TheFittest
20.08.2008, 02:20 |
Nothing has changed (Hair Transplant) |
All,
Pictures and video are virtually worthless w/o *extensive* exposure to HT-hair on the street. You must see *many* results in-person on a windblown high noon to know anything at all about the *reality* of HT.
People chatter endlessly about surgeons and techniques. About "great results." Let me tell you something. Some other guy's results have jacksh*t to do with what's gonna wind up on your head. Your HT-hair will largely be determined by your hair characteristics. And they better be f'ing *great.*
Nothing has changed. HT-hair is mostly garbage hair at high noon. These boards are full of the most laughable, rationalized, self-deluded bullsh*t imaginable.
Do yourself a favor and start seeing *many* HT-heads in daylight. Make damn sure to find guys with similar NW level and hair characteristics. And get off the net. The hairnet is nothing but salesmen, shills, dopey youngsters and preening geezers.
Nothing has changed. The HT math is still bitter and the HT-hair is still ugly. Very few guys have the characteristics, time and money required to get "great" -- that is -- *passable* results.
Nothing has changed.
TheFittest
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Cotsarelis Groupie
20.08.2008, 03:47
@ TheFittest
|
Amen |
» All,
»
» Pictures and video are virtually worthless w/o *extensive* exposure to
» HT-hair on the street. You must see *many* results in-person on a
» windblown high noon to know anything at all about the *reality* of HT.
»
» People chatter endlessly about surgeons and techniques. About "great
» results." Let me tell you something. Some other guy's results have
» jacksh*t to do with what's gonna wind up on your head. Your HT-hair will
» largely be determined by your hair characteristics. And they better be
» f'ing *great.*
»
» Nothing has changed. HT-hair is mostly garbage hair at high noon. These
» boards are full of the most laughable, rationalized, self-deluded bullsh*t
» imaginable.
»
» Do yourself a favor and start seeing *many* HT-heads in daylight. Make
» damn sure to find guys with similar NW level and hair characteristics. And
» get off the net. The hairnet is nothing but salesmen, shills, dopey
» youngsters and preening geezers.
»
» Nothing has changed. The HT math is still bitter and the HT-hair is still
» ugly. Very few guys have the characteristics, time and money required to
» get "great" -- that is -- *passable* results.
»
» Nothing has changed.
»
» TheFittest
Thank you for your post,unfortunately you are wasting your time on a forum that is controlled by paid posters & their employees.What’s even more unfortunate is that bald men will never realise that what you are saying is true.It wont be until they waste big bucks to be butchered or to look ridiculous that they will believe you,by that time it will be too late.
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Duck
20.08.2008, 07:30
@ Cotsarelis Groupie
|
Amen |
I guess your 6000 plus fue turned out like sh....t huh? Yes people do have unrealistic expectations on what a ht can do.
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fckhrls
20.08.2008, 08:43
@ Duck
|
Totally agree |
» I guess your 6000 plus fue turned out like sh....t huh? Yes people do have
» unrealistic expectations on what a ht can do.
I would never get a HT. I can't speak to results, but common sense tells me to stay away from HT doctors. There is zero regulation of that "speciality" (if it can be called that); any Mexican med school grad GP can take a weekend course and start transplanting on Monday.
Further, I don't understand these guys who get a HT just to look like their balding. They go from a NW7 to a NW 4 and think that it was worth it. The public perceives them the same way after the HT as they did before - they're bald.
God bless the scientists who discovered finasteride and minoxodil. Because of those two drugs, I still have a full head of hair a decade after I first started losing my hair.
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Jorge1977
20.08.2008, 10:54
@ fckhrls
|
Totally agree |
» » I guess your 6000 plus fue turned out like sh....t huh? Yes people do
» have
» » unrealistic expectations on what a ht can do.
»
» I would never get a HT. I can't speak to results, but common sense tells
» me to stay away from HT doctors. There is zero regulation of that
» "speciality" (if it can be called that); any Mexican med school grad GP can
» take a weekend course and start transplanting on Monday.
