TAGOHL
19.06.2008, 20:46 |
Follica pictures (Hair Multiplication & Research) |
This was posted on another site. My apologies if it's already been posted here:
http://tressless.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/follica-neogenesis.jpg
You've got six pics. The top 3 are befores, and their respective afters are below each one.
1) A wound + a WNT inhibitor (hair growth inhibition)
2) A wound (new hair follicles)
3) A wound + WNT (many new hair follicles)
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omgIamBald
19.06.2008, 21:03
@ TAGOHL
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Follica pictures, the question is... |
can they acutally control the # of hair follicles with wnt protein? or is it just "random" number of additional follicles form..?
» This was posted on another site. My apologies if it's already been posted
» here:
»
» http://tressless.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/follica-neogenesis.jpg
»
» You've got six pics. The top 3 are befores, and their respective afters
» are below each one.
»
» 1) A wound + a WNT inhibitor (hair growth inhibition)
» 2) A wound (new hair follicles)
» 3) A wound + WNT (many new hair follicles)
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TAGOHL
19.06.2008, 21:08
@ omgIamBald
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Follica pictures, the question is... |
» can they acutally control the # of hair follicles with wnt protein?
I don't think they will have that kind of control. What you get is what you get. I assume their final protocol will try to maximize the number of follicles created.
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benji
19.06.2008, 23:36
@ TAGOHL
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Follica pictures, the question is... |
» » can they acutally control the # of hair follicles with wnt protein?
»
» I don't think they will have that kind of control. What you get is what
» you get. I assume their final protocol will try to maximize the number of
» follicles created.
the guy that runs tressless shown me these a while back............and I was impressed---I had tried to post that here but the link wouldn't send. It was in my HLT email.
perhaps the procedure could be performed a second time for those who didn't get as much hair as they had hoped for the first time?
If epidermal cells can be made to make hair cells, adjuvants hopefully be able to coax the process along to make a decent density and quality of made-hairs. Im hoping they can somehow decrease AR-expression during the time these hairs are made so the new hair is less likely to be sensitive to male hormone over time.
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biston
20.06.2008, 01:53
@ benji
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Follica pictures, the question is... |
this is the proof that follica works?
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bug2
20.06.2008, 01:55
@ TAGOHL
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Follica pictures |
I have the full study with these pictures. These aren't before and after pictures. The top and bottom pictures represent different staining techniques. The top row is stained for the KRT17 protein while the bottom row is stained for alkaline phosphatase activity.
bug
» This was posted on another site. My apologies if it's already been posted
» here:
»
» http://tressless.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/follica-neogenesis.jpg
»
» You've got six pics. The top 3 are befores, and their respective afters
» are below each one.
»
» 1) A wound + a WNT inhibitor (hair growth inhibition)
» 2) A wound (new hair follicles)
» 3) A wound + WNT (many new hair follicles)
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Mr.Fantastic
20.06.2008, 02:35
@ bug2
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Follica pictures |
» I have the full study with these pictures. These aren't before and after
» pictures. The top and bottom pictures represent different staining
» techniques. The top row is stained for the KRT17 protein while the bottom
» row is stained for alkaline phosphatase activity.
»
» bug
»
»
»
» » This was posted on another site. My apologies if it's already been
» posted
» » here:
» »
» »
» http://tressless.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/follica-neogenesis.jpg
» »
» » You've got six pics. The top 3 are befores, and their respective afters
» » are below each one.
» »
» » 1) A wound + a WNT inhibitor (hair growth inhibition)
» » 2) A wound (new hair follicles)
» » 3) A wound + WNT (many new hair follicles)
I told you guys it he was really Maneless.
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bug2
20.06.2008, 02:38
@ Mr.Fantastic
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Follica pictures |
» » I have the full study with these pictures. These aren't before and after
» » pictures. The top and bottom pictures represent different staining
» » techniques. The top row is stained for the KRT17 protein while the
» bottom
» » row is stained for alkaline phosphatase activity.
» »
» » bug
» »
» »
» »
» » » This was posted on another site. My apologies if it's already been
» » posted
» » » here:
» » »
» » »
» »
» http://tressless.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/follica-neogenesis.jpg
» » »
» » » You've got six pics. The top 3 are befores, and their respective
» afters
» » » are below each one.
