Baccy
03.09.2008, 10:39 |
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As promised, I got the chance to see my buddy with the cam. The picture posted is taken with one day of growth (I shaved bald yeserday) and in broad daylight with a flash. The camera used is a 2 year old Canon Powershot Pro.
You can clearly see the new/rejuvenated follicles but like I say, I can't really use the resulting hair in any cosmetic fashion yet. The entire top of the scalp and fron was bald prior to the experiment. No sign of life. What I've got ain't much but it's proof of concept. I will try to post a pic with a week's growth before I wax for my next experiment. Apparently waxing could give me an 11 fold increase in follicles over non-depilation. The pic shows results with non-depilation.
Take it or leave it, I couldn't give a toss. I've been fighting for 27 years and I deserve to finally get my hair back. I hope that I do.
P.S. Sorry about the white skin. I normally slap some tan on but I didn't want to compromise the pic.
Also, for some reason it wouldn't accept the jpg file from the cam so I had to convert it to jpg with some demo software, hence the 'image Converter watermark'.
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therapy
03.09.2008, 10:57
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Great pic and I take your word that you are seeing regrowth, but we really need to see a clear before pic to compare.
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baldlatino34
03.09.2008, 12:03
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PRETTY IMAGE...AS I THOUGHT, BACCY, BENJI, CAL...AMONG OTHERS, GOOD WORK I BELIEVE THAT WE WILL HAVE EXCELLENT RESULTS THROUGH YOUR STUDIES, WELL BEFORE FOLLICA.
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debris
03.09.2008, 12:04
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Cool picture Baccy. I hope the depilation will help.
the new follicles do they grow single or even multiple hair each?
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Baccy
03.09.2008, 12:09
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» Great pic and I take your word that you are seeing regrowth, but we really
» need to see a clear before pic to compare.
If you really DO take my word, the word is, I was totally bald. Nothing there. Now I have something but nothing useable yet. It's proof of concept.
I don't have any before pics as I've previously explained. My whole experiment was somewhat disorganised but maybe this pic will serve as a 'before' pic for my upcoming experiment in mid to late SEptember.
It's enough to convince me that a full head of hair is possible with this procedure. If I can get results with my tinpot procedure, who knows what Cotsarelis will achieve?
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Baccy
03.09.2008, 12:14
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» Cool picture Baccy. I hope the depilation will help.
»
» the new follicles do they grow single or even multiple hair each?
I'm unsure what you mean. Each follicle grows one hair. But the frustrating thing is that you can only see these follicles close up. They don't constitute a hair shadow yet. But some of the hairs look pretty damned healthy when I've let them grow for a week.
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debris
03.09.2008, 12:14
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another observation .... you grew more on top then on the sides.
looks like the topicals got better through the skin on top of your head?
or maybe on the sides they run down?
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debris
03.09.2008, 12:16
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» » Cool picture Baccy. I hope the depilation will help.
» »
» » the new follicles do they grow single or even multiple hair each?
» I'm unsure what you mean. Each follicle grows one hair. But the
» frustrating thing is that you can only see these follicles close up. They
» don't constitute a hair shadow yet. But some of the hairs look pretty
» damned healthy when I've let them grow for a week.
normally follicles make groups. so each follicular unit is 1-4 hairs each or even more.
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Baccy
03.09.2008, 12:16
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» another observation .... you grew more on top then on the sides.
»
» looks like the topicals got better through the skin on top of your head?
»
» or maybe on the sides they run down?
I put that down to the rug I wore for 12 years. It was glued at the sides.
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debris
03.09.2008, 12:17
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» » Cool picture Baccy. I hope the depilation will help.
» »
» » the new follicles do they grow single or even multiple hair each?
» I'm unsure what you mean. Each follicle grows one hair. But the
» frustrating thing is that you can only see these follicles close up. They
» don't constitute a hair shadow yet. But some of the hairs look pretty
» damned healthy when I've let them grow for a week.
BTW if you want proper depilation, try waxing it. chemical depilations may work differently, waxing would make sure the hair is gone from the follicle completely.
