ipod
10.05.2008, 03:44 |
Hair multiplication using beard hair, doctors already doing it (Hair Multiplication & Research) |
This was old, just reposted by hairsite in the hair transplant forum. This is hair multiplication, literally! No wonder everybody in the hair transplant forum is talking about using beard hair lately, i think it has real potential for hair multiplication, best of all, no FDA approval needed and doctors are already doing it.
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"Auto-Cloning" of Beard Hair Used to Increase Supply of Donor Hair for Transplantation to Scalp
NEW YORK (October 16, 2003)- Beard whiskers, carefully removed, may offer an inexhaustible supply of hair for transplantation to the scalp. With proper removal technique, the continued growth of beard hair at the removal site is not compromised.
This "auto-cloning" of beard hairs may be particularly effective for balding men who have little scalp hair left for transplantation, and for persons whose scalps have been scarred by injury or burns, according to Gary Hitzig, MD, New York.
Dr. Hitzig, a physician hair restoration specialist in private practice, reported on the successful "auto-cloning" of beard hair today at the 11th Annual Meeting of the International Society of Hair Transplantation Surgery (ISHRS). The ISHRS is meeting October 15-19 at the Marriott Marquis Hotel, New York City.
The transplantation of beard whiskers to the scalp without compromising continued growth of the beard was undertaken by Dr. Hitzig following research reported by Dr. J.C.Kim, Pook University, Korea. Dr. Kim reported research showing that each human hair can theoretically be split into two, and produce two hairs from one. This requires enough "stem" cells be present in each portion to regenerate the full follicle.
Dr. Hitzig designed a study, enlisting five men, that was based on Dr. Kim's work. Using a specially designed "tweezing" tool, Dr. Hitzig removed beard hairs from the men by extracting enough of the follicle to produce a new one when implanted, but also leaving enough of the follicle to continue growing new beard hairs at the donor site. This suggested that beard hair would not only not be depleted, but could serve as a non-depleting source of hair for future transplantation. In men who experience hair loss over most of the scalp, so much hair may be lost that little or none is left for transplantation. The lack of donor scalp hair may limit the benefits that these men could realize from transplantation. A non-depleting supply of donor hair could a substantial benefit for these men.
Dr. Hitzig chose coarse hair from the chin or sideburns for transplantation in the reported study; the coarse hair demonstrated greater vitality than finer hair after it was transplanted to the scalp. Earlier studies had shown that less coarse hair had less vitality after transplantation; patients also experienced less discomfort from plucking of hair from the chin or sideburns.
The five men in the study shared the characteristics of age (40-57 years old), having had previous hair transplants, and lack of adequate donor scalp hair for future transplants as balding progressed.
Results of the study demonstrated the potential of bear hair transplantation to the scalp, Dr. Hitzig reported. With the use of coarser chin and sideburn hair, the "take" of beard hairs transplanted to the scalp was more than 80%. Post-transplant hair counts at six months showed increased density of approximately 25 hairs per 30 hairs transplanted. Examination of beards in the five men showed no change in pre-plucked density, suggesting that the follicles left intact had continued to produce new hairs.
The transplanted beard hairs retained their coarse "chin whisker" characteristics after transplantation into the scalp. The thickness of the transplanted beard hairs provided good coverage of the scalp at the transplant site, Dr. Hitzig said.
Expanding upon successful beard hair transplantation in the five men studied, Dr. Hitzig has completed a preliminary study in which several beard hairs were transplanted into scars created by previous harvesting of donor scalp hair. Results of this preliminary study have been encouraging enough to indicate the potential of beard hair transplantation into scarred scalp, Dr. Hitzig said.
Although "auto-cloning" was used to describe Dr. Hitzig's procedure, no actual cloning was involved. Dr. Hitzig's process is a transfer of hair and its genetic programming to a new site, where the hair continues to replicate the appearance it had at the donor site.
