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ipod

07.06.2008, 16:38

Excessive hair cutting can cause hair loss (Hair Multiplication & Research)
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I found this on Google search and pubmed. Cutting our hair will interfere the flow of stem cells to the dermal papilla?

Cultural evolution as a possible triggering or causative factor of common baldness.

Yanez Soler AJ.

Graduate in Chemistry Studies, Diploma in Advanced Studies, Biotechnology Applied to Health Science, c/o Dos de Mayo 37, E03600 Elda Alicante, Spain.

Common baldness (alopecia) increasingly affects a higher number of individuals at earlier ages, independently of gender. One of the reasons could be lack of knowledge concerning its etiology. The human being has evolved to become a naked monkey, although there is no apparent reason to continue the evolutionary process up to becoming a bald monkey.

According to this theory, common baldness is a degenerative process derived from certain inadequate cultural practices, such as excessive hair cutting or certain types of haircuts that prevent contact among hairs themselves and limit outside contact in ways that would alleviate balding. Blocking the flow of sebum towards the base of the hair follicle - and so interfering with the arrival of the stem cells to the dermal papilla with consequent hair miniaturization - ends up being the first negative physiological effect derived from certain cultural habits. As time goes by, other mechanisms become altered, which leads to a less and less reversibility of the process.

PMID: 15142661

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Spanish Dude

07.06.2008, 17:15

@ ipod
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I have never cut my hair short, so in my case, this is not the problem, that is for sure.

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TAGOHL

08.06.2008, 02:00

@ ipod
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� Cultural evolution as a possible triggering or causative factor of
� common baldness.

This is total nonsense, and it's published in a journal (Medical Hypotheses) that is simply a collection of wacky pet theories.

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HanginInThere

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08.06.2008, 02:31

@ ipod
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� I found this on Google search and pubmed. Cutting our hair will interfere
� the flow of stem cells to the dermal papilla?
�
� Cultural evolution as a possible triggering or causative factor of
� common baldness.
�
� Yanez Soler AJ.
�
� Graduate in Chemistry Studies, Diploma in Advanced Studies, Biotechnology
� Applied to Health Science, c/o Dos de Mayo 37, E03600 Elda Alicante,
� Spain.
�
� Common baldness (alopecia) increasingly affects a higher number of
� individuals at earlier ages, independently of gender. One of the reasons
� could be lack of knowledge concerning its etiology. The human being has
� evolved to become a naked monkey, although there is no apparent reason to
� continue the evolutionary process up to becoming a bald monkey.
�
� According to this theory, common baldness is a degenerative process
� derived from certain inadequate cultural practices, such as excessive hair
� cutting or certain types of haircuts that prevent contact among hairs
� themselves and limit outside contact in ways that would alleviate balding.
� Blocking the flow of sebum towards the base of the hair follicle - and so
� interfering with the arrival of the stem cells to the dermal papilla with
� consequent hair miniaturization - ends up being the first negative
� physiological effect derived from certain cultural habits. As time goes by,
� other mechanisms become altered, which leads to a less and less
� reversibility of the process.
�
� PMID: 151426

yes and excess washing of the hair causes baldness
do not let the water touch your hair, the force of the water causes the follicles to get weak and shed...........make sense?

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fckhrls

08.06.2008, 02:48

@ HanginInThere
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� � I found this on Google search and pubmed. Cutting our hair will
� interfere
� � the flow of stem cells to the dermal papilla?
� �
� � Cultural evolution as a possible triggering or causative factor of
� � common baldness.
� �
� � Yanez Soler AJ.
� �
� � Graduate in Chemistry Studies, Diploma in Advanced Studies,
� Biotechnology
� � Applied to Health Science, c/o Dos de Mayo 37, E03600 Elda Alicante,
� � Spain.
� �
� � Common baldness (alopecia) increasingly affects a higher number of
� � individuals at earlier ages, independently of gender. One of the
� reasons
� � could be lack of knowledge concerning its etiology. The human being has
� � evolved to become a naked monkey, although there is no apparent reason
� to
� � continue the evolutionary process up to becoming a bald monkey.
� �
� � According to this theory, common baldness is a degenerative process
� � derived from certain inadequate cultural practices, such as excessive
� hair
� � cutting or certain types of haircuts that prevent contact among hairs
� � themselves and limit outside contact in ways that would alleviate
� balding.
� � Blocking the flow of sebum towards the base of the hair follicle - and
� so
� � interfering with the arrival of the stem cells to the dermal papilla
� with
� � consequent hair miniaturization - ends up being the first negative
� � physiological effect derived from certain cultural habits. As time goes
� by,
� � other mechanisms become altered, which leads to a less and less
� � reversibility of the process.
� �
� � PMID: 151426
�
� yes and excess washing of the hair causes baldness
� do not let the water touch your hair, the force of the water causes the
� follicles to get weak and shed...........make sense?

