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27.07.2008, 20:58 |
Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair (Hair Loss Research & Clinical Trials) |
Official announcement for Dr. Robert Jones
Dr. Robert Jones now has access to Acell's Extracellular Matrix (ECM) products for wound healing. Anyone interested in signing up as a test patient, please email hairsite@aol.com immediately for details.
There is no fee and no cost involved except for traveling expenses that you might have to incur to get to his clinic in Toronto, Canada. Toronto is about 1 hour away by air from major airports in the New York, New Jersey area.
At this point, it will be tested on patients with existing strip scars. Only a very SMALL and localized area will be treated using Acell's ECM product. Follow-up visits are required probably on a weekly or monthly basis. Priority will be given to Canadian residents.
Readers are advised that this is an experiment for hair transplant wound repair. There are risks involved and is no guarantee for success. You are strongly advised to speak to representatives at Acell as well as Dr. Jones to fully understand the potentials and possible side effects associated with the treatment before signing up as a test patient.
This announcement is posted on behalf of Dr. Robert Jones' clinic. HairSite is NOT involved in this experiment in any way whatsoever.
If you are interested in signing up as a test patient, please email HairSite@aol.com. Dr. Jones can start the treatment now.
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SPQR
04.08.2008, 14:30
@ Ahab
|
From Jotronic (Hasson & Wong) |
» » Well, I'll just dish out what I know. Acell is confident that their
» product
» » will regrow however there is a caveat. For all the tissue and hair to
» grow
» . . . . . . .
» » ---
» » Joe Tillman
» » aka, Jotronic
» » Hasson & Wong
»
»
» Acell is confident that their product will regrow.. WHAT??
»
» Regrow skin?
»
» Regrow Hair??
»
» REGROW WHAT????
skin, maybe hairs
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Ahab
04.08.2008, 14:25
@ Willy
|
From Jotronic (Hasson & Wong) |
» Well, I'll just dish out what I know. Acell is confident that their product
» will regrow however there is a caveat. For all the tissue and hair to grow
. . . . . . .
» ---
» Joe Tillman
» aka, Jotronic
» Hasson & Wong
Acell is confident that their product will regrow.. WHAT??
Regrow skin?
Regrow Hair??
REGROW WHAT????
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Willy
04.08.2008, 08:40
@ mato232
|
From Jotronic (Hasson & Wong) |
» » On the other hand, and I think this is much more practical, the sheets
» » could be placed inside the wound, close it up, then let it heal like
» any
» » strip wound then it should result in no scar and some hair in the
» narrow
» » area that regenerated. This is not my hypothesis, this is that of the VP
» of
» » Acell as I've spoken to him about this recently. So, in the case of
» scar
» » tissue, the scar could be cut out, then the matrix sheet (applied over
» the
» » powerder), then the area *should* heal up as if nothing was ever done.
» » Again, this is from the mouth of the VP of Acell, not me. This is what
» he
» » came to after I explained in more detail the nature of the procedure.
» So,
» » while some tissue would be regenerated it would only be enough to fill
» the
» » void where scar tissue would normally have formed.
»
» » And by the way, Z22, I don't think you meant it like this but for our
» » patients there is no real drawback from our procedure. They don't
» really
» » mind the scar because they are not head shavers else we wouldn't be
» booked
» » for a couple of months out.
»
» Personally I think if it can turn a thin scar into an almost no-scar,
» it'ill be already a great goal for many scarred/bald people. Even if they
» don'shave their heads, I'm sure, if asked, everybody is concerned about his
» strip scar, he just chooses to bear it!
»
» About the after transplant following every 3/4 days dressing, maybe I'm
» naive, but couldn't be done by a trustworthy nearby doctor, even if he does
» not perform transplants? You call it a dressing, generrally nurses do it!
I agree that having no scar would obviously be a good thing. I have a strip scar and it does not bother me AT ALL, but I guess if given the choice I would rather not have it.
You also brought up a very good point that I didn't think of. Why couldn't you just go to a local doctor to reapply the Acell sheets? That makes perfect sense to me.
Take Care,
Bill
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mato232
04.08.2008, 06:24
@ Willy
|
From Jotronic (Hasson & Wong) |
» On the other hand, and I think this is much more practical, the sheets
» could be placed inside the wound, close it up, then let it heal like any
» strip wound then it should result in no scar and some hair in the narrow
» area that regenerated. This is not my hypothesis, this is that of the VP of
» Acell as I've spoken to him about this recently. So, in the case of scar
» tissue, the scar could be cut out, then the matrix sheet (applied over the
» powerder), then the area *should* heal up as if nothing was ever done.
» Again, this is from the mouth of the VP of Acell, not me. This is what he
» came to after I explained in more detail the nature of the procedure. So,
» while some tissue would be regenerated it would only be enough to fill the
» void where scar tissue would normally have formed.
» And by the way, Z22, I don't think you meant it like this but for our
» patients there is no real drawback from our procedure. They don't really
» mind the scar because they are not head shavers else we wouldn't be booked
» for a couple of months out.
Personally I think if it can turn a thin scar into an almost no-scar, it'ill be already a great goal for many scarred/bald people. Even if they don'shave their heads, I'm sure, if asked, everybody is concerned about his strip scar, he just chooses to bear it!
About the after transplant following every 3/4 days dressing, maybe I'm naive, but couldn't be done by a trustworthy nearby doctor, even if he does not perform transplants? You call it a dressing, generrally nurses do it!
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Willy
04.08.2008, 05:54
@ SPQR
|
for Jotronic - NT |
NT
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SPQR
04.08.2008, 05:31
@ Willy
|
for Jotronic |
Resolve the problem of the scar, it's a little success... be able to have illimitated donor hairs it's the END of the plague... so Jotronic, see Acell like this possibility. Now i don't go for a transplant not because i'm scared by the scar... but because the results are pretty poor in term of density (in all the head). So Acell have the possibility to resolve this problem; i think that will be more usefull on regrowth new donor than to resolve scars...
On the fact that a doctor need artistic talent to do a good transplant, i'm with you. But i'v mailed a lot of doctors not to improve business of doctors that are less responsible or less expensive... only because more people try, and more chance to resolve the problem we have.
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Willy
03.08.2008, 23:45
@ Willy
|
Jotronic's Answer |
Willy,
"If this is what you are saying then I fail to see the benefit. Once you suture the wound closed, how will the Acell sheet prevent scarring? Is the sheet absorbed into the body? Are you sure that the body will not reject the sheet? How is this any major advantage since you are essentially losing the donor tissue and hair that you remove which still leads to the problem of a limited donor supply?"