The "cloning" usually reported in hair restoration studies is in vitro (laboratory dish) replication of hair follicle cells-a technique that is more correctly called tissue engineering. Varying degrees of success have been reported in studies of in vitro replication. True cloning-transfer of genetic material into a cell to replicate a "mother" cell-has not been reported for purposes of hair restoration.
The ISHRS is the world's largest not-for-profit professional organization in the field of hair restoration surgery, with 512 physician members in 45 countries. The organization was founded in 1992 to promote the advancement of the specialty of hair restoration surgery through education, information-sharing, and observance of ethical standards.
[Hitzig GS. Auto-cloning using beard hair. Cosmetic Dermatology 2003; 16:63-69.]
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HanginInThere
10.05.2008, 11:31
@ ipod
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Cant believe you guys have ignored this post |
Here we have doctors successfully cloning hairs...........yes they are beard hairs but they are cloned into two hairs.............split into two hairs, whatever the terminology that is appropriate, but the end result is two growing hairs from one previous hair
and you guys, so eager to latch onto any tidbit of news of ICX And Follica.......both of whom are years away from bringing their technology to market...............ignore this remarkable achievement
This tells me that some of you are either blind to using different approaches. or you are not as sincere in your hope for HM as it might appear at first glance.'
either that or you guys have no beard hair ...............which i would find far fetched
or perhaps, it is because you do not like the fact that this would have to be combined with a hair transplant...........................However I think this being a proven working technology has a lot more potential than anything ICX or follica has out there at the current thime.
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AJ
10.05.2008, 12:15
@ HanginInThere
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Cant believe you guys have ignored this post |
It's an interesting article. But it is very old. If this were really a great solution, where is one person who has restored his hair using this method? That's why it has no appeal to me. There's no way I'd even consider transplanting beard hair, unless I could see for myself that it looked natural and truly provided unlimited donor hair.
I would also need to see the scarring that took place in the donor area. The last thing I need is scars on my face. I would prefer to take donor hair from an area that is more easily concealable, not from my face. Another reason this article has no interest for me.
Something like ICX holds more appeal, because they (in theory) only have to take donor area one time (not from the face), and the multiplication is done in a lab. Of course there isn't any reason to believe this works either (other than in theory). But I have much more interest in an ICX type solution than beard hair transplants. I read the words "beard hair transplant" and I just say, "Next!".
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HanginInThere
10.05.2008, 13:07
@ AJ
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Cant believe you guys have ignored this post |
» It's an interesting article. But it is very old. If this were really a
» great solution, where is one person who has restored his hair using this
» method? That's why it has no appeal to me. There's no way I'd even
» consider transplanting beard hair, unless I could see for myself that it
» looked natural and truly provided unlimited donor hair.
»
» I would also need to see the scarring that took place in the donor area.
» The last thing I need is scars on my face. I would prefer to take donor
» hair from an area that is more easily concealable, not from my face.
» Another reason this article has no interest for me.
»
» Something like ICX holds more appeal, because they (in theory) only have
» to take donor area one time (not from the face), and the multiplication is
» done in a lab. Of course there isn't any reason to believe this works
» either (other than in theory). But I have much more interest in an ICX
» type solution than beard hair transplants. I read the words "beard hair
» transplant" and I just say, "Next!".
i will dig up the beard scar after pics of Umars most recent patient,
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stitchmeup
10.05.2008, 13:59
@ HanginInThere
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Cant believe you guys have ignored this post |
Exactly, Arvind and Umar are doing a lot of beard hair transplants already, perhaps we are onto something, imagine the possiblity if they can keep splitting beard hairs.
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HanginInThere
10.05.2008, 14:33
@ stitchmeup
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wonder if scalp hair can be split |
» Exactly, Arvind and Umar are doing a lot of beard hair transplants already,
» perhaps we are onto something, imagine the possiblity if they can keep
» splitting beard hairs.
if splitting beard hairs works.....................and body hairs can be successfully transplanted into scalps, why would not scalp hair splitting work?
