mell
05.10.2008, 11:24 |
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Reply from Batra Clinic
Dear XXXX,
Good afternoon and thank you for writing to us. Your Cyber Clinic reference number is xxxxxxx. The subject to your email should be your reference number and kindly mention your reference code number ccp at the reception if you visit our clinic.
Hair cloning is going to start in Jermany in 2010 and in India in Dr Batras it wil start by 2012. Right now we treat different kinds of hair loss by homoeopathic medicines.
Kindly fill in the attached questionnaire If you wish to know about our treatment.
You can also avail treatment from our cyber clinic where interaction is through emails and the medicines are sent through courier. You would not need to visit the clinic unless you felt the need to do so.
In case of any additional queries and help please feel free to get back to me at cyberclinic@drbatras.com
Awaiting your reply.
With regards,
Dr. Manisha Jadhav.
Gold medalist
Homeopathic Consultant, Cyberclinic.
Reg 21879.
Tele: 28039300/400
www.drbatras.com
Regd. office:
Dr Batras' Positive Health Clinic Pvt Limited,
2 nd Floor, H Kantilal Compound,
Andheri - kurla Road,
Sakinaka, Andheri [East],
Mumbai -400 072, INDIA
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SPQR
05.10.2008, 11:28
@ mell
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» Hair cloning is going to start in Jermany in 2010 and in India in Dr
» Batras it wil start by 2012. Right now we treat different kinds of hair
» loss by homoeopathic medicines.
This is an incredible statement... how they can say this? wehave
more info abou them??
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Baccy
05.10.2008, 11:32
@ mell
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Batra Clinic |
»
» With regards,
» Dr. Manisha Jadhav.
» Gold medalist
» Homeopathic Consultant, Cyberclinic.
» Reg 21879.
» Tele: 28039300/400
»
Gene Hunt voice on: Gold medalist? I want a bloody doctor not an Olympic runner!
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biston
05.10.2008, 11:37
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Batra Clinic |
Jermany? what's?
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mell
05.10.2008, 11:46
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http://www.expresshealthcaremgmt.com/200803/market22.shtml
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TheOne
05.10.2008, 12:21
@ mell
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Thanks Mell.
So are they going to start selling this in Germany in 2010? or start some kind of trials?
If they plan on selling their thing so soon we need to see figures, details on what they are doing etc and pictures.
Have they been in trials?
From the articel;
"Prof Dr Hoffmann added that this procedure has so far no potential side effects and that it can re-grow large amounts of hair in a period of two years for people with diffuse hair loss. He estimates the success rate of cloning to double that of the standard treatments available nowadays.
The process of hair cloning is estimated to become a reality for patients in a few years. "
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dave21
05.10.2008, 16:01
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Somewhat confusing when they say "within a few years" and then also 2010.
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Striver
05.10.2008, 16:10
@ dave21
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» Somewhat confusing when they say "within a few years" and then also 2010.'
Also that the success rate should double the results available today. I mean, why just "double"? Why not 10 times better? Isn't that the purpose of real hair cloning, that no matter how bald you are, just if you have some donor hair left you can achieve a full head of hair? I think they maybe have a technique as good as Intercytex, where they only can regrow some amount.
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SPQR
05.10.2008, 17:27
@ Striver
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Official Site of Dr Hoffmann |
http://start.dermaticum.de/
Some users from Germany?? We can contact them and ask something.
another site about batra and hoffmann, of february 2008
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2008/02/06/stories/2008020651392100.htm
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Striver
05.10.2008, 17:37
@ SPQR
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Official Site of Dr Hoffmann |
» http://start.dermaticum.de/
»
»
» Some users from Germany?? We can contact them and ask something.
»
»
»
» another site about batra and hoffmann, of february 2008
» http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2008/02/06/stories/2008020651392100.htm
Yeah definitely. goata007 and Max know german I think, they should e-mail and ask. We must act immediately.
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TheOne
05.10.2008, 20:54
(edited by TheOne, 05.10.2008, 22:26)
@ SPQR
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Official Site of Dr Hoffmann |
» http://start.dermaticum.de/
»
»
» Some users from Germany?? We can contact them and ask something.
