mell
21.06.2008, 02:16 |
Acell (Hair Multiplication & Research) |
Last line says Acell is already approved for other uses by FDA
"Sgt Shilo Harris admits his story sounds like science fiction.
Every three days, Brooke Army Center doctors put some "Pixie Dust" where Shilo's left index finger used to be.
"The first couple of times they did it I said, 'That's it?' They said, "That's it.' I said, 'Whoo, no needles!" Sgt. Harris said.
Pixie Dust to regenerate a limb is uncharted territory. Shilo Harris is the first.
"Using Pixie Dust, we're gonna use this product and see what happens," Dr. Steven Wolf said.
"It's real easy, it's almost too simple," Harris said.
Army video shows Dr. Wolf putting Pixie dust on the Shilo's finger for the first time. That was one month ago.
"After about a week, this little knot started coming up right here."
Everybody is curious about his Pixie Dust finger.
"It's growing, yeah," Harris said.
How long did they say it'll take?
They don't know the answer to most questions, not even how it will look.
"I think he's probably going to end up with more length and maybe half a finger," Dr. Wolf said.
"Even if it would grow out half, it would make a big difference because I'm so limited with these two fingers," Harris said.
What is Pixie Dust? Think of it as cell food.
"What it does is attracts stem cells, circulating cells all of us have running around our bodies," Dr. Wolf said.
The cells stop to munch on the protein, fat and carb molecules in the Pixie Dust, then they see the missing finger...and say:
"I'm right here by a bone, therefore I need to be bone," Dr. Wolf said.
The bag of Pixie Dust, actually called cellular matrix, is a bargain. It costs about $100, but for injured soldiers and, someday the rest of us:
"It has endless possibilities," Harris said. "How would you like to go the doctor, man, you have a bad heart. The doctor says, 'Hey, you do, but well I'll grow you another one, no big deal."
Pixie dust, which comes from pig bladders, is already FDA approved for other uses."
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Amilcar
21.06.2008, 06:39
@ mell
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Acell |
mell.
Please the link of the story.
The writer made some mistakes (e.g : its not the 1st time the "Pixie dust" has been experimented on humans ) .
Yet I'm happy that what has been said about positive signs of the soldier's regeneration are confirmed.
The old dudes do all see some hope in this summer but everybody is fearing yet another disillusionment so I'll just keep my mouth shut.
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RoyBatty
21.06.2008, 11:05
@ Amilcar
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Acell |
Here is the link.
http://www.abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/health&id=6216619
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debris
21.06.2008, 13:07
@ Amilcar
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Acell |
"Pixie dust, which comes from pig bladders, is already FDA approved for other uses." ... So where do I buy it please? 
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goata007
21.06.2008, 13:48
@ debris
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Acell |
» "Pixie dust, which comes from pig bladders, is already FDA approved for
» other uses." ... So where do I buy it please?
vetern use...will be available in few weeks for humans
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Sceptic
21.06.2008, 14:26
@ debris
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Acell |
» "Pixie dust, which comes from pig bladders, is already FDA approved for
» other uses." ... So where do I buy it please?
the magic pixie dust rejuvenates everything it touches, I hope Sharon Stone uses it as soon as possible, I liked so much the way she was ( child memories )
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scarred5
21.06.2008, 14:43
@ Sceptic
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Acell |
» » "Pixie dust, which comes from pig bladders, is already FDA approved for
» » other uses." ... So where do I buy it please?
»
» the magic pixie dust rejuvenates everything it touches, I hope Sharon
» Stone uses it as soon as possible, I liked so much the way she was ( child
» memories )
thanks for the update, i will link this story on another forum where there is interest as well, i did call the 410-715-1700# last week and a rep told me that it would be out in july,
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dave21
21.06.2008, 15:40
@ scarred5
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Acell |
» » » "Pixie dust, which comes from pig bladders, is already FDA approved
» for
» » » other uses." ... So where do I buy it please?
» »
» » the magic pixie dust rejuvenates everything it touches, I hope Sharon
» » Stone uses it as soon as possible, I liked so much the way she was (
» child
» » memories )
»
» thanks for the update, i will link this story on another forum where there
» is interest as well, i did call the 410-715-1700# last week and a rep told
» me that it would be out in july,
Then we'll let the testing begin.... 
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debris
21.06.2008, 16:55
@ scarred5
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Available in july? |
Guys this stuff actually really might work imho. just take strong antiandrogen, wound, use it, and pray.
I wonder what the price will be and how effective it actually is. It'd be nice if the guy could regrow his finger really.
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Amilcar
21.06.2008, 18:35
@ debris
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Available in july? |
debris ..
Yeah it might really works ..In fact I do agree that we will need all the prayers of the word and to be Honest I think that this is the balds best shot to this time through History of mankind.I'm a very balanced self-controling person yet I'm feeling some stress I should say..
Did not expect the hour of truth to come so soon ..we have been expecting Intercytex all the time although we kept an eye on acell and the other stuff..But we never expected that Acell will outpass everybody and to be within our reach so soon ..we have been theorizing about it ,I did for the least, and didt project that we will see what it really does this summer.No theory no science , nothing ! just put the pixiedust and wait..and y'll know are you going to be the bald joe or the normal joe for the remaining of your life !!Damn this summer is the moment of truth thats it and what stresses me more that I do share the viewpoint of benji ..if acell and follica do not work we are really left alone for a long time !
