CIT
20.05.2008, 01:03 |
FUE - FIT- CIT (Hair Transplant) Thread locked |
FIT and CIT are our proprietary methods of hair transplantation. No one else has our technology. We have performed over 1 million grafts and over 1000 surgeries with FIT. There are those who claim to perform FIT; they don’t. In order to separate ourselves even further, we’ve advanced the technology even further and we now call it CIT. It is important to recognize that we have more results than any other clinic out there who claims to perform FUE. Furthermore, our results are ones you can magnify and see whereas others post photos that hide the lack of a result. In reality, there is CIT and not quite CIT. They call this inferior procedure FUE.
Some techniques of FUE are highly inefficient and produce a low yield with a high rate of follicle injury. Our technique and instruments are proprietary and produce the highest quality result with the lowest risk of follicle injury.
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marco
U.K,
20.05.2008, 19:21
@ CIT
|
FUE - FIT- CIT |
» technology even further and we now call it CIT. It is important to
» recognize that we have more results than any other clinic out there who
» claims to perform FUE. Furthermore, our results are ones you can magnify
» and see whereas others post photos that hide the lack of a result. In
» reality, there is CIT and not quite CIT. They call this inferior procedure
» FUE.
»
» Some techniques of FUE are highly inefficient and produce a low yield with
» a high rate of follicle injury. Our technique and instruments are
» proprietary and produce the highest quality result with the lowest risk of
» follicle injury.
»
Your post and tone is insulting to anyones intelegence.
You put down other techniques, you don't tell us what your technique is, what the technique of others are or how they compare. You just ask us to trust you. you sound like an idiotic salesman. As for your magnifying glass, it blows up pixles on your pics just as the internet explorer tab will do for any pic. That is not high resolution it's a gimic just as your post is.
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CIT
20.05.2008, 19:50
@ marco
|
Techniques must advance |
» » technology even further and we now call it CIT. It is important to
» » recognize that we have more results than any other clinic out there who
» » claims to perform FUE. Furthermore, our results are ones you can
» magnify
» » and see whereas others post photos that hide the lack of a result. In
» » reality, there is CIT and not quite CIT. They call this inferior
» procedure
» » FUE.
» »
» » Some techniques of FUE are highly inefficient and produce a low yield
» with
» » a high rate of follicle injury. Our technique and instruments are
» » proprietary and produce the highest quality result with the lowest risk
» of
» » follicle injury.
» »
»
»
» Your post and tone is insulting to anyones intelegence.
»
» You put down other techniques, you don't tell us what your technique is,
» what the technique of others are or how they compare. You just ask us to
» trust you. you sound like an idiotic salesman. As for your magnifying
» glass, it blows up pixles on your pics just as the internet explorer tab
» will do for any pic. That is not high resolution it's a gimic just as your
» post is.
I am glad to see that you have an opinion. However, the fact of the matter is that we do have the most quality FUE results and there is a reason for it. Hard work, insight and having the best interests of the patient in mind. You will find that our clinic doesn't spend money for major marketing campaigns for a reason. You will also find that we will not perform a hair transplant procedures on just anyone who walks through our door wanting hair. We talk the talk that many would like to walk. There is no reason that we can't have a tone while major clinics are still giving us major repair work from their failed hair transplant procedures. At the end of the day, the spoken words are supported with facts. Good thing I'm not a salesman or else I would sound out of line.
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marco
U.K,
20.05.2008, 19:57
@ CIT
|
Techniques must advance |
» I am glad to see that you have an opinion. However, the fact of the
» matter is that we do have the most quality FUE results and there is a
» reason for it. Hard work, insight and having the best interests of the
» patient in mind. You will find that our clinic doesn't spend money for
» major marketing campaigns for a reason. You will also find that we will
» not perform a hair transplant procedures on just anyone who walks through
» our door wanting hair. We talk the talk that many would like to walk.
» There is no reason that we can't have a tone while major clinics are still
» giving us major repair work from their failed hair transplant procedures.
» At the end of the day, the spoken words are supported with facts. Good
» thing I'm not a salesman or else I would sound out of line.
It is facts that are interesting not rhetoric. There are a number of FUE clinics that post on this board. All show good results. Why are yours better? What is your justification or is it some kind of religious belief?
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CIT
20.05.2008, 20:06
@ marco
|
Techniques must advance |
» » I am glad to see that you have an opinion. However, the fact of the
» » matter is that we do have the most quality FUE results and there is a
» » reason for it. Hard work, insight and having the best interests of the
» » patient in mind. You will find that our clinic doesn't spend money for
» » major marketing campaigns for a reason. You will also find that we
» will
» » not perform a hair transplant procedures on just anyone who walks
» through
» » our door wanting hair. We talk the talk that many would like to walk.
» » There is no reason that we can't have a tone while major clinics are
» still
» » giving us major repair work from their failed hair transplant
» procedures.