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Baccy
03.09.2008, 12:18
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» » » Cool picture Baccy. I hope the depilation will help.
» » »
» » » the new follicles do they grow single or even multiple hair each?
» » I'm unsure what you mean. Each follicle grows one hair. But the
» » frustrating thing is that you can only see these follicles close up.
» They
» » don't constitute a hair shadow yet. But some of the hairs look pretty
» » damned healthy when I've let them grow for a week.
»
» normally follicles make groups. so each follicular unit is 1-4 hairs each
» or even more.
I'll have to check that. If that's the case, the one's that only have one hair may be coaxed into producing more.
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Baccy
03.09.2008, 12:19
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»
» BTW if you want proper depilation, try waxing it. chemical depilations may
» work differently, waxing would make sure the hair is gone from the follicle
» completely.
I've got some Veet wax strips. I'll grow the hair to about 3mm before waxing.
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ipod
03.09.2008, 13:08
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Can you post exactly what you did?
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moomin
03.09.2008, 13:22
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Hi Baccy, i've been reading these forums for a while now and have made a few posts on the "Follica! - good news forum".
I remember a while ago you mentioned problems relating to finding a source for lithium chloride in the UK. I've bought some myself recently and am happy with the product, the wesite is as follows, great success by the way and good luck with your further experiments.
http://www.rose-chemicals.co.uk/
(0)20 7241 5100
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Willy
03.09.2008, 13:28
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» As promised, I got the chance to see my buddy with the cam. The picture
» posted is taken with one day of growth (I shaved bald yeserday) and in
» broad daylight with a flash. The camera used is a 2 year old Canon
» Powershot Pro.
» You can clearly see the new/rejuvenated follicles but like I say, I can't
» really use the resulting hair in any cosmetic fashion yet. The entire top
» of the scalp and fron was bald prior to the experiment. No sign of life.
» What I've got ain't much but it's proof of concept. I will try to post a
» pic with a week's growth before I wax for my next experiment. Apparently
» waxing could give me an 11 fold increase in follicles over non-depilation.
» The pic shows results with non-depilation.
» Take it or leave it, I couldn't give a toss. I've been fighting for 27
» years and I deserve to finally get my hair back. I hope that I do.
»
» P.S. Sorry about the white skin. I normally slap some tan on but I didn't
» want to compromise the pic.
» Also, for some reason it wouldn't accept the jpg file from the cam so I
» had to convert it to jpg with some demo software, hence the 'image
» Converter watermark'.
»
Very impressive pictures Baccy. I would like to see them grown out a little more. It looks like you've achieved quite a bit of regrowth. Looks VERY promising! Best of luck on continued attempts. Please keep us posted.
Take Care,
Bill
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Baccy
03.09.2008, 13:28
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» Hi Baccy, i've been reading these forums for a while now and have made a
» few posts on the "Follica! - good news forum".
»
» I remember a while ago you mentioned problems relating to finding a source
» for lithium chloride in the UK. I've bought some myself recently and am
» happy with the product, the wesite is as follows, great success by the way
» and good luck with your further experiments.
»
» http://www.rose-chemicals.co.uk/
» (0)20 7241 5100
Cheers for that m8. But I think lithium orotate is doing the job fine. Are you experimenting yourself?
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Baccy
03.09.2008, 13:46
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» Can you post exactly what you did?
I'll try. It wasn't very scientific with the measures etc.
I sanded my head quite heavily but wasn't really satified with the damage. So I put 30% glycolic acid peel on top of the sanded skin and left on for 5 minutes. I left the skin to epithelize for 3 days and then applied quercetin, lithium, caffeine and dmso in a alpha lipoic acid cream. I applied that all over the scalp twice daily. After a couple of days of this I found information on the internet that stated that quercetin inhibited wnt signaling AS WELL AS EGF. Well as you know, we need wnt UPREGULATING so I class the first couple of days as an error. I then transferred to milk-thistle extract as the EGF inhibitor and ditched the quercetin. I made a fresh topical mixed into emu oil.
