HairSite
 
All Over,
27.07.2008, 20:58 |
Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair (Hair Loss Research & Clinical Trials) |
Official announcement for Dr. Robert Jones
Dr. Robert Jones now has access to Acell's Extracellular Matrix (ECM) products for wound healing. Anyone interested in signing up as a test patient, please email hairsite@aol.com immediately for details.
There is no fee and no cost involved except for traveling expenses that you might have to incur to get to his clinic in Toronto, Canada. Toronto is about 1 hour away by air from major airports in the New York, New Jersey area.
At this point, it will be tested on patients with existing strip scars. Only a very SMALL and localized area will be treated using Acell's ECM product. Follow-up visits are required probably on a weekly or monthly basis. Priority will be given to Canadian residents.
Readers are advised that this is an experiment for hair transplant wound repair. There are risks involved and is no guarantee for success. You are strongly advised to speak to representatives at Acell as well as Dr. Jones to fully understand the potentials and possible side effects associated with the treatment before signing up as a test patient.
This announcement is posted on behalf of Dr. Robert Jones' clinic. HairSite is NOT involved in this experiment in any way whatsoever.
If you are interested in signing up as a test patient, please email HairSite@aol.com. Dr. Jones can start the treatment now.
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Amilcar
27.07.2008, 21:29
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Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
Here we go !! Dr Jones is ths first....Guys we are in the moment of truth...This boad was the first to watch for Acell..hope its going to be the 1st to announce its success !
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Willy
27.07.2008, 21:46
@ Amilcar
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Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
» Here we go !! Dr Jones is ths first....Guys we are in the moment of
» truth...This boad was the first to watch for Acell..hope its going to be
» the 1st to announce its success !
I know of 2 other doctors who have been sent shipments of Acell already. I also received an e-mail from another doctor (who posts here often) about obtaining Acell. I called Acell for him (and left a message) and forwarded his e-mail to them. Hopefully, they have sent a shipment to him (but I don't know). Dr. Jones makes 4. At least these doctors must think that Acell must have some chance of benefiting HT patients.
Take Care,
Bill
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benji
27.07.2008, 21:51
@ Willy
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Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
» » Here we go !! Dr Jones is ths first....Guys we are in the moment of
» » truth...This boad was the first to watch for Acell..hope its going to
» be
» » the 1st to announce its success !
»
» I know of 2 other doctors who have been sent shipments of Acell already.
» I also received an e-mail from another doctor (who posts here often) about
» obtaining Acell. I called Acell for him (and left a message) and forwarded
» his e-mail to them. Hopefully, they have sent a shipment to him (but I
» don't know). Dr. Jones makes 4. At least these doctors must think that
» Acell must have some chance of benefiting HT patients.
»
» Take Care,
» Bill
Kudos to you Bill..............you are being pro-active instead complacent like some of the other posters (whose names I dont have to mention) who moan and complain constantly about nothing working and the hopelessness of any future advances in hair-related scientific research.
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hairless_wonder
27.07.2008, 22:45
@ benji
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Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
If this works well, then these HT docs are going to get a massive influx of patients...and very rich in the process. Good for them!
... I agree with that other poster who said he'd sell his car.
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Brock Landers
27.07.2008, 23:22
@ hairless_wonder
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Any FUE experiments? |
Have any of the doctors that you know have it plan on putting it into FUE holes? I'd rather not have a chunk of skin taken out of my head, Acell or not
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Willy
27.07.2008, 23:26
@ Brock Landers
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Any FUE experiments? |
I'm pretty sure that the one doctor who e-mailed me about getting the product only does FUE. I will e-mail him tonight to see if he was able to get the product and how he plans on using it. Hopefully, he responds.
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Jtelecom
27.07.2008, 23:42
@ Willy
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Any FUE experiments? |
.
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Willy
27.07.2008, 23:59
@ Jtelecom
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Any FUE experiments? |
» Bill:
»
» I just don't get it. What is Acell supposed to do for strip procedures?
» The strip is cut out and the ends are sewn together. Where is the benefit
» here? Better healing of the strip incision? I really don't see that as a
» major achievment having had several strip procedures myself. You most
» certainly cannot leave a strip wound open for any length of time without
» close doctor supervision (i.e., in the hospital). Please explain the
» benefits to me.