» » At the end of the day, the spoken words are supported with facts. Good
» » thing I'm not a salesman or else I would sound out of line.
»
» It is facts that are interesting not rhetoric. There are a number of FUE
» clinics that post on this board. All show good results. Why are yours
» better? What is your justification or is it some kind of religious belief?
Fact: All clinics don't show good results
Fact: You may make the appropriate comments after observing the FUE results
Fact: You may see the results right here
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marco
U.K,
21.05.2008, 04:25
@ CIT
|
Techniques must advance |
» » It is facts that are interesting not rhetoric. There are a number of
» FUE
» » clinics that post on this board. All show good results. Why are yours
» » better? What is your justification or is it some kind of religious
» belief?
»
» Fact: All clinics don't show good results
» Fact: You may make the appropriate comments after observing the FUE
» results
» Fact: You may see
» the results right here
I clearly said that I refer to clinics posting on this board. If seeing results is going to a link as you suggest then we have seen many results, again from other clinics on this board. Again, what is the evidence that you can give us that your results are better. It would be more helpful if you thought like a patient and not a salesman then you would appreciate what we need to hear or see and what is just annoying.
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nwone
21.05.2008, 09:15
@ marco
|
Techniques must advance |
» » » It is facts that are interesting not rhetoric. There are a number of
» » FUE
» » » clinics that post on this board. All show good results. Why are yours
» » » better? What is your justification or is it some kind of religious
» » belief?
» »
» » Fact: All clinics don't show good results
» » Fact: You may make the appropriate comments after observing the FUE
» » results
» » Fact: You may
» see
» » the results right here
»
» I clearly said that I refer to clinics posting on this board. If seeing
» results is going to a link as you suggest then we have seen many results,
» again from other clinics on this board. Again, what is the evidence that
» you can give us that your results are better. It would be more helpful if
» you thought like a patient and not a salesman then you would appreciate
» what we need to hear or see and what is just annoying.
i would say that dr. Cole has the procedure under his belt very well.
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marco
U.K,
21.05.2008, 11:30
@ nwone
|
Techniques must advance |
» » » » It is facts that are interesting not rhetoric. There are a number of
» » » FUE
» » » » clinics that post on this board. All show good results. Why are
» yours
» » » » better? What is your justification or is it some kind of religious
» » » belief?
» » »
» » » Fact: All clinics don't show good results
» » » Fact: You may make the appropriate comments after observing the FUE
» » » results
» » » Fact: You may
» » see
» » » the results right here
» »
» » I clearly said that I refer to clinics posting on this board. If seeing
» » results is going to a link as you suggest then we have seen many
» results,
» » again from other clinics on this board. Again, what is the evidence
» that
» » you can give us that your results are better. It would be more helpful
» if
» » you thought like a patient and not a salesman then you would appreciate
» » what we need to hear or see and what is just annoying.
» i would say that dr. Cole has the procedure under his belt very well.
That was never the question and was not the comment by CIT. The comment by coles clinic was that they have the best procedure compared with others and one can only assume that this includes other clinics that post on the board. That was clear and demands one hell of a justification.
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CIT
21.05.2008, 14:11
@ marco
|
CIT secrets |
» » » » » It is facts that are interesting not rhetoric. There are a number
» of
» » » » FUE
» » » » » clinics that post on this board. All show good results. Why are
» » yours
» » » » » better? What is your justification or is it some kind of
» religious
» » » » belief?
» » » »
» » » » Fact: All clinics don't show good results
» » » » Fact: You may make the appropriate comments after observing the
» FUE
» » » » results
» » » » Fact: You
» may
» » » see
» » » » the results right here
» » »
» » » I clearly said that I refer to clinics posting on this board. If
» seeing
» » » results is going to a link as you suggest then we have seen many
» » results,
» » » again from other clinics on this board. Again, what is the evidence
» » that
» » » you can give us that your results are better. It would be more
» helpful
» » if
» » » you thought like a patient and not a salesman then you would
» appreciate
» » » what we need to hear or see and what is just annoying.
»
»
» » i would say that dr. Cole has the procedure under his belt very well.
»
» That was never the question and was not the comment by CIT. The comment by
» coles clinic was that they have the best procedure compared with others
» and one can only assume that this includes other clinics that post on the
» board. That was clear and demands one hell of a justification.
Correct, that does demand justification. We provide the most FUE results in the world. These results are consistent and look totally natural. The same procedure produces natural looking results on cases that were once very unnatural looking. The only common denominator is that both procedures involve removal of naturally occuring follicular units. CIT is better because there is data to prove that it causes less trauma to a donor area, complexity of the tools are more involved, and the steps during the procedure are totally different. There are such things that are classified as "secret" and the reason is usually because the information or technology is so advanced that it could be dangerous in the wrong hands. Do you know the 11 herbs and spices of KFC? If not, dont worry. The top exec. of the entire chain dosen't even know the secret. Our secret keeps us an edge up on the community. Just let the results do the explaining and go to the clinic that you believe to be looking out for your best interests.
