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baldbaby

06.10.2008, 11:43

will the financial crisis affect GETTING OUR HAIR BACK??? (Support & General Discussions)
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how will the global financial crisis affect the search for a hairloss cure?

i would think that with banks failing, and credit much more hard to come by, lots of researchers will be shutting down their research and trials for a while. this more than anything else, may slow down the search for a cure, and the reality of making it available to the public!

how will companies like intercytex, which were strapped for cash even before the crisis, survive? their stock was dropping like a lead brick before the meltdown, what's likely to happen to it now?

and with their stock falling, so their valuation falls, they can't get credit, they have to start laying people off, or asking them to volunteer, etc. it won't be pretty in 2009.

what do people think on this board???

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baldbaby

19.10.2008, 12:59

@ Willy
You want me to prove a negative?

ť Is that the same as saying, "I have no answer to that"?

no.

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baldbaby

19.10.2008, 11:03

@ Willy
Yes

ť ť ť how will the global financial crisis affect the search for a hairloss
ť ť ť cure?
ť ť ť
ť ť ť i would think that with banks failing, and credit much more hard to
ť ť come
ť ť ť by, lots of researchers will be shutting down their research and
ť trials
ť ť for
ť ť ť a while. this more than anything else, may slow down the search for
ť a
ť ť ť cure, and the reality of making it available to the public!
ť ť ť
ť ť ť how will companies like intercytex, which were strapped for cash even
ť ť ť before the crisis, survive? their stock was dropping like a lead
ť ť brick
ť ť ť before the meltdown, what's likely to happen to it now?
ť ť ť
ť ť ť and with their stock falling, so their valuation falls, they can't
ť get
ť ť ť credit, they have to start laying people off, or asking them to
ť ť volunteer,
ť ť ť etc. it won't be pretty in 2009.
ť ť ť
ť ť ť what do people think on this board???
ť ť
ť ť I agree. Its simple macroeconomics. Less liquidity, less credit, less
ť ť investment. Pharma will be looking to fund only those research efforts
ť ť that are likely to return viable products. Where they once would have
ť had
ť ť a higher tolerance for failure, they will now revise their risk
ť guidelines.
ť ť I do think that the major player - Follica - is far enough along that
ť its
ť ť efforts won't be impacted too greatly. Acell is already on the market,
ť but
ť ť it has no application for hairloss, so its irrelevant to the discussion.
ť
ť ť As for those new technologies and treatments that are currently just
ť ideas
ť ť in some Phd candidate's head, this collapse just pushed back their
ť ť timelines.
ť
ť Thank God you're here to shed some light on the situation.

what willy says is light is really darkness.