Sometimes we think that we have our destiny in hand that we prepare our future and make plans and calculate our decisions and while that might be true..Here is something that will have the biggest impact on each of us , yet we have no power to impact it what so ever..the PixieDust will either work or wont and we wont be able to change that..Powerless ..lets hope it just works ...
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whynot
21.06.2008, 19:13
@ Amilcar
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Available in july? |
» debris ..
»
» Yeah it might really works ..In fact I do agree that we will need all the
» prayers of the word and to be Honest I think that this is the balds best
» shot to this time through History of mankind.I'm a very balanced
» self-controling person yet I'm feeling some stress I should say..
»
» Did not expect the hour of truth to come so soon ..we have been expecting
» Intercytex all the time although we kept an eye on acell and the other
» stuff..But we never expected that Acell will outpass everybody and to be
» within our reach so soon ..we have been theorizing about it ,I did for the
» least, and didt project that we will see what it really does this summer.No
» theory no science , nothing ! just put the pixiedust and wait..and y'll
» know are you going to be the bald joe or the normal joe for the remaining
» of your life !!Damn this summer is the moment of truth thats it and what
» stresses me more that I do share the viewpoint of benji ..if acell and
» follica do not work we are really left alone for a long time !
»
»
» Sometimes we think that we have our destiny in hand that we prepare our
» future and make plans and calculate our decisions and while that might be
» true..Here is something that will have the biggest impact on each of us ,
» yet we have no power to impact it what so ever..the PixieDust will either
» work or wont and we wont be able to change that..Powerless ..lets hope it
» just works ...
With all that's currently going on in celluar technology, I dare say within the next 5 years there may be a honest cure/treatment for hairloss.
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goata007
21.06.2008, 19:25
@ Amilcar
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Available in july? |
» Did not expect the hour of truth to come so soon ..we have been expecting
» Intercytex all the time although we kept an eye on acell and the other
» stuff..But we never expected that Acell will outpass everybody and to be
» within our reach so soon ..we have been theorizing about it ,I did for the
» least, and didt project that we will see what it really does this summer.No
» theory no science , nothing ! just put the pixiedust and wait..and y'll
» know are you going to be the bald joe or the normal joe for the remaining
» of your life !!Damn this summer is the moment of truth thats it and what
» stresses me more that I do share the viewpoint of benji ..if acell and
» follica do not work we are really left alone for a long time !
»
Agreed, however, some sort of abrasion would be necessary before administring ACELL..it Won't work just by putting it on the scalp. The before/after pics on ACELL's site are very promising, if it regrows everything (skin+fur) in animals with active immune systems...it should do a decent job in humans as well.
Another key point is that DHT in men starts dropping after 25, so even if it rejuvenates existing follicles (prone to minitaurization), the thinning won't be aggressive and should be controllable with a decent topical inhibitor i.e. ASCJ-9 foam etc
Oh! and its $100 a bag, so it's relatively cheap too!
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Travis Bickle
Post strip surgery HELL,
21.06.2008, 19:25
@ Amilcar
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please read me |
Hello everyone.
Now I must admit that I really haven’t been following this whole ACELL/pixie dust thing so please be patient with me.My hopes have always been with ICX.
I have just checked out the photos & I am stunned.BUT!!! HTP butchery is founded on fraudulent photos,what proof is there that these photos are not fake? The healing of the wound & the regrowth of the hairs in the CAT is unbelievably fast.The gentleman that had pixie dust applied to his damaged finger claimed that his finger not only healed but his finger nail grew ridiculously fast.
Based on this THEORY,we wouldn’t even have to wait 3 months to see our hairs regrow as we have to with a HTP? In THEORY we will have hair in a matter of weeks? (finding this very hard to believe but I’ll keep going)
So if I do some sort of dermabrasion to the dense scaring on my head, scarring that has existed for a VERRRRYYYYYYYYYYY long time,apply the pixie dust,tissue will regrow in that area along with new hair?? Truth be told,I don’t want a full head of hair anymore,I just want my scarring to be repaired so I can look like a NORMAL bald man.My donor area is mutilated,donor hair isn’t susceptible to hairloss so any hair that will regrow from pixie dust wont fall out anyway : )
I WILL BE REPAIRED !!!
I will still be bald but normal looking : )
MY CONCERNS:
I wonder if you have to treat the damaged area with pixie dust straight away?
The kitty & dog where treated when the wound was fresh.Is there a certain window of opportunity where if you wait to long to treat the area the dust wont work ? As i said before,I have scarred for a looooong time, will it work in areas that have been scared for so long ?
I no longer have hair roots there,it's nothing but scar tissue.Pixie dust will grow hair in an area that hasn't seen hair for years ?
If this really is available for HUMAN use next month,wont there have to be some BS trial that will drag on for years before it is useable?
Why haven’t the greedy,money hungry,evil vaulcher strip surgeons looked into this? They will adopt ANYTHING that makes them more money.
BIGGEST CONCERN:
IF the US military has been trialling this & having success then why have they taken an interest in ICX skin rejuvenation? If pixie dust does work why would they give a sh*t about ICX products?
Maybe it’s not all that it’s cracked up to be?
Unless the US governments interest in ICX was nothing more then ICX B.S ?