Yes, the sheet is absorbed into the body but one thing you need to understand, the sheet is used no matter how you do this, be it for complete strip regeneration or simply to prevent a scar from forming. And speaking of which, there is a HUGE benefit to using this in a traditional fashion as it would mean NO scar AND it may mean some tissue regeneration to the point where more hair would be able to be taken in multiple session as opposed to Matrix not being used at all. It may regenerate some of the tissue that was taken to begin with but because I believe in baby steps for big improvements I think the prospect of ZERO scarring, not hidden, not dotted, not tricho, but NO scar is pretty big. Don't dismiss this prospect as having no benefit because I think it does.
For scarring, it may allow for scar revision in the truest sense of the word. If it does indeed show to completely regenerate the donor zone then those that had simple revisions can then come back to start with the "endless" option. I see no reason why this wouldn't be possible after revision if it can indeed wind up regenerating donor that has been removed.
And I urge you to exercise caution in encouraging everyone to consider their local clinic due to the convenience factor for the "full meal deal" of complete donor regeneration. I personally am still skeptical at this point because this is a huge step. It may work, I hope it works, but this is still hair transplant surgery and few clinics are proficient enough to give natural results much less do it time and again consistently. I fail to see the point of getting a hair transplant from a clinic that can help with endless donor supply if the end result still looks less than natural. IF, and that is a big IF, the "endless donor" scenario could work out, the final result is still dependent on the artistic ability of the clinic. I think there are enough patients on this board, not to mention others, that can attest to the lack of competent clinics that are out there.
Regarding how Dr. Jones is able to do this in Canada? Ask him because I have no idea. Yes we have US locations but they are not surgical offices. Our Seattle and Portland, Oregon location are consultation offices only.
---
Joe Tillman
aka, Jotronic
Hasson & Wong
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I definately agree with the fact that everyone should check into the abilities of the doctor before proceeding with a HT but I sure hope that if this stuff can regenerate lost donor tissue and hair that they use it for that purpose and not merely for scar reduction / elimination. That's why I like the idea of several docs trying this stuff. Hopefully, they try several methods to determine what is best.
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Willy
03.08.2008, 23:33
@ Willy
|
My Response |
Jotronic,
I must admit that I am confused by what you propose. If I'm reading this correctly, you are saying that you would like to:
(1) Perform a standard strip surgery HT
(2) Place that Acell extracellular matrix sheet inside of the open strip wound
(3) Suture the strip wound closed leaving the extracellular matrix sheet inside
(4) Allow the wound to heal as normal
If this is what you are saying then I fail to see the benefit. Once you suture the wound closed, how will the Acell sheet prevent scarring? Is the sheet absorbed into the body? Are you sure that the body will not reject the sheet? How is this any major advantage since you are essentially losing the donor tissue and hair that you remove which still leads to the problem of a limited donor supply?
I think that most people who are willing to go through the inconvenience of getting a HT (I've had 3 strip surgeries) would be willing to go an added inconvience to attain a "full" head of hair. If the purpose would only be to reduce scarring the a patient could easily just get FUE right now.
The fact that the patient must return to the HT clinic supports the reason why I'm contacting as many HT doctors as possible. It would benefit the HT patients of this forum to get a HT at a location convenient to them for this reason. For any patients considering a HT........YOU SHOULD ASK THE DOCTOR IF THEY HAVE CHECKED INTO ACELL. This stuff can be distributed to ANY doctor.........I've had several phone conversations with the company myself.
If this stuff does have the capabilities to regenerate donor hair.....I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE USED TO DO SO!
BTW.....Jotronic, did you happen to read my post about ordering Acell. You stated that you cannot order Acell in Canada but I see that you have offices in the US...........Why can't you order it through the US offices (I know for a fact that it's available in the US)? Also, how can Dr. Jones use it in Canada?
Thank You,
Bill
P.S. Has this product been tested on humans? I was of the understanding that they have not tested it on humans for this purpose at all. How did they come with the statement that complete regeneration should appear and be complete in five weeks if they haven't studied it yet?
Hopefully, he explains this because I'm a little confused. I thought you guys might be interested.
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Willy
03.08.2008, 23:30
@ HairSite
|
From Jotronic (Hasson & Wong) |
Well, I'll just dish out what I know. Acell is confident that their product will regrow however there is a caveat. For all the tissue and hair to grow back the wound needs to heal like an open wound. The matrix sheet would be stitched on at the edges to hold it in place then the wound would have to be kept moist. Redressing would be necessary every few days so you'd need to be near the clinic for a few weeks. I was told complete regeneration should appear, and finished in about five weeks.
On the other hand, and I think this is much more practical, the sheets could be placed inside the wound, close it up, then let it heal like any strip wound then it should result in no scar and some hair in the narrow area that regenerated. This is not my hypothesis, this is that of the VP of Acell as I've spoken to him about this recently. So, in the case of scar tissue, the scar could be cut out, then the matrix sheet (applied over the powerder), then the area *should* heal up as if nothing was ever done. Again, this is from the mouth of the VP of Acell, not me. This is what he came to after I explained in more detail the nature of the procedure. So, while some tissue would be regenerated it would only be enough to fill the void where scar tissue would normally have formed.
And by the way, Z22, I don't think you meant it like this but for our patients there is no real drawback from our procedure. They don't really mind the scar because they are not head shavers else we wouldn't be booked for a couple of months out.
That's all I got guys and like I said it is pretty much straight from Acell and not conjecture on my part.
---
Joe Tillman
aka, Jotronic
Hasson & Wong
www.hassonandwong.com
www.hairtransplanttv.com
Joe@HassonandWong.com
1.800.859.2266
The Truth Is In The Results
7917 FU Grafts
This was posted in the HT forum by Jotronic. On the bright side, he is saying that the VP of Acell told him that complete regeneration should appear and be complete within five weeks. I would be thrilled if this turns out to be true. Unfortunately, Jotronic proposes using the extracellular biomatrix just for the purpose of wound healing (if I'm understanding him correctly).
I will post my response to him (in the HT forum) below
Take Care,
Bill
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dave21
03.08.2008, 16:36
@ Willy
|
Here is the post you're speaking of |
Well while we wait, how about those in home follica tests. Anyone having any other results?
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Bald Knight
03.08.2008, 16:28
@ johnp
|
Maybe it will work, Maybe it won’t |
» Marco is a phD in biochemistry or something like that, he posted in the
» hair transplant forum that this will not work. He didn't explain why.
