
» » tuft of hair on the top.........and no donor hair left................
» »
» »
» »
» » this is what he can expect if he fills in his hair now, at a lower
» norwood
» » level, and then progresses later to a NW7
» »
» » then where is he going to get the hair to fill THIS in once he already
» » tapped out his donor to have a nice thick top..............NOWHERE ,
» unless
» » HM comes to the rescue.................and he still has body hair as an
» » option but look at that HUGE BALD RING, how is body hair going to fix
» » that?
» »
» » ![[image]](http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i192/outwest77/2a.jpg)
»
» Its no good saying he can shave his head,as a shaved head leaves a shadow!
Guys,
First of all a good surgeon these days will perform a HT with your future balding pattern in mind. So, the result shown in the above picture can be considered very unlikely. To anyone reading this thread and being worried about the above, you shouldn't be. There is a lot of misinformation on this board.
Secondly, I am not denying that some people have been in the situation as the above picture shows. However, these patients are usually the product of HTs in the 80s, when the technology was relatively primitive (it really doesn't happen these days). And if indeed you are one of the people who has a bald ring, you can always have it rectified by having another FUE to re-transplant the hairs on the top to the sides. I've seen this before on a family friend. Surgeons classify such surgery under repair work.
Epiker, you should always verify for yourself the information or advice on this board (including my own). There is a lot of misinformation here.
Best,
Leo
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rev
08.05.2008, 19:31
@ HanginInThere
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Getting on with life |
» yes the young ones are dumb , is that a surprise?
» being a young dumb one I guess it would be to you
»
» try not to cry too much 
It never ends with you man.
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HanginInThere
08.05.2008, 19:21
@ rev
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Getting on with life |
» posted by HanginInThere, 08.05.2008, 18:37
» I did not say age guaranteed maturity...........I said if you are older
» you still care about your appearance.............
»
» no you said:
»
» posted by HanginInThere, 08.05.2008, 17:28
» why ask the board what they think anyway? if you do not take anyones
» advice except the young dumb ones?
»
»
» posted by HanginInThere, 08.05.2008, 18:37
» what more could we expect from such a dumbass
» indeed. what more could we expect.
»
»
»
»
» .
yes the young ones are dumb , is that a surprise?
being a young dumb one I guess it would be to you
try not to cry too much
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rev
08.05.2008, 19:13
@ HanginInThere
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Getting on with life |
posted by HanginInThere, 08.05.2008, 18:37
I did not say age guaranteed maturity...........I said if you are older you still care about your appearance.............
no you said:
posted by HanginInThere, 08.05.2008, 17:28
why ask the board what they think anyway? if you do not take anyones advice except the young dumb ones?
posted by HanginInThere, 08.05.2008, 18:37
what more could we expect from such a dumbass
indeed. what more could we expect.
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HanginInThere
08.05.2008, 18:37
@ rev
|
Getting on with life |
» » the folly of youth is , once i get this age i wont care
» »
» » why ask the board what they think anyway? if you do not take anyones
» » advice except the young dumb ones?
»
» Hanging please. If anything, you're living proof age doesn't guarantee
» maturity.
»
»
»
»
»
» .
I did not say age guaranteed maturity...........I said if you are older you still care about your appearance.............you just have a bigger number of candles on your birthday cake............in your case a few less brain cells to boot
so you are saying if you are older you wont care how you look right?
what more could we expect from such a dumbass after all you believed ICX was coming soon
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rev
08.05.2008, 18:07
@ HanginInThere
|
Getting on with life |
» the folly of youth is , once i get this age i wont care
»
» why ask the board what they think anyway? if you do not take anyones
» advice except the young dumb ones?
Hanging please. If anything, you're living proof age doesn't guarantee maturity.
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HanginInThere
08.05.2008, 17:28
@ epiker0
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Getting on with life |
» » » Epiker, Rev is right. If you are thinning slowly and plan to use FUE,
» » then
» » » I don't think it is a problem if you become a NW6 or NW7. At worst
» you
» » can
» » » have the transplanted hairs replanted somewhere else via FUE again -
» » I've
» » » seen this happen.
» » »
» » » I think the people to get best advice from are those who have had a
» HT
» » and
» » » have gone through that experience, rather than someone who hasn't.