Maybe ICX’s “Pre Stimulation” is something similar to ACELL’s approach ? Who knows,ICX may cure the world using ACELLS flag ?
I am a foolish man. I was overly excited by ICX & now I am doing the same thing. Oh God let this work.
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It’s only after a bald man is butchered by a strip surgeon that he realises that there is nothing wrong with being bald.
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goata007
21.06.2008, 19:42
@ Travis Bickle
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please read me |
First of all, I really feel bad for you - what a doc did to your scalp. terrible!
Since you've got scars - which are made up of thick collagen buildup, I've got my doubts that ICX would work for you. First thing you need to do is repair the scalp as much as you can.
You should look in Copper-Peptides (CP) from SkinBiology. The website also have articles on scar reduction etc. CPs are quite effective at remodelling/repairing damaged skin and combining them with hydroxy acids will definitely reduce scars and improve the inner structure of your skin BUT it will take months! so don't expect a miracle.
» So if I do some sort of dermabrasion to the dense scaring on my head,
» scarring that has existed for a VERRRRYYYYYYYYYYY long time,apply the pixie
» dust,tissue will regrow in that area along with new hair?? Truth be told,I
» don’t want a full head of hair anymore,I just want my scarring to be
» repaired so I can look like a NORMAL bald man.My donor area is
» mutilated,donor hair isn’t susceptible to hairloss so any hair that will
» regrow from pixie dust wont fall out anyway : )
You definitely need to try a combination of hydroxy acids + CPs, over time that should remodel much of the structure of your skin, Then ACELL will probably work better too.
» MY CONCERNS:
» I wonder if you have to treat the damaged area with pixie dust straight
» away?
You'd need to dermabrade the area, it doesn't work by just putting it onto the skin.
» If this really is available for HUMAN use next month,wont there have to be
» some BS trial that will drag on for years before it is useable?
NO, you need a prescription from your doc and $100.
» BIGGEST CONCERN:
» IF the US military has been trialling this & having success then why have
» they taken an interest in ICX skin rejuvenation? If pixie dust does work
US government is investing in different products - just as any good investor would do, instead of putting all their eggs in one basket.
» Maybe it’s not all that it’s cracked up to be?
It isn't, it's not a magic cure e.g. anyone who is expecting this guy to regrow a fully functional & normal looking finger is dreaming. ACELL has it's limits and the guy may grow a finger look-a-like with some function, which by current standards is amazing.
» Unless the US governments interest in ICX was nothing more then ICX B.S ?
»
» Maybe ICX’s “Pre Stimulation” is something similar to ACELL’s approach ?
Abrasion does rejuvenate the skin, this is a proven procedure, read more at skinbiology, search for chemical peel/dermabrasion
» I am a foolish man. I was overly excited by ICX & now I am doing the same
» thing. Oh God let this work.
We'll find out in a month, there are lot of men waiting to try this stuff.
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hiall
21.06.2008, 19:44
@ mell
|
Acell |
» Last line says Acell is already approved for other uses by FDA
»
»
» "Sgt Shilo Harris admits his story sounds like science fiction.
»
» Every three days, Brooke Army Center doctors put some "Pixie Dust" where
» Shilo's left index finger used to be.
»
» "The first couple of times they did it I said, 'That's it?' They said,
» "That's it.' I said, 'Whoo, no needles!" Sgt. Harris said.
»
» Pixie Dust to regenerate a limb is uncharted territory. Shilo Harris is
» the first.
»
» "Using Pixie Dust, we're gonna use this product and see what happens," Dr.
» Steven Wolf said.
»
» "It's real easy, it's almost too simple," Harris said.
»
» Army video shows Dr. Wolf putting Pixie dust on the Shilo's finger for the
» first time. That was one month ago.
»
» "After about a week, this little knot started coming up right here."
»
» Everybody is curious about his Pixie Dust finger.
»
» "It's growing, yeah," Harris said.
»
» How long did they say it'll take?
»
» They don't know the answer to most questions, not even how it will look.
»
» "I think he's probably going to end up with more length and maybe half a
» finger," Dr. Wolf said.
»
» "Even if it would grow out half, it would make a big difference because
» I'm so limited with these two fingers," Harris said.
»
» What is Pixie Dust? Think of it as cell food.
»
» "What it does is attracts stem cells, circulating cells all of us have
» running around our bodies," Dr. Wolf said.
»
» The cells stop to munch on the protein, fat and carb molecules in the
» Pixie Dust, then they see the missing finger...and say:
»
» "I'm right here by a bone, therefore I need to be bone," Dr. Wolf said.
»
» The bag of Pixie Dust, actually called cellular matrix, is a bargain. It
» costs about $100, but for injured soldiers and, someday the rest of us:
»
» "It has endless possibilities," Harris said. "How would you like to go the
» doctor, man, you have a bad heart. The doctor says, 'Hey, you do, but well
» I'll grow you another one, no big deal."
»
» Pixie dust, which comes from pig bladders, is already FDA approved for
» other uses."
Actually what is Acell?Is it any hair growing drugs?How does it work?It is possible to get back the hair which i lost?
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Amilcar
21.06.2008, 19:54
@ Travis Bickle
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please read me |
Hello Travis.