Dr Jones isn’t a janitor,he has a degree in medicine & a ton of experience. The ppl behind ACELL didn’t work the grill at McDonalds prior to setting up their company.There is allot of experience between the 2 here.
Not to mention the military’s interest in this.
I am sure that marco is an intelligent man but his opinion is no more right/wrong then our opinions that it may work.All our opinions r just opinions,not fact.It does not hurt to try,if it fails then we are back where we have always been but if it works then ....LIFE,HERE WE COME!
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Willy
03.08.2008, 16:23
@ johnp
|
Here is the post you're speaking of |
Here is the post you're speaking of. He said that he is confident that it won't work....he hopes that he is wrong which means he is making no guarantee of his prediction. He also states that he does not specialize in this area.
The researchers stated that they are confident that it will work but they make no guarantees either. I'm sure they have impressive credentials also and they do specialize in this area.
GUYS............LETS JUST WAIT AND SEE.
Some info about Acell (Hair Transplant)
posted by marco, U.K, 24.07.2008, 16:15
I am quite confident that it won't work and hopefully I am wrong. On the upside I am even more confident that it would not do any harm to the healing donor area. I am a senior Biochemist but I do not specialise in this area.
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johnp
New Jersey,
03.08.2008, 16:09
@ Bald Knight
|
Maybe it will work, Maybe it won’t |
» Maybe this is nothing more than an attempt for some publicity or maybe
» there is some real potential in this product for human use.
»
» The point is,at least we now have a doctor with experience in this
» industry that is willing to try this product.Dr Jones has the experience &
» expertise to make this work while the guys here just had the best of
» intentions to make it work.
» This is huge news! It may not be a cure for baldness (YET) but it is a
» step in the right direction.
» I am really impressed that Jones is looking at scar repair & not just
» trying to make a quick buck of bald people.By choosing this path first he
» is showing what kind of person he is.Dr Jones does think outside the box,he
» has tried Botox to repair scars.It may not have solved the problem but it
» shows that this man is open to new ideas as opposed 2 the old guard that
» have blinders on.
» I have massive scarring in my donor area & would benefit from this product
» IMMENSLY.
» I cannot understand why some ppl here r so upset by this news.Yesterday we
» had NO hope,today we have some.
»
» ACELL stresses that it is safe to use in humans,we have nothing to lose by
» trying.If we dismissed every potential cure than we would never have a
» cure. For every 10 solutions that fail 1 will work.It will only take 1
» solution 2 work 4 the butchered 2 b free.
»
» Best of all,this won’t b another 5 years away solution. It is available
» now !!!
Marco is a phD in biochemistry or something like that, he posted in the hair transplant forum that this will not work. He didn't explain why.
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Willy
03.08.2008, 12:53
@ Bald Knight
|
Maybe it will work, Maybe it won’t |
» Maybe this is nothing more than an attempt for some publicity or maybe
» there is some real potential in this product for human use.
»
» The point is,at least we now have a doctor with experience in this
» industry that is willing to try this product.Dr Jones has the experience &
» expertise to make this work while the guys here just had the best of
» intentions to make it work.
» This is huge news! It may not be a cure for baldness (YET) but it is a
» step in the right direction.
» I am really impressed that Jones is looking at scar repair & not just
» trying to make a quick buck of bald people.By choosing this path first he
» is showing what kind of person he is.Dr Jones does think outside the box,he
» has tried Botox to repair scars.It may not have solved the problem but it
» shows that this man is open to new ideas as opposed 2 the old guard that
» have blinders on.
» I have massive scarring in my donor area & would benefit from this product
» IMMENSLY.
» I cannot understand why some ppl here r so upset by this news.Yesterday we
» had NO hope,today we have some.
»
» ACELL stresses that it is safe to use in humans,we have nothing to lose by
» trying.If we dismissed every potential cure than we would never have a
» cure. For every 10 solutions that fail 1 will work.It will only take 1
» solution 2 work 4 the butchered 2 b free.
»
» Best of all,this won’t b another 5 years away solution. It is available
» now !!!
I can promise you this much....It's not an attempt to gain publicity. We contacted Acell about using it for hairloss. They've made no claims. We are just hoping that it will regenerate removed donor tissue and hair. They did say that they were fairly confident that this would happen but made no promises.
By the way, I've made many of the posts about Acell, so if it were a publicity thing, I would have some relationship with the company. I assure you that I don't. I am a forum member looking for hair restoration just like everyone else here.
Take Care,
Bill
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Bald Knight
03.08.2008, 02:26
@ hair101
|
Maybe it will work, Maybe it won’t |
Maybe this is nothing more than an attempt for some publicity or maybe there is some real potential in this product for human use.
The point is,at least we now have a doctor with experience in this industry that is willing to try this product.Dr Jones has the experience & expertise to make this work while the guys here just had the best of intentions to make it work.
This is huge news! It may not be a cure for baldness (YET) but it is a step in the right direction.
I am really impressed that Jones is looking at scar repair & not just trying to make a quick buck of bald people.By choosing this path first he is showing what kind of person he is.Dr Jones does think outside the box,he has tried Botox to repair scars.It may not have solved the problem but it shows that this man is open to new ideas as opposed 2 the old guard that have blinders on.
I have massive scarring in my donor area & would benefit from this product IMMENSLY.
I cannot understand why some ppl here r so upset by this news.Yesterday we had NO hope,today we have some.
ACELL stresses that it is safe to use in humans,we have nothing to lose by trying.If we dismissed every potential cure than we would never have a cure. For every 10 solutions that fail 1 will work.It will only take 1 solution 2 work 4 the butchered 2 b free.
Best of all,this won’t b another 5 years away solution. It is available now !!!
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biston
02.08.2008, 23:25
@ wesb
|
To all the skeptics..... |
» You guys are missing a big point here. Neither Acell nor any doctor has
» promoted the product for use in regrowing hair. It seems to be primarily,
» if not solely, due to the interest and inquiries of the forumites here that
» it is even going to be tried for this purpose. It is at least very
» encouraging that several doctors think it worthwhile to test it's use. No
» one has been "cheerleading" here and prophesying that this is "the cure."
» We're just hoping that it might work in some fashion. The way I see it,
» there are four main possibilities:
»
» 1. It will "suck" and be of no benefit whatsoever.
»
» 2. It can completely heal scars but not regrow hair - this alone would be
» a blessing to many with strip or flap scars, at least they can just be bald
» and not bald & scarred.
»
» 3. It can regenerate donor hair, either via strip or fue, to allow more
» extensive transplants. Even if it regenerated only body hair and not scalp
» hair, this could be a positive result.