» »
» » Exactly, he could always get a very small fue session to see if the
» » procedure leaves any "dot" scars before he continues. With FUE, he
» could
» » always buzz his head in his 50s/ 60s and people will be none-the-wiser.
»
» Glad to see you guys see it the way I do, that's pretty much my plan.
» Until we have a cure, hairloss is inevitable for many of us-so we need to
» make the best of the situation with what's available.
»
» I realize a HT won't be permanent but it's a good interim solution till
» something better comes along and if nothing does, at least I get to enjoy
» 5-10 years (hopefully) of having the appearance of a normal head of hair.
» That's more time than I need to party as much as I want and then settle
» down.
»
» HanginginThere is making it sound as if I'll be a NW7 tomorrow but my
» hairloss has been gradual and its only been noticeable once I entered my
» 30s, nearly identical to my father's progression and he still had
» reasonable coverage into his 50s. That's why I believe a NW 6/7 is still at
» least a decade or two off for me. And like you said Rev, I'll just buzz it
» off once it gets bad in my 60s, no one will care what I look like at that
» age anyway. 
the folly of youth is , once i get this age i wont care
why ask the board what they think anyway? if you do not take anyones advice except the young dumb ones?
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rev
08.05.2008, 15:51
@ HanginInThere
|
Getting on with life |
» this is what he can expect if he fills in his hair now, at a lower norwood
» level, and then progresses later to a NW7
»
» then where is he going to get the hair to fill THIS in once he already
» tapped out his donor to have a nice thick top..............NOWHERE , unless
» HM comes to the rescue.................and he still has body hair as an
» option but look at that HUGE BALD RING, how is body hair going to fix
» that?
»
»
He can expect to look like MR T?
WOW. I pity the fool that thinks that's a buzz-cut.
![[image]](http://www.bitetv.ca/blog/archives/mr-t-2.jpg)
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epiker0
08.05.2008, 12:14
@ rev
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Getting on with life |
» » Epiker, Rev is right. If you are thinning slowly and plan to use FUE,
» then
» » I don't think it is a problem if you become a NW6 or NW7. At worst you
» can
» » have the transplanted hairs replanted somewhere else via FUE again -
» I've
» » seen this happen.
» »
» » I think the people to get best advice from are those who have had a HT
» and
» » have gone through that experience, rather than someone who hasn't.
»
» Exactly, he could always get a very small fue session to see if the
» procedure leaves any "dot" scars before he continues. With FUE, he could
» always buzz his head in his 50s/ 60s and people will be none-the-wiser.
Glad to see you guys see it the way I do, that's pretty much my plan. Until we have a cure, hairloss is inevitable for many of us-so we need to make the best of the situation with what's available.
I realize a HT won't be permanent but it's a good interim solution till something better comes along and if nothing does, at least I get to enjoy 5-10 years (hopefully) of having the appearance of a normal head of hair. That's more time than I need to party as much as I want and then settle down.
HanginginThere is making it sound as if I'll be a NW7 tomorrow but my hairloss has been gradual and its only been noticeable once I entered my 30s, nearly identical to my father's progression and he still had reasonable coverage into his 50s. That's why I believe a NW 6/7 is still at least a decade or two off for me. And like you said Rev, I'll just buzz it off once it gets bad in my 60s, no one will care what I look like at that age anyway.
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BALDIE42
Uk,
08.05.2008, 10:19
@ HanginInThere
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We are our worse enemy! |
» » » you fill in the head on a nw 3, keep chasing that balding, then later
» » you
» » » go to a NW7, You are going to have a huge bald ring, surrounding a
» » thick
» » » tuft of hair on the top.........and no donor hair
» left................
» » »
» » »
» » »
» » » this is what he can expect if he fills in his hair now, at a lower
» » norwood
» » » level, and then progresses later to a NW7
» » »
» » » then where is he going to get the hair to fill THIS in once he
» already
» » » tapped out his donor to have a nice thick top..............NOWHERE ,
» » unless
» » » HM comes to the rescue.................and he still has body hair as
» an
» » » option but look at that HUGE BALD RING, how is body hair going to fix
» » » that?