You forgot the sun. The sun's radiation damages the hair's cells.

Also, excessive TV viewing.

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brm

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08.06.2008, 16:09

@ fckhrls
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Yes and above all TV viewing of sunny landscapes (synergetic effect).

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debris

08.06.2008, 18:41

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� Yes and above all TV viewing of sunny landscapes (synergetic effect).

lol

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SDS1977

08.06.2008, 19:34

@ debris
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My dad always told me that his hairloss was due to excessive banging of his head into the headboard in bed.. My mom just rolls her eyes everytime he says that.. lol

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09.06.2008, 00:28

@ SDS1977
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� My dad always told me that his hairloss was due to excessive banging of his
� head into the headboard in bed.. My mom just rolls her eyes everytime he
� says that.. lol

lmaoooooo... but hey u never know it could be somewhat true.. i mean if the theory of evolution is true then it all makes some sense.... not saying its correct lol.. but if it is we have to figure out how to stop it!!! soon we would be all baldd!!!! what a nightmare lmaooooooo...... i luagh but you never know lol.

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brm

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09.06.2008, 19:30

@ SDS1977
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� My dad always told me that his hairloss was due to excessive banging of his
� head into the headboard in bed.. My mom just rolls her eyes everytime he
� says that.. lol

My dad always told me that his hairloss was due to excessive banging in bed... My mom just rolls her eyes everytime he says that.

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bug2

18.06.2008, 05:18

@ fckhrls
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� � � I found this on Google search and pubmed. Cutting our hair will
� � interfere
� � � the flow of stem cells to the dermal papilla?
� � �
� � � Cultural evolution as a possible triggering or causative factor of
� � � common baldness.
� � �
� � � Yanez Soler AJ.
� � �
� � � Graduate in Chemistry Studies, Diploma in Advanced Studies,
� � Biotechnology
� � � Applied to Health Science, c/o Dos de Mayo 37, E03600 Elda Alicante,
� � � Spain.
� � �
� � � Common baldness (alopecia) increasingly affects a higher number of
� � � individuals at earlier ages, independently of gender. One of the
� � reasons
� � � could be lack of knowledge concerning its etiology. The human being
� has
� � � evolved to become a naked monkey, although there is no apparent
� reason
� � to
� � � continue the evolutionary process up to becoming a bald monkey.
� � �
� � � According to this theory, common baldness is a degenerative process
� � � derived from certain inadequate cultural practices, such as excessive
� � hair
� � � cutting or certain types of haircuts that prevent contact among hairs
� � � themselves and limit outside contact in ways that would alleviate
� � balding.
� � � Blocking the flow of sebum towards the base of the hair follicle -
� and
� � so
� � � interfering with the arrival of the stem cells to the dermal papilla
� � with
� � � consequent hair miniaturization - ends up being the first negative
� � � physiological effect derived from certain cultural habits. As time
� goes
� � by,
� � � other mechanisms become altered, which leads to a less and less
� � � reversibility of the process.
� � �
� � � PMID: 151426
� �
� � yes and excess washing of the hair causes baldness
� � do not let the water touch your hair, the force of the water causes the
� � follicles to get weak and shed...........make sense?
�
� You forgot the sun. The sun's radiation damages the hair's cells.
�
� Also, excessive TV viewing.

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Armando Jose

23.06.2008, 13:10
(edited by Armando Jose, 23.06.2008, 13:28)

@ ipod
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468_file1.pdf

The author is trying to contribute his point of view in order to solve a problem that affects a high number of individuals, although he is also aware
that this thought-provoking theory will give rise a lot of skepticism.