»
»
»
» another site about batra and hoffmann, of february 2008
» http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2008/02/06/stories/2008020651392100.htm
I translated the link to Hoffmans home page using Windows Live translator.
It really isn't that intersting, The first page is just like a journal of what Dr Hoffman has been up to since 2004, there is some mention of india and stem cell technology but there isn't a single mention from what I could see about HM on the rest of the site.
It just describes available treatments, talks about HT's, Hoffmans tricho scan and other general dermotology etc.
Ill post only the bits relevent to HM.
The second link is a general article about the batra clinic and them planning on introducing HM with Dr Hoffman, Its English but ill copy and paste that one for good measure.
I found some more info on the website - www.trichotissue.com
Which looks like Dr Hoffmans hair transplant and laser therapy site.
Ill post that at the bottom, the translation is not very easy to understand.
First one;
22 July - 26. July 2008:
Prof. Hoffmann located on the training week in Munich. Before dermatologists speaks Prof. Hoffmann vapir to stem cell therapy in hair loss, trichocare and trichoscan.
30 January - 6. February 2008:
Prof. Hoffmann located on a lecture travel in India. Before dermatologist in newdelhi, Bangalore and Mumbai speaks Prof. Hoffmann vapir to stem cell therapy in hair loss.
20. October 2007:
Mr Prof. Hoffmann speaks the occasion of the Conference "IX selection Reunión del Grupo Español de tricología" in Barcelona on stem cell technologies.
June 2007:
Mr Prof. Hoffmann reported in the Magazine "medical practice" on the stem cell technology in hair loss.
Second one;
"Our Bureau
Bangalore, Feb. 5 Homeopathy therapist chain Dr Batra’s Clinic has said it plans to introduce hair cloning in a tie-up with German dermatologist, Dr Rolf Hoffmann.
Dr Mukesh Batra, Chairman and MD, Dr Batra’s Clinic, said, “Bringing cloning to India would be an ideal extension of our brand and would be a very good answer for all hair patients in India.”
Dr Hoffmann, credited with inventing the Trichoscan hair density meter and culturing hair in mice, said his process of hair cloning can become a reality for millions in a few years.
Batra’s is a potential partner with its large chain of homeopathy clinics and a large base of hair patients, he said.
All 275 doctors at Dr Batra’s clinics are being trained.
Affordable hair scanners were being launched. A scan now costs around Rs 2 lakh.
Dr Hoffmann, who is President of the European Hair Research Society, said the hair care market worldwide was estimated at $ 150 billion (around Rs 6,00,000 crore).
The hair transplant business is valued at $1.2 billion (Rs 4,200 crore) and an estimated 7,00,000 patients visit a transplant surgeon each year, according to him. "
www.trichotissue.com;
"State of development
New developments to hair follicle stem cells can hope that new treatment options.
For many years know that cells of the hair root (so-called dermal papilla, papillenzellen) are able, after cell culture and spritzung into the skin new hair. Prevalance that the so-called adult mesenchymale stem cells of hair, the hair growth in General taxes. Until a few years ago it was not possible, these cells in nutritional media to breed which free animalistic components. We use any materials on nutritional media what still animal components. Long testungen we succeeded, completely biotechnically - dial nutritional media to develop, in which the hair root cells optimally grow.
Own developments
Own studies have shown that cells in the direct vicinity of the hair root, after injection into the skin considerably better hair growth created and that in comparison with cells of the hair papilla this hair growth also longer. Because these cells hundenasen root cups like umscheiden, we have you cups called. In our experiments we show that,
Who hair cells in turn whiskers in regions grow where only Downy hair was present;
the researchers injected cells in pre-existing hair roots and a dickeres hair;
after injection in not hairy skin (external) a hair growth to induce;
the - induced hair significantly longer and better delawares, as such hair, using papillenzellen induced.
In the sum, we believe that this "cups cells “ the real mesenchymalen stem cells of hair with inductive properties. The future will show whether such results when people as a kind of micro - hair transplantation recoverable.