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baldbaby

19.10.2008, 10:32

@ Leonard
Yes

ť ť ť ť ť how will the global financial crisis affect the search for a
ť ť hairloss
ť ť ť ť ť cure?
ť ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť ť i would think that with banks failing, and credit much more hard
ť to
ť ť ť ť come
ť ť ť ť ť by, lots of researchers will be shutting down their research and
ť ť ť trials
ť ť ť ť for
ť ť ť ť ť a while. this more than anything else, may slow down the search
ť ť for
ť ť ť a
ť ť ť ť ť cure, and the reality of making it available to the public!
ť ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť ť how will companies like intercytex, which were strapped for cash
ť ť even
ť ť ť ť ť before the crisis, survive? their stock was dropping like a
ť lead
ť ť ť ť brick
ť ť ť ť ť before the meltdown, what's likely to happen to it now?
ť ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť ť and with their stock falling, so their valuation falls, they
ť can't
ť ť ť get
ť ť ť ť ť credit, they have to start laying people off, or asking them to
ť ť ť ť volunteer,
ť ť ť ť ť etc. it won't be pretty in 2009.
ť ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť ť what do people think on this board???
ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť I agree. Its simple macroeconomics. Less liquidity, less credit,
ť ť less
ť ť ť ť investment. Pharma will be looking to fund only those research
ť ť efforts
ť ť ť ť that are likely to return viable products. Where they once would
ť ť have
ť ť ť had
ť ť ť ť a higher tolerance for failure, they will now revise their risk
ť ť ť guidelines.
ť ť ť ť I do think that the major player - Follica - is far enough along
ť ť that
ť ť ť its
ť ť ť ť efforts won't be impacted too greatly. Acell is already on the
ť ť market,
ť ť ť but
ť ť ť ť it has no application for hairloss, so its irrelevant to the
ť ť discussion.
ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť As for those new technologies and treatments that are currently
ť just
ť ť ť ideas
ť ť ť ť in some Phd candidate's head, this collapse just pushed back their
ť ť ť ť timelines.
ť ť ť
ť ť ť Incorrect on several fronts. Few things:
ť ť ť
ť ť ť 1. Venture or biotech capital relies on 100% equity investment. There
ť ť is
ť ť ť no debt - it's too risky an asset class for debt. So the credit
ť crunch
ť ť is
ť ť ť not going to affect liquidity for startups.
ť ť ť 2. The vast majority venture capital funds took advantage of the boom
ť ť ť market to raise huge, billion dollar funds. These funds are now
ť ť committed
ť ť ť and ready to be invested. The credit crunch is not going to affect
ť this
ť ť ť money.
ť ť ť 3. The billion dollar funds in the hands of venture capitalists have
ť to
ť ť be
ť ť ť put to work (eg. investment).
ť ť ť
ť ť ť Case in point: Follica raised $11m in August. Financing led by
ť Polaris
ť ť ť Venture Parters.
ť ť ť
ť ť ť Ask yourself this: you are sitting on a big pile of money that needs
ť to
ť ť be
ť ť ť invested. Are you going to hold-off investing in good opportunities
ť ť simply
ť ť ť because of the credit crisis (which is not going to affect the
ť success
ť ť or
ť ť ť failure of your developing technology)?
ť ť
ť ť 1. I said PHARMA, not VCs, but...
ť ť
ť ť 2. Where do you think VCs get their capital from? It just
ť materializes?
ť ť It is funded, reconstituted and maintained through the activities of
ť its
ť ť participants. EVERYTHING is dependent on the credit market, if not
ť ť directly, then indirectly.
ť
ť You said Pharma but you mention Follica and Acell. Do you know that
ť Follica and Acell are VC funded? Also, Pharma does not get its money from
ť the capital markets. They get it from their customers. R&D is funded out of
ť operating cash flow. Despite the state of the economy, the medical business
ť is one of the industries that is least affected by GDP declines, so their
ť cash flow should remain strong.
ť
ť Tell me in detail what you mean by participants and how money is
ť reconstituted and maintained. I work in the capital markets business, and I
ť suspect that you have no idea how funding lines work.
ť
ť Also, try reading the above - VCs ALREADY have their money and it is
ť already in the bank.
ť
ť A statement like "everything depends on the credit market" is just silly.
ť Of course this is true - it's the basic economics of a globalized,
ť interlinked economy. I can also say "everything in finance depends on the
ť weather", which is true as the weather affects weather derivatives, which
ť affects bank profits, which affects consumer spending, and which affects
ť everything according to Keynesian Model of the economy. But my statement
ť would be just as silly as yours, because what's more important is the
ť extent of the elasticity. In VC land, the credit market is not going to
ť affect funding for biotech startups significantly. How would you explain
ť the ease at which Follica received their funding?

we didn't say EVERYTHING depends on the credit market u cretin, we did say that the general funds in vc funding are very much affected by it.

if u look at all the stats, vc funding is down this quarter and that reflects a lack of confidence in the overall economy.

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baldbaby

19.10.2008, 10:16

@ cal
Yes

ť I don't have to prove Acell works. You have to prove it doesn't.
ť

wrong. they have to prove it works to sell it to people for hairloss, otherwise it would be fraud.

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baldbaby

19.10.2008, 09:56

@ Willy
they stop with this idiotic line .....