»
» Thank you
I will start by saying that I am no expert in the medical field or the field of hair restoration so take my opinions accordingly.
I'm not exactly sure how the doctors will use Acell. It may be by strip surgery of FUE. I have a feeling that many doctors will try different techniques to see what works best. One forum member e-mailed me and said that a doctor he deals with would like dip "plucked" hairs into Acell and try to implant them. I don't know how that will work, but he is the doctor, not me. I guess it's worth a try anyways.
I think that they will need to use the powder version of Acell if doctors want to use it in FUE surgery. The only problem with this is that the basal membrane (I think that's what they called it - the side of the sheet that contains the growth factors) cannot be arranged in a manner where the particles of Acell all face in the right direction. The people at Acell feel that this would not be a problem because, on average, enough particles will face in the correct position to achieve the desired results.
As far as with strip surgery. I think they will use Acell exactly as you said. The doctors will perform the surgery but instead of stitching up the removed tissue, they will leave the wound open and apply the Acell material and cover it with a bandage. I believe that it would be an inconvience, but worth it if it would regenerate the donor tissue.
I know when my father had malignant melanoma skin cancer removed, they left the wound open and allowed it to heal from the inside out (I'm not really sure why....that was over 15 years ago). The incision was very deep (it was in his neck), he just kept it covered with a bandage and it healed fine. He hasn't had any problems with it since.
By the way, I've had 3 strip surgeries myself (about 10-15 years ago).
Take Care,
Bill
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johnp
New Jersey,
28.07.2008, 00:07
@ Willy
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Any FUE experiments? |
» I'm not exactly sure how the doctors will use Acell. It may be by strip
» surgery of FUE. I have a feeling that many doctors will try different
» techniques to see what works best. One forum member e-mailed me and said
» that a doctor he deals with would like dip "plucked" hairs into Acell and
» try to implant them. I don't know how that will work, but he is the
» doctor, not me. I guess it's worth a try anyways.
It's worth a try as long as they know it is safe; I hope all these doctors will confirm with Acell that it is safe before they do anything with it. It's really not worth getting a tumor because if this.
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johnp
New Jersey,
28.07.2008, 00:11
@ benji
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Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
» Kudos to you Bill..............you are being pro-active instead complacent
» like some of the other posters (whose names I dont have to mention) who
» moan and complain constantly about nothing working and the hopelessness of
» any future advances in hair-related scientific research.
I suppose your remark was meant for me? All I was asking is proof that Acell is FDA approved, I don't think that is unreasonable. I already google Acell and FDA, nothing came up, it's also not a good sign that there is nothing about FDA approval on their website.
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Jtelecom
28.07.2008, 00:15
@ Willy
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Any FUE experiments? |
Thanks for the reply (and the investigative work), Bill. Believe me, I am ALL for improving the outcome of HT's, but cannot yet wrap my brain around how it is feasible. I deleted my original post (you beat me to it) because I read hairsite's post again and realized that it was going to be used in strip REVISIONS. Thanks, again.
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bleachkit
28.07.2008, 00:34
@ johnp
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Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
I am just glad that there is something new to actually try. As opposed to speculating about companies whose motives and science are questionable, I think we have all had enough of that. Hopefully this will work, I am skeptical however, of how well those scars will heal and how well the hair will grow back. Hopefully we shall see. Interestingly, we are more interested in how the scars heals as opposed to the transplant, But I wonder if Acell could provide benefit to the transplantation site, not just the donor site. It's worth looking into.
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omgIamBald
28.07.2008, 00:45
@ bleachkit
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how can acell grow back new hair? |
How could it regenerate donor hair once it has been moved. There is no follicle remaining if it was stripped or fue'd. Therefore, I fail to understand how it could provide for unlimited donor. One would think the approach people are talking about would need to be applied to dead/dormant follicles in balding areas. While, use on donor areas would seem to be limited to scar healing. Even that would be a win in my book!
the researchers at Acell are cautiously optimistic that it will regenerate donor hair
limitless supply of donor hair for transplants
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Spanish Dude
28.07.2008, 01:07
@ Willy
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Any FUE experiments? |
Hi Bill:
Do you think a strip wound can be left open without stitch?
maybe a melanoma wound can, but a strip wound looks to me like its going to open more and more unless you hold the flesh with suture.