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TheOne
10.05.2008, 14:55
@ HanginInThere
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wonder if scalp hair can be split |
» » Exactly, Arvind and Umar are doing a lot of beard hair transplants
» already,
» » perhaps we are onto something, imagine the possiblity if they can keep
» » splitting beard hairs.
»
» if splitting beard hairs works.....................and body hairs can be
» successfully transplanted into scalps, why would not scalp hair splitting
» work?
IIRC it has been/being tried already.
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AJ
10.05.2008, 15:14
@ HanginInThere
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wonder if scalp hair can be split |
Gho and others claim they can do this already, and their work has been published. However, there is absolutely no physical proof that it works. Only claims. Just as with the beard transplant, where is even one person that has restored their hair with this technique.
For me, a procedure must be able to provide at least 25K-30K new hairs that will be permanent, to replace my lost hair, as well as for future thinning. That's the minimum. I don't know how many beard hairs you can get from one procedure, but even if it's 1000, that would mean 25-30 extractions from the same donor area. I just can't imagine that there wouldn't be any scarring on your face after that many procedures.
The same would go for using normal hairs too. But you would at least have more hairs in the donor area to extract, and it would easier to hide any scarring from the multiple extractions from the same donor area. But again, there is no proof that this actually works.
This is the main reason why I would prefer an ICX type solution. One time extraction of a few hundred hairs at most, and in essence an unlimited supply. And just like everything else out there, there's no proof that this works either. 
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Steve78
10.05.2008, 17:35
@ AJ
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10,000 beard hairs available |
» Gho and others claim they can do this already, and their work has been
» published. However, there is absolutely no physical proof that it works.
» Only claims. Just as with the beard transplant, where is even one person
» that has restored their hair with this technique.
»
» For me, a procedure must be able to provide at least 25K-30K new hairs
» that will be permanent, to replace my lost hair, as well as for future
» thinning. That's the minimum. I don't know how many beard hairs you can
» get from one procedure, but even if it's 1000, that would mean 25-30
» extractions from the same donor area. I just can't imagine that there
» wouldn't be any scarring on your face after that many procedures.
»
» The same would go for using normal hairs too. But you would at least have
» more hairs in the donor area to extract, and it would easier to hide any
» scarring from the multiple extractions from the same donor area. But
» again, there is no proof that this actually works.
»
» This is the main reason why I would prefer an ICX type solution. One time
» extraction of a few hundred hairs at most, and in essence an unlimited
» supply. And just like everything else out there, there's no proof that
» this works either.
This may surprise you but Dr. Umar says he can extract 10,000 or more beard hairs from the patient,
read this from a few days ago,
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-28160-page-0-category-2-order-last_answer.html
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cal
10.05.2008, 17:55
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10,000 beard hairs available |
This issue is like FUE work.
People argue all day about the limit of extractible FUE grafts as if it's a hard scientific thing. But the real limit is a judgement call about what is an "acceptable" amount of thinning in the donor area.
Probably same limit with beard hairs, I would guess.
Science might be able to get X-number of hairs from the beard in theory. But in practice, I suspect the scarring will probably limit the extent of the work that can be done in the area long before that.
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AJ
10.05.2008, 17:57
@ Steve78
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10,000 beard hairs available |
Those are crap after pictures. No way I would pay somebody to look like that. Again, if he can show me somebody who has a full, natural head of hair (not an illusion of full-like, but actually a full head of hair) using beard hair that supposedly can be harvested again, I'll reconsider.
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Amilcar
10.05.2008, 18:04
(edited by Amilcar, 10.05.2008, 18:10)
@ ipod
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SO old ! |
Getting 2 new follicles from one is old technique ....so old ! Its everything but our Messiah..and to be franc this has nothing to do with the HM board ! to talk about HM you need to have significant scale of multiplication not 2 out of 1 !!!
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Steve78
10.05.2008, 20:25
@ cal
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10,000 beard hairs available |
» This issue is like FUE work.
»
» People argue all day about the limit of extractible FUE grafts as if it's
» a hard scientific thing. But the real limit is a judgement call about what
» is an "acceptable" amount of thinning in the donor area.