» » »
» » » 1) A wound + a WNT inhibitor (hair growth inhibition)
» » » 2) A wound (new hair follicles)
» » » 3) A wound + WNT (many new hair follicles)
» I told you guys it he was really Maneless.
I am Ernie! I told you all plucking would work!
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Mr.Fantastic
20.06.2008, 02:48
@ bug2
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Follica pictures |
» » » I have the full study with these pictures. These aren't before and
» after
» » » pictures. The top and bottom pictures represent different staining
» » » techniques. The top row is stained for the KRT17 protein while the
» » bottom
» » » row is stained for alkaline phosphatase activity.
» » »
» » » bug
» » »
» » »
» » »
» » » » This was posted on another site. My apologies if it's already been
» » » posted
» » » » here:
» » » »
» » » »
» » »
» »
» http://tressless.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/follica-neogenesis.jpg
» » » »
» » » » You've got six pics. The top 3 are befores, and their respective
» » afters
» » » » are below each one.
» » » »
» » » » 1) A wound + a WNT inhibitor (hair growth inhibition)
» » » » 2) A wound (new hair follicles)
» » » » 3) A wound + WNT (many new hair follicles)
» » I told you guys it he was really Maneless.
»
» I am Ernie! I told you all plucking would work!
I remember Ernie. Wow, that was so long ago. If I remember right, he did talk about plucking among other things. He spent half his time here defending himself just like maneless. I felt really bad for him... unless unless,,, Ernie was really one of Maneless's aliases-- lol.
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Max
20.06.2008, 04:45
@ Mr.Fantastic
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Follica pictures |
Did Follica try on his people started or are pictures of mice?
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rev
20.06.2008, 04:59
@ Max
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Follica pictures |
» Did Follica try on his people started or are pictures of mice?
mice of course. it's always mice.
humans will have a serious lawsuit on their hands when mice learn how to speak.
.
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Max
20.06.2008, 05:07
@ rev
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Follica pictures |
Your English is for me not clear enough, I come from Europe.
If they want it when people finally test?
They wanted to make this summer, or not?
Please simply englich.Thanks
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biston
20.06.2008, 05:53
@ rev
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Follica pictures |
» » Did Follica try on his people started or are pictures of mice?
» mice of course. it's always mice.
» humans will have a serious lawsuit on their hands when mice learn how to
» speak.
hahaha
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Max
20.06.2008, 06:47
@ biston
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Follica pictures |
» » » Did Follica try on his people started or are pictures of mice?
» » mice of course. it's always mice.
» » humans will have a serious lawsuit on their hands when mice learn how
» to
» » speak.
»
»
» hahaha
funny...real!...pleas
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Amilcar
20.06.2008, 08:43
@ TAGOHL
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Follica pictures I already posted it |
posted it in answer to OmgImBald
» This was posted on another site. My apologies if it's already been posted
» here:
»
» http://tressless.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/follica-neogenesis.jpg
»
» You've got six pics. The top 3 are befores, and their respective afters
» are below each one.
»
» 1) A wound + a WNT inhibitor (hair growth inhibition)
» 2) A wound (new hair follicles)
» 3) A wound + WNT (many new hair follicles)
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Here is the future :
![[image]](http://www.monsterup.com/upload/1220481775.jpg) |
blackjak
20.06.2008, 11:36
@ biston
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Follica pictures, the question is... |
» this is the proof that follica works?
I am not impressed with these pics at all. All I saw was red dots, they don't look anything like hair follicles to me. What am I missing?
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baldbaby
20.06.2008, 12:42
@ TAGOHL
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Follica pictures |
» This was posted on another site. My apologies if it's already been posted
» here:
»
» http://tressless.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/follica-neogenesis.jpg
»
» You've got six pics. The top 3 are befores, and their respective afters
» are below each one.
»
» 1) A wound + a WNT inhibitor (hair growth inhibition)
» 2) A wound (new hair follicles)
» 3) A wound + WNT (many new hair follicles)
i think we can assume that's a mouse or rat, not a human.
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biston
20.06.2008, 17:07
@ baldbaby
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Follica pictures |
but this is an human
![[image]](http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/img/uploaded/129_image1.jpg)
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omgIamBald
20.06.2008, 19:11
@ biston
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Follica pictures |
but, not from follica..