Regarding Dr. Jones experiment, what is the plan?
Is Dr. Jones going to open a wound in the scar tissue, and then apply the powder there, hoping that new tissue, (and new hair), grows there?
It is a good idea to treat scar tissue, because you don't even need to do a tatoo there. I think the position of the wound will be easy to track without the need of a tatoo.
Also, is wise to treat only a small area first. I think 0,5cmx0,5cm could be enough to test the theory. Just open a "small hole".
And, besides frequent checks, maybe it would be a good idea to get a sample of the regenerated area for analysis after some time. to see if the tissue is normal.
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Ahab
28.07.2008, 01:20
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Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
Hairsite,
What is the object of the doctor's experiment?
Does he hope to grow skin AND hair where the scar tissue is now?
Or is he hoping to grow just healthy bald skin back instead?
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epiker0
28.07.2008, 01:33
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Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
» Official announcement for Dr. Robert Jones...
That's excellent news thanks Hairsite.
Also thanks to Willy of course who's been very proactive in keeping us up-to-date on Acell developments.
Things are happening faster than I expected.
Best of luck to us all, I really hope it works.
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SPQR
28.07.2008, 01:56
@ epiker0
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1 question for you, Hairsite! |
I'm very happy to see that doctors are ready to try somethings new, it means that there is the possibility to give new ways to the standard procedures... in this case of doc Jones i want know this: it's only an experiment for scar revision, or he is interested about a regrowth in the donor area too? It could be interesting if you ask this to the doctor, thank's!
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damraak
28.07.2008, 03:14
@ SPQR
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1 question for you, Hairsite! |
Please add 1 extra question, why only repair and not use it on new patients?
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debris
28.07.2008, 03:50
@ damraak
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1 question for you, Hairsite! |
» Please add 1 extra question, why only repair and not use it on new
» patients?
I guess the answer is - he's not nuts and wont use it anywhere where result may be a damage to the patient before we know if it works.
I mean would you really use it on your virgin scalp before it is proven to work there? You could easily end up without hair and with scar.
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Dev
28.07.2008, 04:33
@ HairSite
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Will this work? |
Cant the patient use the powder form of acell on his own fue or beard extraction holes? Clean the wound and apply afresh every 2 or 3 days.
Will that work? Or must he go back to the doctor again and again? There seems to be nothing on the acell site about documented use of the powder form of acell matrix!
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Willy
28.07.2008, 07:16
@ johnp
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Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
» » Kudos to you Bill..............you are being pro-active instead
» complacent
» » like some of the other posters (whose names I dont have to mention) who
» » moan and complain constantly about nothing working and the hopelessness
» of
» » any future advances in hair-related scientific research.
»
» I suppose your remark was meant for me? All I was asking is proof that
» Acell is FDA approved, I don't think that is unreasonable. I already google
» Acell and FDA, nothing came up, it's also not a good sign that there is
» nothing about FDA approval on their website.
I don't think he was talking about you, John. I wouldn't put you in that cagegory. Safety is definately a concern with any new procedure / technique in the medical field and I think that it is good that you are being pro-active in investigating it on that end. With over 1300 members of this forum, we should work together that way.
As far as saftey goes, I'm really not sure. Believe me, I have no affiliation / expertise / relationship with Acell other than several phone conversations with the same person. I'm just a guy that wants a full head of hair and sees some potential with this company. After looking at the pictures, I think that it can't be ignored. I know of at least 4 doctors who have already ordered Acell so hopefully they will do some research into the safety issues before they use it.
Take Care,
Bill
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Willy
28.07.2008, 07:21
@ Dev
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Will this work? |
» Cant the patient use the powder form of acell on his own fue or beard
» extraction holes? Clean the wound and apply afresh every 2 or 3 days.
» Will that work? Or must he go back to the doctor again and again? There
» seems to be nothing on the acell site about documented use of the powder
» form of acell matrix!
Remember, Acell did not develop their product with the intent of developing a treatment for hairloss. We are the ones that are applying it to that issue. You will not find anything on their website about hairloss. I'm sure, if it works, they will post it to their website under human applications.
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Willy
28.07.2008, 07:23
@ Spanish Dude
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Any FUE experiments? |
» Hi Bill:
»
» Do you think a strip wound can be left open without stitch?
