Dr. Woods
 
17.05.2008, 01:54 |
secrecy , hypocricy , and videotape (Hair Transplant) |
On the internet, Dr Feller stated that I kept a veil of secrecy over my technique.
In 1993, I approached Dr BOB LIMMER. He was the first to introduce the concept of FOLLICULAR UNITS being generated via strip, utilizing dissecting microscopes.
His information photos etc were not as impressive as other doctors, but his information was real and honest, whereas much of the others was pure marketing BS.
That is why I approached Dr LIMMER, IN 1993.
I disclosed everything I had. I hoped we could work together but it wasn't to be.
I made other genuine and documented atempts in the coming years to other doctors and institutions but found it would be easier trying to sell a WATER ENGINE to an OIL COMPANY.
More than a decade ago, I was on the verge of derailing an institutionalised cashcow for thousands of doctors in this business, many of whom were terrified that their lack of skill and ability would be exposed.
Unlike strip, FUE required prerequisite and innate microsurgical "instinct". It requires pre existing capability , which then requires years of determined effort to perfect
I even had death threats and was warned to back off. Strip was king, made lots of money for the boys club, and my interference was unwelcome.
And all of this was happening in the mid 1990s, probably while Dr Feller was trying to pass his DO EXAM . In fact, Dr Bernstein MD joined Dr Rassman MD in 1996 doing strip in NHI.
Thats how long ago it was.
I did what I had to do and when I realised the US training college would not eventuate, I gave as much information as any competent doctor would require in order to start their own venture.
It was neccessary to do it this way because, as most realise, the HT business is NOT mainstream .
It is the wild west of medicine. It is cut throat and ruthless, each doctor trying to gain a marketing advantage over a competitor.
Just read the posts of Feller.
And manipulating before and after photos is ridiculously easy.
Employing a cheer squad chanting over and over again that questionable and crap photos look great is now a standard practice. Mass hypnosis works
On a historical note, In 1989 Dr Limmer only accepted strip. But he also only accepted an honest and credible approach utilizing microscopes and follicular units, in the face of what was a dark and shamefull time in the history of HT
Even though it was strip, his committment to a microsurgical approach must be regarded as a landmark.
Dr Ray Woods
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tel baker
17.05.2008, 07:18
@ Dr. Woods
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secrecy , hypocricy , and videotape |
Thanks for posting Dr Woods. I've followed your work for a number of years and am always very impressed by what I see.
However, Dr Feller has possibly ruled me out of having FUE with you through his recent post (and I'm sure a proportion of all the readers would now stay away from FUE)
He has basically said that:
1)FUE has an inferior yield to strip.
2)Not all people are candidates for FUE due to physiology (and he says that we should run from a clinic who says otherwise)
3)He has claimed to videotape his procedure and says no-one has offered to do the same so that the results/claims of surgeons can be compared.
4)My main question is why would Dr Feller lie? (He also produces top quality results and does FUE and strip)
So Dr Woods - I would be grateful if you could enlighten me on the four questions. I know for a fact I would choose you or Dr Cole if I had FUE.
So to hear your views may help to re-assure me that FUE is a good and universal procedure.
PS - It would also be good if other FUE surgeons/reps could post in this thread. Dr Feller has posted his negative case for FUE so it would be good to hear the other side of the argument.
have a good day - Tel
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Dr. Arvind
17.05.2008, 09:49
(edited by Dr. Arvind, 17.05.2008, 10:28)
@ tel baker
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tel baker |
Dear tel baker,
I would side Dr. Woods on all the four questions you have posted.
Not all fue is the same.
There will be doctors who -
1. Do not have the correct techniques,
2. Do not have the correct instrumentation,
3. Do not have the requisite training,
3. Do not have the requisite experience,
4. Do not have the requisite commitment,
to perform fue.
They will blame fue - not their own inadequacies - for the lack of results in their hands. Yesterday, I met a patient who had, ?fue technique performed on him. I was horrified at what was inflicted in name of fue.
Do not lay too much importance on utterances of doctors like Feller etc.
If in any doubt, go for a smaller test session or meet former patients.
And, urge any doctors that feel fue is not for everyone to visit the result compilation at
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-transplantation.htm
Regards,
Dr. A
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ipod
17.05.2008, 14:09
@ tel baker
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secrecy , hypocricy , and videotape |
» 4)My main question is why would Dr Feller lie? (He also produces top
» quality results and does FUE and strip)
why would Dr. Feller lie? Good question, why would any doctor lie?
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HanginInThere
17.05.2008, 14:25
@ ipod
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secrecy , hypocricy , and videotape |
» » 4)My main question is why would Dr Feller lie? (He also produces top
» » quality results and does FUE and strip)
»
» why would Dr. Feller lie? Good question, why would any doctor lie?
easy, FUE is his competition, if he cannot perform it well then FUE docs take money out of his pocket because he cannot offer this service and prefers to stick to strip, thus he comes out and trashes FUE ie the competition, saying it is inferior
next question
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Wylie
17.05.2008, 14:52
@ HanginInThere
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» » » 4)My main question is why would Dr Feller lie? (He also produces top
» » » quality results and does FUE and strip)
» »
» » why would Dr. Feller lie? Good question, why would any doctor lie?
»
» easy, FUE is his competition, if he cannot perform it well then FUE docs
» take money out of his pocket because he cannot offer this service and
» prefers to stick to strip, thus he comes out and trashes FUE ie the
» competition, saying it is inferior
»
» next question
Yea, thats why ALL doctors who only do strip will/can heap skepticism on others practicing FUE, and furthermore, its much more about doctor skill to achieve consistently good results. And Dr. Woods is perhaps one of the true pioneers and/or world leaders in this field. It is always good to hear from him, but unfortunately some pictures of his patients and/or their results is missing from his post, and all we got was a rant.
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bigmac
17.05.2008, 15:47
@ Wylie
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secrecy , hypocricy , and videotape |
I see far more fue doctors/clinics who try to discredit strip than strip doctors who try and discredit fue.
Both produce great results when done by a good doctor and both have a place in the HT industry.
Instead of slating each other let your posted results do the talking and patients who post their results speaks volumes.
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mwinston
17.05.2008, 16:16
@ bigmac
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secrecy , hypocricy , and videotape |
» I see far more fue doctors/clinics who try to discredit strip than strip
» doctors who try and discredit fue.
» Both produce great results when done by a good doctor and both have a
» place in the HT industry.