1st you have a lot of questions my friend 
I see no possible linkng between the Intercytex and Acell technology ...the 1st tries to multiply Dermal papilla cells from hairy sclap and injecting them into bald scalp .Acell wants to make the body heal better through regenerative medicine : not taking cells from other parts of the body ..not cells specific to the hair ...It just makes the body not just heal but also rebuild itsels ..Acell is just a message a signal "Rebuild yourself" no matters the zone of the body, Intercytex is injecting the hair specific cells capable of saying "Make hair" to bald scalp ..However the problem is that Intercytex needs a lot of this cells ..therefore they need to myltiply them in vitro (in labs) .Unfortunately this cells when multiplied in labs stop saying "Make hair" when back into scalp ...the generated one dont say the message we need to other cells when injected to bald scalp...Acell do not have this multiplication number .. at least not in the same way as intercytex...the extra celliluar matrix opens the window of oppourtunity so that the body heals itself but in a regenrative way since it asks the stem cells to work but not the lazy of just healing the wounds...
To be frank with you ..I do not know if for your case the Acell is a reliable solution .I think that you need to have your epidermis healthy in some way so that acell regenration cells give it the right signals to work.Also I do remember Intercytex stating in its website that its OK to have Hair transplants and later going through their HM operation..I'm not an expert in this field ..Im just trying to give you my best objective opinion.
Hoping the best for you my friend..
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Amilcar
21.06.2008, 20:08
@ goata007
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please read me |
aloevera also is useful for skin healing ....
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Travis Bickle
Post strip surgery HELL,
21.06.2008, 20:26
@ Amilcar
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please read me |
» To be frank with you ..I do not know if for your case the Acell is a
» reliable solution .I think that you need to have your epidermis healthy in
» some way so that acell regenration cells give it the right signals to
» work.
Correct me if I am wrong but the cat & dogs had their skin ripped off to the bone.Both animals didn't have any skin left behind.There was nothing left except for their BONES but they were still able to regrow tissue,hair & skin.
The dude lost his finger completely,scar tissue healed it & he put pixie dust on that & his finger regrew.
Based on all this,I fail to see how it wont work for me ???
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It’s only after a bald man is butchered by a strip surgeon that he realises that there is nothing wrong with being bald.
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Amilcar
21.06.2008, 21:05
@ Travis Bickle
|
please read me |
» » To be frank with you ..I do not know if for your case the Acell is a
» » reliable solution .I think that you need to have your epidermis healthy
» in
» » some way so that acell regenration cells give it the right signals to
» » work.
»
» Correct me if I am wrong but the cat & dogs had their skin ripped off to
» the bone.Both animals didn't have any skin left behind.There was nothing
» left except for their BONES but they were still able to regrow tissue,hair
» & skin.
» The dude lost his finger completely,scar tissue healed it & he put pixie
» dust on that & his finger regrew.
» Based on all this,I fail to see how it wont work for me ???
Travis we certainly didt say it wont work for you ...we said that you need to prepare your scalp so that you can have it as healthier as possible.
One more thing in the de novo hair paper of Cotsarelis which lead to founding Follica ,the researchers said in the Absract
"Here we show that, after wounding, hair follicles form de novo in genetically normal adult mice. The regenerated hair follicles establish a stem cell population, express known molecular markers of follicle differentiation, produce a hair shaft and progress through all stages of the hair follicle cycle. Lineage analysis demonstrated that the nascent follicles arise from epithelial cells outside of the hair follicle stem cell niche, suggesting that epidermal cells in the wound assume a hair follicle stem cell phenotype."
Therefore its not a big deal if your hair follicls stem cells population has been damaged.For the Follica approach your epidermis is supposingly going to regenerate new hair follicles for you .. So the question what are exactly those epidermal cells " in the wound ?"/epithélial cells (outside the hair follicle) ?
at what level of depth they are located ? and do you have them intact ?
DO you undestand my point ? guys any insights ?!
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MPB
21.06.2008, 21:17
@ RoyBatty
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Acell |
» Here is the link.
» http://www.abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/health&id=6216619
Why cant they use this "pixie dust" to regrow his nose?...seriously.
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goata007
21.06.2008, 22:04
@ MPB
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Acell |
» Why cant they use this "pixie dust" to regrow his nose?...seriously.
Well, it's not black magic!
Basically, the way it works is by triggering the regeneration system of the body. So theoratically, regrowing a nose is possible but you'd definitely need some sort of scaffolding to build cartildge, and then the skin would grow over it. Because Cells can't just form a bridge in the air!
Therefore, regrowing skin is a lot easier than limbs. I'm very optimmistic about ACELL - 2 weeks to go!
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goata007
21.06.2008, 22:08
@ Travis Bickle
|
please read me |
» Correct me if I am wrong but the cat & dogs had their skin ripped off to
» the bone.Both animals didn't have any skin left behind.There was nothing
» left except for their BONES but they were still able to regrow tissue,hair
» & skin.
The key here is the SIZE of the area. Tip of the finger, scars on animals all were small. I'm just guessing your strip scars are quite big, and that would definitely affect the result you'd get from ACELL.
Just remember, if it were a magical cure, everyone would be talking about it but there aren't - so it most definitely isn't a cure for all sorts of regeneration. However, it has been shown to regenerate skin quite remarkably, so that is a really good thing for us!
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debris
22.06.2008, 02:06
@ goata007
|
DHT does not start dropping after 25. Or Am I wrong? |
AFAIK, DHT raises together with estrogene, and T drops. Am I wrong?
