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quarterhead

15.07.2008, 14:33

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how many grafts are needed to get a norwood 7 to norwood 4?
i know everyone will start saying it depends on hair diameter and color.. etc,
but approximatly there should be an average.
can any of the doctors and people in the forum help with this?

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ipod

15.07.2008, 14:40

@ quarterhead
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� how many grafts are needed to get a norwood 7 to norwood 4?
� i know everyone will start saying it depends on hair diameter and color..
� etc,
� but approximatly there should be an average.
� can any of the doctors and people in the forum help with this?

it depends on hair diameter and color :-P

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quarterhead

15.07.2008, 14:46

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can u get serious about this.
i already had 3 ht. total of 2900 grafts. and the reults i c from other people look much better.

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therapy

15.07.2008, 14:57

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� can u get serious about this.
� i already had 3 ht. total of 2900 grafts. and the reults i c from other
� people look much better.

2900 is not a lot, I think it is unlikely that you could become a NW4 with just 2900.

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marco

U.K,
15.07.2008, 16:15

@ quarterhead
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� how many grafts are needed to get a norwood 7 to norwood 4?
� i know everyone will start saying it depends on hair diameter and color..
� etc,
� but approximatly there should be an average.
� can any of the doctors and people in the forum help with this?

See this link

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-33703-page-0-category-2-order-last_answer.html

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ipod

15.07.2008, 16:56
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@ marco
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� � how many grafts are needed to get a norwood 7 to norwood 4?
� � i know everyone will start saying it depends on hair diameter and
� color..
� � etc,
� � but approximatly there should be an average.
� � can any of the doctors and people in the forum help with this?
�
� See this link
�
� http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-33703-page-0-category-2-order-last_answer.html

You should add a disclaimer that this is the best possible scenario and chances are that most NW7 look a lot less flattering aafter 5000grafts.

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marco

U.K,
15.07.2008, 17:44

@ ipod
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� � � how many grafts are needed to get a norwood 7 to norwood 4?
� � � i know everyone will start saying it depends on hair diameter and
� � color..
� � � etc,
� � � but approximatly there should be an average.
� � � can any of the doctors and people in the forum help with this?
� �
� � See this link
� �
� �
� http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-33703-page-0-category-2-order-last_answer.html
�
� You should add a disclaimer that this is the best possible scenario and
� chances are that most NW7 look a lot less flattering aafter 5000grafts.

I wonder???? The birds eye view shows that it is VERY thin coverage but at that length it creates a good illusion / shadow. Is this optomistic? Maybe / maybe not. I am not sure. Uhhhhhh..... maybe your right. No, I think it is reasonable. No actually your probably right.

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cal

15.07.2008, 17:52

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If you're a NW#7 and you haven't already got your first HT, then DON'T start getting them.

I would say this to a lot of NW#5s and NW#6s, let alone NW#7s.

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marco

U.K,
15.07.2008, 18:07

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� If you're a NW#7 and you haven't already got your first HT, then DON'T
� start getting them.
�
� I would say this to a lot of NW#5s and NW#6s, let alone NW#7s.

Well the patient in the link did pretty well!

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nwone

16.07.2008, 21:19

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� � If you're a NW#7 and you haven't already got your first HT, then DON'T
� � start getting them.
� �
� � I would say this to a lot of NW#5s and NW#6s, let alone NW#7s.
�
� Well the patient in the link did pretty well!
very true. U think 2000 is good?

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checkingin

17.07.2008, 17:13

@ marco
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� � If you're a NW#7 and you haven't already got your first HT, then DON'T
� � start getting them.
� �
� � I would say this to a lot of NW#5s and NW#6s, let alone NW#7s.
�
� Well the patient in the link did pretty well!

You are correct Marco, but he has very low density on his side that doesn't "compete" with his top. The other thing is a very "white" scalp will not look nearly this good because of the contrast.

Typically NW7's are not good candidates for HT even with body hair and beard hair.

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marco

U.K,
17.07.2008, 17:33

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� � � If you're a NW#7 and you haven't already got your first HT, then DON'T
� � � start getting them.
� � �
� � � I would say this to a lot of NW#5s and NW#6s, let alone NW#7s.
� �
� � Well the patient in the link did pretty well!

� very true. U think 2000 is good?

I don't quite understand what you mean. I am wondering where 2000 comes from??

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hairwhereiwantit

18.07.2008, 15:11

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� If you're a NW#7 and you haven't already got your first HT, then DON'T
� start getting them.
�
� I would say this to a lot of NW#5s and NW#6s, let alone NW#7s.

Quarterheads second post:
i already had 3 ht. total of 2900 grafts.