» maybe a melanoma wound can, but a strip wound looks to me like its going
» to open more and more unless you hold the flesh with suture.
»
» Regarding Dr. Jones experiment, what is the plan?
» Is Dr. Jones going to open a wound in the scar tissue, and then apply the
» powder there, hoping that new tissue, (and new hair), grows there?
»
» It is a good idea to treat scar tissue, because you don't even need to do
» a tatoo there. I think the position of the wound will be easy to track
» without the need of a tatoo.
»
»
» Also, is wise to treat only a small area first. I think 0,5cmx0,5cm could
» be enough to test the theory. Just open a "small hole".
»
» And, besides frequent checks, maybe it would be a good idea to get a
» sample of the regenerated area for analysis after some time. to see if the
» tissue is normal.
Spanish,
I don't know the answers to those questions. Hopefully, they are the types of questions that the doctors will be able to answer in the next few months.
Take Care,
Bill
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Willy
28.07.2008, 07:46
@ HairSite
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To the Forum Members |
I am excited about the news that several doctors are going to try the Acell extracellular matrix in conjunction with their surgical procedures. I think it is a good sign that top doctors in the field of hair restoration think that this product has enough merit to try it out. I'm sure they will try different methods to see what (if any) method works best. I personally have spoken with one (via e-mail) that is going to try several different methods himself.
My fear is that members of this forum (myself included) will be let down if this product fails. Remember, Acell has made no claims about their product reguarding hair restoration. We were the ones that saw the potential of Acell and hair restoration. They did tell me over the phone that the researchers were confident that it would regrow removed donor tissue and hair but they made no guarantees about that. We will not know until we try.
Also, remember that I have no relationship with this company. I know that there have been other forum members who have posted about other companies as though they had some major inside information about the company. These members have created false hopes amongst the other members of the forum by making ridiculous claims. I do not want to do that. The only relationship I have with Acell is that I've spoken with them several times (over the phone). They were forthcomming with information about their product and I posted the information they told me here. Even the doctors that I speak of, I am not involved with. I've spoken with one of them several times (via e-mail) and thats it. The other ones names were given to me by another source. (I'm not trying to be secretive.......I'm just not sure who would want me to give thier names out and who would be upset with that, so I don't give any of them out).
As far as safety issues or application of Acell to hair restoration, I really don't have any answers to those questions. They are good questions to ask and people should have some concern about any new medical product / procedure that comes to market. I would assume that the doctors who are trying the product will ask those questions to Acell and will be able to answer them for us.
Hopefully, I haven't built any false hopes about Acell as others have about other companies in the past. We've ridden an emotional roller coaster for too long. Honestly, I do have some hope that this product will regenerate donor tissue and hair. But remember, my main reason for this is because of the pictures posted on their website and the fact that they told me that their researchers were "confident" that this would work, but they also told me that they haven't studied it for that purpose and could make no guarantees. I guess, at this point, that's where we are....studying the product to see if it has any applications to the hair restoration field. LETS KEEP OUR FINGERS CROSSED!!!!!!!!
Take Care,
Bill
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eyikoda
28.07.2008, 08:54
@ Willy
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To the Forum Members |
if it could regenerate donor hair once it has been moved(There is no follicle remaining if it was stripped or fue'd)why shouldn't it be able to regenarate hair all over the head?
willy you've done a great job
best lucks to everyone
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Baccy
28.07.2008, 10:45
@ eyikoda
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To the Forum Members |
» if it could regenerate donor hair once it has been moved(There is no
» follicle remaining if it was stripped or fue'd)why shouldn't it be able to
» regenarate hair all over the head?
» willy you've done a great job
» best lucks to everyone.
It's possible it may work in conjunction with dermabrasion. I'd do it if I could get hold of some.
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HairSite
All Over,
28.07.2008, 11:45
@ Ahab
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Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
» Hairsite,
»
» What is the object of the doctor's experiment?
»
» Does he hope to grow skin AND hair where the scar tissue is now?
»
Initially, it will be for SCAR REPAIR only as far as I know.
Yes, the goal is to regenerate new hair in existing scar tissue.
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HairSite
All Over,
28.07.2008, 11:46
@ epiker0
|
Thanks Willy |
» » Official announcement for Dr. Robert Jones...