After applying the topical for about 11 days (Day 14 post wounding) I stopped the EGF inhibition topical and transferred to minox with caffeine and lithium dissolved in dmso mixed into the bottle of minox. I also began to use copper peptides. Most recently, I'm using benadryl cream once or twice a day too.
Not very scientific I'm afraid and I can't even remember how many capsules of each substance I used as it was all guesses. I don't think the amount is THAT important.
Search back to July posts and you'll find a lot of info on what I did as I was doing it.
The next experiment, I will depilate first and then wait 3 days. Whilst waiting, I will begin EGF inhibition with tannic acid so EGF is inhibited DURING epithelization. I still plan on using lithium orotate and caffeine with dmso and emu oil. Tannic acid amount has to be kept low (around 1%) as pure tannic acid is toxic to the liver. Therefore, the amount of dmso must be kept low too so as not to get too much absorption. The next experiment will probably be about 17th or 18th Sept as I'm waiting for the tannic acid. The company messed up my order once and so it's been delayed.
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Striver
03.09.2008, 13:55
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» Hi Baccy, i've been reading these forums for a while now and have made a
» few posts on the "Follica! - good news forum".
»
» I remember a while ago you mentioned problems relating to finding a source
» for lithium chloride in the UK. I've bought some myself recently and am
» happy with the product, the wesite is as follows, great success by the way
» and good luck with your further experiments.
»
» http://www.rose-chemicals.co.uk/
» (0)20 7241 5100
Have you got some good results from that product moomin?
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ipod
03.09.2008, 14:00
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» I'll try. It wasn't very scientific with the measures etc.
»
» I sanded my head quite heavily but wasn't really satified with the damage.
» So I put 30% glycolic acid peel on top of the sanded skin and left on for 5
» minutes. I left the skin to epithelize for 3 days and then applied
» quercetin, lithium, caffeine and dmso in a alpha lipoic acid cream.
THANKS MAN! I wish you had picture of what the sanded scalp look like so that I have an idea how deep you go with the dermabrasion. Did it hurt for a few days ?
Keep us posted please.
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BALDIE42
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03.09.2008, 14:37
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Good luck Baccy - Keep it up!
Looking promising
All the best
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Baccy
03.09.2008, 14:41
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» THANKS MAN! I wish you had picture of what the sanded scalp look like so
» that I have an idea how deep you go with the dermabrasion. Did it hurt for
» a few days ?
»
» Keep us posted please.
It was very red but I don't mind pain if it's for a purpose. It was actually peeling and scabbing and looked really messy on the third day when I began applying topicals. I don't think it was necessary to be as rough as I was and probably won't do any sanding this time around. I plan on using Scalp Renew to gently abrade away the top layer. But knowing me, if it doesn't look damaged enough, I'll probably get the sandpaper out again. 
I wouldn't recommend going as deep as I did. I'm just an all or nothing sort of guy.
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Baccy
03.09.2008, 14:42
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» Good luck Baccy - Keep it up!
»
» Looking promising
»
» All the best
Cheers m8! Welcome back.
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Striver
03.09.2008, 14:49
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» Good luck Baccy - Keep it up!
»
» Looking promising
»
» All the best
OK guys, we all see that this looks like it could be something big. If Baccy, who was totally bald, could get hundreds of hair follicles like that, there is I guess a very high probability that Follica will do MUCH better. This could be it guys. We really can't make any statements about Follica yet, since they are not leaking any kind of information. The only thing left is to wait and hope for excellent results soon.
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pauly
03.09.2008, 15:01
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guys, let s not get too excited just yet, follicles dont grow in 1 day, that is not possible.
Baccy, how big an area did you treat? it helps if you have before pics, also this reminds me of the good old waseda zinc oxide experiment or even the acid peel, what they did was exposing follicles that were already there, which is what i suspect is happening here, they aint growing new follicles.
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Baccy
03.09.2008, 15:10
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» guys, let s not get too excited just yet, follicles dont grow in 1 day,
» that is not possible.
»
No. Follicles didn't grow in one day. That result you see is after about 7 or 8 weeks. But follicles DID start growing within 2 weeks.