Background
The androgenetic alopecia is for women and men the most common form of hair loss. Although the hair loss Mrs and man clinically usually different show it the underlying, hair lessness leading mechanisms the same. It can assume that, due to genetic effigies certain hair follicle at the oberkopf enhanced sensitivity towards androgenes. The research results of recent years have a variety few diagnostically and therapeutic significant findings shows. It have established therapies we finasteride for the man and Rogaine (drug) solution for men and women. Ultimately it is this Therapeutics, what a hair loss in part.
The available medicines work best in early stages of androgenetic alopecia. Often notice patients only little effect, i.e. paralysis of hair loss. In advanced stages of androgenetic alopecia is the hair transplantation an effective therapy option.
With the time, advanced hair unemployment, is insufficient number of donors hair. Then is a hair transplantation no longer possible.
Here is an approach of biotechnological research, from the body's own hair root cells new hair. With this body's own cells in future be able, hair loss even more effective and friendly.
Project plan
The preliminary inquiry and characterization of the cups cells is complete. Now there are several surface marker for a possibly GMP (good manufacturing practice) approval. Still we succeeded, the cells in a not animal medium anzuzüchten. All results to those cells are intellectual property with a patent application protected.
The technology transfer in a GMP - enabled laboratory at a manufacturing approval after GMP.
The plan for the future it is, with a manufacturing permission immediately pilot studies after the law (AMG). At this point we report about new developments."
Here are Babel Fish and Google translations of the last paragraph that are slightly different.;
Project plan
The preliminary investigations and characterisation of the cup cells is final. Meanwhile different surface markers are GMP (good manufacturing practice) for one - permission at the disposal. Further we succeeded, which anzuzüchten cells in a not animal medium. All results to these cells are protected as mental property with a patent application.
The transfer of technology lines up into an GMP able laboratory, in order to request a manufacture permission after GMP.
The plan for the future is it to accomplish with a manufacture permission immediately pilot studies after the drug law (AMG). Here we report on new developments."
Project Plan
The preliminary studies and characterization of the cup cells has been completed. Meanwhile, various surface marker for a possible GMP (good manufacturing practice)-license available. Furthermore, we have succeeded, the cells in a medium non-animal anzuzüchten. All results to these cells are considered intellectual property with a patent-protected.
It is the technology into a GMP-compliant laboratory to a manufacturing license to apply for GMP.
immediately after the pilot studies Drug Law (AMG) to implement. At this point, we report on new developments.
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TheOne
05.10.2008, 22:12
(edited by TheOne, 05.10.2008, 22:28)
@ TheOne
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Official Site of Dr Hoffmann |
I don't know what to make of this.
It doesn't seem likely that it will be available when Batras clinic say.
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helpme007
06.10.2008, 01:59
@ TheOne
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Official Site of Dr Hoffmann |
im from germany, too.
i think hoffmann hasnt started yet. he always delays it.
i read a bit through his site but i didnt find something about hair multiplication. i think he isnt interested in it very much. he much gives tipps about finasterid and minoxidil.
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Max
06.10.2008, 04:07
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Official Site of Dr Hoffmann |
It is pointless to Hoffmann.I had mailed at him a few times.
He has his own forum on research and future.
But his answers always say everything and nothing.
Hoffmann is a good researcher but he will say nothing until it is at closest day to have to be!
Sorry for my english
Here you can sea our question and his answer...
http://translate.google.de/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.haarerkrankungen.de%2Fexpertenrat%2Ferforum%2Findex.php4%3Fshowpage%3Dzeigeforum%26forumnummer%3D11&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&sl=de&tl=en
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Max
10.10.2008, 07:46
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Official Site of Dr Hoffmann |
Ok.I know Prof.Dr.Hoffmann is research at HM(Cell-Therapy).He is discover that the "tassen cells" are the exact stem cells at the hair follicel and not the papilla cells!
Mybe two years ago,he have to adumbrate trials at humans!But nobody know,if he had doing it!Every time he was saying,that he have problems with the bureaucracy.
I can't ask him,his forum is closed to ask him and i dont find the site,where i read it!
For me,it is a big secret at Prof.Dr.Hoffmann!It's all a big secret,Intercytex,Follica,ARI.........
.....
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...........