»
» Probably same limit with beard hairs, I would guess.
»
» Science might be able to get X-number of hairs from the beard in theory.
» But in practice, I suspect the scarring will probably limit the extent of
» the work that can be done in the area long before that.
Believe me, I wasn't a big fan of Dr. Umar's beard hair transplant, that was until I read this cloning article.
The scarring is actually not an issue at all.
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Jtelecom
10.05.2008, 20:53
@ AJ
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10,000 beard hairs available |
No transplant is EVER EVER EVER going to give you or anyone else a "full" head of "natural" hair as you call it. Most realistic, logical people who undergo transplants are not under the impression that they are magically going to turn into Brad Pitt after the procedure. There is NO SUCH THING as a "natural, full head of hair" following a transplant. Depending on hair color, the head has approximately 120,000 hair follicles. That is a pretty thick beard, aint it? Transplants CAN give decent coverage as is evidenced by some of the patients on the Transplant Forum from doctors like Armani and Hasson & Wong, to name a few.
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ipod
10.05.2008, 21:00
@ Jtelecom
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10,000 beard hairs available |
» No transplant is EVER EVER EVER going to give you or anyone else a "full"
» head of "natural" hair as you call it. Most realistic, logical people who
» undergo transplants are not under the impression that they are magically
» going to turn into Brad Pitt after the procedure. There is NO SUCH THING as
» a "natural, full head of hair" following a transplant. Depending on hair
» color, the head has approximately 120,000 hair follicles. That is a pretty
» thick beard, aint it?
Yeah, who doesn't want our virgin head hair back but there is nothing right now that is remotely promising in giving us an unlimited supply of hair. If beard hair turns out to be a source for unlimited donor supply, this is a huge step forward. The HM guys should spend some time in the hair transplant forum, many doctors are doing beard hair transplant like clockwork already on their patients, we just need to convince some doctors to experiment with another donor extraction method to see if the beard grows back.
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HanginInThere
10.05.2008, 22:55
@ Amilcar
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SO old ! |
» Getting 2 new follicles from one is old technique ....so old ! Its
» everything but our Messiah..and to be franc this has nothing to do with the
» HM board ! to talk about HM you need to have significant scale of
» multiplication not 2 out of 1 !!!
at least 2 out of 1 works
significant multiplication is just a fantasy at this point
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Jtelecom
10.05.2008, 23:09
@ Amilcar
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SO old ! |
Please show me some examples of 2-for-1 transplants. How old are they, Amilcar?
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AJ
10.05.2008, 23:13
@ Jtelecom
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10,000 beard hairs available |
Ummmmm, the guy is claiming that they can harvest and reharvest beard hair. I wasn't talking about a normal tranplant. I was talking about somebody claiming to transplant supposedly 10,000 beard hairs, and then reharvest again. My point was that these are only claims, not reality. There is no proof of this. Show me a full head of hair, which should be possible with these claims. I agree that you cannot currently get a full, natural looking head of hair given current technology. That was my point.
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HanginInThere
10.05.2008, 23:40
@ AJ
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10,000 beard hairs available |
» Ummmmm, the guy is claiming that they can harvest and reharvest beard hair.
» I wasn't talking about a normal tranplant. I was talking about somebody
» claiming to transplant supposedly 10,000 beard hairs, and then reharvest
» again. My point was that these are only claims, not reality. There is no
» proof of this. Show me a full head of hair, which should be possible with
» these claims. I agree that you cannot currently get a full, natural
» looking head of hair given current technology. That was my point.
and where is the alternative? HM is a joke, and may never ever come to fruition, in any shape or form
you guys act like transplants are inferior to the almighty HM which will get a full head of hair, while transplants are only an illusion of a full head of hair
meanwhile the guys with a decent transplant, although the risks have to be considered, are at least getting an improvement, and the 2 for 1 splitting of the beard hairs has been proven
you act like..................show me a full head of hair that has been achieved with this.............as if to say, its crap since it cannot achieve this
if that is the standard you judge by, good luck finding anything in your lifetime that can meet your expectations. you will have a very long wait
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AJ
10.05.2008, 23:58
@ HanginInThere
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10,000 beard hairs available |
What I said was that the claims are not valid. They are just that. Claims only. Not reality. The article says "inexhaustible supply". If so, that implies a full head of hair. Show it to me. I say BS on the claims.