» but this is an human
»
»
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baldbaby
20.06.2008, 20:19
@ omgIamBald
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Follica pictures |
» but, not from follica..
»
»
» » but this is an human
nice picture, but where is the before picture?
and are you saying that this is the result of some kind of follica-like procedure?
is it a wounding process?
was the wounding done on purpose to regrow hair, or as a result of an injury?
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cal
20.06.2008, 22:18
@ baldbaby
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Follica pictures |
You're out of the loop. We've been discussing this case heavily for the last week.
The pic is of a terminal cancer patient who unexpectedly regrew this hair on his head while taking oral Gentifib (which is probably the main drug that Folica will use).
This patient wasn't doing any hair-oriented regimen or anything. No depilation, no waiting 3 days, no scalp wounding, no waiting 3-5 days after that, and no stoppage of the drug after the 7-10 day critical period. He just took the pills long-term and this was what his head looked like about 3 months after he started the drug.
It doesn't happen to the majority of Gentifib patients or anything, but the core possibility is demonstrated - Folica's raw idea is not crazy.
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Baccy
21.06.2008, 11:48
@ cal
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Been Experimenting |
10 days ago, I sanded the entire top of my scalp. I'm Norwood 7 and shave my head so there is no hair there to 'inconvenience' the procedure. For the first few days, I applied a mix of Lithium Orotate, caffeine and emu oil.
I am now applying a mix of quercetin (known to inhibit tyrosin kinase), dmso, lithium orotate and caffeine mixed into a 60ml bottle of minoxidil. As I have no hair on top, any results should be obvious. I don't own a digital camera but if I should get any results worth talking about, I'll obtain one and post pictures.
However, I'm getting awful side effects and may have to cut down on the quantity of lithium. Basically, I just broke about 6x120mg capsules into the minoxidil bottle, about half teaspoon of caffeine and about four tablets (each 100mg) of quercetin. The side effects range from very bad (chest pressure like a panic attack, shortness of breath) to milder effects such as dizziness and muscle aches and anxiety. I'll keep you guys apprised IF there is anything to shout about.
Oh and every couple of days, I'm using a 0.5mm dermaroller over my scalp before applying the topical.
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Willy
21.06.2008, 12:16
@ Baccy
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Been Experimenting |
Thanks for letting us know whats going on with you Baccy.......I would have to say that we all have our fingers crossed that you get positive results .......maybe you should get checked by your doc though if your getting those side effects just to make sure your ok ? (I know that is a pain in the butt but it is worth it)
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Amilcar
21.06.2008, 12:42
@ Willy
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Been Experimenting |
We surely have our fingers crossed for you ..
I suggest that you listen to nice joyful music so that you reduce the psychological side effects.
I'm also tempted to recommend chocolate, for the same psychological sides, to you but who knows may be it has some inhibiting power for something you need in this process.
Anyway hope the best.
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Here is the future :
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baldbaby
21.06.2008, 15:33
@ Baccy
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Been Experimenting |
» 10 days ago, I sanded the entire top of my scalp. I'm Norwood 7 and shave
» my head so there is no hair there to 'inconvenience' the procedure. For the
» first few days, I applied a mix of Lithium Orotate, caffeine and emu oil.
» I am now applying a mix of quercetin (known to inhibit tyrosin kinase),
» dmso, lithium orotate and caffeine mixed into a 60ml bottle of minoxidil.
» As I have no hair on top, any results should be obvious. I don't own a
» digital camera but if I should get any results worth talking about, I'll
» obtain one and post pictures.
» However, I'm getting awful side effects and may have to cut down on the
» quantity of lithium. Basically, I just broke about 6x120mg capsules into
» the minoxidil bottle, about half teaspoon of caffeine and about four
» tablets (each 100mg) of quercetin. The side effects range from very bad
» (chest pressure like a panic attack, shortness of breath) to milder effects
» such as dizziness and muscle aches and anxiety. I'll keep you guys
» apprised IF there is anything to shout about.
»
» Oh and every couple of days, I'm using a 0.5mm dermaroller over my scalp
» before applying the topical.
baccy, 2 questions:
1. i thought u were an icx trialist, or planned to be. won't this affect their results or maybe eliminate you as a trialist in the future?