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GWULaw
22.06.2008, 10:53
@ goata007
|
Available in july? |
» Agreed, however, some sort of abrasion would be necessary before
» administring ACELL..it Won't work just by putting it on the scalp. The
» before/after pics on ACELL's site are very promising, if it regrows
» everything (skin+fur) in animals with active immune systems...it should do
» a decent job in humans as well.
»
» Another key point is that DHT in men starts dropping after 25, so even if
» it rejuvenates existing follicles (prone to minitaurization), the thinning
» won't be aggressive and should be controllable with a decent topical
» inhibitor i.e. ASCJ-9 foam etc
»
» Oh! and its $100 a bag, so it's relatively cheap too!
So you guys think that Acell might work the direct way- wounding balding areas, then applying Acell? Instead to the indirect way of HT's and Acell-ing the donor areas? If the direct way works, that would be perfect, but if we have to go the indirect way, I'd still never complain.
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goata007
22.06.2008, 11:10
@ GWULaw
|
Available in july? |
debris, T & DHT both DROP with aging.
» So you guys think that Acell might work the direct way- wounding balding
» areas, then applying Acell? Instead to the indirect way of HT's and
» Acell-ing the donor areas? If the direct way works, that would be perfect,
» but if we have to go the indirect way, I'd still never complain.
Yes, HOWEVER, we base it on the fact that it's been hailed as a regenerative compound. For example, the guy who lost his finger tip mentioned that he got his finger print back, his new finger doesn't dry as much and the nail on that finger grows twice as fast as the other fingers. That essentialy means that ACELL has created a brand new finger tip.
If ACELL can do that then I can't think of a reason why wounding the scalp (rather deeply) and then ACELL won't regenerate the follicles & scalp and essentially return us to our pre-baldness stage.
But again, it's not tested - we're just theorizing yet. If there is solid science behind ACELL, it should work.
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Willy
22.06.2008, 12:52
@ goata007
|
Available in july? |
» debris, T & DHT both DROP with aging.
»
»
» » So you guys think that Acell might work the direct way- wounding
» balding
» » areas, then applying Acell? Instead to the indirect way of HT's and
» » Acell-ing the donor areas? If the direct way works, that would be
» perfect,
» » but if we have to go the indirect way, I'd still never complain.
»
» Yes, HOWEVER, we base it on the fact that it's been hailed as a
» regenerative compound. For example, the guy who lost his finger tip
» mentioned that he got his finger print back, his new finger doesn't dry as
» much and the nail on that finger grows twice as fast as the other fingers.
» That essentialy means that ACELL has created a brand new finger tip.
»
» If ACELL can do that then I can't think of a reason why wounding the scalp
» (rather deeply) and then ACELL won't regenerate the follicles & scalp and
» essentially return us to our pre-baldness stage.
»
» But again, it's not tested - we're just theorizing yet. If there is solid
» science behind ACELL, it should work.
When I talked to the rep at Acell, he seemed to think that it may be a problem if it were used to regenerate tissue (and hair) on top of the scalp. He stated that they did not know how deep one must go to accomplish this. (The hair would not be DHT resistant). When I mentioned using Acell to regenerate donor hair and transplanting it to the top, he believed that would work. We will see.
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goata007
22.06.2008, 13:04
@ Willy
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Available in july? |
» When I talked to the rep at Acell, he seemed to think that it may be a
» problem if it were used to regenerate tissue (and hair) on top of the
» scalp. He stated that they did not know how deep one must go to accomplish
» this. (The hair would not be DHT resistant). When I mentioned using Acell
» to regenerate donor hair and transplanting it to the top, he believed that
» would work. We will see.
Did the rep mentioned why he thought regeneration might be a problem? What I'm thinking is that you'd definitely need a medium peel to damage enough of the scalp/follicle for ACELL to be effective i.e. regenerate hair.
And if the above method actually restores original hair (instead of creating new) then that shouldn't be bad at all. All we need to do is get the procedure every 5 years or so, and by that time we should have ASCJ-9 foam or TRC to update the genetic code of hair.
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cal
22.06.2008, 15:54
@ goata007
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Available in july? |
If dermabrasion can't even pose enough of a wound to uncork some follicle healing possibilities with Acell, then I don't know how in the hell we think Folica has been producing ALL-NEW follicles with wounds no deeper than that already.
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debris
22.06.2008, 16:05
@ goata007
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ASC-9 Cream does not permanently remove receptors. Or does it? |
It degrades androgen receptors, but I don't think it's permanent. Receptor is just a molecule. being created every time RNA expresses itself through your DNA. Degrading this molecule does not mean much. Body does create it all the time, and receptor is being degraded every time something binds to it.
Am I wrong?
I also heard that it is losely based on something that naturally occurs in curcumin.
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yellbird
22.06.2008, 16:05
@ goata007
|
please read me |
Don't be surprised if after you try it you grow a head on your head, now you'll have two bald heads.
» » Correct me if I am wrong but the cat & dogs had their skin ripped off to
» » the bone.Both animals didn't have any skin left behind.There was
» nothing
» » left except for their BONES but they were still able to regrow
» tissue,hair
» » & skin.
»
» The key here is the SIZE of the area. Tip of the finger, scars on animals
» all were small. I'm just guessing your strip scars are quite big, and that
» would definitely affect the result you'd get from ACELL.