»
» 4. It can regenerate existing dormant follicles in bald areas via some
» method of dermabrasion, chemical peel, additional catalyst or combination
» with other ingredient.
»
» Personally I feel that #1 or #4 are remote possibilities. At this point no
» one can say for certain what the results will be, no matter how obnoxiously
» you state your opinion. One thing is certain, it's not a "snake oil"
» product that's being promoted to bilk the gullible.
/agree
I think exactly the same.. I am hoping for the #3 or better #4 
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hair101
Miami,
02.08.2008, 20:55
@ HairSite
|
Has anyone signed up with Jones yet ? |
Can we have an update, who signed up with Jones?
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LatinLover
02.08.2008, 04:29
@ Max
|
Thanks Willy |
» Prima,erzähl mal was du drüber denkst.
» Ich finde es muss gehen!Pferde,Hund,Katzen...alles Säugetiere,mit den
» selben Fähigkeiten,genau wie wir!
» Forausgesetzt es würden wirklich neue Follikel geschaffen
Ja, es müsste für uns gehen, wie ihr (Hund, Katzen, Pferde, ...) Immunsystem ähnlich ist unser (untershiedlisch von den Mäusen)
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nidhiguptaksi
02.08.2008, 02:20
@ HairSite
|
Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
Nice Comments
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wesb
01.08.2008, 17:53
@ wesb
|
To all the skeptics..... |
You guys are missing a big point here. Neither Acell nor any doctor has promoted the product for use in regrowing hair. It seems to be primarily, if not solely, due to the interest and inquiries of the forumites here that it is even going to be tried for this purpose. It is at least very encouraging that several doctors think it worthwhile to test it's use. No one has been "cheerleading" here and prophesying that this is "the cure." We're just hoping that it might work in some fashion. The way I see it, there are four main possibilities:
1. It will "suck" and be of no benefit whatsoever.
2. It can completely heal scars but not regrow hair - this alone would be a blessing to many with strip or flap scars, at least they can just be bald and not bald & scarred.
3. It can regenerate donor hair, either via strip or fue, to allow more extensive transplants. Even if it regenerated only body hair and not scalp hair, this could be a positive result.
4. It can regenerate existing dormant follicles in bald areas via some method of dermabrasion, chemical peel, additional catalyst or combination with other ingredient.
Personally I feel that #1 or #4 are remote possibilities. At this point no one can say for certain what the results will be, no matter how obnoxiously you state your opinion. One thing is certain, it's not a "snake oil" product that's being promoted to bilk the gullible.
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wesb
01.08.2008, 17:10
@ Willy
|
ACELL creates brand new fur.......... |
This link has been posted before, some of you may not have seen it. Someone used acell to treat a stretch scar, I copied a couple of posts from the thread at
http://healthyskin.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7270023352/m/1950092315
"acell.com - I have mentioned their stuff before. I obtained a small sample of their powdered product. Bottom line...
strong tca then small amount of powder mixed with emu oil and covered with healing film = stretch mark totally healed. "
"My sample came from a contact that works in a vet office, but i doubt i will be able to obtain more from this source.
The way this stuff works requires that the area to be treated be open, you can't just put it on closed skin. This is where the TCA comes in to prep the area to be treated and the emu oil as well as providing a base for the powder also carries it into the skin. Resolution of treated area is complete. The healed length is like baby skin, and this is consistent with what others have reported. It's like the cellular clock has been reset in that area. Regarding price it should be inexpesnive in terms of production, but not sure what it will actually cost as an end product. It's not actually all that complex to produce, maybe an enterprising biomed student will step forward.
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Max
01.08.2008, 13:13
@ LatinLover
|
Thanks Willy |
» » » Whatever the results from Acell, for all the work done to contact
» » doctors
» » » etc: Vielen Dank!
» » Are you German?
»
» Ich komme aus dem Schweiz, aber meine MutterSprache ist Franzosich 
Prima,erzähl mal was du drüber denkst.
Ich finde es muss gehen!Pferde,Hund,Katzen...alles Säugetiere,mit den selben Fähigkeiten,genau wie wir!
Forausgesetzt es würden wirklich neue Follikel geschaffen
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LatinLover
01.08.2008, 12:45
@ Max
|
Thanks Willy |
» » Whatever the results from Acell, for all the work done to contact
» doctors
» » etc: Vielen Dank!
» Are you German?
Ich komme aus dem Schweiz, aber meine MutterSprache ist Franzosich
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Dev
01.08.2008, 11:56
@ HairSite
|
How much time??? |
How long does Dr. Jones or acell think they will be able to tell that hair does or does not grow in strip scars.
I agree with some of the posters. Acell should know whether the regenerated skin in humans grew with or without hair.
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nidhiguptaksi
01.08.2008, 07:43
@ HairSite
|
Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
» Nice Post
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Sceptic
01.08.2008, 07:27
@ z22
|
Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
» Next, may I ask, is scientifically 'pointless' negativity any worse than
» scientifically pointless positivity? You are attacking somebody because he
» posts negatively, based on the fact that he doesn't know any more than
» anyone else. This may be true, but would the same not hold for all those
» who post in favor of Acell? They don't know more than anyone either; why
» are their posts acceptable? I'm here to try to get a feeling on what's
» happening in the hairloss world; I'm certainly not interested in having my
» hopes artificially brought up because some people are offended by others
» posting contrary points of view.
Thanks for expressing the things I'd like to say, my english doesn't let me do it the way I'd like
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Sceptic
01.08.2008, 07:24
@ rev
|
READ THIS !!!! |
» » I think Acell is NOT a possibility, do you get it ? and I will say it
» » again, if someone feel disturbed about it, like that moron who says
» that
» » proscar is indicated for cancer prostate, then I'm so sorry that I can
» » cry.
»
» Propecia came out in the 1980’s as a treatment for an enlarged prostate.
» It was re-purposed for hairloss in the mid
» 90's. In other words it took roughly 15 years for an already existing
» drug to be used for hairloss... all the while poor saps were getting
» scalp reductions and punch transplants when a perfectly good drug was well
» within their reach.
»
» Willy decided to take the initiative with Acell, because he (and many of
» us) don't want to wait another 15 years to prove or disprove another
» product. If you feel obliged to call him a moron for contributing to the
» research forum while you're busy sapping our energy than I feel obliged to
» call you a hypocrite.
Well, rev, I guess you don't know it, but I never said anything about that guy and never talked to him UNTIL he became very aggressive to me, I don't know why, maybe his hairloss is driving him mad and he is having a really bad time. The fact that you take some initiaitves, like you say, doesn't give you the right to get mad at someone just because he thinks that acell is a joke ( for hairloss ). Anyway, I hope that he gets better soon, it's very inconvenient.