2. the fact that ur a nw 7 is important. most of us guys are much lower on the norwood scale than u are... i am about a 3.5. HOW will this whole wounding/sanding/dermabrading thing work on us... u mentioned there is no hair to "inconvenience"... well, what about the rest of us who have a substantial amount of hair to "inconvenience".... how will this affect our ability to benefit from follica.
i don't see anyone here addressing that question. the vast majority of us balding guys still have substantial hair on our heads. we would like to preserve that hair, and possibly to increase its growth. NOT to risk losing it by dermabrading our scalps over the remaining hair we have.
how will follica address this question/issue?
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dave21
21.06.2008, 15:37
@ baldbaby
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Been Experimenting |
» » 10 days ago, I sanded the entire top of my scalp. I'm Norwood 7 and
» shave
» » my head so there is no hair there to 'inconvenience' the procedure. For
» the
» » first few days, I applied a mix of Lithium Orotate, caffeine and emu
» oil.
» » I am now applying a mix of quercetin (known to inhibit tyrosin kinase),
» » dmso, lithium orotate and caffeine mixed into a 60ml bottle of
» minoxidil.
» » As I have no hair on top, any results should be obvious. I don't own a
» » digital camera but if I should get any results worth talking about,
» I'll
» » obtain one and post pictures.
» » However, I'm getting awful side effects and may have to cut down on the
» » quantity of lithium. Basically, I just broke about 6x120mg capsules
» into
» » the minoxidil bottle, about half teaspoon of caffeine and about four
» » tablets (each 100mg) of quercetin. The side effects range from very bad
» » (chest pressure like a panic attack, shortness of breath) to milder
» effects
» » such as dizziness and muscle aches and anxiety. I'll keep you guys
» » apprised IF there is anything to shout about.
» »
» » Oh and every couple of days, I'm using a 0.5mm dermaroller over my
» scalp
» » before applying the topical.
»
» baccy, 2 questions:
»
» 1. i thought u were an icx trialist, or planned to be. won't this affect
» their results or maybe eliminate you as a trialist in the future?
»
» 2. the fact that ur a nw 7 is important. most of us guys are much lower
» on the norwood scale than u are... i am about a 3.5. HOW will this whole
» wounding/sanding/dermabrading thing work on us... u mentioned there is no
» hair to "inconvenience"... well, what about the rest of us who have a
» substantial amount of hair to "inconvenience".... how will this affect our
» ability to benefit from follica.
»
» i don't see anyone here addressing that question. the vast majority of
» us balding guys still have substantial hair on our heads. we would like
» to preserve that hair, and possibly to increase its growth. NOT to risk
» losing it by dermabrading our scalps over the remaining hair we have.
»
» how will follica address this question/issue?
I'm pretty sure Benji said before that the dermabrasion isn't deep enough to affect the existing follicles...
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baldbaby
21.06.2008, 16:18
(edited by baldbaby, 21.06.2008, 16:36)
@ dave21
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Been Experimenting |
» I'm pretty sure Benji said before that the dermabrasion isn't deep enough
» to affect the existing follicles...
how do we know that for sure?
did benji take measurements?
what if the difference between destroying a follicle and not destroying a follicle is, like, 0.7 millimeter?
i'm just kidding about that, of course... the difference is probably greater than that. but still, how close can we afford to cut it, when we're talking about risking our precious follicles here?
can we take that risk?
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debris
21.06.2008, 16:39
(edited by debris, 21.06.2008, 16:45)
@ baldbaby
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I would not worry about hair that prevents you from using this method |
My prediction is that it will grow vellous hair, possibly some thin semi terminal there and there, nothing that will be exciting enough to jump on it. I think even follica is aware of it. It will need significantly more than just lithium and dermabrassion.
chances that I'm wrong and baccy will grow some useable coverage are next to nothing. Even though, I do think its unfair to him, us, and everyone who has to go through this. FCK HAIRLOSS.
Good luck anyway Baccy.
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biston
21.06.2008, 16:57
@ cal
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Follica pictures |
» The pic is of a terminal cancer patient who unexpectedly regrew this hair
» on his head while taking oral Gentifib (which is probably the main drug
» that Folica will use).
that's why I posted img  sorry
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Baccy
21.06.2008, 17:12
@ baldbaby
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Been Experimenting |
What I meant by 'inconveniencing' is that it should be very apparent whether my experiment is working as I have no other hair there to mistake for new growth. I can also get a full abrasion over a large area without just sanding bits here and there.