Someone should write a Mail to the Batra Clinic again,but my english is to bad!
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debris
10.10.2008, 08:11
(edited by debris, 10.10.2008, 08:18)
@ mell
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Hahaha what a joke |
sounds like obvious bs, they know exactly when they are going start selling it, and yet the procedure does not exist atm.
Also they can cure your hairloss by homeopathy now so who needs HM anyway  . LOL
LOL. wake up ppl.
So the winner of "the most naive post of the month prize" goes to mell! Congratulations!
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Max
10.10.2008, 08:19
@ debris
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Hahaha what a joke |
» sounds like obvious bs, they know exactly when they are going start selling
» it, and yet the procedure does not exist atm.
»
» Also they can cure your hairloss by homeopathy so who needs HM anyway .
» LOL
»
» LOL. wake up pp´
hahahahahahahaha,yes....funnnnny
Sh*t.Can you tell me where is it funny!!!
I dont like Hoffmann very much!He talks with the people if they were little stuibit children(at his forum)
But!!!!He is the president of the europen hair research,i think!
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TheOne
10.10.2008, 08:24
@ debris
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Hahaha what a joke |
» sounds like obvious bs, they know exactly when they are going start selling
» it, and yet the procedure does not exist atm.
»
» Also they can cure your hairloss by homeopathy now so who needs HM anyway
» . LOL
»
» LOL. wake up ppl.
»
»
» So the winner of "the most naive post of the month prize" goes to mell!
» Congratulations!
I don't see how it was naive of mell to contact someone who is claiming to have HM soon and report it here so we can all look into it.
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Max
10.10.2008, 08:26
@ TheOne
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Hahaha what a joke |
» » sounds like obvious bs, they know exactly when they are going start
» selling
» » it, and yet the procedure does not exist atm.
» »
» » Also they can cure your hairloss by homeopathy now so who needs HM
» anyway
» » . LOL
» »
» » LOL. wake up ppl.
» »
» »
» » So the winner of "the most naive post of the month prize" goes to mell!
» » Congratulations!
»
» I don't see how it was naive of mell to contact someone who is claiming to
» have HM soon and report it here so we can all look into it.
THEONE---You are right!
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debris
10.10.2008, 08:27
@ Max
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Even that signature is funny |
Hahaha gold medalist homeopathic consultant, lol
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debris
10.10.2008, 08:28
@ TheOne
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Hahaha what a joke |
» » sounds like obvious bs, they know exactly when they are going start
» selling
» » it, and yet the procedure does not exist atm.
» »
» » Also they can cure your hairloss by homeopathy now so who needs HM
» anyway
» » . LOL
» »
» » LOL. wake up ppl.
» »
» »
» » So the winner of "the most naive post of the month prize" goes to mell!
» » Congratulations!
»
» I don't see how it was naive of mell to contact someone who is claiming to
» have HM soon and report it here so we can all look into it.
ok I apologize, in case mell just posted it here to let us know that this is a scam, then ok ta for letting me know about a gold medalist scammer
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debris
10.10.2008, 08:30
@ mell
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Dr Hoffmans response to when cell therapy would be available |
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if you dont speak german, the important is that he says is that atm its preliminary to ask a date because it can be 3, 5 or even 10 years.
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Dear questioner,
letztlich ist es so: ultimately, it is this:
A. Vor einer Zulassung stehen Studien, die bedürfen Zeit und benötigen ebenfalls eine Zulassung. A. Before an authorization are studies that require time and also need an authorization.
B. Weiterhin sollte eine Zelltherapie wirken. B. Furthermore, a cell therapy effect. Noch steht das nicht fest. Still is not fixed.
Daher: Jede Zeitangabe ist komplett hypothetisch, aber offenbar phantasiert der Mensch nun gern. Therefore: Any time is completely hypothetical, but apparently fantasises happy man now. Es kann 3, 5 oder aber auch 10 Jahre dauern. It can be 3, 5 or even 10 years. Wenn es wirklich soweit ist, werden die Medien dann die exakten Daten berichten. If it really is the extent, the media then report the exact data. Alles andere ist meist nur ein Strohfeuer. Everything else is mostly just a straw fire.