ť ť ť ť ť they stop with this war of egos, are concentrated better in
ť ť something.
ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť For once I understand and agree with you. I didn't start this
ť ť totally
ť ť ť ť off-topic argument. Lil' Willy is very sensitive and takes Acell
ť ť very
ť ť ť ť personally. I didn't once mention him by name, but he couldn't
ť help
ť ť ť but
ť ť ť ť wade into this thread and start his ramblings because of one
ť tertiary
ť ť ť point
ť ť ť ť I made. You guys call me a troll, but I'm not the one picking
ť these
ť ť ť ť fights. If its not Revtard e-stalking me, its Willy desperately
ť ť trying
ť ť ť to
ť ť ť ť defend his (shot) credibility.
ť ť ť
ť ť ť Answer my above posts to "prove" your credibility.
ť ť
ť ť You got me. I did a cursory scan of you post history. Here are two
ť posts
ť ť by you BEFORE ACELL WAS EVEN RELEASED FOR HUMAN USE suggesting it could
ť be
ť ť used for hairloss:
ť ť
ť ť
ť ť http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-28128.html
ť ť
ť ť http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-30454.html
ť ť
ť ť These predate your other post that somehow "proves" that you weren't
ť ť hyping acell.
ť ť
ť ť Forgive me if I didn't look further into your posts, but there are 27
ť ť pages of them, and I was only looking for posts that predated the one
ť you
ť ť have given as "proof".
ť ť
ť ť I like this statement from the second link:
ť ť
ť ť "Once (Acell) is released for human use, can't it be utilized for
ť ť hairloss?
ť
ť
ť Please include the whole paragraph:
ť
ť Why will it take a couple of years for Acell be tried for
ť hairloss? It's supposed to be released for human use later this
ť year. Once it is released for human use, can't it be utilized for hairloss?
ť I spoke with the people at Acell and they seemed to think that
ť it would be worth a try...and I didn't get the impression that it
ť would require any further regulatory testing to try it.
ť Maybe I'm wrong about this? If I'm not, I would think that we would just
ť have to find a HT doctor that is willing to use Acell during a HT (strip or
ť FUE) and see what happens. I've already spoken with a
ť couple of HT doctors that would be willing to try Acell when it is released
ť for human use. (Although that was several months ago....so hopefully they
ť haven't changed their minds).

now even the acell guy says it probably won't grow any new hair, only prevent some scarring. a good thing, i guess, but this is FAR from the original intent you were touting and making post after post about.

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baldbaby

19.10.2008, 01:58

@ Willy
Yes

ť ť ť I don't have to prove Acell works. You have to prove it doesn't.
ť ť
ť ť fckhrls, or anyone for that matter, should only have to prove acell
ť ť doesn't work if first there was credible evidence that it does work.
ť ť there has been absolutely NO credible evidence that it does regrow
ť hair,
ť ť apart from a few people on this board reading things into certain
ť photos
ť ť they've seen of dogs' legs on the website of a company that never
ť claimed
ť ť to regrow hair in the first place.
ť
ť
ť I disagree. You guys make the statement that Acell won't work
ť as if you know this for a fact. You are the only ones that are definite
ť about Acell. I believe that anyone makes such a bold statement should be
ť able to back it up with proof. As far as claiming to regrow hair, they
ť said that they are confident it will regrow removed donor hair
ť (but made no guarantees).
ť
ť
ť ť hey, if i were acell, and some eager people started bombarding me with
ť ť emails telling me my company could make a lot of money on a brand new
ť ť application for my product, and in fact offering to do all the
ť networking
ť ť for me to organise clinical tests, and even do some free publicity and
ť ť "evangelism" for me, then i'd probably jump at the chance, too -- even
ť if i
ť ť had absolutely no idea that their speculation had any merit. i would
ť jump
ť ť at the chance because i would have absolutely nothing to lose, and
ť others
ť ť were doing ALL the work and spending ALL the money.
ť
ť
ť You speak as if the HT doctors are idiots. If they have enough
ť faith to try it....why wouldn't you want them to? As far as someone else
ť doing all the work....that was done on my time (not yours) and a few other
ť forum members so why do you care? And by the way, I don't regret the time
ť I spent on Acell no matter how the results turn out. Even if it only helps
ť for scar repair....that is a huge issue for many HT patients who had bad
ť procedures so how can it be minimalized?
ť
ť
ť ť if acell grew new hair, we'd know about it already because this company
ť ť would already have been out there long ago touting its procedure as a
ť hair
ť ť regeneration remedy for humans. if they had any indication the stuff
ť can
ť ť regrow brand new hair, de novo, they would have retooled their company
ť into
ť ť a human hair regeneration startup and would be in a very different
ť position
ť ť right now.
ť
ť
ť I spoke to Acell this week. They said that they are supposed
ť to speak to Dr. Umar this week. He performed a FUE procedure on a patient
ť a while back and that patient is going to send pics (of results) to him
ť this week. They also said that a couple other docs performed procedures
ť using Acell's ECM a couple weeks ago so they have no results to report yet.
ť
ť
ť
ť I don't understand why certain members of this forum are so
ť "anti-progress". Many of us have been comming to this forum for over 10
ť years and listening to the same "5 years away" over and over again. Here
ť it is 10 years later and it is still 5 years away. I, for one, am very
ť sick of hearing that BS and am happy that Acell is being tested, home
ť experiments with Follica are being attempted, ect... Maybe one of these
ť treatments will work, maybe not but at least people are being proactive. I
ť believe that there is a good chance that the cure may be "stumbled upon"
ť accidentally by researchers not even trying to find a cure for mpb. No
ť matter how it's found, I really don't care, I just want a full head of
ť hair again.