If it fails this time ie: if I don't get some new growth 2 or 3 weeks from now (making a total of about a month since initial wounding) I will try again as I'm sure we can replicate Follica's procedure to a certain extent.
I don't want dense, luxurious hair. Just a vague shadow will satisfy me.
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Travis Bickle
Post strip surgery HELL,
21.06.2008, 17:13
@ biston
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Follica pictures |
I want a non surgical solution to hairloss more then anybody in the world. BELIEVE ME !! I am damaged beyond conventional repair & have been contemplating suicide for some time now. If it was a simple thing to do I would have done it by now. I am not here for sympathy I am just here to make a point. Saying all of that,I think it is the height of stupidity that guys here think that will find a solution when the worlds smartest & most experienced people haven’t even come close.
I wish u all the best in your trials & hope you don’t do serious harm to yourself.
Travis
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baldbaby
21.06.2008, 17:17
@ Baccy
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Been Experimenting |
» What I meant by 'inconveniencing' is that it should be very apparent
» whether my experiment is working as I have no other hair there to mistake
» for new growth. I can also get a full abrasion over a large area without
» just sanding bits here and there.
» If it fails this time ie: if I don't get some new growth 2 or 3 weeks from
» now (making a total of about a month since initial wounding) I will try
» again as I'm sure we can replicate Follica's procedure to a certain
» extent.
» I don't want dense, luxurious hair. Just a vague shadow will satisfy me.
thankx, baccy.
and what of your interest in being a trialist for icx?
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baldbaby
21.06.2008, 17:20
(edited by baldbaby, 21.06.2008, 17:28)
@ debris
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I would not worry about hair that prevents you from using this method |
» My prediction is that it will grow vellous hair, possibly some thin semi
» terminal there and there, nothing that will be exciting enough to jump on
» it. I think even follica is aware of it. It will need significantly more
» than just lithium and dermabrassion.
debris, i think you're right.
this follica method will probably grow some hair, but way too thin and sparse to be considered anything near a real cure.
my prediction is that it'll be about the same, or possibly worse than rogaine in terms of effects.
and i don't think lithium is the answer to anything with regards to hair.
lithium is just a chemical element, the same thing that they give to people with manic depression (bipolar disorder).
how in the hell can putting this random chemical on your head make substantial new hair grow?
VERY unlikely.
i think all these ppl talking about lithium are just imagining things.
they're just taking some random anecdotal evidence they heard linking lithium to hairgrowth in some animal experiment or something, and extrapolating that it'll make lots of new hair grow on guys with mpb.
when has it ever been proven, even remotely proven???
now, if a hm company like icx adopts the dermabrasion method and combines it with injecting dp cells, that's something entirely different.
combining hm + dermabrasion might be the answer we're looking for, but it'll require testing from ground zero...
but i think it'll work. the dermabrasion will release a bunch of stem cells and majorly jack up the effectiveness of the hm.
cells are the only answer, my friends. NOT putting some random chemical powder or soup on your head.
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dave21
21.06.2008, 17:37
@ Travis Bickle
|
Follica pictures |
» I want a non surgical solution to hairloss more then anybody in the world.
» BELIEVE ME !! I am damaged beyond conventional repair & have been
» contemplating suicide for some time now. If it was a simple thing to do I
» would have done it by now. I am not here for sympathy I am just here to
» make a point. Saying all of that,I think it is the height of stupidity that
» guys here think that will find a solution when the worlds smartest & most
» experienced people haven’t even come close.
» I wish u all the best in your trials & hope you don’t do serious harm to
» yourself.
»
» Travis
Travis, you should look into BHT with Dr. Umar
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goata007
21.06.2008, 17:45
@ dave21
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Follica pictures |
» Travis, you should look into BHT with Dr. Umar
or perhaps wait a month and see how ACELL testing goes. There are few people looking into trying that stuff on their heads to heal scars & possibly regrow hair.
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goata007
21.06.2008, 17:48
@ baldbaby
|
I would not worry about hair that prevents you from using this method |
» » My prediction is that it will grow vellous hair, possibly some thin semi
» » terminal there and there, nothing that will be exciting enough to jump
» on
» » it. I think even follica is aware of it. It will need significantly
» more
» » than just lithium and dermabrassion.