» Instead of slating each other let your posted results do the talking and
» patients who post their results speaks volumes.
What is discussed during actual consultations is a little different than what is said on public forum. Is it advantageous for a 29 year old NW 2-3 to have a strip or FUE? We could debate the better procedure all day long but the results in the donor area is what will matter many many years down the road. I stand by FUE because it is less invasive in the end. Major strip clinics will never approve of it because it is much more work for them. I belive that it is selfish and isn't looking out for the best interest of most patients who are young. Each doctor should raid this thread and discuss after effects of each. HT has come along way but there are still clinics performing balloon procedure and plugs even today. This is one man's opinion
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HMorHT
17.05.2008, 17:14
@ bigmac
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secrecy , hypocricy , and videotape |
» I see far more fue doctors/clinics who try to discredit strip than strip
» doctors who try and discredit fue.
» Both produce great results when done by a good doctor and both have a
» place in the HT industry.
» Instead of slating each other let your posted results do the talking and
» patients who post their results speaks volumes.
I agree, there are far more fue docs discrediting strip than strip docs discrediting fue. This site is like a graveyard for strip recently, I see CIT and other docs post daily talking about bad strip scars, I am not arguing about that, after seeing some of the pics I know I don't want a strip scar, the one problem is that strip results by far are superior to fue, Feller may have a point when he said yield is poorer for fue.
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mwinston
17.05.2008, 19:43
@ HMorHT
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secrecy , hypocricy , and videotape |
» » I see far more fue doctors/clinics who try to discredit strip than strip
» » doctors who try and discredit fue.
» » Both produce great results when done by a good doctor and both have a
» » place in the HT industry.
» » Instead of slating each other let your posted results do the talking
» and
» » patients who post their results speaks volumes.
»
» I agree, there are far more fue docs discrediting strip than strip docs
» discrediting fue. This site is like a graveyard for strip recently, I see
» CIT and other docs post daily talking about bad strip scars, I am not
» arguing about that, after seeing some of the pics I know I don't want a
» strip scar, the one problem is that strip results by far are superior to
» fue, Feller may have a point when he said yield is poorer for fue.
strip today is similar to scalp reduction, fue is like plugs. It is surgery regardless but the appearance of the donor is most important.
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johnp
17.05.2008, 21:08
@ tel baker
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secrecy , hypocricy , and videotape |
» Thanks for posting Dr Woods. I've followed your work for a number of years
» and am always very impressed by what I see.
»
» However, Dr Feller has possibly ruled me out of having FUE with you
» through his recent post (and I'm sure a proportion of all the readers would
» now stay away from FUE)
Really? You have followed Dr. Woods for a number of years and all it takes is one post from Dr Feller to send you running for cover?
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marco
U.K,
17.05.2008, 21:16
@ Dr. Arvind
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tel baker |
» Dear tel baker,
» I would side Dr. Woods on all the four questions you have posted.
»
»
» Not all fue is the same.
» There will be doctors who -
» 1. Do not have the correct techniques,
» 2. Do not have the correct instrumentation,
» 3. Do not have the requisite training,
» 3. Do not have the requisite experience,
» 4. Do not have the requisite commitment,
» to perform fue.
»
» They will blame fue - not their own inadequacies - for the lack of results
» in their hands. Yesterday, I met a patient who had, ?fue technique
» performed on him. I was horrified at what was inflicted in name of fue.
»
» Do not lay too much importance on utterances of doctors like Feller etc.
» If in any doubt, go for a smaller test session or meet former patients.
»
» And, urge any doctors that feel fue is not for everyone to visit the
» result compilation at
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-transplantation.htm
»
» Regards,
» Dr. A
This is all very well but here are some contradictions that are common to all FUE practitioners.
1: We are told that density change is unnoticeable until 50% density is lost. How can this stack with the philosophy by all FUE docs that only 28%-30% of the donor can be removed.
2: We are told that in the best hands the donor angulation surrounding FUE is not changed but all docs admit that scar retraction can change angulation.
3: The residual donor follicles proximal to the extracted FUs are maybe 100 times as many compared with strip since every removed FU in FUE leaves local donor follicles. The risk to these even in the best hands must be pertinent devils halo or not and also regardless of direct transection.
These questions have never been adequately answered and the the idea that there are few 5000+ FUE results simple because the procedure is new is no longer a viable excuse.
I think we deserve some believable answers at this juncture from those who still maintain that FUE can fully replace strip. If it cannot then the correct context for FUE needs to be explained but the FUE only or proponent clinics.
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Franklin
17.05.2008, 21:38
@ marco
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Marco |
When you say all Fue doctors. I am curious if you can post the exact quotes Comming from these docs. Thanks.
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readyfreddy
17.05.2008, 21:42
@ marco
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tel baker |
» » Dear tel baker,
» » I would side Dr. Woods on all the four questions you have posted.
» »
» »
» » Not all fue is the same.
» » There will be doctors who -
» » 1. Do not have the correct techniques,
» » 2. Do not have the correct instrumentation,
» » 3. Do not have the requisite training,
» » 3. Do not have the requisite experience,
» » 4. Do not have the requisite commitment,
» » to perform fue.
» »
» » They will blame fue - not their own inadequacies - for the lack of
» results
» » in their hands. Yesterday, I met a patient who had, ?fue technique
» » performed on him. I was horrified at what was inflicted in name of fue.
»
» »
» » Do not lay too much importance on utterances of doctors like Feller
» etc.
» » If in any doubt, go for a smaller test session or meet former patients.
» »
» » And, urge any doctors that feel fue is not for everyone to visit the
» » result compilation at
» » http://www.hairsite.com/hair-transplantation.htm
» »
» » Regards,
» » Dr. A
»
»
» This is all very well but here are some contradictions that are common to
» all FUE practitioners.
»
» 1: We are told that density change is unnoticeable until 50% density is
» lost. How can this stack with the philosophy by all FUE docs that only
» 28%-30% of the donor can be removed.
»
» 2: We are told that in the best hands the donor angulation surrounding FUE
» is not changed but all docs admit that scar retraction can change
» angulation.
»
» 3: The residual donor follicles proximal to the extracted FUs are maybe
» 100 times as many compared with strip since every removed FU in FUE leaves
» local donor follicles. The risk to these even in the best hands must be
» pertinent devils halo or not and also regardless of direct transection.