»
» That's excellent news thanks Hairsite.
»
» Also thanks to Willy of course who's been very proactive in keeping us
» up-to-date on Acell developments.
»
» Things are happening faster than I expected.
»
» Best of luck to us all, I really hope it works.
Yes, THANKS Willy for the hard work.
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HairSite
All Over,
28.07.2008, 11:51
@ SPQR
|
1 question for you, Hairsite! |
» I'm very happy to see that doctors are ready to try somethings new, it
» means that there is the possibility to give new ways to the standard
» procedures... in this case of doc Jones i want know this: it's only an
» experiment for scar revision, or he is interested about a regrowth in the
» donor area too? It could be interesting if you ask this to the doctor,
» thank's!
There are plenty options for scar repair already. I don't think he is looking for another option. He is "hoping" for the best scenario, ie: regrowth in the existing scar tissue. We shall see.
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HairSite
All Over,
28.07.2008, 11:55
@ damraak
|
1 question for you, Hairsite! |
» Please add 1 extra question, why only repair and not use it on new
» patients?
The product from Acell is intended for wound healing. I assume Dr. Jones wants to adhere to the intended use of the product at this point before venturing into anything else.
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Willy
28.07.2008, 12:34
@ HairSite
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Thanks Willy |
No Problem........lets hope it turns out to be something!
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Ahab
28.07.2008, 14:35
@ HairSite
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THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION TO DATE ! ! ! |
The makers of Acell presumably would have tested it on humans.
AND I suppose some of those tests would have been to regrow human skin.
AND since human skin has hair follicles in it just about everywhere on the body
THEN . . .
Acell should ALREADY KNOW if skin regrown by Acell also includes regrown hair follicles.
WHY HAS NO ONE ASKED ACELL ABOUT THIS?
HAS DR. JONES ASKED THEM?
DOES DR. JONES KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION?
BECAUSE if during trials Acell regrew leg hair follicles, or chest hair follicles, or arm hair follicles, or even finger-knuckle hair follicles . . .
The chances would seem EXCELLENT for HEAD HAIR FOLLICLES ! ! !
And if not . . . . could be bad news.
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blahblah
28.07.2008, 14:48
@ Willy
|
Any FUE experiments? |
» I'm pretty sure that the one doctor who e-mailed me about getting the
» product only does FUE. I will e-mail him tonight to see if he was able to
» get the product and how he plans on using it. Hopefully, he responds.
Oh boy, I hope this doctor that youre speaking of, is the doctor that im thinking of. If thats the case and this works out....hes got my money.
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blahblah
28.07.2008, 14:52
@ Willy
|
To the Forum Members |
Looking at sceptic's post down below this, it seems as though the powder form was the one that regrew that guys finger with the nail, and the scientists made a point of saying they dont expect such results with the ECM form.
so even if this doesnt work, theres hope that the powder form might work where the ECM falls short..but its still in experimental stages.
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Spanish Dude
28.07.2008, 16:31
@ Ahab
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THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION TO DATE ! ! ! |
Ahab, according to Willy, ACELL powder has been proven to regrew skin AND HAIR in animals.
» The makers of Acell presumably would have tested it on humans.
»
» AND I suppose some of those tests would have been to regrow human skin.
»
» AND since human skin has hair follicles in it just about everywhere on the
» body
»
» THEN . . .
»
» Acell should ALREADY KNOW if skin regrown by Acell also includes regrown
» hair follicles.
»
» WHY HAS NO ONE ASKED ACELL ABOUT THIS?
»
» HAS DR. JONES ASKED THEM?
»
» DOES DR. JONES KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION?
»
» BECAUSE if during trials Acell regrew leg hair follicles, or chest hair
» follicles, or arm hair follicles, or even finger-knuckle hair follicles . .
» .
»
» The chances would seem EXCELLENT for HEAD HAIR FOLLICLES ! ! !
»
» And if not . . . . could be bad news.
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Spanish Dude
28.07.2008, 16:34
@ Willy
|
Any FUE experiments? |
but Bill, don't you know if doctor Jones is going to inflict a wound in the scar tissue? is he going to remove scar tissue?
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Ahab
28.07.2008, 16:53
@ Spanish Dude
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THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION TO DATE ! ! ! |
» Ahab, according to Willy, ACELL powder has been proven to regrew skin AND
» HAIR in animals.