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chancer
03.09.2008, 15:15
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» guys, let s not get too excited just yet, follicles dont grow in 1 day,
» that is not possible.
»
» Baccy, how big an area did you treat? it helps if you have before pics,
» also this reminds me of the good old waseda zinc oxide experiment or even
» the acid peel, what they did was exposing follicles that were already
» there, which is what i suspect is happening here, they aint growing new
» follicles.
Well done Baccy !!!
ive been reading closley on this forum, i mainly post on another forum that is of the stature has this one, where we are also experimenting with follica DIY...
its a shame you didnt have a before pic to re-affirm the non believers that will no doubt question it.... keep it up, between us we'll nail this thing!!!
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LatinLover
03.09.2008, 15:17
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Good luck for your next experiment. And many thanks to keep us updated!
You mentionned day 3 was the most painful and redness on the head. How long was your "DIY-Follica" experience clearly noticeable (i.e. how much days off would anyone require to take to try it)?
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Baccy
03.09.2008, 15:21
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» Good luck for your next experiment. And many thanks to keep us updated!
»
» You mentionned day 3 was the most painful and redness on the head. How
» long was your "DIY-Follica" experience clearly noticeable (i.e. how much
» days off would anyone require to take to try it)?
It was very noticeable for about 10 days or so. I'm lucky in that it's possible for me to wear a hat in work. You're looking at 2 weeks downtime if you dermabrade with the severity that I did. However, after recent statements from Follica, I'm wondering if only gentle dermabrading is necessary.
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Mr.Fantastic
03.09.2008, 15:24
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» » Good luck for your next experiment. And many thanks to keep us updated!
» »
» » You mentionned day 3 was the most painful and redness on the head. How
» » long was your "DIY-Follica" experience clearly noticeable (i.e. how
» much
» » days off would anyone require to take to try it)?
»
» It was very noticeable for about 10 days or so. I'm lucky in that it's
» possible for me to wear a hat in work. You're looking at 2 weeks downtime
» if you dermabrade with the severity that I did. However, after recent
» statements from Follica, I'm wondering if only gentle dermabrading is
» necessary.
Can you refresh us with follicas's comments? BTW, what you just showed was more than I expected from what you described in the past.
-- Mr. F
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cal
03.09.2008, 16:00
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Man, you're not kidding Baccy. That really is transplant-level regrowth density if all those hairs come up looking good.
More evidence of the validity of wounding/regrowth in general.
If this stuff doesn't cause cancer and it doesn't need continual drugging to preserve the hairs, then we're really saved.
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goata007
03.09.2008, 16:02
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» BTW, what you just showed
» was more than I expected from what you described in the past.
Agreed, for a slick bald guy to regrow this much hair is quite impressive. Baccy, few more rounds of this and you should have decent hair!
I am a bit stumped by the lack of growth on temple area though. It seems all of it was concentrated on top. Still this pic provides a good starting point and will make it easy to assess results of your second attmpt.
Good Luck!
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pauly
03.09.2008, 16:03
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» » guys, let s not get too excited just yet, follicles dont grow in 1 day,
» » that is not possible.
» »
» No. Follicles didn't grow in one day. That result you see is after about 7
» or 8 weeks. But follicles DID start growing within 2 weeks.
oh sorry, how big was the area that you treated? the entire scalp?
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biston
03.09.2008, 16:55
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baccy, to be serious: if you was REALLY completely bald before, this means follica will work for sure, because your result is a GOOD result for your potential, if not, fu.ck for let us dream unnecessarily 
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Mr.Fantastic
03.09.2008, 17:24
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» » Good luck for your next experiment. And many thanks to keep us updated!
» »
» » You mentionned day 3 was the most painful and redness on the head. How
» » long was your "DIY-Follica" experience clearly noticeable (i.e. how
» much
» » days off would anyone require to take to try it)?
»
» It was very noticeable for about 10 days or so. I'm lucky in that it's
» possible for me to wear a hat in work. You're looking at 2 weeks downtime
» if you dermabrade with the severity that I did. However, after recent
» statements from Follica, I'm wondering if only gentle dermabrading is
» necessary.