But you can always call me an hypocrite if you like it and that makes you feel better.
On the subject, I think that Acell is just to make some time until we recieve some news about all the follica trials, follica may be interesting but I hope that it's something more than abrasion + egf inhibition, I'm almost sure that's the case, but of course they are not going to tell us. And then, we have HM, maybe some day ...
And sorry for my english, it's my third language and it's rather limited, I tend to write as simple as I can but I'm not always able to express what I want to say.
p.s : it's not incompatible to be a moron and have some initiatives, it happens all the time, but it can be dangerous
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Max
01.08.2008, 06:46
@ LatinLover
|
Thanks Willy |
» Whatever the results from Acell, for all the work done to contact doctors
» etc: Vielen Dank!
Are you German?
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LatinLover
01.08.2008, 06:37
@ Willy
|
Thanks Willy |
Whatever the results from Acell, for all the work done to contact doctors etc: Vielen Dank!
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Willy
01.08.2008, 06:23
@ rev
|
READ THIS !!!! |
» » I think Acell is NOT a possibility, do you get it ? and I will say it
» » again, if someone feel disturbed about it, like that moron who says
» that
» » proscar is indicated for cancer prostate, then I'm so sorry that I can
» » cry.
»
» Propecia came out in the 1980’s as a treatment for an enlarged prostate.
» It was re-purposed for hairloss in the mid 90's. In other words it took
» roughly 15 years for an already existing drug to be used for
» hairloss... all the while poor saps were getting scalp reductions and
» punch transplants when a perfectly good drug was well within their reach.
»
» Not wanting to wait 15 years to prove or disprove Acell, Willy decided to
» take the initiative. If you feel obliged to call him a moron than I feel
» obliged to call you a hypocrite.
»
»
»
» .
Rev,
Thanks for the defense but it's really not even necessary. As I said, I rarely respond to this idiot's posts because thats exactly what he wants. The guy can barely speak english (proscar is indicated for cancer prostate??).
As far as calling me a moron because I said that proscar was used for prostate cancer (instead of an enlarged prostate), it's the same point. He's trying to get me on a technicallity. The point is, the drug wasn't developed for hairloss, but was found to benefit people suffering from hairloss.
Take Care,
Bill
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rev
your nightmares,
01.08.2008, 06:13
@ Sceptic
|
READ THIS !!!! |
» I think Acell is NOT a possibility, do you get it ? and I will say it
» again, if someone feel disturbed about it, like that moron who says that
» proscar is indicated for cancer prostate, then I'm so sorry that I can
» cry.
Propecia came out in the 1980’s as a treatment for an enlarged prostate. It was re-purposed for hairloss in the mid 90's. In other words it took roughly 15 years for an already existing drug to be used for hairloss... all the while poor saps were getting scalp reductions and punch transplants when a perfectly good drug was well within their reach.
Willy decided to take the initiative with Acell, because he (and many of us) don't want to wait another 15 years to prove or disprove another product. If you feel obliged to call him a moron for contributing to the research forum while you're busy sapping our energy than I feel obliged to call you a hypocrite.
.
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Sceptic
01.08.2008, 06:09
@ Sceptic
|
BICKERING vs RESEARCHING |
» » Last time I checked this section was still called "Hair Multiplication &
» » Research". I didn't get any newsletters indicating it is was getting
» » renamed to the "McDonald's Playground". However, if you promise to
» absorb
» » the points in the next paragraph than I promise to buy you (and the rest
» of
» » the kids that come here) a happy meal.
» »
» » 01) Drugs are resurrected/ re-purposed on a daily basis (both safely
» and
» » successfully)
» » 02) This is a RESEARCH forum where people RESEARCH all possibilities.
»
» But I think Acell is NOT a possibility, do you get it ? and I will say it
» again, if someone feel disturbed about it, like that moron who says that
» proscar is indicated for cancer prostate, then I'm so sorry that I can
» cry.
BTW, rev, I have never said that acell should not be discussed here, because some people ( like you I guess ) don't agree with me and think that is a real possibility, but why can't I say that I don't see how Acell will help us ? tell me why
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Sceptic
01.08.2008, 05:59
@ rev
|
BICKERING vs RESEARCHING |
» Last time I checked this section was still called "Hair Multiplication &
» Research". I didn't get any newsletters indicating it is was getting
» renamed to the "McDonald's Playground". However, if you promise to absorb
» the points in the next paragraph than I promise to buy you (and the rest of
» the kids that come here) a happy meal.
»
» 01) Drugs are resurrected/ re-purposed on a daily basis (both safely and
» successfully)
» 02) This is a RESEARCH forum where people RESEARCH all possibilities.
But I think Acell is NOT a possibility, do you get it ? and I will say it again, if someone feel disturbed about it, like that moron who says that proscar is indicated for cancer prostate, then I'm so sorry that I can cry.
» 03) The time we spend bickering takes time away from RESEARCHING
» solutions.
this is not a perfect world, and by the way : acell suckssssssss
Now, my happy meal please 
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Willy
01.08.2008, 05:24
@ rev
|
BICKERING vs RESEARCHING |
» Last time I checked this section was still called "Hair Multiplication &
» Research". I didn't get any newsletters indicating it is was getting
» renamed to the "McDonald's Playground". However, if you promise to absorb
» the points in the next paragraph than I promise to buy you (and the rest of
» the kids that come here) a happy meal.
»
» 01) Drugs are resurrected/ re-purposed on a daily basis (both safely and
» successfully)
» 02) This is a RESEARCH forum where people RESEARCH all possibilities.
» 03) The time we spend bickering takes time away from RESEARCHING
» solutions.
»
»
»
»
»
» .
A few forum members come here for the attention that they must be lacking at home. It's obvious. They are here to antagonize others with the hopes of gaining responses (and attention) from those people. I rarely respond to them because it just adds fuel to their fire and also because their arguements are usually just plain stupid. They are not worth my time or the time of the other members of the forum. They are like small children....if you ignore them long enough, hopefully they will go away.
Reguardless, Acell is in the hands of doctors now. It may or may not work. I am making no promises but it's the first real hope that we've had in several years. I can't imagine what these other members want. Do they really think that this product should not even be tried for hairloss? Any new product will be exactly that.......new. It will pose many of the same risks / concerns as Acell. (Somebody had to try the first parachute).