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RAJESH

22.07.2008, 11:42

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The other thing is a very "white" scalp
� will not look nearly this good because of the contrast.
�

White scalp with blond hair?! Why not?
I guess it will not work well in my case. Whitish scalp with black hair.

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the B spot

22.07.2008, 16:03

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A good rule of thumb is to multiply your NW x 1000 grafts.

It is not an exact count, but it tends to give you a decent idea of what is needed.

However, a NW7 is unlikely to have enough donor hair to get 7000 grafts.

At 2900 I would look to maximize your remaining donor and make sure you build up your sides/lateral humps and forget any real crown work.

Some patients who achieve an excellent result over a large balding area 200+cm often choose to establish a natural, age appropriate hairline followed by transplanting 30-35 fu's cm/2 over 200cm of baldness (this equals 6000 grafts)

They then shave down as far as their resulting scar allows them (for most good docs a #3-#4) and they get a slight tan and look 100% better.

It is all in your expectations.

If you have done 2900 grafts via strip, I would suggest doing 1 larger surgery via strip (2500-3000 grafts if possible) and if the resulting scar is excellent, switch to FUE--to extract those last few grafts.

It may take some time, but in the right hands, you could have an excellent result.

Take Care,
Jason

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cal

22.07.2008, 17:17

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� A good rule of thumb is to multiply your NW x 1000 grafts.

This is true, but it is not what gives movie-star results. This formula owes as much to limited donor supplies as it owes to patient satisfaction.

1000 per NW level is enough grafts to look thick enough that your head is covered. Enough that you don't get called "baldheaded" anymore and you don't just wish you could buzz it all off anymore.

Zero grafts will make your lack of hair a negative for your appearance. 2000 grafts per NW level is enough to make your hair a real asset to your appearance. 1000 grafts per NW level is probably gonna make your hair indifferent. Not great and not bad.

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the B spot

22.07.2008, 21:28

@ cal
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� � A good rule of thumb is to multiply your NW x 1000 grafts.
�
�
� This is true, but it is not what gives movie-star results. This formula
� owes as much to limited donor supplies as it owes to patient satisfaction.
�
�
� 1000 per NW level is enough grafts to look thick enough that your head is
� covered. Enough that you don't get called "baldheaded" anymore and you
� don't just wish you could buzz it all off anymore.
�
�
� Zero grafts will make your lack of hair a negative for your appearance.
� 2000 grafts per NW level is enough to make your hair a real asset to your
� appearance. 1000 grafts per NW level is probably gonna make your hair
� indifferent. Not great and not bad.

Cal, I understand that but for a NW7 who has already had 2900 grafts a realistic estimate is needed.

In the case of most people anything 45-55 fu cm/2 will satisfy them immensely--- for a NW7 with 200cm of baldness that tops out at about 11,000 grafts, which is probably unrealistic.

There are various levels of patient wants and needs---finding the balance between the two is often difficult, especially for those who "want" more than can be, or should be done.

You are right though, 1000 grafts is more of a solid guideline but 2000 per NW level would pretty nice indeed!!!!!

Take Care,
Jason

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cal

23.07.2008, 02:12

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Oh yeah, I agree that for a NW#7 that's all that's realistic. Totally agree.

I just get queasy when that 1000 grafts figure gets tossed around without any asterisk on it. I'm just thinking of the tons of people with all different loss levels & expectations that are liable to be surfing threads like this.

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therapy

23.07.2008, 10:36

@ the B spot
NW x 1000 grafts
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� A good rule of thumb is to multiply your NW x 1000 grafts.
�
� It is not an exact count, but it tends to give you a decent idea of what
� is needed.

This is the first time I heard of this rule, I think it's brilliant it does sound about right, NW x 1000 grafts.