Hey, you know, those follicles are dark pigmented while the hair on your sides are white.
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goata007
03.09.2008, 17:39
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Baccy, Did you take any pic of the back of your head (vertex)?
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Baccy
03.09.2008, 17:40
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» baccy, to be serious: if you was REALLY completely bald before, this means
» follica will work for sure, because your result is a GOOD result for your
» potential, if not, fu.ck for let us dream unnecessarily
I have no interest in childish games or bickering. What you see is genuine. But you can't really see it properly unless you are up close. And like I've described in the past, the majority of hair is on top like a mohawk. Probably due to that spunking wig I had glued round the sides on my bonce for 12 years.
Even though you can see the follicles, it doesn't constitute a shadow yet. I still have the horseshoe effect.
I'm hoping the next round will have more success.
I was uncertain whether you guys would put any value on my results to be honest. I get the impression that most of you have quite a bit of hair but want a really low hairline with the density of Elvis. In light of most of your requirements, I thought my results would be dismissed.
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» Hey, you know, those follicles are dark pigmented while the hair on your
» sides are white.
I actually think that is vellus hair showing up. But I do have the odd grey hair at the bottom sides that shows up in daylight. I'm taking paraminobenzoic acid supplements to try to eliminate grey. If not, I can always use a natural colour restorer or something like that. I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.
Bear in mind that the vellus hair you're refering to is actually on the side at the top. My head is angled to one side. You can't actually see my hair on the left side of the head.
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03.09.2008, 17:48
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» Baccy, Did you take any pic of the back of your head (vertex)?
No. It didn't occur to me. The taking of the pic itself was an impulse when I went round to see my buddy.
Something I HAVE noticed about the back though. I have a loop of hair growing at the back of the head above the monk hairline. It's like a bald patch where the wig used to be glued at the back. I'm hoping that this and those stubborn top sides will respond eventually.
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RiuraO
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03.09.2008, 18:01
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Baccy, congratulations for the result of your experiment.
I never before thought that a Home made Follica Experiment would result as good as this experiment has result.
I just hope that all this experiment will be true.
One question. Could you draw in the picture the treated area?
And last question, When you said nothing, you mean nothing? Zero?
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Amilcar
03.09.2008, 18:33
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Hello Baccy,
If you remember we had a very early discussion about your experimentation...Happy to see its getting somewhere. Anyway, is your hair naturally blond/brown ?
Did you go through some WNT stimulation in your experimentation ?
The depilation of hair might be an enhancer of the WNT activity..I remember that we had a discussion about that..we were not that sure but somewhere in the patent it seems like inferring that...(man, if its gowing to bring an 11 fold increase then you can say goodbye to MPB and so should we)...Anyway in this thread http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-33125.html
we talked about depilation and the fact that it might be activating the WNT signaling ==> hair cycling + enlarge the hair shaft.
As for the fact that the "new" hair does not create the cosmetic effect we want ..This is probably due to the old feared DHT/androgen/MPB complications...Benji stated that the "new" hair is from the old cell lines. However, and according to the Nature paper of Cotsarelis..The hair is NOT from the old cell lines...Stills the DHT/androgen/MPB needs to be conisedered..You might (Baccy) or any other of the members want to try the same experience on a NONE MPB area so that we can watch the behaviour of the "new" hair induced there..should it grow really long and large. One more thing, "nidhogge" in THAT board stated that he can make any vellus hair he get out of follica to the Terminal stage thanks to his LAZER HELMET...So this is a road you might want to consider Baccy through out your hair journey.
Best regards.
PS : Debris if you are reading me please answer my mail ..I need those Maca Roots .
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Baccy
03.09.2008, 19:11
@ RiuraO
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DIY Follica Pics |
» Baccy, congratulations for the result of your experiment.
» I never before thought that a Home made Follica Experiment would result as
» good as this experiment has result.
» I just hope that all this experiment will be true.
»
» One question. Could you draw in the picture the treated area?
» And last question, When you said nothing, you mean nothing? Zero?
The treated area was the whole top of the scalp. I'm NW7 and STILL consider myself as such. That's why I think the size of wound is important. I did one LARGE wound all over the top of the scalp.