»
» debris, i think you're right.
»
» this follica method will probably grow some hair, but way too thin and
» sparse to be considered anything near a real cure.
»
» my prediction is that it'll be about the same, or possibly worse than
» rogaine in terms of effects.
»
» and i don't think lithium is the answer to anything with regards to hair.
»
» lithium is just a chemical element, the same thing that they give to
» people with manic depression (bipolar disorder).
»
» how in the hell can putting this random chemical on your head make
» substantial new hair grow?
»
» VERY unlikely.
»
» i think all these ppl talking about lithium are just imagining things.
»
» they're just taking some random anecdotal evidence they heard linking
» lithium to hairgrowth in some animal experiment or something, and
» extrapolating that it'll make lots of new hair grow on guys with mpb.
»
» when has it ever been proven, even remotely proven???
»
» now, if a hm company like icx adopts the dermabrasion method and combines
» it with injecting dp cells, that's something entirely different.
»
» combining hm + dermabrasion might be the answer we're looking for, but
» it'll require testing from ground zero...
»
» but i think it'll work. the dermabrasion will release a bunch of stem
» cells and majorly jack up the effectiveness of the hm.
»
» cells are the only answer, my friends. NOT putting some random chemical
» powder or soup on your head.
baldbaby, that is the stupidest post I've read in a while....Did you even read several long threads in which we discussed these procedures??? Did you see that Fuchs' video that I posted about how WNT signalling increases follicles?
Btw, lithium mimics WNT signalling...it's not a random chemical!
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goata007
21.06.2008, 17:54
@ Travis Bickle
|
Follica pictures |
» I want a non surgical solution to hairloss more then anybody in the world.
» BELIEVE ME !! I am damaged beyond conventional repair & have been
» contemplating suicide for some time now. If it was a simple thing to do I
» would have done it by now. I am not here for sympathy I am just here to
» make a point. Saying all of that,I think it is the height of stupidity that
» guys here think that will find a solution when the worlds smartest & most
» experienced people haven’t even come close.
» I wish u all the best in your trials & hope you don’t do serious harm to
» yourself.
»
» Travis
Well, these same smart/experiened people debunked new hair growth after scars 50 years ago!! If these smart people actually looked into it, we probably would have a cure long time ago.
I think the biggest problem is that most people just obsess over DHT. DHT only damages the follicles, so taking a DHT inhibitor will almost stop your hairloss but it Won't reverse hairloss. The stuff we're discussing here falls into regenerative medicine category i.e. Follica & ACELL. Follica methods essentially creates new hair (what Baccy is attempting to do by following the procedure). ACELL supposedly resets the biological time-clock & reverses the damage and it will be available next month, so we'll know for sure.
No one is trying to outsmart the smart guys, we're just following what they are doing and seeing if we can get any regrowth before it's officaly marketed.
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goata007
21.06.2008, 17:57
@ Baccy
|
Been Experimenting |
» What I meant by 'inconveniencing' is that it should be very apparent
» whether my experiment is working as I have no other hair there to mistake
» for new growth. I can also get a full abrasion over a large area without
» just sanding bits here and there.
» If it fails this time ie: if I don't get some new growth 2 or 3 weeks from
» now (making a total of about a month since initial wounding) I will try
» again as I'm sure we can replicate Follica's procedure to a certain
» extent.
» I don't want dense, luxurious hair. Just a vague shadow will satisfy me.
Baccy, why don't you try of the Copper-peptides from SkinBiology? They will help reconstruct the damaged skin (bald scalp is thinner), which should definitely help with hair growth.
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Amilcar
21.06.2008, 18:17
@ goata007
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RIGHT |
Good point goata007 : we are trying to be neutral here not getting emotionally invovled ...and having a purely scientific attitude all the time..Acell,Follica are something and no body can deny that. Just look at the last Acell trial info and you'll understand what we are talking about ..We are talking about opening a window of opportunity and tricking the body aka : the stem cells to think that they need to build again some parts of the body.
In BTW : Here in my country there had always been numerous reports about bald persons that were capable of regrowing hair through wounding the scalp and rubbing garlic all over the wounded areas..Here is one other piece of information that matches the many converging indicators that do all confirm the reliability of the follica approach .