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marco
U.K,
21.05.2008, 16:26
@ CIT
|
CIT secrets |
» CIT is better
» because there is data to prove that it causes less trauma to a donor area,
» complexity of the tools are more involved, and the steps during the
» procedure are totally different. There are such things that are classified
» as "secret" and the reason is usually because the information or technology
» is so advanced that it could be dangerous in the wrong hands. Do you know
There are great FUE results from woods Arvind, Cole, Basinger, Armani, Umar and prohair to name a few. How would we know yours are better.
How could you know that CIT causes less trauma to the donor when other FUE clinics keep their technique a secret and so do you? Where is your comparison with other reputed clinics such as those listed above.
I have only seen two 5000+ FUE results from your clinic but several from other surgeons. I have seen 20 or more 5000+ strip from H&W alone.
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Dr. Feller
Great Neck, NY,
21.05.2008, 16:40
@ marco
|
CIT secrets |
“There are such things that are classified as "secret" and the reason is usually because the information or technology is so advanced that it could be dangerous in the wrong hands.”
Wow, that sounds pretty serious CIT. No disrespect, but it sounds really quite funny and perhaps a bit over the top?
Congratulations on your new technology. I admire innovation and respect intellectual property. However, when you claim you have a better mouse-trap, someone is going to ask you to prove it- as Macro rightfully did. Your in-house, unverifiable, (self serving?) clinical data is not enough unfortunately, although it’s nice to read about in and of itself.
Is there anything else you can tell the public and your peers about the new technology you are reporting here? Are you stating unequivocally that it minimizes or eliminates specifically:
1.Torsion
2.Traction
3.Compression ?
I hope you understand the skepticism, but transparency is pretty much the rule on the internet and "secret" methods and veils of secrecy raise eyebrows. I look forward to your reply.
Very nice result above I must say. Look how far FUE has come in just 6 years.
Best of luck.
Thank you,
Dr. Feller
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bigmac
21.05.2008, 18:28
@ Dr. Feller
|
CIT secrets |
Getting a straight forward answer from this guy is like getting blood out of a stone.
Pleeeeeeeeease what size punches do you use and i`ve given up on my other questions on my other posts as you have no reputable/logical answer.
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bigmac
22.05.2008, 04:57
@ CIT
|
FUE - FIT- CIT |
» FIT and CIT are our proprietary methods of hair transplantation. No one
» else has our technology. We have performed over 1 million grafts and over
» 1000 surgeries with FIT. There are those who claim to perform FIT; they
» don’t. In order to separate ourselves even further, we’ve advanced the
» technology even further and we now call it CIT. It is important to
» recognize that we have more results than any other clinic out there who
» claims to perform FUE. Furthermore, our results are ones you can magnify
» and see whereas others post photos that hide the lack of a result. In
» reality, there is CIT and not quite CIT. They call this inferior procedure
» FUE.
»
» Some techniques of FUE are highly inefficient and produce a low yield with
» a high rate of follicle injury. Our technique and instruments are
» proprietary and produce the highest quality result with the lowest risk of
» follicle injury.
»
"Dr Cole/Cit, you state in this very thread that there are people that claim to use the FIT method and that they really don't use it. Who are these people. Dr Rose and Dr Mwamba.I thought they co-develpoed FIT and were taught the technique by you, respectively"
"One more question Dr Cole. Why do you say that every FUE procedure is inferior to yours.
Have you got PROOF of this.
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canadadry
22.05.2008, 09:48
@ bigmac
|
FUE - FIT- CIT |
» » FIT and CIT are our proprietary methods of hair transplantation. No one
» » else has our technology. We have performed over 1 million grafts and
» over
» » 1000 surgeries with FIT. There are those who claim to perform FIT;
» they
» » don’t. In order to separate ourselves even further, we’ve advanced the
» » technology even further and we now call it CIT. It is important to
» » recognize that we have more results than any other clinic out there who
» » claims to perform FUE. Furthermore, our results are ones you can
» magnify
» » and see whereas others post photos that hide the lack of a result. In
» » reality, there is CIT and not quite CIT. They call this inferior
» procedure
» » FUE.
» »
» » Some techniques of FUE are highly inefficient and produce a low yield
» with
» » a high rate of follicle injury. Our technique and instruments are
» » proprietary and produce the highest quality result with the lowest risk
» of
» » follicle injury.
» »
»
» "Dr Cole/Cit, you state in this very thread that there are people that
» claim to use the FIT method and that they really don't use it. Who are
» these people. Dr Rose and Dr Mwamba.I thought they co-develpoed FIT and
» were taught the technique by you, respectively"
»
» "One more question Dr Cole. Why do you say that every FUE procedure is
» inferior to yours.