» » »
» » »
» »
» » Its no good saying he can shave his head,as a shaved head leaves a
» shadow!
»
» thats what i said
»
» shaving the head does no good
» he is a freak any way you look at it
»
» how many guys consider this possibility, not many
»
» but considering the absolute desperate situation this would lead to, I am
» surprised it is not discussed more
I actually do business with a major company - the owner/director as just what your on about,but its a funny old world my mates,who's got hair,telling me about the wife of this bloke,shes had several plastic surgeries - I then say something like I think you'll find he's had a eighties style hair transplant,as well,at this point my mate states he'd forgotten about that - he was sitting in front of us less than 30 minutes before - you see not everyone takes any notice,my mate had got used to seeing it!
We are our worse enemy!
This weekend I shaved my head both nights I was working away,my mate who works along side me says - WHY - he's a NW6.I made a joke about it - no ones really bothered except ourselves,but I still wish I had more hair at the front,even if I think I look okay with a shaved head - Silly people we are!
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HanginInThere
08.05.2008, 09:53
@ BALDIE42
|
no good saying he can shave his head,either |
» » you fill in the head on a nw 3, keep chasing that balding, then later
» you
» » go to a NW7, You are going to have a huge bald ring, surrounding a
» thick
» » tuft of hair on the top.........and no donor hair left................
» »
» »
» »
» » this is what he can expect if he fills in his hair now, at a lower
» norwood
» » level, and then progresses later to a NW7
» »
» » then where is he going to get the hair to fill THIS in once he already
» » tapped out his donor to have a nice thick top..............NOWHERE ,
» unless
» » HM comes to the rescue.................and he still has body hair as an
» » option but look at that HUGE BALD RING, how is body hair going to fix
» » that?
» »
» »
»
» Its no good saying he can shave his head,as a shaved head leaves a shadow!
thats what i said
shaving the head does no good
he is a freak any way you look at it
how many guys consider this possibility, not many
but considering the absolute desperate situation this would lead to, I am surprised it is not discussed more
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BALDIE42
Uk,
08.05.2008, 09:43
@ HanginInThere
|
no good saying he can shave his head,either |
» you fill in the head on a nw 3, keep chasing that balding, then later you
» go to a NW7, You are going to have a huge bald ring, surrounding a thick
» tuft of hair on the top.........and no donor hair left................
»
»
»
» this is what he can expect if he fills in his hair now, at a lower norwood
» level, and then progresses later to a NW7
»
» then where is he going to get the hair to fill THIS in once he already
» tapped out his donor to have a nice thick top..............NOWHERE , unless
» HM comes to the rescue.................and he still has body hair as an
» option but look at that HUGE BALD RING, how is body hair going to fix
» that?
»
»
Its no good saying he can shave his head,as a shaved head leaves a shadow!
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saturn
08.05.2008, 09:06
@ HanginInThere
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Getting on with life |
What about really good peice for his ring
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HanginInThere
08.05.2008, 08:25
(edited by HanginInThere, 08.05.2008, 08:59)
@ rev
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Getting on with life |
you fill in the head on a nw 3, keep chasing that balding, then later you go to a NW7, You are going to have a huge bald ring, surrounding a thick tuft of hair on the top.........and no donor hair left................
this is what he can expect if he fills in his hair now, at a lower norwood level, and then progresses later to a NW7
then where is he going to get the hair to fill THIS in once he already tapped out his donor to have a nice thick top..............NOWHERE , unless HM comes to the rescue.................and he still has body hair as an option but look at that HUGE BALD RING, how is body hair going to fix that?
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rev
08.05.2008, 05:22
@ HanginInThere
|
Getting on with life |
» what good is having no scarring.....................anyone can do that if
» they get FUE assuming they dont overharvest the donor
»
» what good is no scars if you look like a freak with a bald ring around an
» island of hair
»
» i would choose scars over that situation
»
» that was my point in telling him he is a fool to get a transplant
»
» obviously you think he is a good choice for a tranplant being he is only
» headed for a NW SEVEN
»
» Yes anyone headed to a NW7 those guys are the best candidates for
» transplants arent they..............
First. Seriously, you talk too much. try to condense your comments. I don't have time to spoon feed you common facts.
Second. Please try to cut-back on the freak/ fool garbage. you're 42. act like it.