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Here is the future :
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Travis Bickle
Post strip surgery HELL,
21.06.2008, 19:11
@ dave21
|
dave21 |
»
» Travis, you should look into BHT with Dr. Umar
As children we were made to believe that Santa Claus & the Tooth Ferry where very real.There was MASS ADVERTISING & holidays to fool us.When we got older we found out the truth.
Don’t believe everything you see & hear my friend. TAKE THIS HINT VERY SERIOUSLY.
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It’s only after a bald man is butchered by a strip surgeon that he realises that there is nothing wrong with being bald.
It’s better to be naturally bald then disfigured. |
goata007
21.06.2008, 19:16
@ Amilcar
|
RIGHT |
» In BTW : Here in my country there had always been numerous reports about
» bald persons that were capable of regrowing hair through wounding the scalp
» and rubbing garlic all over the wounded areas..Here is one other piece of
» information that matches the many converging indicators that do all confirm
» the reliability of the follica approach .
Where are you from? is it suppose to regrow existing hair or create new hair?
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Amilcar
21.06.2008, 19:27
@ goata007
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RIGHT |
de novo hair goata, my country is Tunisia , and this is a traditional medicine , I heared about this stuff , for the 1st time, long time ago may be something like 8 years..and that is a quite known operation in our traditinal medicine ..
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Here is the future :
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benji
21.06.2008, 20:15
@ baldbaby
|
Been Experimenting |
» » I'm pretty sure Benji said before that the dermabrasion isn't deep
» enough
» » to affect the existing follicles...
»
» how do we know that for sure?
»
» did benji take measurements?
»
» what if the difference between destroying a follicle and not destroying a
» follicle is, like, 0.7 millimeter?
»
» i'm just kidding about that, of course... the difference is probably
» greater than that. but still, how close can we afford to cut it, when
» we're talking about risking our precious follicles here?
»
» can we take that risk?
there would be blood everywhere if you went deep enough to disturb an anagen follicle................large difference. Youre not supposed to bleed with dermabrasion. Anagen hair follicles, if I remember correctly, are on the order of 2mm to 4mm deep (its been a long time since I read this). Dermabrasion is simply taking the epidermal layer and the stratum cornelium off the skin.....much higher up.
Word of warning....................I would not try the abrasion-protocol at home unless I had read that patent over and over and had at least three of the adjunctives they mention---with one definitely being a non-naturally occuring egf-inhibitor. It would be a shame to abrade your head (it will hurt, and it will hurt for a few days), withold from shampooing for a while, all for nothing.
Frankly, we dont even know if it works yet on bald scalp. Thats why I want them to test it. I do anticipate, it working in the donor area or the body. I cant imagine why it wouldn't in those places. Even if it works like a charm, one will still probably have to use some anti-androgen (spiro, fluridil, finasteride, revivogen, etc) to keep it in all likleyhood.
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MPB
21.06.2008, 21:38
@ Travis Bickle
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dave21 |
>>>It’s only after a bald man is butchered by a strip surgeon that he realises that there is nothing wrong with being bald.
It’s better to be naturally bald then disfigured.
That's kind of subjective. I consider being bald a disfigurement on its own.
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goata007
21.06.2008, 21:59
@ MPB
|
dave21 |
» That's kind of subjective. I consider being bald a disfigurement on its
» own.
+1...It's all relative my friend!
I came across a study, and basically the essence of it was that Non-balding people don't really care/think of balding as a negative thing. On the other hand, most balding people are really affected by it, psychologically, and baldness often leads to depression.
It also made a point about how non-balding men usually don't think of baldness as a negative thing, however, women do!
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cal
21.06.2008, 23:22
@ goata007
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dave21 |
Ask women if they care about a bald head. Most say no or it wouldn't be a huge deal if they liked the guy.
But try asking women if they care about their man's image/style being ruined, all his worst facial features being accentuated, and looking 10 years older than he really is.
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Mr.Fantastic
21.06.2008, 23:44
@ Baccy
|
Been Experimenting |
» 10 days ago, I sanded the entire top of my scalp. I'm Norwood 7 and shave
» my head so there is no hair there to 'inconvenience' the procedure. For the
» first few days, I applied a mix of Lithium Orotate, caffeine and emu oil.