Armando

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cal

23.06.2008, 13:56

@ Armando Jose
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If that author is bald himself, then he should investigate possible links between MPB and exposing follicles to fecal matter.

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Spanish Dude

23.06.2008, 21:57

@ Armando Jose
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� 468_file1.pdf
�
� The author is trying to contribute his point of view in order to solve a
� problem that affects a high number of individuals, although he is also
� aware
� that this thought-provoking theory will give rise a lot of skepticism.
�
� Armando

Hola Armando:

what you say about tonsure in women, causing balness, is interesting. Maybe you are right that very very short hair can induce baldness. But I think this would not be enough to explain common baldness. Normal people don't usually cut their hair so close.

As I have said, I have never cut my hair very short, and I am balding anyway.
also, I haven't done the military service. So I think what you say is not the cause in my case.

Also, why don't we bald in the beard, which is frequently shaved? Furthermore, why don't we bald in the moustasche, or under the chin, parts which are frequently shaved and don't get in contact with the pillow when we sleep?

You basically say that the problem is sebum accumulation in the follicle. But nowadays people shampoo their heads very frequently, so sebum accumulation should not be a problem at all, as shampoo dissolves sebum and takes it out very effectively.

I agree that simpler theories are better than complex ones, but they have to work.

I think your theory doesn't work, but if you think you have reasons to believe in your theory, go ahead, and try to test it to see if it is sustainable.

regards.

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baldbaby

23.06.2008, 22:34

@ ipod
and excessive hair loss can cause baldness....
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seriously, that study has got to be the stupidest thing i've ever seen concerning hairloss...

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Jtelecom

23.06.2008, 23:56

@ cal
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:lol:

What a sh*thead the author must be.

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Armando Jose

24.06.2008, 03:05

@ Spanish Dude
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� � 468_file1.pdf
� �
� � The author is trying to contribute his point of view in order to solve
� a
� � problem that affects a high number of individuals, although he is also
� � aware
� � that this thought-provoking theory will give rise a lot of skepticism.
� �
� � Armando
�
� Hola Armando:
�
� what you say about tonsure in women, causing balness, is interesting.
� Maybe you are right that very very short hair can induce baldness. But I
� think this would not be enough to explain common baldness. Normal people
� don't usually cut their hair so close.
�
� As I have said, I have never cut my hair very short, and I am balding
� anyway.
� also, I haven't done the military service. So I think what you say is not
� the cause in my case.
�
� Also, why don't we bald in the beard, which is frequently shaved?
� Furthermore, why don't we bald in the moustasche, or under the chin, parts
� which are frequently shaved and don't get in contact with the pillow when
� we sleep?
�
� You basically say that the problem is sebum accumulation in the follicle.
� But nowadays people shampoo their heads very frequently, so sebum
� accumulation should not be a problem at all, as shampoo dissolves sebum and
� takes it out very effectively.
�
� I agree that simpler theories are better than complex ones, but they have
� to work.
�
� I think your theory doesn't work, but if you think you have reasons to
� believe in your theory, go ahead, and try to test it to see if it is
� sustainable.
�
� regards.

Hi SpanishGuy;

Body hair is different to scalp hair. Scalp hair is more evolutionated than body hair and responds different.

Short or large hairs is relative. In my opinion, the minimun hair lenght to avoid common baldness is related with the genetical predisposition with density and thickness scalp hair (It is possible wear the hair short during all your life without suffer common baldness), but in the majority of the cases must be greater than 20 centimeters. Is it your case?

On the other hand, shampoo don't penetrate sufficient indeep in the pilosebaceous unit to disolve or eliminate the oxidiced sebum. This is the important problem, the "invisible" problem.

Tonsure is a key etnological test. Please see the photographs from Rodriguez de La Fuente in Venezuela (Yonimamos).
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Thank you for your advice, I'll try to convice me first, because current androgenetic theory is incapable.

Have a nice day

Armando

P.D. laugh all you want, but please, don't insult.

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Spanish Dude

24.06.2008, 16:46
(edited by Spanish Dude, 24.06.2008, 17:04)

@ Armando Jose
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Hi Armando:

1. do you know if the tonsured Yonimamo women get eventually bald? How do they tonsure them? by normal shaving or by plucking? I think I have seen in some documentary, I don't remember if the tribe was african or american, but they removed the hair using cords, I think the hairs were plucked out.