»
» Have you got PROOF of this.
This is sad that so called professinal people have such a basic lack of respect for those they sell to, treating us like fools that swallow anything they throw at us.
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nwone
22.05.2008, 14:13
@ canadadry
|
FUE - FIT- CIT |
» » » FIT and CIT are our proprietary methods of hair transplantation. No
» one
» » » else has our technology. We have performed over 1 million grafts and
» » over
» » » 1000 surgeries with FIT. There are those who claim to perform FIT;
» » they
» » » don’t. In order to separate ourselves even further, we’ve advanced
» the
» » » technology even further and we now call it CIT. It is important to
» » » recognize that we have more results than any other clinic out there
» who
» » » claims to perform FUE. Furthermore, our results are ones you can
» » magnify
» » » and see whereas others post photos that hide the lack of a result.
» In
» » » reality, there is CIT and not quite CIT. They call this inferior
» » procedure
» » » FUE.
» » »
» » » Some techniques of FUE are highly inefficient and produce a low yield
» » with
» » » a high rate of follicle injury. Our technique and instruments are
» » » proprietary and produce the highest quality result with the lowest
» risk
» » of
» » » follicle injury.
» » »
» »
» » "Dr Cole/Cit, you state in this very thread that there are people that
» » claim to use the FIT method and that they really don't use it. Who are
» » these people. Dr Rose and Dr Mwamba.I thought they co-develpoed FIT and
» » were taught the technique by you, respectively"
» »
» » "One more question Dr Cole. Why do you say that every FUE procedure is
» » inferior to yours.
» »
» » Have you got PROOF of this.
»
»
» This is sad that so called professinal people have such a basic lack of
» respect for those they sell to, treating us like fools that swallow
» anything they throw at us.
It is personal choice. Either you want the product or you go elsewhere. IMO, There is too much mellow drama here!
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bigmac
22.05.2008, 15:17
@ nwone
|
FUE - FIT- CIT |
»
» It is personal choice. Either you want the product or you go elsewhere.
» IMO, There is too much mellow drama here!
Well i dont agree with your statement,how can someone make an informed decision when all the facts are not disclosed.
Would you take out a loan if they never told you how much interest you would pay.Would you cross a busy road blindfolded.
These forums are for the patients benefit "NOT" the doctors and all information should be freely available so that a prosspective patient knows all the facts and then can decide who to go to.
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nwone
22.05.2008, 20:30
@ bigmac
|
FUE - FIT- CIT |
» »
» » It is personal choice. Either you want the product or you go elsewhere.
»
» » IMO, There is too much mellow drama here!
»
» Well i dont agree with your statement,how can someone make an informed
» decision when all the facts are not disclosed.
» Would you take out a loan if they never told you how much interest you
» would pay.Would you cross a busy road blindfolded.
»
» These forums are for the patients benefit "NOT" the doctors and all
» information should be freely available so that a prosspective patient knows
» all the facts and then can decide who to go to.
I agree. Info should be readily available so all facts are known. There is a slight difference in asking how something is done versus asking what is used to perform the act (surgery). You should talk to the patients an surgeon in-person then make an informed decision at that point. Forums aren't exactly the place for private or secret info to be disclosed. You should try giving the prospective clinic a phone call. That might be better. Worked for me!
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dave21
24.05.2008, 01:10
@ nwone
|
FUE - FIT- CIT |
» » »
» » » It is personal choice. Either you want the product or you go
» elsewhere.
» »
» » » IMO, There is too much mellow drama here!
» »
» » Well i dont agree with your statement,how can someone make an informed
» » decision when all the facts are not disclosed.
» » Would you take out a loan if they never told you how much interest you
» » would pay.Would you cross a busy road blindfolded.
» »
» » These forums are for the patients benefit "NOT" the doctors and all
» » information should be freely available so that a prosspective patient
» knows
» » all the facts and then can decide who to go to.
»
» I agree. Info should be readily available so all facts are known. There
» is a slight difference in asking how something is done versus asking what
» is used to perform the act (surgery). You should talk to the patients an
» surgeon in-person then make an informed decision at that point. Forums
» aren't exactly the place for private or secret info to be disclosed. You
» should try giving the prospective clinic a phone call. That might be
» better. Worked for me!
How much does it cost per graft with CIT??
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mwinston
31.05.2008, 12:23
@ dave21
|
FUE - FIT- CIT |
» » » »
» » » » It is personal choice. Either you want the product or you go
» » elsewhere.
» » »
» » » » IMO, There is too much mellow drama here!
» » »
» » » Well i dont agree with your statement,how can someone make an
» informed
» » » decision when all the facts are not disclosed.
» » » Would you take out a loan if they never told you how much interest
» you
» » » would pay.Would you cross a busy road blindfolded.