»
» These questions have never been adequately answered and the the idea that
» there are few 5000+ FUE results simple because the procedure is new is no
» longer a viable excuse.
»
» I think we deserve some believable answers at this juncture from those who
» still maintain that FUE can fully replace strip. If it cannot then the
» correct context for FUE needs to be explained but the FUE only or proponent
» clinics.
Why are we still debating what percentage can be removed from the donor using fue? This was posted by PeterMac and it says it all, it is impossible to remove 50% without thinning the donor beyond recognition.
![[image]](http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/img/uploaded/240_image2.gif)
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Dr. Feller
Great Neck, NY,
17.05.2008, 22:50
(edited by Dr. Feller, 17.05.2008, 22:58)
@ Dr. Woods
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secrecy , hypocricy , and videotape |
Dr. Woods,
Obviously you are compelled to follow my work. That is wise as you may learn something about high quality strip surgery, or FUE sessions that can end in less than 12 hours .
I would like you, Dr. Ray Woods, to clarify a few points:
You wrote:
"And manipulating before and after photos is ridiculously easy."
Were you implying that I manipulate before/after photos? If so would you state that clearly in writing so that your meaning is well understood?
You wrote:
"Employing a cheer squad..."
Were you implying that I employ people to deceive the public? If so, please submit that directly in writing as well.
I won't bother holding you to the "mass hypnosis" charge.
You wrote:
“More than a decade ago, I was on the verge of derailing an institutionalised cashcow for thousands of doctors in this business, many of whom were terrified that their lack of skill and ability would be exposed.”
Would you please list the “many” doctors in the business you were referring to. I would also like to know how you came by this information. Did you do a telephone poll or did you stand outside a yearly meeting of the ISHRS and ask doctors as they exited “ are you afraid of me? Is my interference unwelcome?” Or did you perhaps make the whole thing up to inflate your own sense of self importance?
As you can see, despite your claims that the industry felt threatened by you, the HT field has grown exponentially in both Strip and FUE, all without your contribution.
An entire FUE branch of the industry has been created and has been growing steadily since 2001 without you. In fact, based on internet photos and write ups, you have been surpassed on several fronts.
I gave you the benefit of the doubt some years ago and attended a conference held by your sister (whom I do respect and admire) and your lawyer. When your lawyer outright LIED about you having patents on your technology your credibility went into the toilet. How dare you try and sell intellectual property for hundreds of thousands of dollars that you knew you couldn’t protect or claim exclusivity on. When I busted your lawyer and made him aware that I had performed a patent search and knew for a fact there were no patents or applications, he backpedaled and claimed “The patents will issue when we want them to”. If he could do that, he’d be a multi-billionaire.
Regardless of the ad homonym attacks you regularly resort to, the facts are the facts.
1. You are not transparent.
2. You unnecessarily veil what you actually do in secrecy. That’s fine. That’s legal. But you have no right to claim that your techniques are superior to EVERY other doctor as a group (strip or FUE) when you refuse to allow your own methods to be evaluated by your peers or the public.
3. Your results are no more impressive than that of other FUE doctors.
4. FUE results, graft for graft, do not compare to strip surgery. No FUE doc has proved otherwise.
5. You publicly vilify every HT doctor as scoundrels, criminals, incompetents, and even potential murderers. But when you are held to account for your outlandish pubic claims you throw a hissy fit and have a temper tantrum right here on the internet.
6. The results from FUE cases are consistently poorer in volume and density when compared to an equal number of strip grafts. Your ridiculous innuendo of photo manipulation not withstanding. Again, if this is a charge you are making toward me in particular I ask you to clarify it in writing.
7. There are so few successful BHT results that it’s offering as a clinical procedure should only be prefaced by the fact that it is experimental and has so far demonstrated consistently poor results.
8. The amount of trauma an FUE graft must endure far exceeds that of a strip graft and is the probable reason for consistently lower yields in any hands. Until you can prove, through disclosure, that your FUE grafts endure fewer traumatic forces, you have no right to claim superiority of your technique over that of others who have not only re-invented FUE, but improved upon it and disclosed same.
9. You are still under the impression that your procedure is a “threat” to the HT world. Guess what, nobody cares what you do anymore. In case you haven’t noticed, the field of strip and FUE HT has exploded WITHOUT you. In my own particular case I would be taking a step backwards using your techniques because my 500 graft FUE procedures don’t take all day and half the night. Grafts should be placed back into the body as quickly as possible to ensure maximum yield. You of all people should know that.
10. You have not accepted my open challenge to all FUE doctors who claim that their techniques are superior to mine which is to simply videotape their techniques in action and allow our peers and the public to compare. By you not accepting this challenge I can only assume that you believe my techniques, and those of a few other FUE doctors, are equal or superior to your own.
I’ll give you this in all fairness. While you refused to disclose your methods, you were the first to popularize FUE. In doing so you showed it could be done. In the field of innovation that’s 50% of the battle. I applaud you for this. Knowing something CAN be done makes learning how to do it that much easier. Your sister gave me the other part of the FUE riddle which was to start with many small cases. How right she was. I followed her words to the letter and developed those microsurgical skills you often discuss.
You were a champion in doing what you did. But for the life of me, after receiving the recognition you deserved, I can’t understand why you shunned and vilified the rest of the HT world and cloistered yourself away. Did you honestly think we were all going to put down our scalpels and go sulk? Didn't you think that even a few of us were up to the challenge of inventing our own FUE tools and techniques?
Perhaps you’d be doing 3,000 FUE grafts in less than 10 hours by now had you been able to work better with others. It makes no sense and it is a shame.
As for YOU Dr. Arvind, you shamelessly lifted a before/after patient photo right off of Dr. Rassman’s site and presented it as your own when you debuted on the internet. That makes you a thief, and a stupid one at that. I saw this fraud for myself, and why any patient would trust you after just that one incident alone is beyond my comprehension.
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Franklin
17.05.2008, 23:55
(edited by Franklin, 18.05.2008, 00:13)
@ Dr. Feller
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secrecy , hypocricy , and videotape |
4. FUE results, graft for graft, do not compare to strip surgery. No FUE doc has proved otherwise." I will answer this for the time being. First off. Your quote is wrong graft for graft strip yields better?, What you leave out is then who is doing the surgery?. (You have said this to me in the past )My doc was bad so therefore I had a bad result .I will agree. But this can be very confusing statements to the newbies. Don't you agree? I have had as you know 3 strip surgery's. First 200 grafts. then 300 grafts and then another 300 grafts. Guess what? POOR YIELD! Then I went with Fue(skilled doc) And I had great yield. In fact I would match it against any strip doc in the field my results. Difference is I did not have to go through another strip. To meet my goals.