I can't even imagine why these "negative" posters come here. They ridicule every potential product that comes to market. They say it in a way that actually sounds like they want these products to fail. Why would they come to a research forum about hairloss and act this way? I think it's because they must lead a pathetic existence. They must have nothing better to do with their time and , as previously stated, lack attention in the "real" world. If they came here and posed legitimate issues and questions, I wouldn't feel this way, but that is not the case. They do nothing but "cheerlead" against any potential advancements in the field.
The only reason that I can come up with for the attitudes of some of the members of this forum is that fact that they realize that getting their hair back will not have an impact on their lives. The were most likely losers before they ever started losing their hair and will continue to be losers if they ever get their hair back and we all know...misery loves company.
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rev
your nightmares,
01.08.2008, 03:43
@ Sceptic
|
BICKERING vs RESEARCHING |
Last time I checked this section was still called "Hair Multiplication & Research". I didn't get any newsletters indicating it is was getting renamed to the "McDonald's Playground". However, if you promise to absorb the points in the next paragraph than I promise to buy you (and the rest of the kids that come here) a happy meal.
01) Drugs are resurrected/ re-purposed on a daily basis (both safely and successfully)
02) This is a RESEARCH forum where people RESEARCH all possibilities.
03) The time we spend bickering takes time away from RESEARCHING solutions.
.
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Sceptic
01.08.2008, 03:26
@ benji
|
Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
» Just interested "Sceptic".................Do you think you know MORE or
» LESS than Dr. Robert Jones about Dermatology and hair?
what do you think ?
» Do you think his
» scientific credidentials are more valid than your own, or less validating?
»
»
» If Jones, and a few other doctors, dont get human results with ACELL, then
» your attitude will be justified,
what is "human results" ? ... Well, what I have read is : " Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair " but what some people is saying here in this forum is : " Acell will give me a full head of hair " and I have nothing against that people, only that I have said that I disagree, and I have said that a bit radically ... well, I'm sorry, from now on I will say : " maybe Acell won't give anybody a full head of hair "
» but if the US Military is even willing to
» test ACELL, then they have some very good reasons to believe it efficious
» in human beings----or they wouldn't even be willing to waste their time.
I didn't know they were testing it for hairloss, which is my point.
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benji
01.08.2008, 03:09
@ z22
|
Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
» Okay, long time lurker, but I had to post in here.
»
» I don't consider myself especially successful, and I want a cure for this
» disease as much as the next guy. Even perhaps as much as Ahab. Really...
»
» But I have to say, whatever "Sceptic"'s prior posts may have been, he's
» making some reasonable points here, and you guys are just attacking him
» almost solely because he disagrees with you.
»
» I don't know how much Dr. Robert Jones knows about dermatology. Firstly,
» are we to place blind faith in the judgement of the good doctor, simply
» because he is a dermatologist? People with weightier credentials than he
» have been proven wrong, and conversely, some of the lowly posters on this
» board have been proven right.
»
» Secondly, has Dr. Jones made any claims whatsoever that Acell has any
» chance of growing hair? From what I have so far read, both surgeons who
» have publicly announced their intention to use Acell are using for scar
» healing.
»
» Then let me ask, what difference does it make if the US Military is
» willing to test Acell? Are they trying to grow hair? Nobody here is
» doubting that Acell may be useful for many things, but the only real
» question we're interested in here is: does it grow new hair.
»
» The pictures of animals regrowing fur is nice to see, but it really tells
» us absolutely nothing about whether or not this stuff will grow hair on
» humans. As many people have stated, animal fur is far easier to grow than
» human hair. Someone even posted pictures of an animal whose open wound
» almost completely grew over, fur and all, without Acell. Another related a
» story of his Doberman with an open wound that also completely healed, fur
» and all, without Acell. It seems like, once skin is healed, regrowing hair
» on animals is the norm rather than the exception. Perhaps Acell is only
» regrowing healthy skin, and in animals that may tend to regrow fur.
»
» Next, may I ask, is scientifically 'pointless' negativity any worse than
» scientifically pointless positivity? You are attacking somebody because he
» posts negatively, based on the fact that he doesn't know any more than
» anyone else. This may be true, but would the same not hold for all those
» who post in favor of Acell? They don't know more than anyone either; why
» are their posts acceptable? I'm here to try to get a feeling on what's
» happening in the hairloss world; I'm certainly not interested in having my
» hopes artificially brought up because some people are offended by others
» posting contrary points of view.
Fair enough Z22,
I'll give you the lay of the land. ACELL has (by several photos) regrown tissue, dermis, and fur on animals who were missing all three. Dermis was completey removed in some cases..............down to the bone. It did this despite the immune system being fully functional in the animal.
Follica performed experiments with human skin from the donor area on immuno-deficient mice.................abraded them, and got human hair. It also got hair on experimental animals when abrading them and blockig epidermal growth factor receptors.
Inctercytex and Aderans both have grown human hair on immunocompromised mice by injecting dermal papilla cells with other inductive cells. Intercytex has gotten SOME HAIR to grow on human subjects on bald skin, but not enough to be really cosmetically signigigant to where people would pay big money to have it done. Its probably about as effective as minoxidil alone. However, make no mistake, they did increase the amount of hair on bald scalp---but thats another story.
If none of these three methodologies work......................it really may be a LONG LONG time. As in it would be best to forget about it. Cell injections obviously need alot more work, and it will probably be the case (just like Aderans is working on) that tissue matrixes where cellular injects can mature into "proto-hairs" will be necessary for proto hairs to be transplanted into scalp before good results are obtained. Thats going to take a while as that technology is yet another hurdle in that kind of research.
We have had freak cases of wounded human skin growing hair, so we know its possible. Can they turn on the correct pathways at the correct time to be able to "make" more hair? To "make" more hair back in the donor area between existing hair? I'll tell you who seems to think we can...............Follica's people do. ACELL's folks seem to think their product could make more human hair. These are smart folks. They are working on it. To just hop on the board and be relentlessly negative and defeatist is being ridiculous. Why do you think people (like me) are anxious to get on with the human experiments. That way we will know for certain if it can be made to go. Dismissing it before its even had a chance is ludicrious. Keep in mind, ICX did INDEED grow 'some' hair, but not enough. Will this grow more? We will have to wait and see. Im hoping for something that can make hair in the donor area after some FUE work has been performed. The donor-area cell lines should produce donor-area characteristic hair if it indeed can make hair in humans.
Getfitinib made alot of hair on one persons NOSE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>keep that in mind.
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z22
01.08.2008, 02:25
@ benji
|
Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
Okay, long time lurker, but I had to post in here.