And yes, I had zero hair. I wore a piece for 12 years and that didn't help. I guess I suffocated the hair and poisoned the hair at the sides with glue. Plus of course, over the years, the natural progression of MPB. All I had on top was vellus. That's why I'm reluctant to say that the follicles are new. They may be rejuvenated existing follicles. But I have to say, at least SOME of the follicles are DEFINITELY new. If you look at the pic, you can see vague follicles at my temples. I had a pretty high hairline even as a kid and I'm sure that I've NEVER had hair there. There isn't really hair there now but there are those curious 'vague' follicles.
However, I've no interest in having a ridiculously low hairline. If I can achieve NW2, I'll be happy.
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Baccy
03.09.2008, 19:20
@ Amilcar
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Baccy this is for you. |
» Hello Baccy,
»
» If you remember we had a very early discussion about your
» experimentation...Happy to see its getting somewhere. Anyway, is your hair
» naturally blond/brown ?
»
» Did you go through some WNT stimulation in your experimentation ?
My hair, as a child was light brown/blondish. It got darker as I got older but then came puberty and the onset of the dreaded MPB. But I retained some lighter elements in my hair right into my early twenties. I got that dead rat glued onto my head when I was 26 and because the 'technicians' used to shave my head, I really don't know at what point that it ALL disappeared. I'd say that my hair at the sides is medium brown albeit with a liberal sprinkle of grey hairs above my ears.
As for wnt signaling, I used lithium orotate but I phucked up initially by using quercetin as the EGF inhibitor. This inhibited EGF AND wnt. A couple of days later, I changed to milk thistle as the EGF inhibitor and carried on using the lithium to upregulate wnt.
»
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Baccy
03.09.2008, 19:31
@ pauly
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DIY Follica Pics - Good luck Baccy - Keep it up! |
» » » guys, let s not get too excited just yet, follicles dont grow in 1
» day,
» » » that is not possible.
» » »
» » No. Follicles didn't grow in one day. That result you see is after about
» 7
» » or 8 weeks. But follicles DID start growing within 2 weeks.
»
» oh sorry, how big was the area that you treated? the entire scalp?
Entire top of scalp. I'm NW7 and despite the success I've had, I still consider myself as NW7 as there isn't really anything useable yet.
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Amilcar
03.09.2008, 21:01
@ Baccy
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Baccy this is for you. |
» » Hello Baccy,
» »
» » If you remember we had a very early discussion about your
» » experimentation...Happy to see its getting somewhere. Anyway, is your
» hair
» » naturally blond/brown ?
» »
» » Did you go through some WNT stimulation in your experimentation ?
»
» My hair, as a child was light brown/blondish. It got darker as I got older
» but then came puberty and the onset of the dreaded MPB. But I retained some
» lighter elements in my hair right into my early twenties. I got that dead
» rat glued onto my head when I was 26 and because the 'technicians' used to
» shave my head, I really don't know at what point that it ALL disappeared.
» I'd say that my hair at the sides is medium brown albeit with a liberal
» sprinkle of grey hairs above my ears.
»
» As for wnt signaling, I used lithium orotate but I phucked up initially by
» using quercetin as the EGF inhibitor. This inhibited EGF AND wnt. A couple
» of days later, I changed to milk thistle as the EGF inhibitor and carried
» on using the lithium to upregulate wnt.
Are you sure that you "phucked up" when you used the quercetin and probably inhibited the WNT for a first round ??? It might be the reason why you got those results whereas other members didt ...If I'm right they mentioned in the Follica patent the scenario of WNT Inhibition and then WNT Stimulation..this is what you did although accidentally !
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cricket
03.09.2008, 21:05
(edited by cricket, 03.09.2008, 21:23)
@ ipod
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sorry i don't understand ... |
» » I'll try. It wasn't very scientific with the measures etc.
» »
» » I sanded my head quite heavily but wasn't really satified with the
» damage.
» » So I put 30% glycolic acid peel on top of the sanded skin and left on
» for 5
» » minutes. I left the skin to epithelize for 3 days and then applied
» » quercetin, lithium, caffeine and dmso in a alpha lipoic acid cream.