Third. He's a NW3/4 which means any procedure will involve filling in the head (not just building a hairline).. which means no rings (even if he shed the rest of his hair).
Fourth. He could get a medium density NW3 procedure & buzz his head anytime he wants -- illusion of hair achieved.
Fifth. It's his decision, and his money.
Sixth. Any good surgeon will advise him of his options/ drawbacks.
Seventh. You're not a surgeon.
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HanginInThere
08.05.2008, 05:06
@ rev
|
Getting on with life |
» » no, you said how would he be a fool in his 60s if he used FUE now since
» it
» » is scar free
» »
» » who is talking about scars
» »
» » I am talking about him having an island of hair, with a huge bald ring
» » around it, that he cannot fix..........since he tapped out his donor
» hair
» » years ago
» »
» » he himself admitted he is headed to NW7
» »
» » guess that goes over your head
»
» Who is talking about scars?
» He is in his very first post !!!
»
»
»
» .
what good is having no scarring.....................anyone can do that if they get FUE assuming they dont overharvest the donor
what good is no scars if you look like a freak with a bald ring around an island of hair
i would choose scars over that situation
that was my point in telling him he is a fool to get a transplant
obviously you think he is a good choice for a tranplant being he is only headed for a NW SEVEN
Yes anyone headed to a NW7 those guys are the best candidates for transplants arent they..............
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rev
08.05.2008, 04:56
@ HanginInThere
|
Getting on with life |
» no, you said how would he be a fool in his 60s if he used FUE now since it
» is scar free
»
» who is talking about scars
»
» I am talking about him having an island of hair, with a huge bald ring
» around it, that he cannot fix..........since he tapped out his donor hair
» years ago
»
» he himself admitted he is headed to NW7
»
» guess that goes over your head
Who is talking about scars?
He is in his very first post !!!
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HanginInThere
08.05.2008, 04:35
@ rev
|
Getting on with life |
» » you are assuming that HM will be here by the time he gets into his 60s ,
» » otherwise if he progresses to a NW7 and has used up all his donor hair
» many
» » years ago, then how is he going to fix the huge additional balding that
» has
» » taken place with no scalp donor hair left? body hair? its iffy and
» » expensive
» »
» » if he taps out his donor hair early then goes to a NW7 he is totally
» » screwed unless HM is here,
» »
» » can you comprehend that................Little man?
»
» The only assumption I made was that you'd reply with another insulting,
» and rather uneducated comment. Nice touch calling me a Little Man.
»
» Even if he lost the rest of his hair in his 60s, he could buzz his head
» without worry of hiding that unsightly scar associated with FUT. I'm pretty
» sure I already made that point.
»
»
»
»
no, you said how would he be a fool in his 60s if he used FUE now since it is scar free
who is talking about scars
I am talking about him having an island of hair, with a huge bald ring around it, that he cannot fix..........since he tapped out his donor hair years ago
he himself admitted he is headed to NW7
guess that goes over your head
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rev
08.05.2008, 04:11
@ HanginInThere
|
Getting on with life |
» you are assuming that HM will be here by the time he gets into his 60s ,
» otherwise if he progresses to a NW7 and has used up all his donor hair many
» years ago, then how is he going to fix the huge additional balding that has
» taken place with no scalp donor hair left? body hair? its iffy and
» expensive
»
» if he taps out his donor hair early then goes to a NW7 he is totally
» screwed unless HM is here,
»
» can you comprehend that................Little man?
The only assumption I made was that you'd reply with another insulting, and rather uneducated comment. Nice touch calling me a Little Man.
Even if he lost the rest of his hair in his 60s, he could buzz his head without worry of hiding that unsightly scar associated with FUT. I'm pretty sure I already made that point.
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HanginInThere
08.05.2008, 03:58
@ rev
|
Getting on with life |
» hanginginthere
» you completely missed the whole point
»
» if you are headed to a NW7 And you go in now and thickly transplant the
» areas where you lost it and you look great, the more hair you use the worse
» it is
»
» when you are in your 50s heading to the final stages you will not have
» enough hair to chase your balding, and you will have a thick crop of hair
» surrounded by a bald ring and you will not be able to fix it
» you will have no donor hair left
»
» then you will look like a freak
»
» so you are saying since you will be in your 60s you wont mind it? think
» again
»
» You would be a fool to get a transplant
»
» How would he be a fool in his 50s/60s after using a virtually scar-free
» procedure like FUE in his mid 30s? I'm dying to hear an explanation...