I don't consider myself especially successful, and I want a cure for this disease as much as the next guy. Even perhaps as much as Ahab. Really...
But I have to say, whatever "Sceptic"'s prior posts may have been, he's making some reasonable points here, and you guys are just attacking him almost solely because he disagrees with you.
I don't know how much Dr. Robert Jones knows about dermatology. Firstly, are we to place blind faith in the judgement of the good doctor, simply because he is a dermatologist? People with weightier credentials than he have been proven wrong, and conversely, some of the lowly posters on this board have been proven right.
Secondly, has Dr. Jones made any claims whatsoever that Acell has any chance of growing hair? From what I have so far read, both surgeons who have publicly announced their intention to use Acell are using for scar healing.
Then let me ask, what difference does it make if the US Military is willing to test Acell? Are they trying to grow hair? Nobody here is doubting that Acell may be useful for many things, but the only real question we're interested in here is: does it grow new hair.
The pictures of animals regrowing fur is nice to see, but it really tells us absolutely nothing about whether or not this stuff will grow hair on humans. As many people have stated, animal fur is far easier to grow than human hair. Someone even posted pictures of an animal whose open wound almost completely grew over, fur and all, without Acell. Another related a story of his Doberman with an open wound that also completely healed, fur and all, without Acell. It seems like, once skin is healed, regrowing hair on animals is the norm rather than the exception. Perhaps Acell is only regrowing healthy skin, and in animals that may tend to regrow fur.
Next, may I ask, is scientifically 'pointless' negativity any worse than scientifically pointless positivity? You are attacking somebody because he posts negatively, based on the fact that he doesn't know any more than anyone else. This may be true, but would the same not hold for all those who post in favor of Acell? They don't know more than anyone either; why are their posts acceptable? I'm here to try to get a feeling on what's happening in the hairloss world; I'm certainly not interested in having my hopes artificially brought up because some people are offended by others posting contrary points of view.
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benji
01.08.2008, 00:50
@ Sceptic
|
Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
» » » »
» » » » And clearly doctors dont think its a joke, because hair transplant
» » » doctors
» » » » are requesting to give it a go and looking for test subjects. If it
» » was
» » » a
» » » » joke, it wouldnt be given a second thought by docs.
» » »
» » »
» » »
» » » how old are you, Mr. Blah ?
» » »
» » »
» » ha, i fail to see how this has any relevance.
» » Are you implying im naiive
» » to think that truly professional doctors use bogus products when
» treating
» » their patients?
» » Enlighten me oh wise one because I dont see the connection between my
» » comment and yours. the transplant surgeons are interested in testing
» this,
» » and if they are it has a slight possibility that the product makes
» » scientific sense.
»
» No, they are clever and will say anything that a desperate moron want to
» hear, great interest ? LOL, well, just a " oh, ok, yes, I will test it ".
»
» » Im hoping for
» » the best, nothing more so if you want to say "im not sure if acell will
» » work" go right ahead it doesnt hurt me a bit. But if you want to bog
» down
» » the board with your negativity "proclaiming" it doesnt work when you
» dont
» » know sh*t, do us a favor and shut the fck up already.
» »
» » Last post regarding you. im tired of the forum being wasted by back and
» » forth arguments rather than real discussions.
»
» Bye, bye, acell cheerleader
Just interested "Sceptic".................Do you think you know MORE or LESS than Dr. Robert Jones about Dermatology and hair? Do you think his scientific credidentials are more valid than your own, or less validating?
If Jones, and a few other doctors, dont get human results with ACELL, then your attitude will be justified, but if the US Military is even willing to test ACELL, then they have some very good reasons to believe it efficious in human beings----or they wouldn't even be willing to waste their time.
If all you have to contribute to the discussion of ACELL is scientifically pointless negativity, then by all means dont waste your time reading about it and commenting on it. If the product fails in human beings (since it obviously works on animals) your opinions will be confirmed. Until then, you dont know anything than anyone else doens't know.
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Spanish Dude
31.07.2008, 18:25
@ maneless
|
I agree. |
Maneless, I want to see close-up photos of skin regrown in humans, to see if there are hairs or not.
Anyway, even if I said that this is being a chaotic sequence of events, I welcome any experiment done by HT doctors with Acell. And yes, if this brings us faster information, then great.
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maneless
30.07.2008, 22:15
@ Spanish Dude
|
I agree. |
» » It's already avail for humans. If ACELL were to run seperate human
» » studies to test it for human hair growth potential then that would mean
» we
» » would be looking at 10 - 15 YEARS before it comes to market for hair
» » growth. Since it's alreayd avail for human use all the hair docs have
» to
» » do is play with it a little and they will know within months if it will
» do
» » what we need it to do.
»
» if it is approved for humans, this means that they have tried it in
» humans, and thus, they must know if the regenerated skin has hairs.
» They don't need to run a separate trial for hair regeneration. Just a
» trial for skin regeneration would be enough to know if hair is regenerated,
» and the characteristics of this hair.
But you are not factoring the FDA crapola process. The FDA will force multiple studies, years long each, with data collecting periods between each study and then a 1/2 years to 2 years before approval. They might actually still make the company go animal studies because the company never did animal studies to see if it would grow hair on animals. Of course we know it does but the company probably hasn't collected data on that because they didn't care about that issue since it was being developed for animal injrries and nobody cares about animal hair. The FDA would demand animal studies of the stuff specifically being put on animal heads too. By the time all is said and done it would come to market just in time to for your grandkids to get the benefit from the stuff. Do you want your hair back soon or do you want to drag this out and get your grandkids their hair back instead?
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Spanish Dude
30.07.2008, 21:19
@ maneless
|
I agree. |
» It's already avail for humans. If ACELL were to run seperate human
» studies to test it for human hair growth potential then that would mean we
» would be looking at 10 - 15 YEARS before it comes to market for hair
» growth. Since it's alreayd avail for human use all the hair docs have to
» do is play with it a little and they will know within months if it will do
» what we need it to do.
if it is approved for humans, this means that they have tried it in humans, and thus, they must know if the regenerated skin has hairs.
They don't need to run a separate trial for hair regeneration. Just a trial for skin regeneration would be enough to know if hair is regenerated, and the characteristics of this hair.
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Sceptic
30.07.2008, 20:46
@ Spanish Dude
|
I agree. |
» I agree with you, Hanging, this is being a bit chaotic.
» I think it should be Acell who do the trials and publish the results.
» But they are simply selling the powder saying "maybe it works". It reminds
» me to the company that sells Lipoxidil.