You may be right that it may be a long, long time to achieve a full head of hair. I have never disagreed with that.
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craig
11.05.2008, 04:31
@ AJ
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10,000 beard hairs available |
» What I said was that the claims are not valid. They are just that. Claims
» only. Not reality. The article says "inexhaustible supply". If so, that
» implies a full head of hair. Show it to me. I say BS on the claims.
»
» You may be right that it may be a long, long time to achieve a full head
» of hair. I have never disagreed with that.
The beard hair thing may be more viable and more realistic than Intercytex and Follica. At least we know there are doctors who are doing beard hair transplant already, so it would not be too far fetched to ask some of the doctors to experiment.
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debris
11.05.2008, 07:29
(edited by debris, 11.05.2008, 07:53)
@ ipod
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WTF? |
WTF Are you talking about? Why to clone beard hair when the same can be done with normal hair?
I tell you the reason why there is not a single gho patient.
1. Gho may have a good science, but he didnot show really wow artistic skills in terms of his results.
2. It will cost you a fortune. literaly. He charges 3900 euros ($6030) for 600 grafts. This explains the lack of wow results. The guys who can afford it are celebs who do not want anyone to know.
I think the price is high for two reasons. First the area in europe he does it is expensive one and many of his patients are from norway (the most expensive country on this planet). Second, he can't do much more than 600 a day as lack of precision would surely compromise the regrowth ratio.
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Amilcar
11.05.2008, 15:35
@ Jtelecom
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SO old ! |
» Please show me some examples of 2-for-1 transplants. How old are they,
» Amilcar?
To my knowledge they didt take it to the market , not at large scale for the least, but many scientists worked in that direction ..
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James Bond
11.05.2008, 15:53
(edited by James Bond, 11.05.2008, 16:06)
@ ipod
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Hair multiplication using beard hair, doctors already doing it |
The before/after photos are very unimpressive.
http://www.nyhairloss.com/procedures.htm
Dr. Gho was the first to attempt the 2 for 1 strategy using plucked hairs. He used scalp hair though and was unsuccessful. He cited the lack of results due to needing a certain amount of stromal tissue surrounding the plucked hair. Apparently plucked beard hair retains enough of the surrounding tissue to allow it to grow when implanted into the skin. I'm pretty sure this technique will have problems with consistency though.
We discussed this topic to death about 5 years ago and gave up on Hitzig when several patients came forward questioning his ethics.
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James Bond
11.05.2008, 16:12
(edited by James Bond, 11.05.2008, 16:45)
@ Steve78
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10,000 beard hairs available |
» Believe me, I wasn't a big fan of Dr. Umar's beard hair transplant, that
» was until I read this cloning article.
»
» The scarring is actually not an issue at all.
I'm pretty certain you guys are confused about Hitzig's technique (okay, I'm probably confused about that, I'm skimming  ). He doesn't extract the beard hair leaving a scar. He plucks the beard hair with tweezers and implants the plucked hair in the scalp. His claim is that 80% of the implanted hairs grow in the scalp, and 100% of the hairs that were plucked from the beard grow back. Gho tried this with scalp hair, and it didn't work. The plucked scalp hairs have plenty of stem cells to make it work (see Dr. Gho's study in the BJD), the problem is the hairs must have some surrounding tissue to interact with the stem cells on the plucked hair to make it work. Apparently beard hair has some of this tissue surrounding the bulb when the hair is plucked with tweezers.
Here is how to do the procedure:
1) pluck the most robust beard hair, and immediately soak the graft in a keratinocyte based culture medium.
2) Transplant the plucked hair into the scalp skin using a very small needle to make the hole.