yah, we know... we are the only ones being certain about acell, and you aren't, you just have an open mind.

it's good to have an open mind, but you have to choose the things you have an open mind about.

it's not a good idea to put too much faith in something that has a very low chance of working.

we're not criticizing you for the idea of having an open mind, we're criticizing you because there's enough we already know about acell to suggest that IT WILL NOT GROW NEW HAIR. even a guy from acell said that it probably wouldn't grow new hair.

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baldbaby

18.10.2008, 19:28

@ Willy
Yes

ť ť As far as claiming to regrow hair, they
ť ť ť said that they are confident it will regrow removed donor
ť ť hair
ť ť ť (but made no guarantees). [/color]
ť ť
ť ť Again, that's not SCIENCE. If you are confident about something, then
ť you
ť ť have a reason - i.e. DATA - to feel confident. So they must have done
ť some
ť ť studies? Lets see them.
ť ť
ť ť Hey Willy, I'm confident this concoction in my kitchen will grow hair.
ť I
ť ť haven't done any studies yet, but I'm really confident. Want to buy
ť it?
ť
ť If you had any credibility.......maybe. But, unfortunatley YOU DON'T.

willy is always attacking people on this board as if he knows anything about science, but willy knows nothing about science and just makes wild assumptions.

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baldbaby

18.10.2008, 14:50

@ Willy
You want me to prove a negative?

ť ť ť As far as studies performed on Acell (or any other product) I really
ť ť don't
ť ť ť care.
ť ť
ť ť And that is why no one should pay any attention to you. There's really
ť ť nothing more to say.
ť
ť
ť Here is my proof of my claims about Acell:
ť
ť http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-34984-page-4-category-1-order-last_answer.html
ť
ť
ť Where's Yours?
ť
ť
ť AND THAT IS WHY NO ONE SHOULD PAY ANY ATTENTION TO YOU. THERE'S REALLY
ť NOTHING MORE TO SAY.

ok for you...

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baldbaby

18.10.2008, 13:46

@ Willy
Yes

ť ť ť ť ť ť As far as claiming to regrow hair, they
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť said that they are confident it will regrow removed
ť ť ť donor
ť ť ť ť ť ť hair
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť (but made no guarantees). [/color]
ť ť ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť ť ť Again, that's not SCIENCE. If you are confident about
ť something,
ť ť ť ť then
ť ť ť ť ť you
ť ť ť ť ť ť have a reason - i.e. DATA - to feel confident. So they must
ť have
ť ť ť ť done
ť ť ť ť ť some
ť ť ť ť ť ť studies? Lets see them.
ť ť ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť ť ť Hey Willy, I'm confident this concoction in my kitchen will
ť grow
ť ť ť hair.
ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť ť I
ť ť ť ť ť ť haven't done any studies yet, but I'm really confident. Want
ť to
ť ť ť buy
ť ť ť ť ť it?
ť ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť ť If you had any credibility.......maybe. But, unfortunatley YOU
ť ť ť DON'T.
ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť You are what people in the snake-oil business like to call a
ť "sucker".
ť ť
ť ť ť ť They've been making money of you guys for millennia. That is,
ť until
ť ť ť ť science came along. Now a days, only the most hard-core suckers
ť ť remain.
ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť You are to be congratulated for your abstinence - its what keeps
ť the
ť ť ť ť snake-oil business alive.
ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť I bet you're the kind of guy that buys those penis enlargement
ť pills.
ť ť
ť ť ť ť "But...the commercial SAYS it will work!"
ť ť ť
ť ť ť Ok....new challenge.......find something from Acell where they have
ť ť tried
ť ť ť to sell snake oil. Find SOMETHING where Acell has tried sell us
ť ť anything.
ť ť
ť ť What is this? A Japanese game show? "Lil' Willy's Wheel of
ť Idiocy"? I'm
ť ť not here to complete your challenges.
ť ť
ť ť Buddy, you're really grasping at straws. And see my last post.
ť
ť Is that the same as, "I don't have anything to back up my statement so
ť I'll just insult you instead"?

no.