»
» I think Acell should test it in humans for normal wounds, and then tell us
» if the new skin has follicles or not. And publish photos.
» AND THEN, if they have verified that the new skin indeed has follicles,
» then it is the time for HT surgeons to test in in the scalp.
Acell MAYBE is an improvement for wound healing, nothing more but nothing less, not a kind of miracle powder that can regenerate everything it touches, like some people is saying
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Sceptic
30.07.2008, 20:36
@ blahblah
|
Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
» » »
» » » And clearly doctors dont think its a joke, because hair transplant
» » doctors
» » » are requesting to give it a go and looking for test subjects. If it
» was
» » a
» » » joke, it wouldnt be given a second thought by docs.
» »
» »
» »
» » how old are you, Mr. Blah ?
» »
» »
» ha, i fail to see how this has any relevance.
» Are you implying im naiive
» to think that truly professional doctors use bogus products when treating
» their patients?
» Enlighten me oh wise one because I dont see the connection between my
» comment and yours. the transplant surgeons are interested in testing this,
» and if they are it has a slight possibility that the product makes
» scientific sense.
No, they are clever and will say anything that a desperate moron want to hear, great interest ? LOL, well, just a " oh, ok, yes, I will test it ".
» Im hoping for
» the best, nothing more so if you want to say "im not sure if acell will
» work" go right ahead it doesnt hurt me a bit. But if you want to bog down
» the board with your negativity "proclaiming" it doesnt work when you dont
» know sh*t, do us a favor and shut the fck up already.
»
» Last post regarding you. im tired of the forum being wasted by back and
» forth arguments rather than real discussions.
Bye, bye, acell cheerleader
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Sceptic
30.07.2008, 20:18
@ Willy
|
Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
» Thank you for your expert opinion, but I still think that I will wait it
» out to see what the doctors find out.
Buy a chair.
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Willy
30.07.2008, 19:48
@ Sceptic
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Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
Thank you for your expert opinion, but I still think that I will wait it out to see what the doctors find out.
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blahblah
30.07.2008, 19:47
@ Sceptic
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Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
» »
» » And clearly doctors dont think its a joke, because hair transplant
» doctors
» » are requesting to give it a go and looking for test subjects. If it was
» a
» » joke, it wouldnt be given a second thought by docs.
»
»
»
» how old are you, Mr. Blah ?
»
»
ha, i fail to see how this has any relevance. Are you implying im naiive to think that truly professional doctors use bogus products when treating their patients?
Enlighten me oh wise one because I dont see the connection between my comment and yours. the transplant surgeons are interested in testing this, and if they are it has a slight possibility that the product makes scientific sense.
and likewise, i dont come on here and cheerlead for acell. Im hoping for the best, nothing more so if you want to say "im not sure if acell will work" go right ahead it doesnt hurt me a bit. But if you want to bog down the board with your negativity "proclaiming" it doesnt work when you dont know sh*t, do us a favor and shut the fck up already.
Last post regarding you. im tired of the forum being wasted by back and forth arguments rather than real discussions.
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maneless
30.07.2008, 18:58
@ Spanish Dude
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I agree. |
» I agree with you, Hanging, this is being a bit chaotic.
» I think it should be Acell who do the trials and publish the results.
» But they are simply selling the powder saying "maybe it works". It reminds
» me to the company that sells Lipoxidil.
»
» I think Acell should test it in humans for normal wounds, and then tell us
» if the new skin has follicles or not. And publish photos.
» AND THEN, if they have verified that the new skin indeed has follicles,
» then it is the time for HT surgeons to test in in the scalp.
»
»
»
» » Seems that nobody is bothered by this
» »
» » 1. if they tested it on humans , it must not have completed the testing
» » since it is not approved for use in humans for this purpose. Or , the
» tests
» » you ASSUME they must have done on humans,,,,,,,,,,did not produce
» » cosmetically viable results......another option which is not good.
» »
» » 2 if it is not approved for use in humans for this purpose, why is it
» ok
» » for docs to try it out, basically conduct their own tests? doesnt this
» need
» » to be an official test or can docs just say, hmm i think i will try this
» on
» » humans for hair growth
It's already avail for humans. If ACELL were to run seperate human studies to test it for human hair growth potential then that would mean we would be looking at 10 - 15 YEARS before it comes to market for hair growth. Since it's alreayd avail for human use all the hair docs have to do is play with it a little and they will know within months if it will do what we need it to do.
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Spanish Dude
30.07.2008, 18:35
@ HanginInThere
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I agree. |
I agree with you, Hanging, this is being a bit chaotic.
I think it should be Acell who do the trials and publish the results.
But they are simply selling the powder saying "maybe it works". It reminds me to the company that sells Lipoxidil.
I think Acell should test it in humans for normal wounds, and then tell us if the new skin has follicles or not. And publish photos.
AND THEN, if they have verified that the new skin indeed has follicles, then it is the time for HT surgeons to test in in the scalp.
» Seems that nobody is bothered by this
»
» 1. if they tested it on humans , it must not have completed the testing
» since it is not approved for use in humans for this purpose. Or , the tests
» you ASSUME they must have done on humans,,,,,,,,,,did not produce
» cosmetically viable results......another option which is not good.
»
» 2 if it is not approved for use in humans for this purpose, why is it ok
» for docs to try it out, basically conduct their own tests? doesnt this need
» to be an official test or can docs just say, hmm i think i will try this on
» humans for hair growth
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Sceptic
30.07.2008, 17:51
@ blahblah
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Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
» its not about being positive or negative. its just about not being such a
» cheerleader for everything to go bad. Thats what you are, youre a
» cheerleader for negative results. You get a kick out of things failing
» instead of hoping that they work.
I just tell you that Acell will do nothing for your hairless zones, and it will be like that independently of what I "hope", it has nothing behind it ( for hair loss, I mean ).
»
» And clearly doctors dont think its a joke, because hair transplant doctors
» are requesting to give it a go and looking for test subjects. If it was a
» joke, it wouldnt be given a second thought by docs.
how old are you, Mr. Blah ?
» Who knows if it will work, I dont assume anything will work until it does,
» but i dont secretly foam at the mouth, jerking off to the hope that it
» fails like you do. I choose to remain optimistic about anything that can
» help me regrow hair without putting all my money on it or against it.
Why do you get angry with me ? Do I get angry with you for believing in acell ? No. Learn to respect other opinions, don't make a fool of yourself. Have a good day, I think everything is said, you like to believe in tales, and I respect it, but don't force everybody to follow you. By the way, the "jerking off" has made me laugh, my english is very limited.
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