Mfg Mfg.
R. Hoffmann R. Hoffmann
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Max
10.10.2008, 08:38
@ debris
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Dr Hoffmans response to when cell therapy would be available |
I know!
It was my first post on this board!
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Max
10.10.2008, 08:48
@ Max
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Dr Hoffmans response to when cell therapy would be available |
Hoffmann will never tell the truth, he works himself to HM and recalls on the territorial advantage Intercytex has.
He also has no reason to tell us something, and his forum is a joke.Never he says something we do not already know.
He never talks about his own research, probably why.
We in Germany thought he has abandoned, because we have nothing more about his research belongs .And then came the post of Mell!
It does not sound as if he had abandoned!
And if you talks in the future so bad to my FRIEND Hoffman,you dont get a Hairmultiplication
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debris
10.10.2008, 08:57
@ Max
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Dr Hoffmans response to when cell therapy would be available |
»
» And if you talks in the future so bad to my FRIEND Hoffman,you dont get a
» Hairmultiplication
I dont need him. I'll put some crystals under my bed tonight and tomorrow I'll wake up with full head of hair.
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helpme007
10.10.2008, 09:00
@ debris
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Dr Hoffmans response to when cell therapy would be available |
i think hoffmann is a reasonable man.
what he says sounds more reasonable than what people on this website say.
i think he is right in every sentence.
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Max
10.10.2008, 09:07
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Dr Hoffmans response to when cell therapy would be available |
Richtig,aber seit Jahren erzählt er von einer eigenen Versuchsreihe am Menschen!
Wenn man hin danach fargt,hört man nür von bürokratischen Problemen!
Es is völlig untergegeangen,aber scheinbar hat er etwas mit der Batra-Klinik zu tun!
Auch hier hilft nur warten!
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debris
10.10.2008, 09:07
@ helpme007
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Dr Hoffmans response to when cell therapy would be available |
» i think hoffmann is a reasonable man.
»
» what he says sounds more reasonable than what people on this website say.
»
» i think he is right in every sentence.
yeah I agree with him when he said that the date of release is preliminary question and any time estimate would be hypothetical
This gold medalist homeopathy healer though sounds like a complete BS though.
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helpme007
10.10.2008, 09:07
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its NOT funny |
you can see that its bs if you just read it for 10 seconds. its so obvious that its not funny.
its same like when people post spam from any spam-website, like they sometimes do in here.
if you dont see that this is bs in 5-10 seconds you are very naive. and thinking you are not naive coz you laugh about it, is wrong. you are naive too. its too obvious to laugh about it.
well maybe mell even made a joke with all of us...
for real...did anyone think this was real?
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debris
10.10.2008, 09:28
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its NOT funny |
» for real...did anyone think this was real?
I hope not because if anyone would then he better should visit brainlosshelp.com
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helpme007
10.10.2008, 10:39
@ debris
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its NOT funny |
» » for real...did anyone think this was real?
»
» I hope not because if anyone would then he better should visit
» brainlosshelp.com
ya, excactly 
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Max
11.10.2008, 11:02
@ helpme007
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its NOT funny |
» » » for real...did anyone think this was real?
» »
» » I hope not because if anyone would then he better should visit
» » brainlosshelp.com
»
» ya, excactly
Whats with the mail from Mell about the batra clinic?I dont think thats mell is a Fake!!!
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debris
11.10.2008, 12:09
@ Max
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its NOT funny |
» » » » for real...did anyone think this was real?
» » »
» » » I hope not because if anyone would then he better should visit
» » » brainlosshelp.com
» »
» » ya, excactly
»
»
» Whats with the mail from Mell about the batra clinic?I dont think thats
» mell is a Fake!!!
mells not fake, and basically this means the cure has been found, call the clinic and they will sell you homeopathic multiplication (HM) and you'll have all your hair back!
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Max
17.10.2008, 07:06
@ debris
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Dr Hoffmans response to when cell therapy would be available |
o.k...
I sent a mail to prof.dr. Hoffmann!
Here is the answer!
Because of the regulatory authorities will probably NOBODY
within the next 3-5 years a product can offer ...
Sorry,but his answer evertime are short!
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