» hopefully one without emoticons, crybaby comments, or calling people
» fools.
»
» You're quite the character hanging.... you're a member on a hair forum,
» you're against the latest non-invasive hair transplant surgeries, you don't
» believe in future hair treatments like cloning, and you can't substantiate
» your so-called natural regime.
»
» So please... by all means... go on.
»
»
»
» .
you are assuming that HM will be here by the time he gets into his 60s , otherwise if he progresses to a NW7 and has used up all his donor hair many years ago, then how is he going to fix the huge additional balding that has taken place with no scalp donor hair left? body hair? its iffy and expensive
if he taps out his donor hair early then goes to a NW7 he is totally screwed unless HM is here,
can you comprehend that................Little man?
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fckhrls
08.05.2008, 02:34
@ HanginInThere
|
When does hair loss "stabalize"? |
» have you considered future thinning? lets say you spend 30 or 40k on a
» nice transplant your hair looks fantastic, easy to do nowadays with the top
» surgeons out there. lets say you used up 7000 grafts.
»
» ok now 10 yrs later you thin way more dramatically and you have a bald rim
» around the transplanted hairline on top that looked so great before
»
» now you have pretty much tapped out your donor hair, 7k hairs, is getting
» to the upper limits, so what do you do now. ? if you just went bald
» naturally you would be ok shave your head whatever , Now you pretty much
» have no choice you HAVE to do something you have a freakish bald rim around
» a thick top and front hairline and you basically have no scalp donor hair
» left. so what now? body hair?
»
» see what I mean
»
» thats what would keep me from having a transplant. unknown future
» thinning
»
The real question is, how does one know if their hairloss has stabalized? The OP is 35. Can he expect further loss? Or does loss continue throughout life until you're a NW7?
» better to look naturally bald than look like a freak with an island of
» hair that you cannot fix
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Wylie
08.05.2008, 00:33
@ HanginInThere
|
Getting on with life |
» » Thanks for the comments. To address a couple of points that were raised,
» I
» » plan to get a FUE transplant not strip because I've seen how awful that
» can
» » be. Also my hairloss is gradual, its thinning like my father's so I
» expect
» » to be a NW 6/7 in my 60's. If I was balding rapidly I wouldn't consider
» a
» » transplant.
» »
» » The aim is to get most of my hair back (via the transplant) so I can
» enjoy
» » it now while I'm still in the prime of my life. Once I'm older and have
» » settled down with a decent woman it won't really matter if I go bald.
»
» you completely missed the whole point
»
» if you are headed to a NW7 And you go in now and thickly transplant the
» areas where you lost it and you look great, the more hair you use the worse
» it is
»
» when you are in your 50s heading to the final stages you will not have
» enough hair to chase your balding, and you will have a thick crop of hair
» surrounded by a bald ring and you will not be able to fix it
» you will have no donor hair left
»
» then you will look like a freak
»
» so you are saying since you will be in your 60s you wont mind it? think
» again
»
» You would be a fool to get a transplant
You have certainly painted a worst case scenario, and to think that anyone would enter into a HT after researching both doctors and techniques makes this scenario unlikely.
I dont think anyone who has done their research has to worry about such a result
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fckhrls
08.05.2008, 00:06
@ HanginInThere
|
Getting on with life |
» » Thanks for the comments. To address a couple of points that were raised,
» I
» » plan to get a FUE transplant not strip because I've seen how awful that
» can
» » be. Also my hairloss is gradual, its thinning like my father's so I
» expect
» » to be a NW 6/7 in my 60's. If I was balding rapidly I wouldn't consider
» a
» » transplant.
» »
» » The aim is to get most of my hair back (via the transplant) so I can
» enjoy
» » it now while I'm still in the prime of my life. Once I'm older and have
» » settled down with a decent woman it won't really matter if I go bald.