»
» Just remember, if it were a magical cure, everyone would be talking about
» it but there aren't - so it most definitely isn't a cure for all sorts of
» regeneration. However, it has been shown to regenerate skin quite
» remarkably, so that is a really good thing for us!
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GWULaw
22.06.2008, 16:32
@ goata007
|
Available in july? |
» » So you guys think that Acell might work the direct way- wounding
» balding
» » areas, then applying Acell? Instead to the indirect way of HT's and
» » Acell-ing the donor areas? If the direct way works, that would be
» perfect,
» » but if we have to go the indirect way, I'd still never complain.
»
» Yes, HOWEVER, we base it on the fact that it's been hailed as a
» regenerative compound. For example, the guy who lost his finger tip
» mentioned that he got his finger print back, his new finger doesn't dry as
» much and the nail on that finger grows twice as fast as the other fingers.
» That essentialy means that ACELL has created a brand new finger tip.
»
A new finger nail and it grows twice as fast? Isn't there some relation between hair and finger nails? Like maybe that the two are composed of the same substance? Maybe this could work....
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goata007
22.06.2008, 16:48
@ debris
|
ASC-9 Cream does not permanently remove receptors. Or does it? |
» It degrades androgen receptors, but I don't think it's permanent. Receptor
» is just a molecule. being created every time RNA expresses itself through
» your DNA. Degrading this molecule does not mean much. Body does create it
» all the time, and receptor is being degraded every time something binds to
» it.
you're right...however, with daily application it should decrease the effects of androgen uptake by receptors, without any side effects.
» I also heard that it is losely based on something that naturally occurs in
» curcumin.
true...I read somewhere, it's a more potent form of curcumin.
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cal
22.06.2008, 17:38
@ goata007
|
ASC-9 Cream does not permanently remove receptors. Or does it? |
With ASC-J9 they basically took the relevant part of curcumin and ramped up its potency a couple dozen times over.
(Although I'm not trying to say it qualifies as any sort of "natural" substance. ASC-J9 is made from natural curcumin like gasoline is made from natural ancient plants.)
The ARs are constantly being replaced every couple of days. ASC-J9 would need to be indefinitely reapplied in that sense. I don't know if there's any long-term inhibition without the drug's constant reapplication.
I think the big thing to realize with ASC-J9 is that there is probably no way for the body to compensate for it. If you deprive the ARs of androgens with something like Keto or Fin/Dut or RU58841, then the body's normal response is to raise the number of ARs being generated to try to compensate. The ARs are the body's natural check & balance in the system.
But now with ASC-J9 we're talking about artificially reducing the ARs themselves. So all our existing anti-androgens would probably see a functional increase in strength with this stuff thrown into the mix. There would be fewer ARs in total, but each one would be getting at least as much stimulation as before. So there shouldn't be any signals to the body that something is amiss, as opposed to what happens with the androgen-reducing methods we have now.
But there's still potential trouble before assuming ASC-J9 is a go.
Benji recently dug up a study showing that licorice was actually KILLING hairs on rats. And chemically speaking, the methods of action between the licorice and circumin are similar.
I think the question is whether this effect is showing up with topical curcumin. If it's not, then I think ASC-J9 is reasonably likely to be a safe bet not to damage hairs like licorice was doing.
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Baccy
22.06.2008, 17:54
@ yellbird
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please read me |
» Don't be surprised if after you try it you grow a head on your head, now
» you'll have two bald heads.
»
LOL!!!!
»
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»
»
»
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dave21
22.06.2008, 22:16
@ cal
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Available in july? |
» If dermabrasion can't even pose enough of a wound to uncork some follicle
» healing possibilities with Acell, then I don't know how in the hell we
» think Folica has been producing ALL-NEW follicles with wounds no deeper
» than that already.
If acell needs a prescription, then what would you say to the doctor to get the prescription?
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debris
23.06.2008, 02:11
@ cal
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Killing hair in rats means that it will work for mpb |
Just joking but in theory .... so far everything that works in rats does not work for mpb so killing hair in rats possibly means nothing
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debris
23.06.2008, 02:19
(edited by debris, 23.06.2008, 02:26)
@ goata007
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But then, whats the difference between this and topical spiro or flutamide? |
These two do bind to the receptor as well dont they? So what is so new about this ASC-9 thing other then they used different marketing term to fool half of the planet to believe that this is the cure? I don't get it. I tried to google more information about receptor degradation but did not find anything that would explain it enough.
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debris
23.06.2008, 02:30
@ dave21
|
Available in july? |
» » If dermabrasion can't even pose enough of a wound to uncork some
» follicle
» » healing possibilities with Acell, then I don't know how in the hell we
» » think Folica has been producing ALL-NEW follicles with wounds no deeper
» » than that already.
»
»
» If acell needs a prescription, then what would you say to the doctor to
» get the prescription?
how about
gimme the sht, gimme the sht or I'll unload this gun to your face you stupid mada faka!!!
But I guess that there's going to be easier ways.
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cal
23.06.2008, 03:28
@ debris
|
Available in july? |
These two (I'm assuming you mean Circumin & Licorice) do bind to the receptor as well dont they? So what is so new about this ASC-9 thing other then they used different marketing term to fool half of the planet to believe that this is the cure? I don't get it. I tried to google more information about receptor degradation but did not find anything that would explain it enough.