3) Wait and observe. You will find that some of the implanted beard hairs will grow, and others will not grow.
Why does it work?
The hair does not actually grow. It works because the hair has follicle stem cells, ORS cells, and other important signaling cells clinging to the large white bulb (you have to use a robust bulb in anagen). The combination of cells actually cause a new follicle (in some cases multiple follicles) to form in the skin. The new follicle supports hair that is reminiscent of the beard hair it came from but has some scalp hair characteristics (less kinky and grows longer). This technique results in unlimited donor hair and is very noninvasive. The main drawback is that you end up with beard hair in your head (okay if your a fan of BHT), and the plucked hair does not always result in a new follicle, so you have to have numerous procedures to achieve good density.
This is a neogenesis technique and is actually quite similar to what Aderans is currently experimenting with using scalp hair.
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craig
11.05.2008, 16:17
@ James Bond
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Hair multiplication using beard hair, doctors already doing it |
» The before/after photos are very unimpressive.
»
» http://www.nyhairloss.com/procedures.htm
»
» Dr. Gho was the first to attempt the 2 for 1 strategy using plucked hairs.
» He used scalp hair though and was unsuccessful. He cited the lack of
» results due to needing a certain amount of stromal tissue surrounding the
» plucked hair. Apparently plucked beard hair retains enough of the
» surrounding tissue to allow it to grow when implanted into the skin. I'm
» pretty sure this technique will have problems with consistency though.
»
» We discussed this topic to death about 5 years ago and gave up on Hitzig
» when several patients came forward questioning his ethics.
There is a big difference, beard hair is thicker and more robust than regular scalp hair so maybe the stem cells pool from beard hair is more fertile, I think the success rate is going to be higher with beard hair.
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James Bond
11.05.2008, 16:40
@ craig
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Hair multiplication using beard hair, doctors already doing it |
» There is a big difference, beard hair is thicker and more robust than
» regular scalp hair so maybe the stem cells pool from beard hair is more
» fertile, I think the success rate is going to be higher with beard hair.
I believe what matters most is that other cell types are on the plucked beard hair that are not present on the plucked scalp hair. Stem cells don't grow new follicles. They work in concert with numerous other cells to grow new follicles. The most important thing in any HM protocol is "signaling environment." It is important to think in terms of cell combinations as opposed to just thinking in terms of finding a super single cell type that turns out to be the magic bullet of HM.
The capstone cell of HM is a stem cell, but it is one of many cells that must be present in order to create a signaling environment capable of consistently growing cosmetically acceptable hair. Most likely, the reason why beard hair works better than scalp hair is because other cells are attached to the plucked beard hair that signal the stem cells allowing them to make a new follicle.
There are problems with Hitzig's beard hair technique that prevent it from being offered for sale. However, culturing plucked beard hairs and implanting the cells into the scalp ala Gho could prove to be extremely interesting. It could even turn out to be the solution to inconsistency long searched for by Gho.
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bugler
11.05.2008, 16:49
@ James Bond
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10,000 beard hairs available |
I am lost heer.
It seems Dr Hitzig has cured baldness. Hasn't he?
You can harvest the beard hairs as many times as needed and at the end you can have in your head as many hair as needed.
What is the problem? Where are the happy patients? Why is not everybody talking about this procedure?
Thanks.
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HanginInThere
11.05.2008, 16:57
@ craig
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the big question is |
the big question nobody has asked is
can the beard hair halves that remain in place in the beard, regenerate a full hair.
if they can, can these full hairs that remain in place..............be spliced again after a certain period of time
if so this could be very productive long term
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mell
11.05.2008, 16:57
@ James Bond
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10,000 beard hairs available |
A plucked scalp hair dipped in Acell jell (or liquid) and implanted has a very good chance to grow if the plucked hair has stem cells clinging to the root.
There would be a unlimited donor supply.
Also the plucked hairs are smaller than a FUE graft so they can be placed closer together for more density.
We need a tool that can pluck a scalp hair with as much root and stem cells attached.