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baldbaby

18.10.2008, 03:12

@ fred123
Yes

ť ť As far as claiming to regrow hair, they
ť ť ť said that they are confident it will regrow removed donor
ť ť hair
ť ť ť (but made no guarantees). [/color]
ť ť
ť ť Again, that's not SCIENCE. If you are confident about something, then
ť you
ť ť have a reason - i.e. DATA - to feel confident. So they must have done
ť some
ť ť studies? Lets see them.
ť ť
ť ť Hey Willy, I'm confident this concoction in my kitchen will grow hair.
ť I
ť ť haven't done any studies yet, but I'm really confident. Want to buy
ť it?
ť
ť Hey fkhrls,
ť
ť I personally would try it if you described acceptable logic around it.
ť
ť Take for example ECM, it regenerates wounded tissues to the host tissue
ť state, if it hits scar it regenerates scar, it hits skin it regenerates
ť skin...
ť
ť My thinking is with ECM you have nothing to lose with scalp wounds.
ť
ť Tell me more about your kitchen concoction?

what qualifications do most of these people who are doing home experiments have? do they know how to measure out and dilute solutions? do they know the proper depth to dermabrade the skin? do they operate under sterile conditions to prevent infections?

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baldbaby

18.10.2008, 00:08

@ rev
You want me to prove a negative?

i disagree.

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baldbaby

17.10.2008, 23:07

@ helpme007
no thanks, willy!!!

ť nt

nt

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baldbaby

17.10.2008, 21:43

@ rev
will the financial crisis affect GETTING OUR HAIR BACK???

ť ť No.
ť ^ what he said.
ť
ť Do you really want to know what will affect us from getting our hair
ť back?
ť

ť SCIENCE!!!

and the financial crisis!

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baldbaby

17.10.2008, 21:41
(edited by baldbaby, 17.10.2008, 21:50)

@ baldlatino34
they stop with this idiotic line .....

ť they stop with this war of egos, are concentrated better in something.

you should say "you" instead of "they".

you cannot use "they" in the imperative tense in English.

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baldbaby

17.10.2008, 20:31

@ Willy
Yes

ť ť ť ť ť ť As far as claiming to regrow hair, they
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť said that they are confident it will regrow removed
ť ť ť donor
ť ť ť ť ť ť hair
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť (but made no guarantees). [/color]
ť ť ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť ť ť Again, that's not SCIENCE. If you are confident about
ť something,
ť ť ť ť then
ť ť ť ť ť you
ť ť ť ť ť ť have a reason - i.e. DATA - to feel confident. So they must
ť have
ť ť ť ť done
ť ť ť ť ť some
ť ť ť ť ť ť studies? Lets see them.
ť ť ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť ť ť Hey Willy, I'm confident this concoction in my kitchen will
ť grow
ť ť ť hair.
ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť ť I
ť ť ť ť ť ť haven't done any studies yet, but I'm really confident. Want
ť to
ť ť ť buy
ť ť ť ť ť it?
ť ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť ť If you had any credibility.......maybe. But, unfortunatley YOU
ť ť ť DON'T.
ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť You are what people in the snake-oil business like to call a
ť "sucker".
ť ť
ť ť ť ť They've been making money of you guys for millennia. That is,
ť until
ť ť ť ť science came along. Now a days, only the most hard-core suckers
ť ť remain.
ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť You are to be congratulated for your abstinence - its what keeps
ť the
ť ť ť ť snake-oil business alive.
ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť I bet you're the kind of guy that buys those penis enlargement
ť pills.
ť ť
ť ť ť ť "But...the commercial SAYS it will work!"
ť ť ť
ť ť ť Ok....new challenge.......find something from Acell where they have
ť ť tried
ť ť ť to sell snake oil. Find SOMETHING where Acell has tried sell us
ť ť anything.
ť ť
ť ť What is this? A Japanese game show? "Lil' Willy's Wheel of
ť Idiocy"? I'm
ť ť not here to complete your challenges.
ť ť
ť ť Buddy, you're really grasping at straws. And see my last post.
ť
ť Is that the same as, "I don't have anything to back up my statement so
ť I'll just insult you instead"?

no.