» » »
» » » These forums are for the patients benefit "NOT" the doctors and all
» » » information should be freely available so that a prosspective patient
» » knows
» » » all the facts and then can decide who to go to.
» »
» » I agree. Info should be readily available so all facts are known.
» There
7.50 each graft if memory serves
» » is a slight difference in asking how something is done versus asking
» what
» » is used to perform the act (surgery). You should talk to the patients
» an
» » surgeon in-person then make an informed decision at that point. Forums
» » aren't exactly the place for private or secret info to be disclosed.
» You
» » should try giving the prospective clinic a phone call. That might be
» » better. Worked for me!
»
» How much does it cost per graft with CIT??
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nwone
01.06.2008, 16:10
@ mwinston
|
FUE - FIT- CIT consult |
» » » » »
» » » » » It is personal choice. Either you want the product or you go
» » » elsewhere.
» » » »
» » » » » IMO, There is too much mellow drama here!
» » » »
» » » » Well i dont agree with your statement,how can someone make an
» » informed
» » » » decision when all the facts are not disclosed.
» » » » Would you take out a loan if they never told you how much interest
» » you
» » » » would pay.Would you cross a busy road blindfolded.
» » » »
» » » » These forums are for the patients benefit "NOT" the doctors and all
» » » » information should be freely available so that a prosspective
» patient
» » » knows
» » » » all the facts and then can decide who to go to.
» » »
How much does Dr coles clinic charge for consults in Atlanta? I hear Armani's fee is 250$!
» » There
» 7.50 each graft if memory serves
» » » is a slight difference in asking how something is done versus asking
» » what
» » » is used to perform the act (surgery). You should talk to the
» patients
» » an
» » » surgeon in-person then make an informed decision at that point.
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CIT
05.06.2008, 18:50
@ nwone
|
consults |
» » » » » »
» » » » » » It is personal choice. Either you want the product or you go
» » » » elsewhere.
» » » » »
» » » » » » IMO, There is too much mellow drama here!
» » » » »
» » » » » Well i dont agree with your statement,how can someone make an
» » » informed
» » » » » decision when all the facts are not disclosed.
» » » » » Would you take out a loan if they never told you how much
» interest
» » » you
» » » » » would pay.Would you cross a busy road blindfolded.
» » » » »
» » » » » These forums are for the patients benefit "NOT" the doctors and
» all
» » » » » information should be freely available so that a prosspective
» » patient
» » » » knows
» » » » » all the facts and then can decide who to go to.
» » » »
»
»
» How much does Dr coles clinic charge for consults in Atlanta? I hear
» Armani's fee is 250$!
» » » There
» » 7.50 each graft if memory serves
» » » » is a slight difference in asking how something is done versus
» asking
» » » what
» » » » is used to perform the act (surgery). You should talk to the
» » patients
» » » an
» » » » surgeon in-person then make an informed decision at that point.
We don't charge for any consults as a service to our patients. We inform our patients of the advantages and disadvantages to each method of hair transplant performed at our clinic. We will be opening the clinic for Saturday consultation session in the next week or so.
In years to come, we will see that the "less is more" concept is absolutely true. This is why you won't find many 5000 graft+ cases from our clinic. Hair loss can progress and in the event of further loss, the appearence of the hair transplant needs be appear naturally.
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CIT
15.06.2008, 02:41
@ bigmac
|
CIT secrets |
» Getting a straight forward answer from this guy is like getting blood out
» of a stone.
» Pleeeeeeeeease what size punches do you use and i`ve given up on my other
» questions on my other posts as you have no reputable/logical answer.
»
»
bigmac,
It would be inaccurate to disclose data that we even use what most clinics refer to as punches. Our instruments can accomodate any patients' needs as no one donor area is the same. As it was stated over several years ago, we did introduce the .75 to the hair transplant industry. If you meet our patients and talk to our staff then you could very well get more information about what is done at our clinic. 
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bigmac
18.06.2008, 17:36
@ CIT
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CIT secrets |
»
» bigmac,
»
» It would be inaccurate to disclose data that we even use what most clinics
» refer to as punches. Our instruments can accomodate any patients' needs as
» no one donor area is the same. As it was stated over several years ago, we
» did introduce the .75 to the hair transplant industry. If you meet our
» patients and talk to our staff then you could very well get more
» information about what is done at our clinic.
CIT,
I am so intrigued by your claim to have introduced the 0.75mm punch several years ago. So let me ask a few questions based on this claim, and ask about patient rights in the US.
1. What is the size range of your punches? We now know the lower end size of your punch size. Apparently since you introduced the 0.75mm punch (allegedly) and you are quick to admit this publically, then what would be the largest size punch you have used in the past and or present to accommodate ANY follicular unit. You are always saying that your tools are customized to the ever so dynamic donor characteristics of follicular unit sizes of individual patients. So in other words, what is the max punch size. You have now admitted the lower size, so it is only fair that I ask this question so I can be educated in what it takes to extract the largest follicular unit you have ever encountered while performing FIT/CIT/C2G (only).