Acell hopes to have there plant for human use opened up this year.
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mell
11.05.2008, 17:10
@ James Bond
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Hair multiplication using beard hair, doctors already doing it |
A plucked hair dipped in Acell and implanted deep enough to get a blood supply could be the answer.
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TheOne
11.05.2008, 18:14
@ mell
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Hair multiplication using beard hair, doctors already doing it |
Dip a human hair in Acell, and grow a new human. 
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benji
12.05.2008, 15:00
@ James Bond
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Gary Hitzig's website, problematic |
» » There is a big difference, beard hair is thicker and more robust than
» » regular scalp hair so maybe the stem cells pool from beard hair is more
» » fertile, I think the success rate is going to be higher with beard
» hair.
»
» I believe what matters most is that other cell types are on the plucked
» beard hair that are not present on the plucked scalp hair. Stem cells don't
» grow new follicles. They work in concert with numerous other cells to grow
» new follicles. The most important thing in any HM protocol is "signaling
» environment." It is important to think in terms of cell combinations as
» opposed to just thinking in terms of finding a super single cell type that
» turns out to be the magic bullet of HM.
»
» The capstone cell of HM is a stem cell, but it is one of many cells that
» must be present in order to create a signaling environment capable of
» consistently growing cosmetically acceptable hair. Most likely, the reason
» why beard hair works better than scalp hair is because other cells are
» attached to the plucked beard hair that signal the stem cells allowing them
» to make a new follicle.
»
» There are problems with Hitzig's beard hair technique that prevent it from
» being offered for sale. However, culturing plucked beard hairs and
» implanting the cells into the scalp ala Gho could prove to be extremely
» interesting. It could even turn out to be the solution to inconsistency
» long searched for by Gho.
http://www.nyhairloss.com/procedures.htm
That page does not inspire much confidence. I will concur that plucked beard hairs regrow. I had some folliculitus in my shaving area in my early twenties and sometimes would pluck several of the large beard hair follicles up there in the infected affected area to relieve some of the tension, and there would be a bare area for a while on my chin, that would completely be filled in with beard follicles about six months later. Ive plucked the left side of my chin in small areas repeatedly and the beard hairs always came back. My derm finally gave me a medication to put up there that cleared it up. The internal anti-biotics she tried at first were not very helpful.
If Hitzig's idea worked, hell any guy could try it. He could make a vertical slit on his hairline, carefully tweeze out a beard hair, put it in the slit, and close it, maybe put a band aid atop it for a couple of days. It would shed in a week or two, and then grow back in a few months....
The problem is, Ive never seen ANY MAN come on these forums and say "hey look at my beard hair transplant from Dr. Hitzig" and how "I completely restored my bald spot with beard hair that looks astonishgly much more like head hair, etc.". Ive seen nothing and heard nothing.
BUT WHAT I HAVE HEARD are a couple of different men complaining about how they were dealt with via Hitzig. I remember reading about one guy who went to a consultation with Hitzig and came away thinking "slippery salesman" afterwards who opted to go with someone else.
Also, if this did indeed work, Dr. Umar in California, Dr. Cole in Georgia, Dr. Arvind Poswal in India, and Dr. Woods in Australia would have certainly have been using it by now. If a guy was willing to keep a buzz cut all his life, theoreticall speaking you could make a headfull of hair with beard hair that would actually "LIKE" testosterone. It would be wavy if grown out very long though....thus would have to be kept short to be cosmetically pleasing....
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benji
12.05.2008, 15:39
@ HanginInThere
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William Rassman on Gary Hitzig......................the skinny |
» the big question nobody has asked is
»
» can the beard hair halves that remain in place in the beard, regenerate a
» full hair.
»
» if they can, can these full hairs that remain in place..............be
» spliced again after a certain period of time
»
» if so this could be very productive long term
Cut and pasted from Balding-Blog..............rather insightful I think:
Auto-Cloning Technique for Facial Hair?