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quarterhead 15.07.2008, 14:33	please be honest and tell me this (Hair Transplant) Post reply
	how many grafts are needed to get a norwood 7 to norwood 4? i know everyone will start saying it depends on hair diameter and color.. etc, but approximatly there should be an average. can any of the doctors and people in the forum help with this? quarterhead is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
ipod 15.07.2008, 14:40 @ quarterhead	please be honest and tell me this Post reply
	� how many grafts are needed to get a norwood 7 to norwood 4? � i know everyone will start saying it depends on hair diameter and color.. � etc, � but approximatly there should be an average. � can any of the doctors and people in the forum help with this? it depends on hair diameter and color ipod is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- NW3 - Propecia /Saw Palmetto Topical Spiro / Rogaine Foam (quit REMOX IV) High does vitamin C / Lysine / Nizoral / Tea Tree Oil Shampoo
quarterhead 15.07.2008, 14:46 @ ipod	please be honest and tell me this Post reply
	can u get serious about this. i already had 3 ht. total of 2900 grafts. and the reults i c from other people look much better. quarterhead is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
therapy 15.07.2008, 14:57 @ quarterhead	please be honest and tell me this Post reply
	� can u get serious about this. � i already had 3 ht. total of 2900 grafts. and the reults i c from other � people look much better. 2900 is not a lot, I think it is unlikely that you could become a NW4 with just 2900. therapy is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
marco U.K, 15.07.2008, 16:15 @ quarterhead	please be honest and tell me this Post reply
	� how many grafts are needed to get a norwood 7 to norwood 4? � i know everyone will start saying it depends on hair diameter and color.. � etc, � but approximatly there should be an average. � can any of the doctors and people in the forum help with this? See this link http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-33703-page-0-category-2-order-last_answer.html marco has 1 Personal Journal(s). Click here to view marco is located in U.K and he is available to meet: NO
ipod 15.07.2008, 16:56 (edited by ipod, 15.07.2008, 17:17) @ marco	please be honest and tell me this Post reply
	� � how many grafts are needed to get a norwood 7 to norwood 4? � � i know everyone will start saying it depends on hair diameter and � color.. � � etc, � � but approximatly there should be an average. � � can any of the doctors and people in the forum help with this? � � See this link � � http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-33703-page-0-category-2-order-last_answer.html You should add a disclaimer that this is the best possible scenario and chances are that most NW7 look a lot less flattering aafter 5000grafts. ipod is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- NW3 - Propecia /Saw Palmetto Topical Spiro / Rogaine Foam (quit REMOX IV) High does vitamin C / Lysine / Nizoral / Tea Tree Oil Shampoo
marco U.K, 15.07.2008, 17:44 @ ipod	please be honest and tell me this Post reply
	� � � how many grafts are needed to get a norwood 7 to norwood 4? � � � i know everyone will start saying it depends on hair diameter and � � color.. � � � etc, � � � but approximatly there should be an average. � � � can any of the doctors and people in the forum help with this? � � � � See this link � � � � � http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-33703-page-0-category-2-order-last_answer.html � � You should add a disclaimer that this is the best possible scenario and � chances are that most NW7 look a lot less flattering aafter 5000grafts. I wonder???? The birds eye view shows that it is VERY thin coverage but at that length it creates a good illusion / shadow. Is this optomistic? Maybe / maybe not. I am not sure. Uhhhhhh..... maybe your right. No, I think it is reasonable. No actually your probably right. marco has 1 Personal Journal(s). Click here to view marco is located in U.K and he is available to meet: NO
cal 15.07.2008, 17:52 @ marco	please be honest and tell me this Post reply
	If you're a NW#7 and you haven't already got your first HT, then DON'T start getting them. I would say this to a lot of NW#5s and NW#6s, let alone NW#7s. cal is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
marco U.K, 15.07.2008, 18:07 @ cal	please be honest and tell me this Post reply
	� If you're a NW#7 and you haven't already got your first HT, then DON'T � start getting them. � � I would say this to a lot of NW#5s and NW#6s, let alone NW#7s. Well the patient in the link did pretty well! marco has 1 Personal Journal(s). Click here to view marco is located in U.K and he is available to meet: NO
nwone 16.07.2008, 21:19 @ marco	please be honest and tell me this Post reply
	� � If you're a NW#7 and you haven't already got your first HT, then DON'T � � start getting them. � � � � I would say this to a lot of NW#5s and NW#6s, let alone NW#7s. � � Well the patient in the link did pretty well! very true. U think 2000 is good? nwone is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
checkingin 17.07.2008, 17:13 @ marco	please be honest and tell me this Post reply
	� � If you're a NW#7 and you haven't already got your first HT, then DON'T � � start getting them. � � � � I would say this to a lot of NW#5s and NW#6s, let alone NW#7s. � � Well the patient in the link did pretty well! You are correct Marco, but he has very low density on his side that doesn't "compete" with his top. The other thing is a very "white" scalp will not look nearly this good because of the contrast. Typically NW7's are not good candidates for HT even with body hair and beard hair. checkingin has 15 Personal Journal(s). Click here to view checkingin is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- Personal Journal http://hairsite.com/serendipity/authors/29-Checkingin