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craig
18.05.2008, 00:00
@ Dr. Feller
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video |
"3)He has claimed to videotape his procedure and says no-one has offered to do the same so that the results/claims of surgeons can be compared."
Dr.Feller,
Can you post this video that telbaker talked about his post?
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Franklin
18.05.2008, 00:29
@ Dr. Feller
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secrecy , hypocricy , and videotape |
"6. The results from FUE cases are consistently poorer in volume and density when compared to an equal number of strip grafts. Your ridiculous innuendo of photo manipulation not withstanding. Again, if this is a charge you are making toward me in particular I ask you to clarify it in writing." Again I will say it is the doctor performing the surgery. To your first point. Second. I think in general he is talking about photos on the internet. But I will wait For Dr. Woods to clarify if he is speaking about you in particular before We all make a judgement on this statement.
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sux2bme
18.05.2008, 04:31
(edited by sux2bme, 18.05.2008, 05:42)
@ Dr. Feller
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oh Dr Feller.... |
For your sake Dr Feller, it's probably a good thing that Dr Woods doesnt demonstrate exactly what he is doing. You already show poor sportsmanship, as is, just dealing with even the idea of defeat. Id hate to see how you would react if you actually got your nose rubbed in it too...
Do you really think you are going to get any takers for all your rhetorical challenges? Why would they be interested in a pissing contest? Hair transplantation is an elective surgery, not cancer research. It's a business and a competetive one. Does KFC shares it's recipe with competitors? It's pretty obvious, no one cares what YOU are doing, no one cares about your patents either. Results are what matter. Not everyone needs to feed their own ego like you...Just keep doing your high quality strip since that's what you believe in. It's a lot easier than FUE, you're home at decent hour and you can sleep at night knowing your patients results are not compromised. Leave FUE for the doctors who are willing to give it the full time dedication it demands.
And you never did comment on Franklins(aka Jaguars) results which you asked for, and he was nice enough to take new pics for you. So what did you think? Graft for graft, as you say, are willing to go on record and say he would have had better results had he done strip? If so please show us something compareable(1100 grafts) that you have done via strip to demonstrate to me and others how much more "volume and density" it could have had in your hands. If you can do that I will eat my words and offer you a public apology....
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bverotti
Belgium,
18.05.2008, 06:03
@ tel baker
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Threats |
I have personally also received 2 threats to back of about information regarding FUE megasessions.
Now I read that others have received similar threats, I feel more and more confirmed that there is something like a 'strip lobby' which feels it needs to protect its 'boys club' members.
FUE is not FUE :
dr. Feller uses his own protocol and his own instruments.
Therefore his FUE comments should be seen as his experience, in his hands, and using his instruments. Furthermore I believe that drs like dr. Woods, dr. llter, dr. De REys, who perform FUE EVERY DAY have far more experience by now then drs who perform strip surgery in combination with FUE.
Next week there will be live FUE surgery by dr. Ilter at the annual ESHRS. All docs that would like to see how the Ilter protocol works can have a look. They will that all statements used to discredit certain aspects of FUE will fade to dust.
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HMorHT
18.05.2008, 12:16
(edited by HMorHT, 18.05.2008, 12:48)
@ Dr. Feller
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secrecy , hypocricy , and videotape |
Dr Feller will you please post your videotape?
btw, Dr. Arvind, is what Dr. Feller said about the pictures true?
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reiner
18.05.2008, 13:18
@ bverotti
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Threats |
» I have personally also received 2 threats to back of about information
» regarding FUE megasessions.
» Now I read that others have received similar threats, I feel more and more
» confirmed that there is something like a 'strip lobby' which feels it needs
» to protect its 'boys club' members.
It just doesn't get more entertaining than this. Can you tell more about these threats? Sorry for sounding skeptical but I find it hard to believe that both you and Dr. Woods are getting threats because you want to do fue procedures. Who are these people threatening you and what did they say?
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HanginInThere
18.05.2008, 13:24
@ reiner
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Threats |
» » I have personally also received 2 threats to back of about information
» » regarding FUE megasessions.
» » Now I read that others have received similar threats, I feel more and
» more
» » confirmed that there is something like a 'strip lobby' which feels it
» needs
» » to protect its 'boys club' members.
»
»
» It just doesn't get more entertaining than this. Can you tell more about
» these threats? Sorry for sounding skeptical but I find it hard to believe
» that both you and Dr. Woods are getting threats because you want to do fue
» procedures. Who are these people threatening you and what did they say?
yes me too i am very nosy and would enjoy reading the details of these threats
the plot thickens
man these docs are so dramatic and catty to each other arent they
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Dr. Feller
Great Neck, NY,
18.05.2008, 13:30
@ reiner
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Threats |
All HT docs who have stepped up to the challenge of FUE are to be commended for their contribution. However, the hype and distortions used by some of these practitioners has to stop. And this is the only reason I speak out on these forums. No one doc or clinic is the “best” FUE doc. No one has “the ultimate” technique. The truth is, ALL FUE is essential the same no matter what label is slapped on it. The problem comes in when some claim superiority of their brand WITHOUT demonstrating better results and without elucidating the differences. The nonsense about withholding disclosure to protect “industry secretes” is hogwash. If you have something you think is great you file a patent on it and then exploit it for all it’s worth. I already have 3 FUE patents and several more coming. I’ve never worried about disclosing secrets or losing business, why should anyone else?
Franklin- You are right. I should have mentioned that the comparisons between strip and FUE results should only be made between the top docs of both fields. You clearly had an awful strip doctor to which a I can personally attest when I met you a few years ago. He was never a good HT doc and I have since fixed much of his work. Your results from FUE are A-1 and demonstrates the benefits of this relatively new procedure and industry, but had you first gone to a top notch strip doctor you would have had the same results without traveling and for far less money.
Craig- The reference to videotape was more important 6 years ago when all FUE practitioners made such a big deal over “secrecy”, “proprietary tools”, and supposed “intellectual property”. You’d think these doctors were working on the Manhattan Project by the way they marketed themselves. And that’s all their secrecy was about, marketing and hype. To smash that milieu I allowed Shawn to videotape my procedure from start to finish and post it online.