December 4 2007, 2:33 pm PT | Posted in: Hair Cloning + Hair Transplantation + Other Surgical Procedures
I have heard of a technique called auto-cloning performed by Dr. Gary Hitzig in New York, New York. He tweezes beard hair under the chin which leaves part of the root to regrow and part of the hairs root stays with the tweezed hair to grow in the transplanted area. I would be very interested in having this procedure performed to thicken my mustache both because of my limited donor hair and for having the thickness and texture of beard hair. Facial hair and body hair transplants are becoming increasingly common why is this technique not more popular as it solves many problems for people who have limited donor hair? Is there a problem with this technique?
My medical group had tried to repeat the work after we heard about it from the doctor who said that he invented the technique. We did it just as he said it was to be done, and as was expected, the results were essentially a complete failure to grow hair. As far as I am aware, nobody has proven this technique or published the method in a peer reviewed journal for confirmation, which says a great deal about credibility. If it worked, I am sure that the technique would be available everywhere, because it infers that you get two hairs for one (hair replication)… something that has not been done by any other.
I also look to the credibility of the ‘inventor’ and via Google, I turned up with the following links:
HairLossHelp.com - Forum Post “Worst Doctor”
HairBoutique.com - Doctors Sue In Attempt To Silence Truth For Consumers
Tags: auto-cloning, facial, hairloss, hair loss, gary hitzig, new york, hitzig, hairtransplant, hair transplant, replication, cloning, hair cloning
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benji
12.05.2008, 15:54
@ benji
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A little more on Hitzig from Eternal Hope..... |
"Don't believe the hype surrounding Hitzig's beard FM either. Here is an excerpt from a well known clinic.
"Dr. Gary Hitzig presented a patient that he had grafted with plucked beard hairs. He stated that the plucked hairs re-grow. I have seen one of his patients 6 months after surgery and nothing was growing. I had to remove the implanted hairs, which had not fallen out. They were beginning to form cysts around them since the non-growing hairs were acting like foreign bodies."
I have also cringed at photo documentation from a few of his SEVERELY scarred/disfigured patients. He performs hairtransplants and hairlifts, and told a certain performer that he only performs hairlifts on models/actors, not traditional transplants, as the hairlifts have superior results, therefore he recieved a hairlift. (if this procedure is supposedly better than traditional transplants, why would he do transplants at all??) This poor fellow had HUGE gaping holes/gaps all over and major necrosis, while his posterior donor area was halfway up his neck! His career/livlihood and social life was ruined! Wish I could find the aforementioned pics. Would make your skin crawl.
Makes me sick....... "
Me again.................I think this answers the questions about his "beard hair cloning" . It was a lie, period
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HanginInThere
12.05.2008, 16:32
@ benji
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A little more on Hitzig from Eternal Hope..... |
» "Don't believe the hype surrounding Hitzig's beard FM either. Here is an
» excerpt from a well known clinic.
»
» "Dr. Gary Hitzig presented a patient that he had grafted with plucked
» beard hairs. He stated that the plucked hairs re-grow. I have seen one of
» his patients 6 months after surgery and nothing was growing. I had to
» remove the implanted hairs, which had not fallen out. They were beginning
» to form cysts around them since the non-growing hairs were acting like
» foreign bodies."
»
» I have also cringed at photo documentation from a few of his SEVERELY
» scarred/disfigured patients. He performs hairtransplants and hairlifts, and
» told a certain performer that he only performs hairlifts on models/actors,
» not traditional transplants, as the hairlifts have superior results,
» therefore he recieved a hairlift. (if this procedure is supposedly better
» than traditional transplants, why would he do transplants at all??) This
» poor fellow had HUGE gaping holes/gaps all over and major necrosis, while
» his posterior donor area was halfway up his neck! His career/livlihood and
» social life was ruined! Wish I could find the aforementioned pics. Would
» make your skin crawl.
» Makes me sick....... "
»
»
»
the whole situation now that you pointed this out, sounds like amway or Bosley
totally...............................errr on the fringes of what you would want to spend ur time on
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