Umm . . . Does "a couple dozen times any natural potency" not seem like an improvement in the situation to you?
Regular natural Circumin also stains your skin orange.
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Sceptic
23.06.2008, 11:49
@ yellbird
|
please read me |
» Don't be surprised if after you try it you grow a head on your head, now
» you'll have two bald heads.
LOL !!
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hiall
23.06.2008, 14:49
@ hiall
|
Acell |
» » Last line says Acell is already approved for other uses by FDA
» »
» »
» » "Sgt Shilo Harris admits his story sounds like science fiction.
» »
» » Every three days, Brooke Army Center doctors put some "Pixie Dust"
» where
» » Shilo's left index finger used to be.
» »
» » "The first couple of times they did it I said, 'That's it?' They said,
» » "That's it.' I said, 'Whoo, no needles!" Sgt. Harris said.
» »
» » Pixie Dust to regenerate a limb is uncharted territory. Shilo Harris is
» » the first.
» »
» » "Using Pixie Dust, we're gonna use this product and see what happens,"
» Dr.
» » Steven Wolf said.
» »
» » "It's real easy, it's almost too simple," Harris said.
» »
» » Army video shows Dr. Wolf putting Pixie dust on the Shilo's finger for
» the
» » first time. That was one month ago.
» »
» » "After about a week, this little knot started coming up right here."
» »
» » Everybody is curious about his Pixie Dust finger.
» »
» » "It's growing, yeah," Harris said.
» »
» » How long did they say it'll take?
» »
» » They don't know the answer to most questions, not even how it will
» look.
» »
» » "I think he's probably going to end up with more length and maybe half
» a
» » finger," Dr. Wolf said.
» »
» » "Even if it would grow out half, it would make a big difference because
» » I'm so limited with these two fingers," Harris said.
» »
» » What is Pixie Dust? Think of it as cell food.
» »
» » "What it does is attracts stem cells, circulating cells all of us have
» » running around our bodies," Dr. Wolf said.
» »
» » The cells stop to munch on the protein, fat and carb molecules in the
» » Pixie Dust, then they see the missing finger...and say:
» »
» » "I'm right here by a bone, therefore I need to be bone," Dr. Wolf said.
» »
» » The bag of Pixie Dust, actually called cellular matrix, is a bargain.
» It
» » costs about $100, but for injured soldiers and, someday the rest of us:
» »
» » "It has endless possibilities," Harris said. "How would you like to go
» the
» » doctor, man, you have a bad heart. The doctor says, 'Hey, you do, but
» well
» » I'll grow you another one, no big deal."
» »
» » Pixie dust, which comes from pig bladders, is already FDA approved for
» » other uses."
»
»
» Actually what is Acell?Is it any hair growing drugs?How does it work?It is
» possible to get back the hair which i lost?
Nobody answer me
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debris
23.06.2008, 15:21
@ hiall
|
Acell |
Acell pixie dust is a miracle drug. Try googling it.
And no currently you cannot regrow all your hair back. There has not been a single guy who would have accomplished something like that. Current treatments are good at keeping your existing hair or slowing down the hair loss, they are generarly poor and unsatisfying when it comes to regrowth.
Acell may regrow hair but noone knows yet if it will really.
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baldIsMe
25.06.2008, 00:10
@ debris
|
Acell |
Ok..so apparently Acell will be available next month. Doesn't that mean it has already gone through human trials? And if it has already gone through trials then wouldn't the researchers at Acell already know if it will regrow hair on a human?...or maybe I'm missing something.
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haroldo
25.06.2008, 07:48
@ Amilcar
|
please read me |
» One more thing in the de novo hair paper of Cotsarelis which lead to
» founding Follica ,the researchers said in the Absract
»
» "Here we show that, after wounding, hair follicles form de novo in
» genetically normal adult mice. The regenerated hair follicles establish a
» stem cell population, express known molecular markers of follicle
» differentiation, produce a hair shaft and progress through all stages of
» the hair follicle cycle. Lineage analysis demonstrated that the nascent
» follicles arise from epithelial cells outside of the hair follicle stem
» cell niche, suggesting that epidermal cells in the wound assume a hair
» follicle stem cell phenotype."
»
» Therefore its not a big deal if your hair follicls stem cells population
» has been damaged.For the Follica approach your epidermis is supposingly
» going to regenerate new hair follicles for you .. So the question what are
» exactly those epidermal cells " in the wound ?"/epithélial cells (outside
» the hair follicle) ?
Basically it is saying that the new follicles dont come from old hair follicles. Epithelial cells (skin cells basically) from the epidermal layer of the skin have become hair follicle stem cells.
» at what level of depth they are located ?
Its the epidermis. So thats the outermost layers of skin. Since the very outer layers is just dead skin cells then we are talking somwhere under that. but not much.
and do you have them intact ?
Yes. They are just big words for skin cells really.
» DO you undestand my point ? guys any insights ?!
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haroldo
25.06.2008, 08:00
@ cal
|
Available in july? |
» If dermabrasion can't even pose enough of a wound to uncork some follicle
» healing possibilities with Acell, then I don't know how in the hell we
» think Folica has been producing ALL-NEW follicles with wounds no deeper
» than that already.