2. Do US patients have the right to full disclosure of the procedures performed as well as the tools used in each and every clinical application on humans in US medicine.
3. This question is the most important one. Recently MYWHTC a poster here on hairsite admitted on a thread that the punch sizes of THAT clinic do indeed reach and may go over 1.0mm as need be in their procedure of FIT(FOLLICULAR ISOLATION TECHNIQUE). Does this mean your FIT and CIT and C2G all may include the same specifications of punch sizes to accommodate all punch sizes.I have to assume this is the case if you were the source of FIT development and teaching this technique to the clinic of MYWHTC.
I trust that you will answer questions 1, 2, and 3 for me and not leave out any question. I ask these questions based on the postings that you have posted and other posters. Thank you in advance.
Thanks bigmac
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mwinston
18.06.2008, 21:17
(edited by mwinston, 18.06.2008, 21:34)
@ bigmac
|
CIT secrets |
» »
» » bigmac,
» »
» » It would be inaccurate to disclose data that we even use what most
» clinics
» » refer to as punches. Our instruments can accomodate any patients' needs
» as
» » no one donor area is the same. As it was stated over several years ago,
» we
» » did introduce the .75 to the hair transplant industry. If you meet our
» » patients and talk to our staff then you could very well get more
» » information about what is done at our clinic.
»
» CIT,
»
» I am so intrigued by your claim to have introduced the 0.75mm punch
» several years ago. So let me ask a few questions based on this claim, and
» ask about patient rights in the US.
»
» 1. What is the size range of your punches? We now know the lower end size
» of your punch size. Apparently since you introduced the 0.75mm punch
» (allegedly) and you are quick to admit this publically, then what would be
» the largest size punch you have used in the past and or present to
» accommodate ANY follicular unit. You are always saying that your tools are
» customized to the ever so dynamic donor characteristics of follicular unit
» sizes of individual patients. So in other words, what is the max punch
» size. You have now admitted the lower size, so it is only fair that I ask
» this question so I can be educated in what it takes to extract the largest
» follicular unit you have ever encountered while performing FIT/CIT/C2G
» (only).
»
» 2. Do US patients have the right to full disclosure of the procedures
» performed as well as the tools used in each and every clinical application
» on humans in US medicine.
»
» 3. This question is the most important one. Recently MYWHTC a poster here
» on hairsite admitted on a thread that the punch sizes of THAT clinic do
» indeed reach and may go over 1.0mm as need be in their procedure of
» FIT(FOLLICULAR ISOLATION TECHNIQUE). Does this mean your FIT and CIT and
» C2G all may include the same specifications of punch sizes to accommodate
» all punch sizes.I have to assume this is the case if you were the source of
» FIT development and teaching this technique to the clinic of MYWHTC.
»
» I trust that you will answer questions 1, 2, and 3 for me and not leave
» out any question. I ask these questions based on the postings that you have
» posted and other posters. Thank you in advance.
»
» Thanks bigmac
Why are you pursuing the so-called "Cole secrets"? Today, I read that Shapiro uses a 1.0 b/c it allows for almost not transectionand keeps some tissue around the grafts which helps minimize damage while they are handled. Seriously, Ya think of doing one with him Cole? I'd try calling... It could only be fun
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the B spot
18.06.2008, 22:59
@ mwinston
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CIT secrets |
I fail to see how this helps educate prospective patients as to their options when patients do not know what they are buying.
At this point in time Dr. Shapiro is using a 1.0mm punch as we are currently doing FUE into scar tissue for repair. As mwinston has pointed out it helps to minimize transection AND helps retain a decent amount of tissue surrounding the graft.
However, our mission is to trend downward in punch size and move toward the .8-.9mm punches and reserve the 1.0 only when needed/for scar repair.
Dr. Shapiro recently spent time with Dr. Ilter and watched him work with a .75 in an effort to see this punch in operation at a high rate of extraction. We will be using the same punches as Dr. Ilter for the time being as they are fairly common and easy to use.
It is ignorant to assume that 1 punch size will accomodate all patients, certain patients simply have larger grafts, others smaller.
Additionally, some patients may seek to maximize every graft extracted by choosing a doctor who uses larger punches, b/c like strip patients they will never shave down past a certain point.
However, once identified as a patient who requires a larger punch, choices should be given to the patient before proceeding.
It should be the patients choice, with full disclosure, otherwise you will never have informed consent.