If that were human skin grafted on animals growing human hair, I'd say that is encouraging.
But if that is merely animals regrowing animal skin and animal hair--
then I am not so sure it automatically implies the same for human skin and human hair.
Animals can regrow a lot of things even without medical help.
Believe me, though: of all the people on this forum, NO ONE wants this to work more than I.
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Spanish Dude
28.07.2008, 17:55
@ Ahab
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THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION TO DATE ! ! ! |
well, I assume they were normal animals, not immuno-deficient animals. That is something.
Normally, animals with grafted human skin are immuno-deficient, and thus, the experiment is worthless.
But anyways, you are right. Dogs and cats are very hairy, and thus they have a strong tendency to grow hair. This could not work in scalp hair in humans.
» » Ahab, according to Willy, ACELL powder has been proven to regrew skin
» AND
» » HAIR in animals.
»
» If that were human skin grafted on animals growing human hair, I'd say
» that is encouraging.
»
» But if that is merely animals regrowing animal skin and animal hair--
»
» then I am not so sure it automatically implies the same for human skin and
» human hair.
»
» Animals can regrow a lot of things even without medical help.
»
» Believe me, though: of all the people on this forum, NO ONE wants this to
» work more than I.
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rev
your nightmares,
28.07.2008, 21:05
@ Spanish Dude
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THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION TO DATE ! ! ! |
That's exactly my point. I'm sure most people won't remember, but we had a discussion about Acell back in January/ February when somebody posted photos of the animals treated with Acell.
At the time I mentioned I had two Dobermans who injured their legs, and decided to lick their wounds until they increased in size to outlandish proportions. Don't ask me why, but some Dobermans are pretty stupid... they don't know when to stop licking their wounds. My first Doberman licked approximately a 1.5"x4" piece of flesh off his rear leg... while my second Doberman decided to lick a 2"x5" portion off his front leg. Both wounds were right down to the flesh (there was no fur in sight). This happened a while back... well before Acell. Once we put cones on their heads, and treated them with antibiotics both wounds healed perfectly (fur included). My Dobermans stupidity aside, animals have it in themselves to heal fairly well. That's one of the biggest reasons I refuse to translate acell's success on animals to humans.
I think Acell is a remarkable product, and I do think it has potential to regrow/ stimulate dormant hair on humans... I just think the skin would have to be knocked-back to a point where Acell can interact with those dormant/ reduced hair cells.... otherwise I think (like most of you guys) that it will simply regrow skin opposed to hair.
well, I assume they were normal animals, not immuno-deficient animals. That is something.
Normally, animals with grafted human skin are immuno-deficient, and thus, the experiment is worthless.
But anyways, you are right. Dogs and cats are very hairy, and thus they have a strong tendency to grow hair. This could not work in scalp hair in humans.
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- Dr. Thomas Fuller |
Ahab
28.07.2008, 21:24
@ rev
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THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION TO DATE ! ! ! |
>>well before Acell. Once we put cones on their heads, and
» treated them with antibiotics both wounds healed perfectly (fur included).
» My Dobermans stupidity aside, animals have it in themselves to heal fairly
» well. That's one of the biggest reasons I refuse to translate acell's
» success on animals to humans.
Just as I suspected.
On the other hand . . .
Acell must have been tested on humans.
If so, Acell must know if it regrows hair follicles when it regrows skin.
Experimental use of Acell on regrowing skin anywhere on the human body, would have already shown whether it can regrow hair too, because everywhere (except soles of feet, palms of hands) on the human body skin has hair follicles in it!
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GrowthFactor
28.07.2008, 22:53
@ Ahab
|
THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION TO DATE ! ! ! |
» >>well before Acell. Once we put cones on their heads, and
» » treated them with antibiotics both wounds healed perfectly (fur
» included).
» » My Dobermans stupidity aside, animals have it in themselves to heal
» fairly
» » well. That's one of the biggest reasons I refuse to translate acell's
» » success on animals to humans.
»
» Just as I suspected.
»
» On the other hand . . .
»
» Acell must have been tested on humans.
»
» If so, Acell must know if it regrows hair follicles when it regrows skin.