»
» you completely missed the whole point
»
» if you are headed to a NW7 And you go in now and thickly transplant the
» areas where you lost it and you look great, the more hair you use the worse
» it is
»
» when you are in your 50s heading to the final stages you will not have
» enough hair to chase your balding, and you will have a thick crop of hair
» surrounded by a bald ring and you will not be able to fix it
» you will have no donor hair left
»
» then you will look like a freak
»
» so you are saying since you will be in your 60s you wont mind it? think
» again
»
» You would be a fool to get a transplant
I think many of these points are valid outside of the possibility of a future protocol. The OP is young. If he gets a FUE now, is it unlikley that ten years from now there won't be a legitimate HM technique? How about in 15 years? I think anyone in their early 30s can safely get a HT and count on a future treatment that will nullify the downsides. The OP is 35 - I'd say he's about as old as you can be and still safely bet on a future treatment being available in time to save him from the potential negatives.
That being said, I can think of a lot better ways to spend 20k than on a procedure that will not truly restore you hair and will still have most people assume you're balding. If I were him, I'd try some more extreme dosages (15% minox formulas, Dut, etc.) and go bald gracefully with a buzz cut (don't shave it bald - most guys think that's a cool look, but it really, really isn't for most men). But only he can make that decision.
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rev
07.05.2008, 23:54
@ Leonard
|
Getting on with life |
» Epiker, Rev is right. If you are thinning slowly and plan to use FUE, then
» I don't think it is a problem if you become a NW6 or NW7. At worst you can
» have the transplanted hairs replanted somewhere else via FUE again - I've
» seen this happen.
»
» I think the people to get best advice from are those who have had a HT and
» have gone through that experience, rather than someone who hasn't.
Exactly, he could always get a very small fue session to see if the procedure leaves any "dot" scars before he continues. With FUE, he could always buzz his head in his 50s/ 60s and people will be none-the-wiser.
.
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Leonard
07.05.2008, 23:48
@ rev
|
Getting on with life |
» hanginginthere
» you completely missed the whole point
»
» if you are headed to a NW7 And you go in now and thickly transplant the
» areas where you lost it and you look great, the more hair you use the worse
» it is
»
» when you are in your 50s heading to the final stages you will not have
» enough hair to chase your balding, and you will have a thick crop of hair
» surrounded by a bald ring and you will not be able to fix it
» you will have no donor hair left
»
» then you will look like a freak
»
» so you are saying since you will be in your 60s you wont mind it? think
» again
»
» You would be a fool to get a transplant
»
» How would he be a fool in his 50s/60s after using a virtually scar-free
» procedure like FUE in his mid 30s? I'm dying to hear an explanation...
» hopefully one without emoticons, crybaby comments, or calling people
» fools.
Epiker, Rev is right. If you are thinning slowly and plan to use FUE, then I don't think it is a problem if you become a NW6 or NW7. At worst you can have the transplanted hairs replanted somewhere else via FUE again - I've seen this happen.
I think the people to get best advice from are those who have had a HT and have gone through that experience, rather than someone who hasn't.
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rev
07.05.2008, 23:43
(edited by rev, 07.05.2008, 23:48)
@ HanginInThere
|
Getting on with life |
hanginginthere
you completely missed the whole point
if you are headed to a NW7 And you go in now and thickly transplant the areas where you lost it and you look great, the more hair you use the worse it is
when you are in your 50s heading to the final stages you will not have enough hair to chase your balding, and you will have a thick crop of hair surrounded by a bald ring and you will not be able to fix it
you will have no donor hair left
then you will look like a freak
so you are saying since you will be in your 60s you wont mind it? think again
You would be a fool to get a transplant
How would he be a fool in his 50s/60s after using a virtually scar-free procedure like FUE in his mid 30s? I'm dying to hear an explanation... hopefully one without emoticons, crybaby comments, or calling people fools.
You're quite the character hanging.... you're a member on a hair forum, you're against the latest non-invasive hair transplant surgeries, you don't believe in future hair treatments like cloning, and you can't substantiate your so-called natural regime.
So please... by all means... go on.
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HanginInThere
07.05.2008, 22:56
@ epiker0
|
Getting on with life |
» Thanks for the comments. To address a couple of points that were raised, I
» plan to get a FUE transplant not strip because I've seen how awful that can
» be. Also my hairloss is gradual, its thinning like my father's so I expect
» to be a NW 6/7 in my 60's. If I was balding rapidly I wouldn't consider a
» transplant.