»
» Further, I don't understand these guys who get a HT just to look like
» their balding. They go from a NW7 to a NW 4 and think that it was worth
» it. The public perceives them the same way after the HT as they did before
» - they're bald.
»
» God bless the scientists who discovered finasteride and minoxodil.
» Because of those two drugs, I still have a full head of hair a decade after
» I first started losing my hair.
I fully agree. Make no mistake, HT doctors are here to make money not "help you get on with life" or other such delusions most of these posters believe. These clinics tell these newly created NW4s they look fantastic when in reality the guy looks like utter $hit and is out 20k.
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hair101
Miami,
20.08.2008, 14:10
@ Jorge1977
|
Totally agree |
» » » I guess your 6000 plus fue turned out like sh....t huh? Yes people do
» » have
» » » unrealistic expectations on what a ht can do.
» »
» » I would never get a HT. I can't speak to results, but common sense
» tells
» » me to stay away from HT doctors. There is zero regulation of that
» » "speciality" (if it can be called that); any Mexican med school grad GP
» can
» » take a weekend course and start transplanting on Monday.
» »
» » Further, I don't understand these guys who get a HT just to look like
» » their balding. They go from a NW7 to a NW 4 and think that it was
» worth
» » it. The public perceives them the same way after the HT as they did
» before
» » - they're bald.
» »
» » God bless the scientists who discovered finasteride and minoxodil.
» » Because of those two drugs, I still have a full head of hair a decade
» after
» » I first started losing my hair.
»
» I fully agree. Make no mistake, HT doctors are here to make money not
» "help you get on with life" or other such delusions most of these posters
» believe. These clinics tell these newly created NW4s they look fantastic
» when in reality the guy looks like utter $hit and is out 20k.
Many of the pics do look fantastic especially those from Hasson and Wong. I have never met a ht patient in person before. Are you saying that in reality they are nothing like their pics?
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Pats205
20.08.2008, 14:44
@ hair101
|
Totally agree |
»
» Many of the pics do look fantastic especially those from Hasson and Wong.
» I have never met a ht patient in person before. Are you saying that in
» reality they are nothing like their pics?
I will say that I am very happy with how my Hair transplant looks in person. My hairline looks very natural. When I first started researching I was determined that if I was going to get a transplant, I was not going to have to worry all day long if people could tell I had it done. I chose Armani because I liked his hairlines and having a natural looking hairline is the biggest thing when trying to pull of a natural result.
In the 1.5 years since I had my first procedure, nobody has ever questioned the work I had done. Further, I have received numerous comments from the people who I told I had work done.
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SDS1977
20.08.2008, 17:43
@ Pats205
|
Totally agree |
I don't think every patient has to end up with a head of hair equivalent to an 18 year olds in order to have a successful procedure or to be happy. It's all relative.
A norwood 2 might look at a norwood 6 patient who gets transplanted to a norwood 3 level and go, "What's the point? He's still bald!". But that is purely relative to his own situation and not the patient who was a norwood 6. I guarantee you that the norwood 6 patient who knocks several years off of his looks is going to be pretty happy, assuming he had the right expectations to begin with.
In the end, it's about improving our appearance to make ourselves feel better; your self-esteem is priceless. I guarantee you that I did not go through with my procedure because of what others thought of me, it was for me and me only.
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HanginInThere
Hair loss University,
20.08.2008, 17:49
@ Jorge1977
|
Totally agree |
» » » I guess your 6000 plus fue turned out like sh....t huh? Yes people do
» » have
» » » unrealistic expectations on what a ht can do.
» »
» » I would never get a HT. I can't speak to results, but common sense
» tells
» » me to stay away from HT doctors. There is zero regulation of that
» » "speciality" (if it can be called that); any Mexican med school grad GP
» can
» » take a weekend course and start transplanting on Monday.
» »
» » Further, I don't understand these guys who get a HT just to look like
» » their balding. They go from a NW7 to a NW 4 and think that it was
» worth
» » it. The public perceives them the same way after the HT as they did
» before
» » - they're bald.
» »
» » God bless the scientists who discovered finasteride and minoxodil.
» » Because of those two drugs, I still have a full head of hair a decade
» after
» » I first started losing my hair.
»
» I fully agree. Make no mistake, HT doctors are here to make money not
» "help you get on with life" or other such delusions most of these posters
» believe. These clinics tell these newly created NW4s they look fantastic
» when in reality the guy looks like utter $hit and is out 20k.
jorge is a twat
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Franklin
20.08.2008, 18:46
@ SDS1977
|
Good Post |
It's all about expectations. Go out and see ht's in person!
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Jorge1977
20.08.2008, 19:01
@ HanginInThere
|
Totally agree |
» » » » I guess your 6000 plus fue turned out like sh....t huh? Yes people
» do
» » » have
» » » » unrealistic expectations on what a ht can do.
» » »
» » » I would never get a HT. I can't speak to results, but common sense
» » tells
» » » me to stay away from HT doctors. There is zero regulation of that
» » » "speciality" (if it can be called that); any Mexican med school grad
» GP
» » can
» » » take a weekend course and start transplanting on Monday.
» » »
» » » Further, I don't understand these guys who get a HT just to look like
» » » their balding. They go from a NW7 to a NW 4 and think that it was
» » worth
» » » it. The public perceives them the same way after the HT as they did
» » before
» » » - they're bald.
» » »
» » » God bless the scientists who discovered finasteride and minoxodil.
» » » Because of those two drugs, I still have a full head of hair a decade
» » after
» » » I first started losing my hair.
» »
» » I fully agree. Make no mistake, HT doctors are here to make money not
» » "help you get on with life" or other such delusions most of these
» posters
» » believe. These clinics tell these newly created NW4s they look
» fantastic
» » when in reality the guy looks like utter $hit and is out 20k.
»
» jorge is a twat
Hanging, you better pray you never make it back on U.S. soil. The authorities will be eagerly awaiting to arrest you on numerous child molestation and pornography charges. It may be ok for you to have sex with 12 year old children (yes Hanging, they are children) in the PI, but that doesn't fly here. Hair transplantation is the LEAST of your concerns pal.
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HanginInThere
Hair loss University,
20.08.2008, 22:59
(edited by HanginInThere, 20.08.2008, 23:40)
@ Jorge1977
|
Totally agree |
lets see lets go by your logic, which country has the most convicted sex offenders? I guarantee you the USA has 100 times more per sq mile than the philippines does. So that means since you are in the USA, you must be a pedophile...........is that why you spent half your life behind bars.........you miss those meals through the door dont you.................
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Xairyhay1
20.08.2008, 23:47
@ TheFittest
|
Nothing has changed |
Your post clearly inflames many here. I thought that I'd throw in my 2 cents...
This forum is like a big ad, showing the best of the best. It is NOT indicative of the results that most people could possibly achieve. I'd guess that 80% of HT patients are eventually disappointed with their outcome, and the other 20% die before they see it! I had many transplants in my mid 20's, and the transplants have lost probably 50% of their volume (I'm 42). A lot of your fringe hair is permananent... but it may thin to 30% of its previous thickness!!! So, 5000 hairs transplanted early on... may be just 1500 actual permanent hairs.
These "success" stories that you read will be the future repair stories... trust me. I challenge any doc (or paid representative) posting here to state for the record that the number of hairs that are touted as "permanent" from the fringe area will not thin appreciably with age! Anyone want to step up to bat and be exposed for making false claims? I suspect we will be able to hear crickets chirping...
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rev
your nightmares,
21.08.2008, 00:24
@ Xairyhay1
|
Nothing has changed |
» Your post clearly inflames many here. I thought that I'd throw in my 2
» cents...
»
» This forum is like a big ad, showing the best of the best. It is NOT
» indicative of the results that most people could possibly achieve. I'd
» guess that 80% of HT patients are eventually disappointed with their
» outcome, and the other 20% die before they see it! I had many transplants
» in my mid 20's, and the transplants have lost probably 50% of their volume
» (I'm 42). A lot of your fringe hair is permananent... but it may thin to
» 30% of its previous thickness!!! So, 5000 hairs transplanted early on...
» may be just 1500 actual permanent hairs.
»
» These "success" stories that you read will be the future repair stories...
» trust me. I challenge any doc (or paid representative) posting here to
» state for the record that the number of hairs that are touted as
» "permanent" from the fringe area will not thin appreciably with age!
» Anyone want to step up to bat and be exposed for making false claims? I
» suspect we will be able to hear crickets chirping...
Now that is interesting... you NEVER hear about transplanted hairs losing volume (over time).
That tidbit is certainly news to me.
.
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Xairyhay1
21.08.2008, 09:44
@ rev
|
Nothing has changed |
Not only does the density of the hair (i.e. quantity) thin, the calibre of the hairs diminishes... A minigraft where 4 robust healthy hairs were moved and grew for years, now has just 2 fine calibre hairs remaining.
When the hairs were transplanted, they were healthy and could be grown to any length. Now, 15 years later, they are much finer and weak (just like their peers from the donor site), and can't be grown more than a few inches because they snarl and break easily.
The "immune" hairs from the fringe are not actually immune to the effects of aging. I'm still waiting for a doctor or a company rep to discuss the reality of this...
» Now that is interesting... you NEVER hear about transplanted hairs losing
» volume (over time).
» That tidbit is certainly news to me.
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Duck
21.08.2008, 10:59
@ Xairyhay1
|
Nothing has changed |
Most men will thin in the donor to some extent due to senile alopecia as we age. To what extent? Hard to tell.
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reiner
21.08.2008, 11:06
@ hair101
|
Totally agree |
» » » » I guess your 6000 plus fue turned out like sh....t huh? Yes people
» do
» » » have
» » » » unrealistic expectations on what a ht can do.
» » »
» » » I would never get a HT. I can't speak to results, but common sense
» » tells
» » » me to stay away from HT doctors. There is zero regulation of that
» » » "speciality" (if it can be called that); any Mexican med school grad
» GP
» » can
» » » take a weekend course and start transplanting on Monday.
» » »
» » » Further, I don't understand these guys who get a HT just to look like
» » » their balding. They go from a NW7 to a NW 4 and think that it was
» » worth
» » » it. The public perceives them the same way after the HT as they did
» » before
» » » - they're bald.
» » »
» » » God bless the scientists who discovered finasteride and minoxodil.
» » » Because of those two drugs, I still have a full head of hair a decade
» » after
» » » I first started losing my hair.
» »
» » I fully agree. Make no mistake, HT doctors are here to make money not
» » "help you get on with life" or other such delusions most of these
» posters
» » believe. These clinics tell these newly created NW4s they look
» fantastic
» » when in reality the guy looks like utter $hit and is out 20k.
»
» Many of the pics do look fantastic especially those from Hasson and Wong.
» I have never met a ht patient in person before. Are you saying that in
» reality they are nothing like their pics?
I agree, most pictures look very good, even the ones that are not so good (according to some posters) are above my expectations, I have met one patient from NHI and the work is every bit as good too, all it comes down to is to wait and see whether Acell and Follica have anything to offer before deciding if hair transplant is the way to go. I don't want to get a hair transplant now and two months later Dr. Jones says Acell is regrowing hair in the donor.
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cal
21.08.2008, 11:33
@ reiner
|
Totally agree |
HTs often thin with age. It's no secret.
People tend to hammer on the point that "transplanted hairs last forever" because one of the major noob questions about HTs is whether the transplanted hairs will immediately begin thinning to match the balding area they're put into. By THIS yardstick, the assertion is understandable.
You can find the issue being being discussed on the net plenty if you actually look for it at all. The term is "donor thinning."
Donor hair thinning = transplanted donor hair thinning right along with it.
(But you won't hear any of this around FUE clinics that try to max-out the patient's donor area to the point of looking moth-eaten when he's 24 years old. Just a lot of "Start taking Propecia and you'll never lose any more hair.)
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benji
21.08.2008, 16:45
@ cal
|
Totally agree |
»»
»
» (But you won't hear any of this around FUE clinics that try to max-out the
» patient's donor area to the point of looking moth-eaten when he's 24 years
» old. Just a lot of "Start taking Propecia and you'll never lose any more
» hair.)
Finasteride is definitely a must for someone contemplating a HT. Hippocratic wreaths certainly thin with age. Finasteride+RU58841 would be even better to be honest to help someone keep what they have.
Genetic baldness has been associated with a variant of the androgen receptor gene. 98.6% of all balding men have this variant of the androgen-receptor gene vs. 76% of men without baldness. Whether the gene encodes for overactive receptors, chemically stable receptors, just too many receptors on androgen target organs, or makes receptors on the skull a tidbit more active they dont know..................but if you have that gene (inherited from your mother), your hair will have a strong tendency to bald. Your wreath will thin also in old age, just like older men's wreaths do. Taking finasteride is a must.
Ive read an experiment where a pharmacuetical grade topical alpha five reductase inhibitor called 4MA was applied to some kind of ape's scalp along with finasteride, MK386 (type one inhibitor), and RU58841. RU58841 was clearly the best treatment, but finasteride was the second best treatment....................................the topical alpha five reductase type two inhibitor only inhibited further baldness, it did not regrow "some" hair like finasteride did. The conclusion is clear----serum DHT must play a small role in the progression of AGA once it starts. For best results, alpha five inhibition AND androgen receptor antagonism is needed----even in the wreath area.
I can concur with the Fittest on see-through HT's. I saw another one just the other day. The guy looked like he had diffuse thinning all over his head. If one wants an HT, they'd better have nice donor hair, be ON FINASTERIDE at least, and get a conservative HT. A NW 3 or NW 2.5 is a much better thing to shoot for than a NW 1.5 with low placement that could give you a mess in 20 years.
The very best thing a young person could do (my opinion) is to try a buzz for a few months and see if they can adjust themselves to the look. They might like it and would hence be able to forget about hair. If some "cure" like Follica, ACELL, Aderans, or Intercytex (or Histogen) came along in the future, they'd still be able to get it at that time. Getting a HT in the front means that you can't ever "forget" about your situation up there, and you have to admit to yourself that you have indeed "addicted" yourself to a drug (finasteride) even though it can be obtained cheaply as proscar online. Its still a daily ritual---biting that pill. I wish I didn't have to.
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cal
21.08.2008, 18:56
@ benji
|
Totally agree |
I don't fear the money of Propecia. I fear the eventual discoveries that this crap is unsafe (or at least a lot worse that we thought) in the long term. I honestly believe those studies are coming sooner or later. Right now I think most of the MPB world isn't sure. And I think at some level we don't really want to know too much yet while there's no better option.
Just wait for HM to remove the knife at every balding guy's throat, and watch -- the MPB industry will see an unexpected mass-exodus from Fin once it becomes clear that some kind of affordable HM works well.
I'm assuming HM will still require some kind of DHT protection to preserve the hairs if it works, but I still think we're in for a massive reduction of Fin usage if/when it comes. I think it will be way above the number of people that anyone expects. Just a lot of that "1-2%" with side effects.
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fckhrls
21.08.2008, 21:32
@ SDS1977
|
Totally agree |
» In the end, it's about improving our appearance to make ourselves feel
» better; your self-esteem is priceless. I guarantee you that I did not go
» through with my procedure because of what others thought of me, it was for
» me and me only.
I'm not buying it. Are you claiming you got an HT for reasons other than insecurity about your appearance? You said it yourself; it was about self-esteem. You were self-conscious about your hair. By definition, that means you did it because of what others thought of you. If not, then why did you do it? There are no medical benefits to a HT - why have an unnecessary surgery?
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fckhrls
21.08.2008, 21:36
@ cal
|
Totally agree |
» I don't fear the money of Propecia. I fear the eventual discoveries that
» this crap is unsafe (or at least a lot worse that we thought) in the long
» term. I honestly believe those studies are coming sooner or later. Right
» now I think most of the MPB world isn't sure. And I think at some level we
» don't really want to know too much yet while there's no better option.
Finasteride (the active ingredient of Propecia) has been on the market as a BP treatment (in higher doses) for 20 years. There is a tremendous amount of data on it, and it has been shown to be safe. In fact, there is indications that it could prevent prostate cancer (though it may also exacerbate it in some).
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cal
22.08.2008, 02:33
@ fckhrls
|
Totally agree |
20 years of research is only worth something if it's 20 years of unbiased & valid research. I don't think Fin has gotten that.
An androgen-inhibiting drug being given to adult males, getting only a cursory self-reported questionnaire as to the sexual side effects incidence? They didn't find whatever they didn't want to find.
And what about the number of guys whose side effects aren't reversing after they quit? There's enough of this happening to warrant some real study as to what's happening in their systems and why. (Some guys have gone onto TESTOSTERONE REPLACEMENT THERAPY, and thus ended up with HIGHER Test & DHT levels than before they ever took Fin, and the side effects are STILL NOT REVERSING. Is that not worthy of attention?)
So why isn't Merck studying it, instead of denying its occurrence?
They monitored & gathered feedback on all their original test patients for an entire two weeks after discontinuation of the drug. Sounds like plenty of time to discover longer-term issues, huh?
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fckhrls
22.08.2008, 03:40
@ cal
|
Totally agree |
» 20 years of research is only worth something if it's 20 years of unbiased &
» valid research. I don't think Fin has gotten that.
»
» An androgen-inhibiting drug being given to adult males, getting only a
» cursory self-reported questionnaire as to the sexual side effects
» incidence? They didn't find whatever they didn't want to find.
»
»
»
» And what about the number of guys whose side effects aren't reversing
» after they quit? There's enough of this happening to warrant some real
» study as to what's happening in their systems and why. (Some guys have
» gone onto TESTOSTERONE REPLACEMENT THERAPY, and thus ended up with HIGHER
» Test & DHT levels than before they ever took Fin, and the side effects are
» STILL NOT REVERSING. Is that not worthy of attention?)
»
» So why isn't Merck studying it, instead of denying its occurrence?
»
» They monitored & gathered feedback on all their original test patients for
» an entire two weeks after discontinuation of the drug. Sounds like plenty
» of time to discover longer-term issues, huh?
Are you one of those guys who can't get it up, so you blame it on Finasteride? Come on - 20 years, several double-blind studies, millions and millions of users. If you're going to make these claims, I hope you have some data to back them up. Otherwise, its just anonymous hearsay.
I've been using it for 10 years and have never had any side effects. I've been in a long-term relationship for 8 of those, and I've never had a problem sexually. I have a full head of hair, and its because of Finasteride - it completely stopped my hairloss. If you're losing your hair and you're not on Finasteride, you're crazy.
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cal
22.08.2008, 04:32
@ fckhrls
|
Totally agree |
I'm losing my hair, I'm on Finasteride, it's not only saving it but actually regrowing my temples, and my sexual sides from this dosage are very slight.
However, I'm capable of understanding that not everyone reacts to a medication the same way that my body does. And I'm capable of reading about people dealing with bad effects from it.
Surf any of the "Propecia messed me up" kind of websites for an hour, you'll find complaints of exactly what I'm talking about. Nothing I've mentioned back there is anything secret at all. You just have to look outside Merck's own research.
And we're not talking about a lot of guys who like coming onto other message boards just to bash Fin to anyone who will listen. We're talking about groups of guys just talking amongst themselves. Just comparing stories & notes about how best to fight & cope with the problems this stuff has caused them.
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RAJESH
22.08.2008, 11:02
@ TheFittest
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Things have changed |
Now people know lots of grafts are needed for changing each norwood level. They know how many grafts per sq cm, and even a high school dropout can measure sq cms roughly.
So, salesmen can not easily dupe us into thinking 1000 grafts is ok for a NW 6 man.
Pictures are clearer from the top clinics. They do not use flash. More videos show the density acheivable. Wet hair, even shampooing has been videod and put up to see.
More people post their experiences - good or bad. More people are willing to meet others to show their results.
If you ask me, this site is for the sobbing, self pitying slobs that do not want to move their as" to do their research. They'd keep on cribbing why they will never get a transplant. If I had not gone and met patients in person, gone only by the opinions expressed on this and other sites, I would still be thinking all HT is crap.
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topcat611
22.08.2008, 16:03
@ TheFittest
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I'm sure all the ht docs are hoping Joe "hair plugs" Biden doesn't get the 2nd spot to Obama. Here is a guy that is a walking billboard for not getting a hair transplant. He had some major repair work done, and his hair still looks like s**t.
As for the non believers, let them find out the hard way. Unfortunately I didn't have the same access to information as they do. We will be reading posts from the front loaded youngsters in a few years.
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cal
23.08.2008, 07:24
(edited by cal, 23.08.2008, 07:29)
@ topcat611
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Unfortunately, I doubt that Joe Biden being in the public eye will have a major effect. The HT butchers mostly win again. It makes you wish guys like Biden would get some laws cracking down on them.
Biden's HT work was terrible years ago for sure. If anything spurs conversations about it, it will be old footage/pics of Joe Biden from decades ago.
But he's obviously had it reworked since then. Now his head doesn't look especially unnatural from the frontal angles anymore. And the public knows more or less nothing about HT methods. Modern footage of Biden won't arouse much thought about it.
Some talking-head TV commentator might bring it up once in a while, but I doubt it will single-handedly bring much awareness about bad HTs into America's living room. People will just look at him and write it off as bad old-guy hair. Most people won't think about specifically WHAT is wrong with it.
The only thing I really hope for is Folica.
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topcat611
23.08.2008, 10:44
@ cal
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I agree the average person will not take notice. Because the average person really could give a rat's ass about what someone's hair looks like.
But prospective patients will take notice. This is what money and power buys in the world of HT. You said it best, old guy hair.
Clinics should really be promoting this type of result as what you can expect.
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MPB
23.08.2008, 12:12
@ Xairyhay1
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» Not only does the density of the hair (i.e. quantity) thin, the calibre of
» the hairs diminishes... A minigraft where 4 robust healthy hairs were moved
» and grew for years, now has just 2 fine calibre hairs remaining.
»
» When the hairs were transplanted, they were healthy and could be grown to
» any length. Now, 15 years later, they are much finer and weak (just like
» their peers from the donor site), and can't be grown more than a few inches
» because they snarl and break easily.
»
» The "immune" hairs from the fringe are not actually immune to the effects
» of aging. I'm still waiting for a doctor or a company rep to discuss the
» reality of this...
»
»
»
I've been saying this for years. I'm glad this issue is finally getting debated. This is part of the reason I felt no hope with the ICX approach. They are just replicating crappy donor hair. What good is that in the long run? The Follica approach, on the other hand will create "new" HF if everything goes as planned. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
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MPB
23.08.2008, 12:15
@ Duck
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» Most men will thin in the donor to some extent due to senile alopecia as we
» age. To what extent? Hard to tell.
Most men in their 40's that have MPB will thin in the donor to some extent. Do you consider this senile alopecia?
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EANYC
23.08.2008, 17:41
@ topcat611
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» I agree the average person will not take notice. Because the average person
» really could give a rat's ass about what someone's hair looks like.
»
» But prospective patients will take notice. This is what money and power
» buys in the world of HT. You said it best, old guy hair.
»
» Clinics should really be promoting this type of result as what you can
» expect.
What is wrong with old guy hair? This guy is an old guy, he's in his mid 60s. I think he looks better this way than a NW6. The question is, can hair transplants make young guys look their age, or are they putting thin, old man's hair on young guys?
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benji
23.08.2008, 18:06
@ EANYC
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» » I agree the average person will not take notice. Because the average
» person
» » really could give a rat's ass about what someone's hair looks like.
» »
» » But prospective patients will take notice. This is what money and power
» » buys in the world of HT. You said it best, old guy hair.
» »
» » Clinics should really be promoting this type of result as what you can
» » expect.
»
» What is wrong with old guy hair? This guy is an old guy, he's in his mid
» 60s. I think he looks better this way than a NW6. The question is, can hair
» transplants make young guys look their age, or are they putting thin, old
» man's hair on young guys?
The reason Biden looks kinda whack is that he has an enormous bald spot behind the transplanted hair. The frontal hair looks like an older-man's hair. Biden didnt have finasteride/nizoral available to him when he was young and his hair was already gone when that stuff came out. If hypothetically he'd been on finasteride and used nizoral a couple of times a week (leaving it in for a minute or two before rinsing), since he was 25, he might still have that hair in the bald spot and the transplant might not look so out of place.
Since the media are extremely Obama-friendly, dont look for the press to allow you to see too many unflattering views of the back of Biden's head. Things like that are usually "out-of-bounds" for journalism anyway in regards to embarrassingly large bald spots in the backs of politician's heads in America. The elder Bush had a pretty sizeable back baldspot when he was president and its probably much bigger now.........................but you dont see it very much because they dont show him to you from behind in newscasts and photographs.
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HanginInThere
Hair loss University,
23.08.2008, 18:32
@ benji
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» » » I agree the average person will not take notice. Because the average
» » person
» » » really could give a rat's ass about what someone's hair looks like.
» » »
» » » But prospective patients will take notice. This is what money and
» power
» » » buys in the world of HT. You said it best, old guy hair.
» » »
» » » Clinics should really be promoting this type of result as what you
» can
» » » expect.
» »
» » What is wrong with old guy hair? This guy is an old guy, he's in his
» mid
» » 60s. I think he looks better this way than a NW6. The question is, can
» hair
» » transplants make young guys look their age, or are they putting thin,
» old
» » man's hair on young guys?
»
»
»
»
»
» The reason Biden looks kinda whack is that he has an enormous bald spot
» behind the transplanted hair. The frontal hair looks like an older-man's
» hair. Biden didnt have finasteride/nizoral available to him when he was
» young and his hair was already gone when that stuff came out. If
» hypothetically he'd been on finasteride and used nizoral a couple of times
» a week (leaving it in for a minute or two before rinsing), since he was 25,
» he might still have that hair in the bald spot and the transplant might not
» look so out of place.
»
» Since the media are extremely Obama-friendly, dont look for the press to
» allow you to see too many unflattering views of the back of Biden's head.
» Things like that are usually "out-of-bounds" for journalism anyway in
» regards to embarrassingly large bald spots in the backs of politician's
» heads in America. The elder Bush had a pretty sizeable back baldspot when
» he was president and its probably much bigger
» now.........................but you dont see it very much because they dont
» show him to you from behind in newscasts and photographs.
you cannot avoid bidens bald spot that would be like avoiding Obamas race
its kind of glaringly obvious cant be hidden
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hairwhereiwantit
23.08.2008, 19:23
@ RAJESH
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