»
» Experimental use of Acell on regrowing skin anywhere on the human body,
» would have already shown whether it can regrow hair too, because everywhere
» (except soles of feet, palms of hands) on the human body skin has hair
» follicles in it!
I have been following Acell for a while now. I totally agree with what Ahab is wondering about. Did they not bother to test the human-grade version of the ECM on humans! They most probably did...then they must know if it grew the hair or not.
But I do understand that body hair and the scalp hair are a bit different but it would definitely be a step closer if it regrows hair anywhere on the body. Hope to find a doctor who will test this !
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hair101
Miami,
29.07.2008, 10:45
@ Willy
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Any FUE experiments? |
» By the way, I've had 3 strip surgeries myself (about 10-15 years ago).
»
» Take Care,
» Bill
Bill is Dr. Jones treating you with Acell?
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email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting. ---
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Propecia for > 1 year
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Willy
29.07.2008, 11:01
@ hair101
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Any FUE experiments? |
» » By the way, I've had 3 strip surgeries myself (about 10-15 years ago).
» »
» » Take Care,
» » Bill
»
» Bill is Dr. Jones treating you with Acell?
No. I live in Pittsburgh. I have had strip surgery, but don't have any problems with the scar (although if I had my choice, I'd rather not have it). If Acell works and becomes common in the industry, I would probably have my scar fixed.
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Max
29.07.2008, 11:23
@ Willy
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Any FUE experiments? |
Does anybody know when Johns the trials begin ?
Thanks...
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follicawork!
New York City,
29.07.2008, 22:24
@ Max
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Any FUE experiments? |
at the end of the day the hair is more important... hence the damm site name.
does it work on scalp hair or not? whos trying it someone should for gods sake!
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benji
30.07.2008, 04:31
@ Ahab
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I dont mean to sound overconfident about it, but...... |
When I look at the animal wounds healing like they do with the fur REGROWN over them just like normal DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE ANIMAL HAS A WORKING IMMUNE SYSTEM.........................the more inclined I am to believe that ACELL will regenerate hair in an area where a wound in induced at a minimum proper depth.
I think it would work in conjunction with a FUE almost for certain. In fact, larger instrument FUE's might be even better for the potential to grow MORE hair in the FUE-hole. What Im not certain about is if ACELL (or Follica) will regerate hair in MPB-scalp that will not have the same genetic tendency to baldness as the hair that was already there.
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rev
your nightmares,
30.07.2008, 05:55
@ benji
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ok fine benji... so here are the big 3 questions: |
You can't just apply Acell to the scalp and assume it will specifically target our dormant hair cells. Moreso, it would be naive of us to think Acell can create completely new follicles (like the Follica concept). The gentleman with the severed fingertip regrew a "younger" (quicker growing) fingernail, but Acell was applied directly to his intact nail-bed. If you continue that train of thought, we might be able to reverse the clock on our follicles if we could get Acell to interact with them directly.
So here are the big 3 questions someone smarter than me will have to contend with:
1) what's the depth of hair follicles in the scalp?
2) what will it take to get Acell to that depth.. SAFELY (dermabrasion, dermaroller, etc...)?
3) could Acell be mixed with some other compound to make it more soluble by those hair follicles?
.
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"All things are difficult before they are easy."
- Dr. Thomas Fuller |
benji
30.07.2008, 06:21
@ rev
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ACELL creates brand new fur.......... |
» You can't just apply Acell to the scalp and assume it will specifically
» target our dormant hair cells. Moreso, it would be naive of us to think
» Acell can create completely new follicles (like the Follica concept). The
» gentleman with the severed fingertip regrew a "younger" (quicker growing)
» fingernail, but Acell was applied directly to his intact nail-bed. If you
» continue that train of thought, we might be able to reverse the clock on
» our follicles if we could get Acell to interact with them directly.
»
» So here are the big 3 questions someone smarter than me will have to
» contend with:
» 1) what's the depth of hair follicles in the scalp?
» 2) what will it take to get Acell to that depth.. SAFELY (dermabrasion,
» dermaroller, etc...)?
» 3) could Acell be mixed with some other compound to make it more soluble
» by those hair follicles?
»
Have you looked at the photos on their site?
OF COURSE IT CREATES "NEW" FOLLICLES. The wound depth in some of the photos is BONE DEEP. The dermis is completely gone, period.