»
the photo very well (about results ) but i'm sure Baccy isn't a liar.
Now the point is :
Baccy - "natural" EGF inibitor with little results
Cal - oral gefitinib and no results (if i have well understand from cal..)
...this with fully-functional immune system.
Maybe with oral gefitinib the times of inibition was wrong ... or what ?
Note :
in past i wrote to begin egfr-inibition before wounding and ok it will be the next attempt for Baccy.
But i can't think that with a lot of people forced to use iressa (or like )
we have only 1 photo of hair growth.
So times is crucial for the process ..and statistically there is no proof to believe starting EGFR-inibition BEFORE wounding (
while the immune system should be dropped out before )
last :
Baccy, i hope you don't misunderstand but.. is there a possibility that
the points are ..i don't know for example.. "little scar" for the procedure or other ?
sorry but i can't believe for follicles where before only desert
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benji
03.09.2008, 21:05
@ Amilcar
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Baccy this is for you. |
Hi baccy,
Good luck with the tannic acid/abrasion. It would be wonderful if that worked. We can get tannic acid...............
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pauly
03.09.2008, 21:12
@ Amilcar
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Baccy this is for you. |
dude what's this about? ingrown hair, tumour or something?
![[image]](http://www.monsterup.com/upload/1220481775.jpg)
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Baccy
03.09.2008, 21:32
@ cricket
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sorry i don't understand ... |
»
» Baccy, i hope you don't misunderstand but.. is there a possibility that
» the points are ..i don't know for example.. "little scar" for the
» procedure or other ?
» sorry but i can't believe for follicles where before only desert
No scars. The wounds healed beautifully. Everything you see is new except for the vellus hair. It shows up well on the cam. Unfortunately there isn't really anything I can use yet.
There are also 'vague follicles' appearing at the temples, lower than any hairline I ever had.
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Amilcar
03.09.2008, 21:37
(edited by Amilcar, 03.09.2008, 21:43)
@ pauly
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Baccy this is for you. |
» dude what's this about? ingrown hair, tumour or something?
»
»
This is Hair pauly..this is Hair !!
Researchers from the Taiwan National University extracted hair follicular cells and cultured them in vitro (out of the body) in a kind of Alean vital tissue : the "alean vital tissue" is called EVAL and is made out of ethylene alcohol membranes.
What you see is the newly GROWN Terminal pigmented black hair inside the EVAL.
This has been done quite recently.
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Baccy
03.09.2008, 21:38
@ Amilcar
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Baccy this is for you. |
» Are you sure that you "phucked up" when you used the quercetin and
» probably inhibited the WNT for a first round ??? It might be the reason why
» you got those results whereas other members didt ...If I'm right they
» mentioned in the Follica patent the scenario of WNT Inhibition and then WNT
» Stimulation..this is what you did although accidentally !
I see your point. It's all very much suck and see at the moment. I think the inhibition and then upregulation was in the instance of the pigmented mouse fur versus no pigment.
I think we'll all get there eventually.
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cricket
03.09.2008, 21:39
@ Baccy
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sorry i don't understand ... |
» »
» » Baccy, i hope you don't misunderstand but.. is there a possibility that
» » the points are ..i don't know for example.. "little scar" for the
» » procedure or other ?
» » sorry but i can't believe for follicles where before only desert
»
» No scars. The wounds healed beautifully. Everything you see is new except
» for the vellus hair. It shows up well on the cam. Unfortunately there isn't
» really anything I can use yet.
» There are also 'vague follicles' appearing at the temples, lower than any
» hairline I ever had.
Thanks for reply.
If are truly new follicles this is a very good proof of concept ( i think mostly for dermoabrasion alone ..but who knows..)
We should try to understand difference with cal...
..for the status of new "hair" maybe immune system drop their thickness or also the dosage of egf inibition influence the diameter and density..
In the patent follica assert to use this method also for eyelash and other..
so there is something to regulate (i don't think they want hairs above eye..)
sorry for my poor english but i have no time .
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