» I am now applying a mix of quercetin (known to inhibit tyrosin kinase),
» dmso, lithium orotate and caffeine mixed into a 60ml bottle of minoxidil.
» As I have no hair on top, any results should be obvious. I don't own a
» digital camera but if I should get any results worth talking about, I'll
» obtain one and post pictures.
» However, I'm getting awful side effects and may have to cut down on the
» quantity of lithium. Basically, I just broke about 6x120mg capsules into
» the minoxidil bottle, about half teaspoon of caffeine and about four
» tablets (each 100mg) of quercetin. The side effects range from very bad
» (chest pressure like a panic attack, shortness of breath) to milder effects
» such as dizziness and muscle aches and anxiety. I'll keep you guys
» apprised IF there is anything to shout about.
»
» Oh and every couple of days, I'm using a 0.5mm dermaroller over my scalp
» before applying the topical.
Lithium with dmso as a topical. Urgh, that can be bad. Good luck and thanks for keeping informed. You'd better monitor yourself as that stuff will go far more than your derm.
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AJ
21.06.2008, 23:51
@ cal
|
dave21 |
About 20 years ago when I was starting to lose my hair (and it was not really noticeable to anybody except me), I was having a conversation with a married female friend, who was probably in her late 20's at the time. This girl was the nicest, most down-to-earth girl you could ever meet.
For some reason the conversation got on hair loss, and she stated it would really bother her if her husband started losing his hair. I really valued her opinion, and this really devastated me at the time. Of course I didn't say anything, but I was thinking, "YOU would be bothered by it! What about HIM!!!!". Anyway, I know she wouldn't have said that if she knew I was losing my hair. But it was an eye-opener to see how women really feel about hairloss.
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TAGOHL
22.06.2008, 00:39
@ baldbaby
|
I would not worry about hair that prevents you from using this method |
» this follica method will probably grow some hair, but way too thin and
» sparse to be considered anything near a real cure.
Well, Follica is going to use dermabrasion plus an EGF inhibitor. The EGF inhibitors alone can produce dense, terminal hair growth in some odd cases. Add on the dermabrasion, and I suspect you'll get a good density of terminal hairs.
» lithium is just a chemical element, the same thing that they give to
» people with manic depression (bipolar disorder).
Lithium also activates the Wnt and beta-catenin pathways, which are important in hair follicle biology. Lithium is mentioned in Follica's earlier patents, BTW. Wnt is the reason why people are using lithium.
» now, if a hm company like icx adopts the dermabrasion method and combines
» it with injecting dp cells, that's something entirely different.
The latest ICX protocol does use abrasion, and it substantially improves HM results.
» combining hm + dermabrasion might be the answer we're looking for, but
» it'll require testing from ground zero...
HM hasn't lived up to the promise. HM was discovered almost 25 years ago, and multiple attempts to bring it to market have not succeeded. This should tell you something. Don't hold your breath...
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TAGOHL
22.06.2008, 00:46
@ TAGOHL
|
I would not worry about hair that prevents you from using this method |
» Lithium also activates the Wnt and beta-catenin pathways, which are
» important in hair follicle biology. Lithium is mentioned in Follica's
» earlier patents, BTW. Wnt is the reason why people are using lithium.
Here's the study (done by Dr. Cotsarelis) that started Follica:
Wnt-dependent de novo hair follicle regeneration in adult mouse skin after wounding. Nature. 2007 May 17;447(7142):316-20.
There are many studies on lithium and Wnt. E.g.:
Activation of the Wnt signaling pathway: a molecular mechanism for lithium action. Dev Biol. 1997 May 1;185(1):82-91.
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TAGOHL
22.06.2008, 00:57
@ baldbaby
|
Been Experimenting |
» i don't see anyone here addressing that question. the vast majority of
» us balding guys still have substantial hair on our heads.
»
» how will follica address this question/issue?
This was a big question I had from the start.
The anwser is, they likely won't wound severely enough to harm existing follicles.
In fact, Follica may go a step further and depilate your existing follicles, which greatly increases the number of new hair follicles created via their procedure. So, you might get the treated area buzzed, depilated (which doesn't destroy follicles, so no need to worry), and then the procedure is applied. I'm just speculating about the depilation - I don't know if it will be part of their final protocol or not, but the patent does mention it as a possibility.
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