But Follica is using molecular cues to guide the stem cells to become hair follicles instead of new skin cells. Acell is just attracting stem cells and then they will use the cues available to them from their surroundings in deciding what they are going to become. This is why I think Follica is MUCH more likely to be succesful than Acell - its an intelligent directed approach that is actually interested in understanding what makes a cell decide to become a hair follicle and not another skin cell. Its not just shooting up on stem cells and hoping for the best. I think from the early days of cloning and stem cell therapy have shown that their are few if any shortcuts when it comes to this type of technology - it helps a great deal if you understand all the nitty gritty boring details about why something works the way it does instead of shooting stem cells into the brain of a guy with Parkinson's and hoping they produce dopamine.
Yes its a slowish process and everyone wants a cure now but real progress is being made.
At any rate the balding scalp seems to be full of cues that tell hair follicle stem cells to take it easy and would encourage the growth of skin cells rather than hair. I think you would have to go pretty deep in terms of removing tissue to have a good hope of success here. Hair follicles are pretty deep in the skin.
hh
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haroldo
25.06.2008, 08:06
@ debris
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But then, whats the difference between this and topical spiro or flutamide? |
» These two do bind to the receptor as well dont they? So what is so new
» about this ASC-9 thing other then they used different marketing term to
» fool half of the planet to believe that this is the cure? I don't get it. I
» tried to google more information about receptor degradation but did not
» find anything that would explain it enough.
Spiro and flutamide bind to the androgen receptor but dont tell it to do anything and when they are bound DHT cant bind to that receptor. As competitive antagonists they also fall off again or can be outgunned by a lot of DHT molecules.
ASC-J9 amongst other things appears to help break the androgen recptor down. So you have less androgen receptors.
"Here we report that adding 5-hydroxy-1,7-bis(3,4-dimethoxyphenyl)-1,4,6-heptatrien-3-one (ASC-J9) disrupts the interaction between AR and its coregulators, and also increases cell survival by decreasing AR-polyQ nuclear aggregation and increasing AR-polyQ degradation in cultured cells."
Presumably it also has topical vs systemic effects otherwise it would be about as useful to stopping hairloss as cutting your testicles off. ie an effective treatment but with side effects.
hh
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haroldo
25.06.2008, 08:14
@ cal
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ASC-9 Cream does not permanently remove receptors. Or does it? |
» But there's still potential trouble before assuming ASC-J9 is a go.
»
» Benji recently dug up a study showing that licorice was actually KILLING
» hairs on rats.
Unless i'm mistaken the study was talking about humans.
» And chemically speaking, the methods of action between the
» licorice and circumin are similar.
What makes you say that? Some extracts of licorice are reported to be androgen antagonists (based on a Japanese article that we can only see the abstract of) while another extract had the effect mentioned above. We dont even know if it is due to the same compound.
hh
» I think the question is whether this effect is showing up with topical
» curcumin. If it's not, then I think ASC-J9 is reasonably likely to be a
» safe bet not to damage hairs like licorice was doing.
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cal
25.06.2008, 08:39
@ haroldo
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ASC-9 Cream does not permanently remove receptors. Or does it? |
Off the top of my head, I think the study in question was mentioning both rat and human info.
I didn't mean to imply that the methods of action between circumin and licorice were VERY similiar, just that there might be enough spillover to warrant concern. They're more similiar than circumin and minox, or circumin and Fin/Dut, for example.
I just don't know about a ton of airtight studies demonstrating that circumin definitely can't hurt hair. It makes a lot of chemical sense that circumin would help hair, and I know some guys have talked about having good experiences with it. But then again there are guys who tell you that Finasteride destroyed their hairline too.
I suspect we'll rapidly learn a lot more about the hair possibilities once ASC-J9 hits the shelves for acne.
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forresthill
01.07.2008, 08:27
@ goata007
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please read me |
» » Correct me if I am wrong but the cat & dogs had their skin ripped off to
» » the bone.Both animals didn't have any skin left behind.There was
» nothing
» » left except for their BONES but they were still able to regrow
» tissue,hair
» » & skin.
»
» The key here is the SIZE of the area. Tip of the finger, scars on animals
» all were small. I'm just guessing your strip scars are quite big, and that
» would definitely affect the result you'd get from ACELL.
»
» Just remember, if it were a magical cure, everyone would be talking about
» it but there aren't - so it most definitely isn't a cure for all sorts of
» regeneration. However, it has been shown to regenerate skin quite
» remarkably, so that is a really good thing for us!
I agree with Travis. I can't imagine a strip scar (or multiple strip scars) creating enough scar tissue on his head to block and/or minimize signaling from health skin cells as the body regenerates itself.
I actually had a few hair transplant procedures performed by Bosley in the early 90's that were undetectable for over a decade. However, as I continued to lose hair, they became visible and now mild scarring on my forehead can be seen, as well as the strip scars on the back of my head when I cut my hair very short. I can't speak to your case specifically Travis, but it stands to reason that if hair transplantation was that damaging to the general skin cell population around the scalp human, then these procedures would show negative results pretty immediately in folks who are NM 3.5, 4, etc.
In my opinion, cutting out the strip scars from the donor area, getting a medium depth dermabrasion on the recipient area, and applying the Acell powder on the open wounds should significantly heal your scalp.
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Amilcar
01.07.2008, 10:08
@ haroldo
|
To Horaldo |
So b asically you are saying that no matters the scars one might have his epithelial cells are intact ?
Also am I the only one here that thinks that Acell+Follica might work in synergy ???
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