»
» The aim is to get most of my hair back (via the transplant) so I can enjoy
» it now while I'm still in the prime of my life. Once I'm older and have
» settled down with a decent woman it won't really matter if I go bald.
you completely missed the whole point
if you are headed to a NW7 And you go in now and thickly transplant the areas where you lost it and you look great, the more hair you use the worse it is
when you are in your 50s heading to the final stages you will not have enough hair to chase your balding, and you will have a thick crop of hair surrounded by a bald ring and you will not be able to fix it
you will have no donor hair left
then you will look like a freak
so you are saying since you will be in your 60s you wont mind it? think again
You would be a fool to get a transplant
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epiker0
07.05.2008, 22:47
@ cal
|
Getting on with life |
Thanks for the comments. To address a couple of points that were raised, I plan to get a FUE transplant not strip because I've seen how awful that can be. Also my hairloss is gradual, its thinning like my father's so I expect to be a NW 6/7 in my 60's. If I was balding rapidly I wouldn't consider a transplant.
The aim is to get most of my hair back (via the transplant) so I can enjoy it now while I'm still in the prime of my life. Once I'm older and have settled down with a decent woman it won't really matter if I go bald.
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cal
07.05.2008, 19:27
@ BostonBaldy
|
Getting on with life |
So much depends on the lifetime loss situation that a person is in for.
Transplants for anyone who could go NW#6 are a risky idea AT BEST. We all know that. Under 30yo + NW#6 in the family should usually equal being rejected as a HT candidate on the spot.
But a NW#3 in his mid-30s, recently divorced and trying to be single again, probably only ever going to N#4-4.5 in his whole life . . . a round of 3000 grafts might be the best thing he ever did for his looks.
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BostonBaldy
07.05.2008, 18:59
@ benji
|
Getting on with life |
Hey,
The best way to "get on with life" is to stop thinking about hair loss. A transplant will not necessarily stop you from thining about your hair loss. Of course not thinking about something is very difficult to do, which is why I still visit this site. I hope everyone is well.
Best,
BB
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benji
07.05.2008, 17:15
@ HanginInThere
|
Getting on with life |
» » Although I've rarely ever posted here, I've been lurking a lot and like
» » most of you, I've been hoping and waiting for that breakthrough that
» never
» » seems to come. I've actually been checking this site for a number of
» years
» » now.
» »
» » Seeing that no significant progress has been made in HM, I've decided
» to
» » go for an FUE hair transplant instead (probably later this year). I'm a
» NW
» » 3 to 4 so I think it'll work out well for me-having seen the great
» results
» » of people who's hairloss is worse than mine.
» »
» » Hair is a social handicap and the kind of thing you rarely think about
» » when you have it. When you don't its a blow to your confidence as we
» all
» » know and have experienced.
» »
» » I'm 35 now and don't want to miss out on what's left of my youth. I'd
» » suggest the same to others who are in a similar position as mine. I
» can't
» » wait another 2 to 5 or 10 years on false hope. If in that time a cure
» is
» » developed-excellent, I'll buy into it then, but I'm not going to hold
» my
» » breath. Life is short and not worth squandering on things that might
» not
» » come to pass.
»
» i used to think hair transplants were my ace in the hole, and i thought
» soon hey even if its 20,000 dollars, i can have a great head of hair and
» look normal again
»
» the more i investigated the hair transplant board the last three years the
» less enthusiasm i have about transplants
»
» I do know this, if you cannot get a handle on your hairloss and your hair
» is continuing to thin at a rapid pace, lets say towards a NW 6 or 7, I
» think you are wasting your money
»
» if you are in your twenties you are too young to see the progession and
» eventual state of your future loss also, personal opinion
»
» if you have stabilized your hair loss and you can say my hair has looked
» the same for 5 yrs or more i would say , you might think about a
» transplant
»
» are you thinking about strip.? if so have you seen some of the nasty
» horrible scars out there,
»
» have you considered future thinning? lets say you spend 30 or 40k on a
» nice transplant your hair looks fantastic, easy to do nowadays with the top
» surgeons out there. lets say you used up 7000 grafts.