I don’t think they ever bothered editing it and posting it, but the point was that I made FUE transparent in order to demystify it. No other FUE docs would allow that. They always had the doors closed, shades pulled, and lights dim. No cameras allowed. I opened all the doors and shone the light brightly. I posted photos, video, and wrote profusely on the internet. I even had my own section published in the authorative text of Hair Transplant Surgery.
The result, as predicted, was that many new FUE doctors sprang up calling me for advice and information about FUE on a regular basis. These early doctors included Dr. Walter Unger, Dr. Jones, Dr. Wolfe, Dr. Armani, Dr. Alexander, Dr. Gabel, and several others whose names I can’t remember.
Here’s a video of how FUE is performed that I made in 2002 to demystify it. It was a “crude” FUE, and not the way I do it today, but it took a lot of the hot air out of the sails of those who would present FUE as some sort of black magic.
http://www.fellermedical.com/Videos.htm
The reason I demonstrated FUE to other doctors and the public was obviously NOT to keep the business to myself. Quite the opposite. It was and is Dr. Woods, and not I, who worries about competitors. I share my information freely with the public and peers, he jealously guards it.
I knew that if FUE were to grow in popularity and gain credibility we would need many more doctors performing it. And it worked, because that’s exactly what happened. I enjoy a healthy FUE practice, and have done so since 2002.
Dr. Woods philosophy of jealously withholding FUE, however, had the opposite effect. As he himself regularly mentions, he was performing FUE more than 10 years before the rest of us, yet almost no one ever heard of him or his techniques because he wanted to protect his business and income stream from competitors. I personally have no problem with this, but back then FUE had virtually no credibility and no popularity and still would not if not for the internet and Dr. Woods desire to use it to market himself.
The bottom line is that those who truly seek to serve the industry, the public, and their own self- interest best do so through TRANSPARENCY. Those who are out SOLELY for themselves clamp down veils of secrecy.
SUX- This is not a game and sportsmanship has nothing to do with it. I’ve already demonstrated that my results are every bit as good as ANY other FUE doc and that’s a fact. Again, if you absolutely must make personal comments about me you know my real name and where I work and may do so to my face. How about you give me your name and address so you can be held accountable for your words. Don’t say anything on the web that you wouldn’t say in person. This is not your debate and you should just keep your hands off the keyboard and read. Maybe you’ll learn something. I have laid out some important points and now it is time for FUE docs to respond, not you.
Bverotti- Your post stuns me the most. Didn’t you write on the internet yourself that you have almost no photos that demonstrate equal growth between your FUE results and that of strip results? You’ve been in business for 6 years and you have virtually no photos that rival those of strip surgery. Shouldn’t you of all people have at least 50 such results by now? Until you do, I can’t imagine how you typed out your most recent post.
Your comment about “experience” is distorted. If the practitioner performs the same surgery over and over again, it doesn’t mean they are becoming “experienced” it just means they are becoming repetitive. Experience comes when NEW things are tried and practiced. Not the same old thing over and over again. I do, however, applaud Dr. Iter’s transparency in disclosing what he does for peers and the public. That’s how it should be done. And if improvement in the field is to come, it will come from Docs like him who are willing to put their feet to the fire. Please video his surgery and post it on here for all to see.
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Feller Medical, PC
Great Neck, NY
http://www.fellermedical.com |
hairback
18.05.2008, 13:34
@ HanginInThere
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Threats |
» » » I have personally also received 2 threats to back of about information
» » » regarding FUE megasessions.
» » » Now I read that others have received similar threats, I feel more and
» » more
» » » confirmed that there is something like a 'strip lobby' which feels it
» » needs
» » » to protect its 'boys club' members.
» »
» »
» » It just doesn't get more entertaining than this. Can you tell more
» about
» » these threats? Sorry for sounding skeptical but I find it hard to
» believe
» » that both you and Dr. Woods are getting threats because you want to do
» fue
» » procedures. Who are these people threatening you and what did they say?
»
» yes me too i am very nosy and would enjoy reading the details of these
» threats
»
» the plot thickens
»
» man these docs are so dramatic and catty to each other arent they
These doctors should be embarrassed for the posts they made in the thread, none behaves like a doctor, it's a dirty business, I hope their days are numbered and they will all be out of business when hair multiplication comes.
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bverotti
Belgium,
18.05.2008, 14:08
@ Dr. Feller
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Threats |
Dr. Feller,
We have started out in 2004, about 4 years ago. Unlike some others in the industry we have not jumped for record sessions. Our docs worked slowly but surely, identifying all the pitffals and gathering experience. For every problem a solution was found.
Our goal was to be able to offer FUE megassesions since the beginning.
As you know that does not come easy nor quickly. It took us years to get the routines perfected, staff trained, achieved a library of experience.
My FUE experience with dr. Jones was excellent. I had MORE yield than with my previous strip surgery. This is something I often hear from our own patients nowadays. Did they all go to bad strip docs ?
I would prefer our patients would cheer lead us here and on other boards, but I guess Europeans have different mentality ... or we have bad luck that we dont get those patients that would glorify their doc.
We have no problem with our results. If you only offer 1 service, in our case FUE hair transplant, it would not take long before we would go out of bussines if our work was bad.
Let me say that every strip doc on this planet has his corps hidden in the closet, including all docs on this forum and all other.
I can not think of 1 good reason any doc can moraly prefer the strip method, I really can't knowing what FUE can do in the hands of experience surgeons.
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Consultant for Prohairclinic Belgium http://www.prohairclinic.com/default.asp?language=en
FUE only institute since 2004
Specialized in FUE megasessions |
johnp
18.05.2008, 14:20
@ Dr. Feller
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Threats |
» Bverotti- Your post stuns me the most. Didn’t you write on HTN yourself
» that you have almost no photos that demonstrate equal growth between your
» FUE results and that of strip results? You’ve been in business for 6 years
» and you have virtually no photos that rival those of strip surgery.
» Shouldn’t you of all people have at least 50 such results by now? Until you
» do, I can’t imagine how you typed out your most recent post.
»
» Your comment about “experience” is distorted. If the practitioner performs
» the same surgery over and over again, it doesn’t mean they are becoming
» “experienced” it just means they are becoming repetitive. Experience comes
» when NEW things are tried and practiced. Not the same old thing over and
» over again. I do, however, applaud Dr. Iter’s transparency in disclosing
» what he does for peers and the public. That’s how it should be done. And if
» improvement in the field is to come, it will come from Docs like him who
» are willing to put their feet to the fire. Please video his surgery and
» post it on here for all to see.