Take Care,
Jason
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bigmac
19.06.2008, 05:50
@ mwinston
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CIT secrets |
Why are you pursuing the so-called "Cole secrets"? Today, I read that Shapiro uses a 1.0 b/c it allows for almost not transectionand keeps some tissue around the grafts which helps minimize damage while they are handled. Seriously, Ya think of doing one with him Cole? I'd try calling... It could only be fun
Thank you for your comments however please allow CIT to answer my questions directed to him specifically on this open public forum as we are having a debate and his input is appreciated.No pursuing involved.
Yes you are correct about Dr Shapiro, however this question is directed to CIT. Thanks again.
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craig
19.06.2008, 14:13
@ the B spot
|
CIT secrets |
» I fail to see how this helps educate prospective patients as to their
» options when patients do not know what they are buying.
»
» At this point in time Dr. Shapiro is using a 1.0mm punch as we are
» currently doing FUE into scar tissue for repair. As mwinston has pointed
» out it helps to minimize transection AND helps retain a decent amount of
» tissue surrounding the graft.
»
» However, our mission is to trend downward in punch size and move toward
» the .8-.9mm punches and reserve the 1.0 only when needed/for scar repair.
»
» Dr. Shapiro recently spent time with Dr. Ilter and watched him work with a
» .75 in an effort to see this punch in operation at a high rate of
» extraction. We will be using the same punches as Dr. Ilter for the time
» being as they are fairly common and easy to use.
»
» It is ignorant to assume that 1 punch size will accomodate all patients,
» certain patients simply have larger grafts, others smaller.
»
» Additionally, some patients may seek to maximize every graft extracted by
» choosing a doctor who uses larger punches, b/c like strip patients they
» will never shave down past a certain point.
»
» However, once identified as a patient who requires a larger punch, choices
» should be given to the patient before proceeding.
»
» It should be the patients choice, with full disclosure, otherwise you will
» never have informed consent.
»
» Take Care,
» Jason
Jason do you work for Dr. Shapiro? How much does he charge for fue? Website?
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the B spot
19.06.2008, 16:10
@ craig
|
CIT secrets |
» » I fail to see how this helps educate prospective patients as to their
» » options when patients do not know what they are buying.
» »
» » At this point in time Dr. Shapiro is using a 1.0mm punch as we are
» » currently doing FUE into scar tissue for repair. As mwinston has
» pointed
» » out it helps to minimize transection AND helps retain a decent amount
» of
» » tissue surrounding the graft.
» »
» » However, our mission is to trend downward in punch size and move toward
» » the .8-.9mm punches and reserve the 1.0 only when needed/for scar
» repair.
» »
» » Dr. Shapiro recently spent time with Dr. Ilter and watched him work with
» a
» » .75 in an effort to see this punch in operation at a high rate of
» » extraction. We will be using the same punches as Dr. Ilter for the time
» » being as they are fairly common and easy to use.
» »
» » It is ignorant to assume that 1 punch size will accomodate all
» patients,
» » certain patients simply have larger grafts, others smaller.
» »
» » Additionally, some patients may seek to maximize every graft extracted
» by
» » choosing a doctor who uses larger punches, b/c like strip patients they
» » will never shave down past a certain point.
» »
» » However, once identified as a patient who requires a larger punch,
» choices
» » should be given to the patient before proceeding.
» »
» » It should be the patients choice, with full disclosure, otherwise you
» will
» » never have informed consent.
» »
» » Take Care,
» » Jason
»
» Jason do you work for Dr. Shapiro? How much does he charge for fue?
» Website?
Yes I do Craig-- I don't see my signature coming through so I'll amend it show my association.
Right now we are doing scar repairs at 5.00 per graft, and scar repair will never cost more than 1500.00, even if we resection some of the existing scar before doing FUE.
There are a select # of patients who have expressed an interest in temple points/hairline work, but we are not offering this portion publicly yet.
I expect to have some immed post-op pics soon, and some grown out results in the months to come-- this is just being offered by Dr. Shapiro and we are trying to very upfront about our methods and thought processes. I expect they will change as time goes on as we implement smaller tools.
Take Care,
Jason
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CIT
19.06.2008, 21:46
@ bigmac
|
BIGMAC - This is the official response to CIT trade secret |
fact » Why are you pursuing the so-called "Cole secrets"? Today, I read that
» Shapiro uses a 1.0 b/c it allows for almost not transectionand keeps some
» tissue around the grafts which helps minimize damage while they are
» handled. Seriously, Ya think of doing one with him Cole? I'd try calling...
» It could only be fun
»
» Thank you for your comments however please allow CIT to answer my
» questions directed to him specifically on this open public forum as we are
» having a debate and his input is appreciated.No pursuing involved.
»
» Yes you are correct about Dr Shapiro, however this question is directed to
» CIT. Thanks again.