marco U.K, 17.07.2008, 17:33 @ nwone	please be honest and tell me this Post reply
	� � � If you're a NW#7 and you haven't already got your first HT, then DON'T � � � start getting them. � � � � � � I would say this to a lot of NW#5s and NW#6s, let alone NW#7s. � � � � Well the patient in the link did pretty well! � very true. U think 2000 is good? I don't quite understand what you mean. I am wondering where 2000 comes from?? marco has 1 Personal Journal(s). Click here to view marco is located in U.K and he is available to meet: NO
hairwhereiwantit 18.07.2008, 15:11 @ cal	please be honest and tell me this Post reply
	� If you're a NW#7 and you haven't already got your first HT, then DON'T � start getting them. � � I would say this to a lot of NW#5s and NW#6s, let alone NW#7s. Quarterheads second post: i already had 3 ht. total of 2900 grafts. hairwhereiwantit has 6 Personal Journal(s). Click here to view hairwhereiwantit is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
RAJESH 22.07.2008, 11:42 @ checkingin	please be honest and tell me this Post reply
	The other thing is a very "white" scalp � will not look nearly this good because of the contrast. � White scalp with blond hair?! Why not? I guess it will not work well in my case. Whitish scalp with black hair. RAJESH has 6 Personal Journal(s). Click here to view RAJESH is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- My blog and hair transplant experience - http://myhairtransplant101.blogspot.com/
the B spot 22.07.2008, 16:03 @ RAJESH	please be honest and tell me this Post reply
	A good rule of thumb is to multiply your NW x 1000 grafts. It is not an exact count, but it tends to give you a decent idea of what is needed. However, a NW7 is unlikely to have enough donor hair to get 7000 grafts. At 2900 I would look to maximize your remaining donor and make sure you build up your sides/lateral humps and forget any real crown work. Some patients who achieve an excellent result over a large balding area 200+cm often choose to establish a natural, age appropriate hairline followed by transplanting 30-35 fu's cm/2 over 200cm of baldness (this equals 6000 grafts) They then shave down as far as their resulting scar allows them (for most good docs a #3-#4) and they get a slight tan and look 100% better. It is all in your expectations. If you have done 2900 grafts via strip, I would suggest doing 1 larger surgery via strip (2500-3000 grafts if possible) and if the resulting scar is excellent, switch to FUE--to extract those last few grafts. It may take some time, but in the right hands, you could have an excellent result. Take Care, Jason the B spot is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- I am a Patient Advocate for the Shapiro Medical Group. My opinions are my own, unless otherwise expressed. My advice is not medical advice.
cal 22.07.2008, 17:17 @ the B spot	please be honest and tell me this Post reply
	� A good rule of thumb is to multiply your NW x 1000 grafts. This is true, but it is not what gives movie-star results. This formula owes as much to limited donor supplies as it owes to patient satisfaction. 1000 per NW level is enough grafts to look thick enough that your head is covered. Enough that you don't get called "baldheaded" anymore and you don't just wish you could buzz it all off anymore. Zero grafts will make your lack of hair a negative for your appearance. 2000 grafts per NW level is enough to make your hair a real asset to your appearance. 1000 grafts per NW level is probably gonna make your hair indifferent. Not great and not bad. cal is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
the B spot 22.07.2008, 21:28 @ cal	please be honest and tell me this Post reply
	� � A good rule of thumb is to multiply your NW x 1000 grafts. � � � This is true, but it is not what gives movie-star results. This formula � owes as much to limited donor supplies as it owes to patient satisfaction. � � � 1000 per NW level is enough grafts to look thick enough that your head is � covered. Enough that you don't get called "baldheaded" anymore and you � don't just wish you could buzz it all off anymore. � � � Zero grafts will make your lack of hair a negative for your appearance. � 2000 grafts per NW level is enough to make your hair a real asset to your � appearance. 1000 grafts per NW level is probably gonna make your hair � indifferent. Not great and not bad. Cal, I understand that but for a NW7 who has already had 2900 grafts a realistic estimate is needed. In the case of most people anything 45-55 fu cm/2 will satisfy them immensely--- for a NW7 with 200cm of baldness that tops out at about 11,000 grafts, which is probably unrealistic. There are various levels of patient wants and needs---finding the balance between the two is often difficult, especially for those who "want" more than can be, or should be done. You are right though, 1000 grafts is more of a solid guideline but 2000 per NW level would pretty nice indeed!!!!! Take Care, Jason the B spot is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- I am a Patient Advocate for the Shapiro Medical Group. My opinions are my own, unless otherwise expressed. My advice is not medical advice.
cal 23.07.2008, 02:12 @ the B spot	please be honest and tell me this Post reply
	Oh yeah, I agree that for a NW#7 that's all that's realistic. Totally agree. I just get queasy when that 1000 grafts figure gets tossed around without any asterisk on it. I'm just thinking of the tons of people with all different loss levels & expectations that are liable to be surfing threads like this. cal is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
therapy 23.07.2008, 10:36 @ the B spot	NW x 1000 grafts Post reply
	� A good rule of thumb is to multiply your NW x 1000 grafts. � � It is not an exact count, but it tends to give you a decent idea of what � is needed. This is the first time I heard of this rule, I think it's brilliant it does sound about right, NW x 1000 grafts. therapy is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO