Baccy
03.09.2008, 10:39 |
DIY Follica Pics (Hair Multiplication & Research) |
As promised, I got the chance to see my buddy with the cam. The picture posted is taken with one day of growth (I shaved bald yeserday) and in broad daylight with a flash. The camera used is a 2 year old Canon Powershot Pro.
You can clearly see the new/rejuvenated follicles but like I say, I can't really use the resulting hair in any cosmetic fashion yet. The entire top of the scalp and fron was bald prior to the experiment. No sign of life. What I've got ain't much but it's proof of concept. I will try to post a pic with a week's growth before I wax for my next experiment. Apparently waxing could give me an 11 fold increase in follicles over non-depilation. The pic shows results with non-depilation.
Take it or leave it, I couldn't give a toss. I've been fighting for 27 years and I deserve to finally get my hair back. I hope that I do.
P.S. Sorry about the white skin. I normally slap some tan on but I didn't want to compromise the pic.
Also, for some reason it wouldn't accept the jpg file from the cam so I had to convert it to jpg with some demo software, hence the 'image Converter watermark'.
![[image]](img/uploaded/586_image2.jpg)
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Amilcar
06.09.2008, 22:36
@ Itzan
|
Maca |
» » PS : Debris if you are reading me please answer my mail ..I need those
» » Maca Roots  .
»
» just in case you don't find fresh maca roots, I can look for them where I
» live
» I have some sources
» drcb
»
»
» PS.: Baccy congrats on you initial success. Keep it up! Best of
» luck and be safe.
» drcb
Thanks you ! thats so kind.
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Baccy
06.09.2008, 18:16
@ HanginInThere
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please get some free photo software |
» there are plenty out there that are great and wont add the watermark
»
» how about paint.net
»
» free and doesnt do that, its great software
Although I planned on taking some pics, the'photo shoot' was totally off the cuff when my path coincided with my buddy. The pictures he took and sent to me from his Canonshot were actually in jpg format but weren't recognised by Hairsite's software. I searched and found a converter and converted them from jpg to jpg (strangely enough).
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HanginInThere
Hair loss University,
05.09.2008, 05:22
@ Baccy
|
please get some free photo software |
there are plenty out there that are great and wont add the watermark
how about paint.net
free and doesnt do that, its great software
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Itzan
04.09.2008, 23:40
@ Amilcar
|
Maca |
» PS : Debris if you are reading me please answer my mail ..I need those
» Maca Roots .
just in case you don't find fresh maca roots, I can look for them where I live
I have some sources
drcb
PS.: Baccy congrats on you initial success. Keep it up! Best of luck and be safe.
drcb
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Spanish Dude
04.09.2008, 23:34
@ Baccy
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thanks Baccy |
looking good.
waiting to see how those hairs have grown in 1 week.
cheers
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goata007
04.09.2008, 19:29
@ baldIsMe
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Ignore Him |
» » Hop on the next charter to Mallorca and get some sun.
»
» Why don't you guys just ignore his comments if it bugs you so much. It
» looks like that's what Baccy did. BTW, Baccy your head is only one of the
» three things mentioned above
+1...just completely ignore him guys. he is nothing but an attention whore!
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baldIsMe
04.09.2008, 18:50
@ fckhrls
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Ignore Him |
» Hop on the next charter to Mallorca and get some sun.
Why don't you guys just ignore his comments if it bugs you so much. It looks like that's what Baccy did. BTW, Baccy your head is only one of the three things mentioned above
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Baccy
04.09.2008, 18:38
@ cricket
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according to follica ... |
» ... the procedure is able also to increase density and this is beacause,
» like said Baccy, you have to "damage" only the first layer (epidermal
» layer).
»
» For who is thinning a good choice should be chemical way .
»
» Anyway ,the most important thing at this time is a proof of concept on
» human
» (i mean.. Baccy's procedure is quite different from follica so we need to
» understand)
I'll try the Scalp Renew but I do have reservations whether it's going to be damaging enough. Each wounding experiment commits you to at least a month before you can try again, so I'm unwilling to waste my time. I might wind up sanding over the scalp renew if I judge that there isn't sufficient damage.
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Amilcar
04.09.2008, 18:07
@ fckhrls
|
All I see is UNJUSTIFIED, UNASKED FOR, gratuitous insults. |
This is the kind of UNJUSTIFIED, UNASKED FOR, gratuitous insults that no one can tolerate.
fckhrls what you've just said is a SHAME !!! you should be sorry for what you said.
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rev
your nightmares,
04.09.2008, 15:06
@ fckhrls
|
Hairsite - ban this cracker. |
» fckhrls
» All I see is a bald, oddly shaped, pale head
» Hop on the next charter to Mallorca and get some sun.
Let's see pictures of your "full head of hair" Lil'fck.
Baccy - you're doing a bang-up job!! 
fckhrls - you're useless.
Hairsite - ban this cracker.
.
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a place where good ideas go to die.
Follica –noun
a clandestine organization that puts the C.I.A to shame.
Ken Washenik, MD, PhD –noun
inventor of the world famous "5 year" timeline |
LatinLover
04.09.2008, 14:51
@ fckhrls
|
Why, fckhrls... |
...do you ALWAYS have to say such things? Honestly, you're 30 years old...
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streo
04.09.2008, 14:40
@ fckhrls
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upon further inspection... |
» Hop on the next charter to Mallorca and get some sun.
Upon closer examination you might see specs on the top of the head that are indicative of something embedded in the skin. Given the brave procedure that was employed (and the results that are expected), it is highly likely that these are follicles.
Quite frankly this has blown my mind. If this is what Baccy can achieve at home with limited information, then I cannot begin to imagine what Follica/Cotsarelis can accomplish with all of the knowledge from decades of research in conjunction with millions of dollars of investment.
I have seen some friends with very thick hair shave their heads and then having to wait quite a while for anything to show. I think it's too early to declare whether or not this experimentation is a success, but it is definitely heartening.
------------------
Baccy,
You have really done a brave thing and you have given me tremendous amounts of hope. Thank you very much!
Streo
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LatinLover
04.09.2008, 14:39
@ RiuraO
|
sorry i don't understand ... |
» Regarding the Gentifib, I saw some pictures of a slight hair growth on the
» nose of a ¿woman?, I think it is probably perform by the effect of the
» Gentifib with some dermo abrassion becouse of sun burn, but also some
» people grow hair in their nose without Gentifib, so this result could be
» probably genetically determined, it could be interesting for example to
» perform some experiment below the hair line, where never before had hair,
» an see results.
»
»
» » I think it's clearly possible.
» »
» » There is a photo of another Gentifib patient (a different person) who
» » accidentally got hair growing on the end of their nose
It should be logtically the case based on the Genifib patient, HOWEVER, I read a few comments from posters having been successfull in growing some hair on another website (was it htl???) using their "own" DYI follica method; they mention that regrowth seems to be following (and limited to) their original teenage hairline.
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Willy
04.09.2008, 13:23
@ fckhrls
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All I see is a bald, oddly shaped, pale head |
» Hop on the next charter to Mallorca and get some sun.
You never answered my request for your pic of your "full" head of hair.
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-37809-page-0-category-1-order-last_answer.html
Baccy probably has more hair now than you.
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cricket
04.09.2008, 13:11
@ Baccy
|
according to follica ... |
... the procedure is able also to increase density and this is beacause,
like said Baccy, you have to "damage" only the first layer (epidermal layer).
For who is thinning a good choice should be chemical way .
Anyway ,the most important thing at this time is a proof of concept on human
(i mean.. Baccy's procedure is quite different from follica so we need to understand)
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fckhrls
04.09.2008, 13:05
@ Baccy
|
All I see is a bald, oddly shaped, pale head |
Hop on the next charter to Mallorca and get some sun.
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Baccy
04.09.2008, 12:16
@ Steve78
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Happy for you but it sucks for me |
» Baccy I am happy for you, I hope the new follicles keep coming and growing
» longer every day. What do guys who still have hair do? I can't imagine
» rubbing my scalp with sandpaper, I still have hair on top and that will
» kill all my follicles doing that, any suggestions?
The follicle is way too deep to be sanded away by sandpaper. It won't affect follicles that are already there. It will just rejuvenate /form new ones according to your original genetic template.
Unfortunately, size of wound seems important so each wound has to be more than a certain diameter (not sure what size that is). The existing hair will obviously be sanded away in the area you are treating unless you use that Scalp Renew dermabrasion treatment for the scalp. I'm going to try that stuff myself but personally, I don't know how good it is at this time. Apparently it's very gentle and won't damage your existing hair so this is probably the first option for you to consider. There was mention by Harvard of future tech using an abrasive gel to gently wound the area, so maybe light dermabrasion using a cream is what Follica have in mind for the final product.
I do have my own reservations however, that the Scalp Renew may not be deep enough to trigger the correct response. But I'm not a doctor, just a tinpot engineer tinkering with somebody's theories.
Obviously, to somebody with hair, sanding the entire scalp is a big step to take and would involve shaving or buzzcutting the hair down.
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Steve78
04.09.2008, 11:51
@ Baccy
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Happy for you but it sucks for me |
Baccy I am happy for you, I hope the new follicles keep coming and growing longer every day. What do guys who still have hair do? I can't imagine rubbing my scalp with sandpaper, I still have hair on top and that will kill all my follicles doing that, any suggestions?
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Amilcar
04.09.2008, 11:35
@ biston
|
Baccy this is for you. |
» » This is Hair pauly..this is Hair !!
» »
» » Researchers from the Taiwan National University extracted hair
» follicular
» » cells and cultured them in vitro (out of the body) in a kind of Alean
» vital
» » tissue  : the "alean vital tissue" is called EVAL and is made out
» of
» » ethylene alcohol membranes.
» »
» » What you see is the newly GROWN Terminal pigmented black hair inside
» the
» » EVAL.
» »
» » This has been done quite recently.
»
» this research is expect to become avaiable and hit market near 2015
» however, so isn't nothing we can dream on for the near future, but I don't
» know, they had implant those "proto-hair" in human head yet or not? are you
» sure this method will work?
biston,
I wish I had those answers for you. Anyway its healthy hair so we expect that it can be transplanted without further complications ! Intercytex too is investigating the "proto-hair" path : thats an indicator that they consider it to be the viable road after they failed with cells injections.
Where did you read that 2015 timeline ?
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Baccy
04.09.2008, 09:03
@ Tricky95
|
THANKS Baccy |
» I don't know if I speak for everyone, but from me, I just want to say a
» huge Thanks Baccy for everything you're doing. You're obviously going up
» and above what anyone could imagine and I for one appreciate all of your
» updates and the experimenting that you're doing. Basing our hopes on
» companies seem to be a pipe dream because there are far too many politics
» involved. There is nothing I would love more in life than for something to
» developed external to those companies that we can just do on our own and
» stick it to them. All the best Baccy.
Cheers m8. I'll do my best to keep you updated. However, I'm embarassed that you bestow such a selfless attitude upon me. I've suffered hairloss for 27 years and what I'm doing is entirely self motivated.
I'll post up any findings however and I'm sure the other experimenters, new as well as old, will do so too.
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Tricky95
04.09.2008, 08:56
@ therapy
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THANKS Baccy |
I don't know if I speak for everyone, but from me, I just want to say a huge Thanks Baccy for everything you're doing. You're obviously going up and above what anyone could imagine and I for one appreciate all of your updates and the experimenting that you're doing. Basing our hopes on companies seem to be a pipe dream because there are far too many politics involved. There is nothing I would love more in life than for something to developed external to those companies that we can just do on our own and stick it to them. All the best Baccy.
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RiuraO
Spain,
04.09.2008, 08:13
@ cal
|
sorry i don't understand ... |
Regarding the Gentifib, I saw some pictures of a slight hair growth on the nose of a ¿woman?, I think it is probably perform by the effect of the Gentifib with some dermo abrassion becouse of sun burn, but also some people grow hair in their nose without Gentifib, so this result could be probably genetically determined, it could be interesting for example to perform some experiment below the hair line, where never before had hair, an see results.
» I think it's clearly possible.
»
» There is a photo of another Gentifib patient (a different person) who
» accidentally got hair growing on the end of their nose.
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biston
04.09.2008, 05:38
@ Amilcar
|
Baccy this is for you. |
» This is Hair pauly..this is Hair !!
»
» Researchers from the Taiwan National University extracted hair follicular
» cells and cultured them in vitro (out of the body) in a kind of Alean vital
» tissue : the "alean vital tissue" is called EVAL and is made out of
» ethylene alcohol membranes.
»
» What you see is the newly GROWN Terminal pigmented black hair inside the
» EVAL.
»
» This has been done quite recently.
this research is expect to become avaiable and hit market near 2015 however, so isn't nothing we can dream on for the near future, but I don't know, they had implant those "proto-hair" in human head yet or not? are you sure this method will work?
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cricket
04.09.2008, 05:08
@ cal
|
ok.. |
» Cricket:
»
» To make a minor correction, I actually used oral Leflunomide and not
» Gentifib. (Leflunomide is another "non-natural EGF-R inhibitor" mentioned
» along with Gentifib in the patents.)
»
»
»
sure leflunomide .. i didn't think about it ..now it's clear.
» I intend to use Gentifib for anything topically-applied in the future.
» There is more reason to think Gentifib will function correctly when
» absorbed through the skin.
»
» Leflunomide has to metabolized by the body before it reaches active form,
» and it is not known whether or not this will happen when it gets applied
» topically. Leflunomide is only guaranteed to work when taken orally, so
» trying to use it as a topical formulation would create another unnessecary
» variable in the experiment that I don't want.
Totally agree , better topical gefitinib for a bunch of reasons.
This also what i'm searching to try with the help of a dermatologist.
About it, i've read the only substace able to dissolve in is DMSO
Is it right ?
Can you post the topical composition you'll inted to use ?
With DMSO, although the systemic absorbtion maybe significative for 12 days
i think it should be quite safe at medium-high dosage .
From patent we know range is 0.000001 % (???) to 10% ..but we don't have any idea for a relation dose-results.
In some statements we can read "contact the skin with an amount sufficient" ...
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cal
04.09.2008, 04:48
@ RiuraO
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sorry i don't understand ... |
I think it's clearly possible.
There is a photo of another Gentifib patient (a different person) who accidentally got hair growing on the end of their nose.
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RiuraO
Spain,
04.09.2008, 04:20
@ cricket
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sorry i don't understand ... |
Are you guessing that could be possible to grow hair in areas where never in the entire life had hair?.
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cal
03.09.2008, 22:35
@ Amilcar
|
Baccy this is for you. |
Cricket:
To make a minor correction, I actually used oral Leflunomide and not Gentifib. (Leflunomide is another "non-natural EGF-R inhibitor" mentioned along with Gentifib in the patents.)
I intend to use Gentifib for anything topically-applied in the future. There is more reason to think Gentifib will function correctly when absorbed through the skin.
Leflunomide has to metabolized by the body before it reaches active form, and it is not known whether or not this will happen when it gets applied topically. Leflunomide is only guaranteed to work when taken orally, so trying to use it as a topical formulation would create another unnessecary variable in the experiment that I don't want.
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Amilcar
03.09.2008, 22:23
@ pauly
|
Baccy this is for you. |
» » This is Hair pauly..this is Hair !!
» »
» » Researchers from the Taiwan National University extracted hair
» follicular
» » cells and cultured them in vitro (out of the body) in a kind of Alean
» vital
» » tissue : the "alean vital tissue" is called EVAL and is made out
» of
» » ethylene alcohol membranes.
» »
» » What you see is the newly GROWN Terminal pigmented black hair inside
» the
» » EVAL.
»
» do they have plans to do this in humans? do you have the link?
The hair in the picture is Human if I'm correct.As for commercial plan No, not any plan that I'm aware of.
http://www.clonemyhair.com/hairlossnews/hairlossnews/item90039.html
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pauly
03.09.2008, 21:46
@ Amilcar
|
Baccy this is for you. |
» This is Hair pauly..this is Hair !!
»
» Researchers from the Taiwan National University extracted hair follicular
» cells and cultured them in vitro (out of the body) in a kind of Alean vital
» tissue : the "alean vital tissue" is called EVAL and is made out of
» ethylene alcohol membranes.
»
» What you see is the newly GROWN Terminal pigmented black hair inside the
» EVAL.
do they have plans to do this in humans? do you have the link?
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Amilcar
03.09.2008, 21:41
@ Baccy
|
Baccy this is for you. |
» » Are you sure that you "phucked up" when you used the quercetin and
» » probably inhibited the WNT for a first round ??? It might be the reason
» why
» » you got those results whereas other members didt ...If I'm right they
» » mentioned in the Follica patent the scenario of WNT Inhibition and then
» WNT
» » Stimulation..this is what you did although accidentally !
»
» I see your point. It's all very much suck and see at the moment. I think
» the inhibition and then upregulation was in the instance of the pigmented
» mouse fur versus no pigment.
» I think we'll all get there eventually.
forget about the mouse , we are talking HUMANS here ...unless the ladies you are attracted too love the mouse fur
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cricket
03.09.2008, 21:39
@ Baccy
|
sorry i don't understand ... |
» »
» » Baccy, i hope you don't misunderstand but.. is there a possibility that
» » the points are ..i don't know for example.. "little scar" for the
» » procedure or other ?
» » sorry but i can't believe for follicles where before only desert 
»
» No scars. The wounds healed beautifully. Everything you see is new except
» for the vellus hair. It shows up well on the cam. Unfortunately there isn't
» really anything I can use yet.
» There are also 'vague follicles' appearing at the temples, lower than any
» hairline I ever had.
Thanks for reply.
If are truly new follicles this is a very good proof of concept ( i think mostly for dermoabrasion alone ..but who knows..)
We should try to understand difference with cal...
..for the status of new "hair" maybe immune system drop their thickness or also the dosage of egf inibition influence the diameter and density..
In the patent follica assert to use this method also for eyelash and other..
so there is something to regulate (i don't think they want hairs above eye..)
sorry for my poor english but i have no time .
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Baccy
03.09.2008, 21:38
@ Amilcar
|
Baccy this is for you. |
» Are you sure that you "phucked up" when you used the quercetin and
» probably inhibited the WNT for a first round ??? It might be the reason why
» you got those results whereas other members didt ...If I'm right they
» mentioned in the Follica patent the scenario of WNT Inhibition and then WNT
» Stimulation..this is what you did although accidentally !
I see your point. It's all very much suck and see at the moment. I think the inhibition and then upregulation was in the instance of the pigmented mouse fur versus no pigment.
I think we'll all get there eventually.
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Amilcar
03.09.2008, 21:37
(edited by Amilcar, 03.09.2008, 21:43)
@ pauly
|
Baccy this is for you. |
» dude what's this about? ingrown hair, tumour or something?
»
» ![[image]](http://www.monsterup.com/upload/1220481775.jpg)
This is Hair pauly..this is Hair !!
Researchers from the Taiwan National University extracted hair follicular cells and cultured them in vitro (out of the body) in a kind of Alean vital tissue : the "alean vital tissue" is called EVAL and is made out of ethylene alcohol membranes.
What you see is the newly GROWN Terminal pigmented black hair inside the EVAL.
This has been done quite recently.
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Baccy
03.09.2008, 21:32
@ cricket
|
sorry i don't understand ... |
»
» Baccy, i hope you don't misunderstand but.. is there a possibility that
» the points are ..i don't know for example.. "little scar" for the
» procedure or other ?
» sorry but i can't believe for follicles where before only desert
No scars. The wounds healed beautifully. Everything you see is new except for the vellus hair. It shows up well on the cam. Unfortunately there isn't really anything I can use yet.
There are also 'vague follicles' appearing at the temples, lower than any hairline I ever had.
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pauly
03.09.2008, 21:12
@ Amilcar
|
Baccy this is for you. |
dude what's this about? ingrown hair, tumour or something?
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benji
03.09.2008, 21:05
@ Amilcar
|
Baccy this is for you. |
Hi baccy,
Good luck with the tannic acid/abrasion. It would be wonderful if that worked. We can get tannic acid...............
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cricket
03.09.2008, 21:05
(edited by cricket, 03.09.2008, 21:23)
@ ipod
|
sorry i don't understand ... |
» » I'll try. It wasn't very scientific with the measures etc.
» »
» » I sanded my head quite heavily but wasn't really satified with the
» damage.
» » So I put 30% glycolic acid peel on top of the sanded skin and left on
» for 5
» » minutes. I left the skin to epithelize for 3 days and then applied
» » quercetin, lithium, caffeine and dmso in a alpha lipoic acid cream.
»
the photo very well (about results ) but i'm sure Baccy isn't a liar.
Now the point is :
Baccy - "natural" EGF inibitor with little results
Cal - oral gefitinib and no results (if i have well understand from cal..)
...this with fully-functional immune system.
Maybe with oral gefitinib the times of inibition was wrong ... or what ?
Note :
in past i wrote to begin egfr-inibition before wounding and ok it will be the next attempt for Baccy.
But i can't think that with a lot of people forced to use iressa (or like )
we have only 1 photo of hair growth.
So times is crucial for the process ..and statistically there is no proof to believe starting EGFR-inibition BEFORE wounding (
while the immune system should be dropped out before )
last :
Baccy, i hope you don't misunderstand but.. is there a possibility that
the points are ..i don't know for example.. "little scar" for the procedure or other ?
sorry but i can't believe for follicles where before only desert
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Amilcar
03.09.2008, 21:01
@ Baccy
|
Baccy this is for you. |
» » Hello Baccy,
» »
» » If you remember we had a very early discussion about your
» » experimentation...Happy to see its getting somewhere. Anyway, is your
» hair
» » naturally blond/brown ?
» »
» » Did you go through some WNT stimulation in your experimentation ?
»
» My hair, as a child was light brown/blondish. It got darker as I got older
» but then came puberty and the onset of the dreaded MPB. But I retained some
» lighter elements in my hair right into my early twenties. I got that dead
» rat glued onto my head when I was 26 and because the 'technicians' used to
» shave my head, I really don't know at what point that it ALL disappeared.
» I'd say that my hair at the sides is medium brown albeit with a liberal
» sprinkle of grey hairs above my ears.
»
» As for wnt signaling, I used lithium orotate but I phucked up initially by
» using quercetin as the EGF inhibitor. This inhibited EGF AND wnt. A couple
» of days later, I changed to milk thistle as the EGF inhibitor and carried
» on using the lithium to upregulate wnt.
Are you sure that you "phucked up" when you used the quercetin and probably inhibited the WNT for a first round ??? It might be the reason why you got those results whereas other members didt ...If I'm right they mentioned in the Follica patent the scenario of WNT Inhibition and then WNT Stimulation..this is what you did although accidentally !
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Baccy
03.09.2008, 19:31
@ pauly
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DIY Follica Pics - Good luck Baccy - Keep it up! |
» » » guys, let s not get too excited just yet, follicles dont grow in 1
» day,
» » » that is not possible.
» » »
» » No. Follicles didn't grow in one day. That result you see is after about
» 7
» » or 8 weeks. But follicles DID start growing within 2 weeks.
»
» oh sorry, how big was the area that you treated? the entire scalp?
Entire top of scalp. I'm NW7 and despite the success I've had, I still consider myself as NW7 as there isn't really anything useable yet.
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Baccy
03.09.2008, 19:20
@ Amilcar
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Baccy this is for you. |
» Hello Baccy,
»
» If you remember we had a very early discussion about your
» experimentation...Happy to see its getting somewhere. Anyway, is your hair
» naturally blond/brown ?
»
» Did you go through some WNT stimulation in your experimentation ?
My hair, as a child was light brown/blondish. It got darker as I got older but then came puberty and the onset of the dreaded MPB. But I retained some lighter elements in my hair right into my early twenties. I got that dead rat glued onto my head when I was 26 and because the 'technicians' used to shave my head, I really don't know at what point that it ALL disappeared. I'd say that my hair at the sides is medium brown albeit with a liberal sprinkle of grey hairs above my ears.
As for wnt signaling, I used lithium orotate but I phucked up initially by using quercetin as the EGF inhibitor. This inhibited EGF AND wnt. A couple of days later, I changed to milk thistle as the EGF inhibitor and carried on using the lithium to upregulate wnt.
»
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Baccy
03.09.2008, 19:11
@ RiuraO
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» Baccy, congratulations for the result of your experiment.
» I never before thought that a Home made Follica Experiment would result as
» good as this experiment has result.
» I just hope that all this experiment will be true.
»
» One question. Could you draw in the picture the treated area?
» And last question, When you said nothing, you mean nothing? Zero?
The treated area was the whole top of the scalp. I'm NW7 and STILL consider myself as such. That's why I think the size of wound is important. I did one LARGE wound all over the top of the scalp.
And yes, I had zero hair. I wore a piece for 12 years and that didn't help. I guess I suffocated the hair and poisoned the hair at the sides with glue. Plus of course, over the years, the natural progression of MPB. All I had on top was vellus. That's why I'm reluctant to say that the follicles are new. They may be rejuvenated existing follicles. But I have to say, at least SOME of the follicles are DEFINITELY new. If you look at the pic, you can see vague follicles at my temples. I had a pretty high hairline even as a kid and I'm sure that I've NEVER had hair there. There isn't really hair there now but there are those curious 'vague' follicles.
However, I've no interest in having a ridiculously low hairline. If I can achieve NW2, I'll be happy.
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Amilcar
03.09.2008, 18:33
(edited by Amilcar, 03.09.2008, 18:54)
@ Baccy
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Baccy this is for you. |
Hello Baccy,
If you remember we had a very early discussion about your experimentation...Happy to see its getting somewhere. Anyway, is your hair naturally blond/brown ?
Did you go through some WNT stimulation in your experimentation ?
The depilation of hair might be an enhancer of the WNT activity..I remember that we had a discussion about that..we were not that sure but somewhere in the patent it seems like inferring that...(man, if its gowing to bring an 11 fold increase then you can say goodbye to MPB and so should we)...Anyway in this thread http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-33125.html
we talked about depilation and the fact that it might be activating the WNT signaling ==> hair cycling + enlarge the hair shaft.
As for the fact that the "new" hair does not create the cosmetic effect we want ..This is probably due to the old feared DHT/androgen/MPB complications...Benji stated that the "new" hair is from the old cell lines. However, and according to the Nature paper of Cotsarelis..The hair is NOT from the old cell lines...Stills the DHT/androgen/MPB needs to be conisedered..You might (Baccy) or any other of the members want to try the same experience on a NONE MPB area so that we can watch the behaviour of the "new" hair induced there..should it grow really long and large. One more thing, "nidhogge" in THAT board stated that he can make any vellus hair he get out of follica to the Terminal stage thanks to his LAZER HELMET...So this is a road you might want to consider Baccy through out your hair journey.
Best regards.
PS : Debris if you are reading me please answer my mail ..I need those Maca Roots .
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RiuraO
Spain,
03.09.2008, 18:01
@ Baccy
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DIY Follica Pics |
Baccy, congratulations for the result of your experiment.
I never before thought that a Home made Follica Experiment would result as good as this experiment has result.
I just hope that all this experiment will be true.
One question. Could you draw in the picture the treated area?
And last question, When you said nothing, you mean nothing? Zero?
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Baccy
03.09.2008, 17:48
@ goata007
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DIY Follica Pics |
» Baccy, Did you take any pic of the back of your head (vertex)?
No. It didn't occur to me. The taking of the pic itself was an impulse when I went round to see my buddy.
Something I HAVE noticed about the back though. I have a loop of hair growing at the back of the head above the monk hairline. It's like a bald patch where the wig used to be glued at the back. I'm hoping that this and those stubborn top sides will respond eventually.
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Baccy
03.09.2008, 17:44
(edited by Baccy, 03.09.2008, 17:52)
@ Mr.Fantastic
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DIY Follica Pics |
»
» Hey, you know, those follicles are dark pigmented while the hair on your
» sides are white.
I actually think that is vellus hair showing up. But I do have the odd grey hair at the bottom sides that shows up in daylight. I'm taking paraminobenzoic acid supplements to try to eliminate grey. If not, I can always use a natural colour restorer or something like that. I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.
Bear in mind that the vellus hair you're refering to is actually on the side at the top. My head is angled to one side. You can't actually see my hair on the left side of the head.
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Baccy
03.09.2008, 17:40
@ biston
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» baccy, to be serious: if you was REALLY completely bald before, this means
» follica will work for sure, because your result is a GOOD result for your
» potential, if not, fu.ck for let us dream unnecessarily
I have no interest in childish games or bickering. What you see is genuine. But you can't really see it properly unless you are up close. And like I've described in the past, the majority of hair is on top like a mohawk. Probably due to that spunking wig I had glued round the sides on my bonce for 12 years.
Even though you can see the follicles, it doesn't constitute a shadow yet. I still have the horseshoe effect.
I'm hoping the next round will have more success.
I was uncertain whether you guys would put any value on my results to be honest. I get the impression that most of you have quite a bit of hair but want a really low hairline with the density of Elvis. In light of most of your requirements, I thought my results would be dismissed.
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goata007
03.09.2008, 17:39
@ Mr.Fantastic
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DIY Follica Pics |
Baccy, Did you take any pic of the back of your head (vertex)?
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Mr.Fantastic
03.09.2008, 17:24
@ Baccy
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DIY Follica Pics |
» » Good luck for your next experiment. And many thanks to keep us updated!
» »
» » You mentionned day 3 was the most painful and redness on the head. How
» » long was your "DIY-Follica" experience clearly noticeable (i.e. how
» much
» » days off would anyone require to take to try it)?
»
» It was very noticeable for about 10 days or so. I'm lucky in that it's
» possible for me to wear a hat in work. You're looking at 2 weeks downtime
» if you dermabrade with the severity that I did. However, after recent
» statements from Follica, I'm wondering if only gentle dermabrading is
» necessary.
Hey, you know, those follicles are dark pigmented while the hair on your sides are white.
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biston
03.09.2008, 16:55
@ Baccy
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DIY Follica Pics |
baccy, to be serious: if you was REALLY completely bald before, this means follica will work for sure, because your result is a GOOD result for your potential, if not, fu.ck for let us dream unnecessarily
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pauly
03.09.2008, 16:03
@ Baccy
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DIY Follica Pics - Good luck Baccy - Keep it up! |
» » guys, let s not get too excited just yet, follicles dont grow in 1 day,
» » that is not possible.
» »
» No. Follicles didn't grow in one day. That result you see is after about 7
» or 8 weeks. But follicles DID start growing within 2 weeks.
oh sorry, how big was the area that you treated? the entire scalp?
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