»
» ok now 10 yrs later you thin way more dramatically and you have a bald rim
» around the transplanted hairline on top that looked so great before
»
» now you have pretty much tapped out your donor hair, 7k hairs, is getting
» to the upper limits, so what do you do now. ? if you just went bald
» naturally you would be ok shave your head whatever , Now you pretty much
» have no choice you HAVE to do something you have a freakish bald rim around
» a thick top and front hairline and you basically have no scalp donor hair
» left. so what now? body hair?
»
» see what I mean
»
» thats what would keep me from having a transplant. unknown future
» thinning
»
» better to look naturally bald than look like a freak with an island of
» hair that you cannot fix
»
» this is a real possibility that has happened to a lot of guys, especially
» ones who tap out their donor hair early in life
»
» but it is not talked about much
»
» there are tens of thousands of guys who wish they had never gotten a
» transplant
»
» its not something to be entered into lightly
Hangin' just nailed it as well as it can be done. Thats precisely the problem with transplants. Look at old bald guys in their sixties...............look at that donor area hard, now try to imagine spreading that sparse hair all over their heads. If you do a big strip, and thus have a big donor scar, a buzz is out of the question................if you FUE, you can at least still buzz and look like that you balded in a funny way (Zinedene Zidane) and just have a large bald spot in the back.
I would never transplant donor hair into the vertex bald spot, you really might need it for later up front...............the whole board is comprised of men who know this fundamental truth about the severe limit of transplantation.
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HanginInThere
07.05.2008, 16:56
@ epiker0
|
Getting on with life |
» Although I've rarely ever posted here, I've been lurking a lot and like
» most of you, I've been hoping and waiting for that breakthrough that never
» seems to come. I've actually been checking this site for a number of years
» now.
»
» Seeing that no significant progress has been made in HM, I've decided to
» go for an FUE hair transplant instead (probably later this year). I'm a NW
» 3 to 4 so I think it'll work out well for me-having seen the great results
» of people who's hairloss is worse than mine.
»
» Hair is a social handicap and the kind of thing you rarely think about
» when you have it. When you don't its a blow to your confidence as we all
» know and have experienced.
»
» I'm 35 now and don't want to miss out on what's left of my youth. I'd
» suggest the same to others who are in a similar position as mine. I can't
» wait another 2 to 5 or 10 years on false hope. If in that time a cure is
» developed-excellent, I'll buy into it then, but I'm not going to hold my
» breath. Life is short and not worth squandering on things that might not
» come to pass.
i used to think hair transplants were my ace in the hole, and i thought soon hey even if its 20,000 dollars, i can have a great head of hair and look normal again
the more i investigated the hair transplant board the last three years the less enthusiasm i have about transplants
I do know this, if you cannot get a handle on your hairloss and your hair is continuing to thin at a rapid pace, lets say towards a NW 6 or 7, I think you are wasting your money
if you are in your twenties you are too young to see the progession and eventual state of your future loss also, personal opinion
if you have stabilized your hair loss and you can say my hair has looked the same for 5 yrs or more i would say , you might think about a transplant
are you thinking about strip.? if so have you seen some of the nasty horrible scars out there,
have you considered future thinning? lets say you spend 30 or 40k on a nice transplant your hair looks fantastic, easy to do nowadays with the top surgeons out there. lets say you used up 7000 grafts.
ok now 10 yrs later you thin way more dramatically and you have a bald rim around the transplanted hairline on top that looked so great before
now you have pretty much tapped out your donor hair, 7k hairs, is getting to the upper limits, so what do you do now. ? if you just went bald naturally you would be ok shave your head whatever , Now you pretty much have no choice you HAVE to do something you have a freakish bald rim around a thick top and front hairline and you basically have no scalp donor hair left. so what now? body hair?
see what I mean
thats what would keep me from having a transplant. unknown future thinning
better to look naturally bald than look like a freak with an island of hair that you cannot fix
this is a real possibility that has happened to a lot of guys, especially ones who tap out their donor hair early in life
but it is not talked about much
there are tens of thousands of guys who wish they had never gotten a transplant
its not something to be entered into lightly
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