GO to ACELL's site and look at the pictures. Focus on the picture of the cat and horse's snout. The dermis is completely gone.
Follicle depth in the scalp is something like 4mm or so in the anagen phase.
We dont know how much of the dermis will have to be removed to make ACELL to make new follicles, but I do know that FUE surgeries remove the entire hair follicle, so the holes created would be deep enough. I suppose they'd need to be left open and acell applied to the hole--------------in hopes that it would make a hair-follicle or follicular unit instead of just regrowing skin over the wound.
»
»
»
» .
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rev
your nightmares,
30.07.2008, 06:46
@ benji
|
ACELL creates brand new fur.......... |
» Have you looked at the photos on their site?
»
» OF COURSE IT CREATES "NEW" FOLLICLES. The wound depth in some of the
» photos is BONE DEEP. The dermis is completely gone, period.
»
» GO to ACELL's site and look at the pictures. Focus on the picture of the
» cat and horse's snout. The dermis is completely gone.
»
»
» Follicle depth in the scalp is something like 4mm or so in the anagen
» phase.
»
» We dont know how much of the dermis will have to be removed to make ACELL
» to make new follicles, but I do know that FUE surgeries remove the entire
» hair follicle, so the holes created would be deep enough. I suppose they'd
» need to be left open and acell applied to the hole--------------in hopes
» that it would make a hair-follicle or follicular unit instead of just
» regrowing skin over the wound.
Have you read my story about my Dobermans? Both had large wounds down to the flesh, and both recovered completely without the aid of Acell. Animals grow fur.. that's what they do. Humans could, conceivably, grow new hair, but I doubt anyone here plans to grind their head down to the bone.
So let's forget about the animal models, NEW hair creation, FUE and strip repair for one second. Let's focus on the guy who grew that "younger" fingernail after Acell was applied to his nail-bed. To my understanding bald people still have a head of hair albeit miniaturized. How can we replicate that nail-bed/Acell/younger fingernail concept on our existing miniaturized follicles... safely?
.
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"All things are difficult before they are easy."
- Dr. Thomas Fuller |
Willy
30.07.2008, 06:53
@ rev
|
ACELL creates brand new fur.......... |
» » Have you looked at the photos on their site?
» »
» » OF COURSE IT CREATES "NEW" FOLLICLES. The wound depth in some of the
» » photos is BONE DEEP. The dermis is completely gone, period.
» »
» » GO to ACELL's site and look at the pictures. Focus on the picture of
» the
» » cat and horse's snout. The dermis is completely gone.
» »
» »
» » Follicle depth in the scalp is something like 4mm or so in the anagen
» » phase.
» »
» » We dont know how much of the dermis will have to be removed to make
» ACELL
» » to make new follicles, but I do know that FUE surgeries remove the
» entire
» » hair follicle, so the holes created would be deep enough. I suppose
» they'd
» » need to be left open and acell applied to the hole--------------in
» hopes
» » that it would make a hair-follicle or follicular unit instead of just
» » regrowing skin over the wound.
»
» Have you read my story about my Dobermans? Both had large wounds down to
» the flesh, and both recovered completely without the aid of Acell. Animals
» grow fur.. that's what they do. Humans could, conceivably, grow new hair,
» but I doubt anyone here plans to grind their head down to the bone.
»
» So let's forget about the animal models, NEW hair creation, FUE and strip
» repair for one second. Let's focus on the guy who grew that "younger"
» fingernail after Acell was applied to his nail-bed. To my understanding
» bald people still have a head of hair albeit miniaturized. How can we
» replicate that nail-bed/Acell/younger fingernail concept on our existing
» miniaturized follicles... safely?
»
»
»
»
» .
I'm not saying that it will or won't work, but this is the FIRST product that actually has potential and is actually BEING TESTED on humans. I know for a fact that several doctors are testing this....so I would assume they have SOME hope for it. I'm tired of READING about potential cures and the science behind hailoss. I've been comming here for many years and, ultimately, I just want a full head of hair again.......not to merely become more educated about hairloss.
The questions that are being asked are good ones. Now that the product is in the hands of HT doctors, hopefully they will be answered. Time will tell (and now we're talking months and not 5 years away).
Take Care,
Bill
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