Bverotti had posted his video before,
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-26170.html
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marco
U.K,
18.05.2008, 14:50
@ bverotti
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Threats |
» I can not think of 1 good reason any doc can moraly prefer the strip
» method, I really can't knowing what FUE can do in the hands of experience
» surgeons.
»
»
We just still don't see those wow mega sessions (5000-7000 AKA H&W and alike)and they have been promised for a long long time. We have one or two but that's about it.
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Mr. Frodo
18.05.2008, 15:14
@ Dr. Feller
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secrecy , hypocricy , and videotape |
» An entire FUE branch of the industry has been created and has been growing
» steadily since 2001 without you. In fact, based on internet photos and
» write ups, you have been surpassed on several fronts.
an entire branch? yeah right, i can count with one hand how many experienced fue/bht docs out there, and u are certainly not one of them. i never like dr woods because of his arrogance but now i think you just top it all in that department. you sure talk big for someone who has almost no fue/bht results to show for, if you can't walk the walk, well u know the rest...
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sux2bme
18.05.2008, 15:54
(edited by sux2bme, 18.05.2008, 16:48)
@ Dr. Feller
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Threats |
» SUX- This is not a game and sportsmanship has nothing to do with it. I’ve
» already demonstrated that my results are every bit as good as ANY other FUE
» doc and that’s a fact. Again, if you absolutely must make personal comments
» about me you know my real name and where I work and may do so to my face.
» How about you give me your name and address so you can be held accountable
» for your words. Don’t say anything on the web that you wouldn’t say in
» person. This is not your debate and you should just keep your hands off the
» keyboard and read. Maybe you’ll learn something. I have laid out some
» important points and now it is time for FUE docs to respond, not you.
Dr Feller you have shown few, granted nice, results with FUE from what I have seen. But until you jump in with both feet and commit to it full time you will never be at the forefront and will undoubtedly struggle to overcome the pitfalls you have mentioned on many occasion. What you fail to see is that others have already conquered these and moved forward because they have FULLY embraced the technique, committed themselves, and recognized that strip is an invasive, inferior method that the people do not want anymore.
FUE is a specialty that demands full time dedication to it and until you recognize that you will always be one step behind, in my opinion.
And please do not tell me to keep my hands off the keyboard. Last time I checked, this was a patient to patient forum and I will state my opinion any time I feel necessary. And if Im not mistaken it is YOU who has been told on more than one occasion(on HLH) to stay out of the patient discussions, yet you just cant help yourself, that ego thing again... But I dont mind that at all, yours as well as other doctors presence is welcomed and appreciated. Veteran posters are quite capable of keeping the BS in check, but when you start telling patients to stay out then you are crossing the line...
And I have every right to remain annonymous and post my personal opinions, since I am not in business offering my services to the public in exchange for money as you are. We are held to different standards. I am a nobody. You choose to be in the public eye therefore you take what comes with the territory.
That being said, I would have no problem saying everything that I have said on the web to your face, if ever the opportunity. They are my opinions, formed by years of reading, seeing and speaking with doctors and patients. I am entitled to them and I stand by them, even in your presence, your threats notwithstanding. But I live across the country and have no interest in flying out to New York to argue my opinions with a doctor from a hair loss forum. My life simply does not afford me that option, nor do I care...
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Franklin
18.05.2008, 16:24
(edited by Franklin, 18.05.2008, 17:15)
@ Dr. Feller
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Threats |
"Franklin- You are right. I should have mentioned that the comparisons between strip and FUE results should only be made between the top docs of both fields. You clearly had an awful strip doctor to which a I can personally attest when I met you a few years ago. He was never a good HT doc and I have since fixed much of his work. Your results from FUE are A-1 and demonstrates the benefits of this relatively new procedure and industry, but had you first gone to a top notch strip doctor you would have had the same results without traveling and for far less money" Thanks doc for the compliment. But my biggest gripe of the idustry in general at this time is why were all those docs telling me Fue would not work? Imagine I was in my late 30's at the time of my first ht. If I even new about Dr. Woods offering Fue I would not have a scar. Even if I went to a top doc and had a small scar it is just something if I could turn back the clock I would have never done . And that is not taking anything away from docs that do quality strip work. I was the patient I should have been told about both procedures but all I got was it was a smoke and mirrors procedure and another doc called Fue a Dog and pony show that Dr. Woods was offering. Lol. This is nothing but proffessional jelousy in my eyes. It still amazes me to this day that most of these docs I had consults with now offer there own version of Fue even if it is on a limited basis. If I was researching Fue techniques today I would hope the doctor would have at least a dozen or so reults to show me . I do not even see that on there websites. And as far as saving money and travel. This should never be the final judgement in any cosmetic surgery. Only if you narrowed your surgeons down to a few choices after your own personal research (again comparing results you saw in person.) Then you can do comparrison shop.
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Dr. Feller
Great Neck, NY,
18.05.2008, 18:32
@ Franklin
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Threats |
Franklin,
FUE was largely unkonwn in this country at the time you sought your first transplant. That's why it wasn't offered. Unfortunatley, there are still MANY strip doctors who unfairly deride FUE for the very reason many of the kool-aid drinkers on here allude to, that is, they can't do it and they don't want to lose the business.
John,
Thank you for posting that video. Now we have something substantive to talk about.
Did you see how the doctor stabbed the skin and twisted vigorously? THAT is problem number one with FUE. That twisting may functionally transect the graft even if the graft LOOKS intact afterward. The more the graft is twisted back and forth, the more damage is done. I believe this is the number one reason for poorer FUE yields compared to strip where no such force is encountered.
The second area is where the graft is pulled out of the skin with forcepts. In this particular patient the grafts came out without much difficulty and that DOES happen in a number of lucky patients. But MOST patients are not that lucky.
In most patients the amount of traction is much higher than in this video. You will not see an edited video demonstrating this. The problem is that in some patients, if the doctor cuts too low with the punch it will cut the graft. So to insure that happens he cuts a bit more shallow. When that happens, however, it's harder to remove the graft from the skin because there is still too much lower skin anchoring it. To overcome this problem the doctor has to pull HARDER with the forcepts and SQUEEZE harder to keep a grip.