Big Mac,
All aspects of Dr. Cole’s CIT and FIT procedure are patented, patent pending, or a closely guarded trade secret. No employee, former employee, or licensee is allowed to discuss or demonstrate any aspect of his procedure. His procedure today is a culmination of many technical advances over a very costly 6 year developmental process. With regard to punch size, it is a fact that Dr. Cole was the first to introduce the 0.75 mm punch in February 2003. He was the first to use one and he was the first to discuss it’s use in a public forum. CIT is a far more advanced procedure than a discussion about punch size. As you do your homework, you will find that only those with poor results try to sell their skills and work by scarring consumers about punches and punch size.
Physicians who wish to learn the CIT procedure may do so by purchasing a license agreement from Dr. Cole. Unlawful disclosures of Dr. Cole’s procedures, methods, or instruments will be met with legal action. Dr. Cole wishes to advance the field of hair transplant surgery, but he can only do so through continued investment by physicians who legally obtain license rights to his techniques and instruments. He is currently working on a much more advanced method of donor hair harvesting that will help to establish FUE as the dominant method of donor harvesting. Therefore, unless you wish to purchase a license, you should not concern yourself with his methods. Once you purchase the license, you will not be allowed to disclose. Dr. Cole has a proven technique with over 1250 results to date and over 2 million grafts harvested. Very few FUE physicians have similar grafts or results by FUE. Dr. Cole, FIT, and CIT are synonymous with quality and proven results.
CIT is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO ---
Toll Free: 800 368 4247
USA: 1 (678) 566-1011
Email: consults@forhair.com
www.forhair.com |
therapy
19.06.2008, 22:58
@ the B spot
|
CIT secrets |
» I fail to see how this helps educate prospective patients as to their
» options when patients do not know what they are buying.
»
» At this point in time Dr. Shapiro is using a 1.0mm punch as we are
» currently doing FUE into scar tissue for repair. As mwinston has pointed
» out it helps to minimize transection AND helps retain a decent amount of
» tissue surrounding the graft.
»
» However, our mission is to trend downward in punch size and move toward
» the .8-.9mm punches and reserve the 1.0 only when needed/for scar repair.
»
» Dr. Shapiro recently spent time with Dr. Ilter and watched him work with a
» .75 in an effort to see this punch in operation at a high rate of
» extraction. We will be using the same punches as Dr. Ilter for the time
» being as they are fairly common and easy to use.
»
» It is ignorant to assume that 1 punch size will accomodate all patients,
» certain patients simply have larger grafts, others smaller.
»
» Additionally, some patients may seek to maximize every graft extracted by
» choosing a doctor who uses larger punches, b/c like strip patients they
» will never shave down past a certain point.
»
» However, once identified as a patient who requires a larger punch, choices
» should be given to the patient before proceeding.
That is so true. I can't stand people (Hairtech and sometimes Bverotti ) who constantly breath down your neck saying that smaller punch is always better, that's a load of crap; not everyone has the same calibre hair and hair diameter !
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bigmac
20.06.2008, 05:37
@ CIT
|
BIGMAC - This is the official response to CIT trade secret |
CIT
Your statement that you “introduced” the .75 mm punch confuses me. By your own accounts, you did not learn FUE from the other doctors who embraced the technique before you. Rather, you invented your own surgery called CIT. If you did not learn from other docs, how would you even have known that you were the first to use the .75 mm. Furthermore, if it is your policy to hide your secret surgery from your peers and patients, it seems to me that you could not possibly have “introduced” the .75mm, or any other tool for that matter. Would you agree.
It is also worth noting that, in the past, your clinic was openly critical of the doctors who routinely use the .75 mm. You asserted that you tried the punch, observed that it did not work as well as your own larger tools, and then determined that the other clinics “touting” the .75 were/are “marketeers.” Can you clarify why you keep stating – online – over and over - that you “introduced” the .75 mm punch when, in your own estimation, it is not even a good tool for FUE or CIT? (It is sort of like saying that you invented the airplane that did not fly… or the light bulb that did not shine.) Also can you clarify why you cannot disclose the punch sizes that seem to work better. Seems like the logic is backward in that regard.
Finally, if you are only comfortable discussing .75 mm punches versus the larger punches that you seem to favor, can you disclose your actual experience using the .75 mm. Of the million + grafts that you and your staff claim to have extracted, how many were extracted with a .75mm. How many with the 1.0mm? The 1.1mm? The 1.2mm.
You said.Therefore, unless you wish to purchase a license, you should not concern yourself with his methods...”OK. Let’s not worry about methods. In reality, there is CIT and not quite CIT. They call this inferior procedure FUE.” Wait now I am worried about methods again! Your entire marketing campaign seems to be based on the very idea that, in your estimation, your method is greater than all other methods. Yet when you are asked to back up your claims you tell the public they mustn’t concern themselves with such issues. If you cannot even discuss what actually makes your method greater, you should consider just posting your results and letting readers decide what is superior.
Thanks again.
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CIT
20.06.2008, 21:20
(edited by CIT, 20.06.2008, 21:28)
@ bigmac
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