2. It is true that scalp hair is different than beard hair, so yes, in theory, it could behave differently. But if your theory relies on the idea that clogged sebum is poison, then this should affect any follicle, not just the scalp follicles.

3. You say that shampooing is not capable of penetrating deep enough in the follicle to remove sebum. are you sure about this? Many people say that shampooing is bad because it penetrates too deep into the follicle.
But, even if shampoo doesn't penetrate deep into the follicle, it is clear that it removes the sebum in the outside portion of the hair shaft, and thus, the sebum inside the follicle would tend to be "absorbed" by the dry hair outside, and this would be equivalent to the "pillow effect" you commented before.

4. Also, note that nowadays, people shampoo their hair everyday, so they remove all the sebum in the outside of the hair. Then the pillow won't absorb any amount of sebum from the hair, because this hair contains no sebum.

5. So I think sebum removal nowadays is guaranteed, and excess of sebum is not the problem.

6. Another effect you must account in, is the rate of hair growth.
According to my data, hair grows 0.33cm/day and this would drag sebum outwards. I think follicle depth is 5mm, so in 15 days you have the whole channel clean of old sebum. Except, maybe, the extreme bottom of the "pit".

7. Also, when hairs from the back of the head are transplanted to the bald top, they don't enjoy the pillow effect anymore, so they should die according to your theory. But they don't.

regards-SD

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Skywalker

24.06.2008, 18:50

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although he is also aware
that this thought-provoking theory will give rise a lot of skepticism.

scepticism -??? No, it is a valuable contribution which I will add next to the theory of the guy who was massaging his head with his own piss...

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cal

25.06.2008, 14:14

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Having sex with a virgin will also cure MPB.

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Armando Jose

27.06.2008, 02:10

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Hola:

Entre todos los comentarios, el tuyo es el mas inteligente. No se si conoces el foro de ganarpelo.org, me gustar�a verte por all�.

Observo que has comprendido mi idea y me gustaria contestarte.
Es una tribu existente en el amazonas, esta concretamente en Venezuela y usan la ca�a, para obtener una especie de cuchilla donde rasuran al cero.

El pelo como media crece 1 cm al mes, no un centimetro cada tres dias.

Un saludo

Armando

� Hi Armando:
�
� 1. do you know if the tonsured Yonimamo women get eventually bald? How do
� they tonsure them? by normal shaving or by plucking? I think I have seen in
� some documentary, I don't remember if the tribe was african or american,
� but they removed the hair using cords, I think the hairs were plucked out.
�
� 2. It is true that scalp hair is different than beard hair, so yes, in
� theory, it could behave differently. But if your theory relies on the idea
� that clogged sebum is poison, then this should affect any follicle, not
� just the scalp follicles.
�
� 3. You say that shampooing is not capable of penetrating deep enough in
� the follicle to remove sebum. are you sure about this? Many people say that
� shampooing is bad because it penetrates too deep into the follicle.
� But, even if shampoo doesn't penetrate deep into the follicle, it is clear
� that it removes the sebum in the outside portion of the hair shaft, and
� thus, the sebum inside the follicle would tend to be "absorbed" by the dry
� hair outside, and this would be equivalent to the "pillow effect" you
� commented before.
�
� 4. Also, note that nowadays, people shampoo their hair everyday, so they
� remove all the sebum in the outside of the hair. Then the pillow won't
� absorb any amount of sebum from the hair, because this hair contains no
� sebum.
�
� 5. So I think sebum removal nowadays is guaranteed, and excess of sebum is
� not the problem.
�
� 6. Another effect you must account in, is the rate of hair growth.
� According to my data, hair grows 0.33cm/day and this would drag sebum
� outwards. I think follicle depth is 5mm, so in 15 days you have the whole
� channel clean of old sebum. Except, maybe, the extreme bottom of the
� "pit".
�
� 7. Also, when hairs from the back of the head are transplanted to the bald
� top, they don't enjoy the pillow effect anymore, so they should die
� according to your theory. But they don't.
�
� regards-SD
�
� p.d. (I am SpanishDude, not SpanishGuy. I think there is another person
� nicknamed SpanishGuy in a spanish hairloss forum, but it is not me.)

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