Those are the three forces that I believe have limited FUE with comparison to strip:
1. Torsion
2. Traction
3. Compression.
This is a UNIVERSAL fact of all FUE to date. Notice that NO FUE doctor has come on here to SPECIFICALLY refute this truth. They know that if they did, they would not be offering "informed consent" and would therefore be breaking the law and opening themselves up to lawsuits.
Forget about the rest of the noise, those 3 forces are all that count.
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Feller Medical, PC
Great Neck, NY
http://www.fellermedical.com |
HanginInThere
18.05.2008, 18:38
@ Dr. Feller
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Threats |
i do not doubt there are some FUE results that are very impressive
however in general all the WOW results, are strip
unfortunately all the horror scar stories are also associated with strip
i think in general HTs are so many unknowns..............future thinning is the most important and most overlooked..................then add scarring of the donor area.........unpredictable thinning all over the scalp from stress from the procedure.................or with FUE from transecting , adjacent follicles inadvertently,
why guys get tranaplants nowadays is a mystery to me, perhaps in the right docs hands, and with minimal scarring, and luck of no dramatic future thinning, it can pay off
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Hangin Regimen...........
Maxi Hair by Country Life 2/day
Kal Amino Max ..Chelated Multi Mineral..2/day
DHT blockers (daily intake)
Saw Palmetto, 320mg Standardized
Pygeum 500mg
Nettles 500mg
Beta Sitosterol 125mg
2% Nizoral Cream Topically Nightly,,,after Shampoo |
Franklin
18.05.2008, 18:59
(edited by Franklin, 18.05.2008, 19:06)
@ Dr. Feller
|
Threats |
I am not absoultey sure would have to look up the details. But I thought by 1999-2000 Rassman and Bernstein offered there version (Fox) to a limited few? I spoke to both of these docs too in 2001. Bernstein examined me said I am not a candidate did not even try there so called fox test on me just turned me down. Then I got on the phone with Rassman and he sounded very arrogant about what he can do and all. I told him what his partner at the time Bernstein said and he changed his attitude and said if he would not do it he would not either not even examine me just took his word. See how fustratiing the research process can be? As it turned out I was a perfect candidate for Fue. That's why I tell potential patients to go out and not just take a docs word you have to trust your own instincts when you are satsified you did research to the fullest of your ability. But nothing bad to say about Bernstein he was easy to talk with unlike his partner.
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bverotti
Belgium,
19.05.2008, 09:30
@ marco
|
Threats |
» » I can not think of 1 good reason any doc can moraly prefer the strip
» » method, I really can't knowing what FUE can do in the hands of
» experience
» » surgeons.
» »
» »
»
» We just still don't see those wow mega sessions (5000-7000 AKA H&W and
» alike)and they have been promised for a long long time. We have one or two
» but that's about it.
Who is promising ?
As I stated before, we take a slow aproach. Expect to see grown out 5000 unsplit graft cases by around this time next year.
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Consultant for Prohairclinic Belgium http://www.prohairclinic.com/default.asp?language=en
FUE only institute since 2004
Specialized in FUE megasessions |
marco
U.K,
19.05.2008, 10:20
@ bverotti
|
Threats |
» » » I can not think of 1 good reason any doc can moraly prefer the strip
» » » method, I really can't knowing what FUE can do in the hands of
» » experience
» » » surgeons.
» » »
» » »
» »
» » We just still don't see those wow mega sessions (5000-7000 AKA H&W and
» » alike)and they have been promised for a long long time. We have one or
» two
» » but that's about it.
»
» Who is promising ?
»
» As I stated before, we take a slow aproach. Expect to see grown out 5000
» unsplit graft cases by around this time next year.
Actually, it was you!!! (and others). You said at the end of last year that we would be seeing large sessions reported the board soon. FUE has been around for some time and was touted as a full replacement of strip since 2005 but we still have the same kind of promises as the one that you have placed in this very post. If it is the case then could you explain what has changed???
marco has 1 Personal Journal(s). Click here to view |
readyfreddy
19.05.2008, 10:30
@ marco
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Threats |
» » » » I can not think of 1 good reason any doc can moraly prefer the strip
» » » » method, I really can't knowing what FUE can do in the hands of
» » » experience
» » » » surgeons.
» » » »
» » » »
» » »
» » » We just still don't see those wow mega sessions (5000-7000 AKA H&W
» and
» » » alike)and they have been promised for a long long time. We have one
» or
» » two
» » » but that's about it.
» »
» » Who is promising ?
» »
» » As I stated before, we take a slow aproach. Expect to see grown out
» 5000
» » unsplit graft cases by around this time next year.
»
» Actually, it was you!!! (and others). You said at the end of last year
» that we would be seeing large sessions reported the board soon. FUE has
» been around for some time and was touted as a full replacement of strip
» since 2005 but we still have the same kind of promises as the one that you
» have placed in this very post. If it is the case then could you explain
» what has changed???
Marco did you honestly believe that it was possible to have 5000-7000 fue without causing serious damage to the donor?
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Dr. Woods
19.05.2008, 12:00
@ Mr. Frodo
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secrecy , hypocricy , and videotape |
Feller wants to see everyones tool, in person or on videotape.
He has relentlessly posted aggressive challanges to everyone performing FUE, and attacked me in particular.
So why is he so obsessed with seeing everyones tools ?.
All the other doctors seem to be getting on with it and not giving a damn over someone elses instruments. Its just Feller.
Question is why.
Here is my opinion.
Feller regards himself as an inventor. Since early 2003 he has patented various contraptions and designs regarding follicular extraction.
Every conceivable possibility he has tried to patent, including PERFORATIONS, SERRATIONS, VACUUM CHAMBERS , RELIEVED TIPS etc etc. He has tried to cover everything with a patent
Evidently, he still performs strip, so his gadgets aren't working so well.
But he must be certain that whatever instrument any doctor anywhere in the world is using , they MUST BE USING AT LEAST ONE OF HIS PATENTED COMPONENTS.
That means the doctor is in breach of a patent . All Feller needs to do is have a peek and then the legalities begin, ensuring he gets a cheque in the mail every time an FUE is performed.
Its what I think is the reason for his ongoing almost frantic posts over instrument disclosure, challenges etc
Dr Ray Woods
---
website: www.woodstechnique.com.au
email: drwoods@thewoodstechnique.com
Inventor & Pioneer: FUE & BHT Hair Transplant |
reiner
19.05.2008, 12:37
@ Dr. Woods
|
secrecy , hypocricy , and videotape |
» Feller wants to see everyones tool, in person or on videotape.
»
» He has relentlessly posted aggressive challanges to everyone performing
» FUE, and attacked me in particular.
»
» So why is he so obsessed with seeing everyones tools ?.
»
» All the other doctors seem to be getting on with it and not giving a damn
» over someone elses instruments. Its just Feller.
»
» Question is why.
»
» Here is my opinion.
»
» Feller regards himself as an inventor. Since early 2003 he has patented
» various contraptions and designs regarding follicular extraction.
»
» Every conceivable possibility he has tried to patent, including
» PERFORATIONS, SERRATIONS, VACUUM CHAMBERS , RELIEVED TIPS etc etc. He has
» tried to cover everything with a patent
»
» Evidently, he still performs strip, so his gadgets aren't working so
» well.
»
» But he must be certain that whatever instrument any doctor anywhere in the
» world is using , they MUST BE USING AT LEAST ONE OF HIS PATENTED
» COMPONENTS.
»
» That means the doctor is in breach of a patent . All Feller needs to do is
» have a peek and then the legalities begin, ensuring he gets a cheque in the
» mail every time an FUE is performed.
»
» Its what I think is the reason for his ongoing almost frantic posts over
» instrument disclosure, challenges etc
»
» Dr Ray Woods
Dr. Woods is this the threats that you and Bverotti were talking about? Dr. Feller threatened to sue you for using his patented tools?
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bverotti
Belgium,
19.05.2008, 13:07
@ marco
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Threats |
Well,
We have done many many 3000 graft sessions last year. This year we are venturing in the 4000 and 5000 graft (multiple sessions).
I am not worried about results at all. We have our patients comming back for more grafts, sending relatives and friends. Unsatisfied patients usually dont come back for more, dont recommend us, and some will use the forums to vent.
Listen,
If FUE was such a doubfull procedures with sooo many risks it would show in all results. Nature has a way of telling us what is right and wat is wrong.
Improperly trained FUE surgeons and FUE wannebees, along with record seekers are IMHO the worst that can happen to FUE.
That is why we practice it every day, to keep routines going, to strive for perfection.
Here is a little video of our doc just getting started on a new session.
The donor area has just been numbed and he will go for the first scores.
During the first scores he will get a feeling for the skin, the depth and the angle. In fact in the video he briefly adjust his instrument.
Please notice how a highly trained FUE surgeon gets it right, from the beginning. During his initial extractions all grafts came out easily and intact. This is an example of how things start in 90% of the cases. In some cases it takes somewhat longer to adjust some variables before the rest of the extractions take place.
Starting an FUE procedure by dr. De Reys at Prohairclinic
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Consultant for Prohairclinic Belgium http://www.prohairclinic.com/default.asp?language=en
FUE only institute since 2004
Specialized in FUE megasessions |
ixan
19.05.2008, 15:01
@ bverotti
|
Threats |
» Well,
» We have done many many 3000 graft sessions last year. This year we are
» venturing in the 4000 and 5000 graft (multiple sessions).
»
» I am not worried about results at all. We have our patients comming back
» for more grafts, sending relatives and friends. Unsatisfied patients
» usually dont come back for more, dont recommend us, and some will use the
» forums to vent.
»
» Listen,
» If FUE was such a doubfull procedures with sooo many risks it would show
» in all results. Nature has a way of telling us what is right and wat is
» wrong.
»
» Improperly trained FUE surgeons and FUE wannebees, along with record
» seekers are IMHO the worst that can happen to FUE.
» That is why we practice it every day, to keep routines going, to strive
» for perfection.
»
» Here is a little video of our doc just getting started on a new session.
» The donor area has just been numbed and he will go for the first scores.
» During the first scores he will get a feeling for the skin, the depth and
» the angle. In fact in the video he briefly adjust his instrument.
» Please notice how a highly trained FUE surgeon gets it right, from the
» beginning. During his initial extractions all grafts came out easily and
» intact. This is an example of how things start in 90% of the cases. In
» some cases it takes somewhat longer to adjust some variables before the
» rest of the extractions take place.
»
»
» Starting an FUE procedure
» by dr. De Reys at Prohairclinic
You better think twice before showing the video, Feller may take legal actions against your clinic for patent infringement 
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bverotti
Belgium,
19.05.2008, 16:30
@ reiner
|
No threats about patent instruments |
No, the threat was an anonymous phone call, 2 calls in fact.
The language was defininately English and the person was upset about me, dr Ilter and dr. De Reys promoting FUE megassesions.
Both threats where made last year, about 6 months apart.
I guess we are getting too good for some peoples liking
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Consultant for Prohairclinic Belgium http://www.prohairclinic.com/default.asp?language=en
FUE only institute since 2004
Specialized in FUE megasessions |
bverotti
Belgium,
19.05.2008, 16:32
@ ixan
|
no patented instruments |
Actually we are using 'of the shelve' instruments that anyone can buy in specialised HT companies.
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Consultant for Prohairclinic Belgium http://www.prohairclinic.com/default.asp?language=en
FUE only institute since 2004
Specialized in FUE megasessions |
johnp
19.05.2008, 16:34
@ bverotti
|
No threats about patent instruments |
» No, the threat was an anonymous phone call, 2 calls in fact.
» The language was defininately English and the person was upset about me,
» dr Ilter and dr. De Reys promoting FUE megassesions.
»
»
» Both threats where made last year, about 6 months apart.
»
» I guess we are getting too good for some peoples liking
What did the person say over the phone? If what Dr. Woods said is true, Feller may be sitting on a goldmine, imagine getting royalties from all fue doctors around the world, even from the inventor (Dr. Woods) himself.
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Dr. Feller
Great Neck, NY,
19.05.2008, 19:59
@ Dr. Woods
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secrecy , hypocricy , and videotape |
Dr. Woods,
I believe the shoe is on the other foot. As I recall, it was YOU who wanted a check for every FUE performed worldwide, not I. You also wanted a $150,000 fee for training and licensing of your technique. Of course, you and your lawyer left out the part that you did not legally protect the intellectual property you claimed to be licensing. That’s called a “scheme”, had you actually taken money, it would have been called something a whole lot worse.
I also saw that video that is now featured on the home page of this site. Your “patients rights” list is admirable, if not a cute marketing tool that at once raises |
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