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baldbaby

17.10.2008, 16:46

@ Sceptic
Acell

ť ť I'm still convinced that if they could somehow inject Acell into the
ť scalp
ť ť they could regenerate the Follicles,
ť
ť not to mention if you eat it, just do it!!

right!

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17.10.2008, 15:12

@ JamesJ
will the financial crisis affect GETTING OUR HAIR BACK???

ť ť how will the global financial crisis affect the search for a hairloss
ť ť cure?
ť ť
ť ť i would think that with banks failing, and credit much more hard to
ť come
ť ť by, lots of researchers will be shutting down their research and trials
ť for
ť ť a while. this more than anything else, may slow down the search for a
ť ť cure, and the reality of making it available to the public!
ť ť
ť ť how will companies like intercytex, which were strapped for cash even
ť ť before the crisis, survive? their stock was dropping like a lead
ť brick
ť ť before the meltdown, what's likely to happen to it now?
ť ť
ť ť and with their stock falling, so their valuation falls, they can't get
ť ť credit, they have to start laying people off, or asking them to
ť volunteer,
ť ť etc. it won't be pretty in 2009.
ť ť
ť ť what do people think on this board???
ť
ť It will most definitely affect scientific research in all areas because
ť there will be less donations from wealthy people.

agreed.

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JamesJ

12.10.2008, 21:08

@ baldbaby
will the financial crisis affect GETTING OUR HAIR BACK???

ť how will the global financial crisis affect the search for a hairloss
ť cure?
ť
ť i would think that with banks failing, and credit much more hard to come
ť by, lots of researchers will be shutting down their research and trials for
ť a while. this more than anything else, may slow down the search for a
ť cure, and the reality of making it available to the public!
ť
ť how will companies like intercytex, which were strapped for cash even
ť before the crisis, survive? their stock was dropping like a lead brick
ť before the meltdown, what's likely to happen to it now?
ť
ť and with their stock falling, so their valuation falls, they can't get
ť credit, they have to start laying people off, or asking them to volunteer,
ť etc. it won't be pretty in 2009.
ť
ť what do people think on this board???

It will most definitely affect scientific research in all areas because there will be less donations from wealthy people.

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Sceptic

12.10.2008, 10:19

@ Dogstar
Acell

ť I'm still convinced that if they could somehow inject Acell into the scalp
ť they could regenerate the Follicles,

not to mention if you eat it, just do it!!

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Dogstar

11.10.2008, 22:29

@ helpme007
Acell

I'm still convinced that if they could somehow inject Acell into the scalp they could regenerate the Follicles, That's what they want to do at stanford with another ECM, But it looks like they won't be trying it for a couple of years yet.

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helpme007

10.10.2008, 06:21

@ scarred5
ya, thanks willy !!

nt

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scarred5

10.10.2008, 01:45

@ Willy
thanks willy much appreciated

they also must have some news regarding the soldiers, regardless of the pessimisom on the boards im still hopeful it can help eradicate these mofu' scars

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Willy

09.10.2008, 21:44

@ scarred5
Willy!Whats with Acell!When we can a update from a Doc

ť we havent heard from jones or any update bout the soldiers for quite
ť awhile which may not be good i am still holding off on my planned revision
ť work till we know more. for at least couple months

Acell told me (this week) that Dr. Jones had just performed a procedure using Acell's ECM just a couple weeks ago. I must admit that I was hoping to hear something by now.....I hope that is not a bad sign. I'm going to call them again in about 2 weeks.

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scarred5

09.10.2008, 17:35

@ Max
Willy!Whats with Acell!When we can a update from a Doc

we havent heard from jones or any update bout the soldiers for quite awhile which may not be good i am still holding off on my planned revision work till we know more. for at least couple months

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Max

09.10.2008, 17:27

@ Willy
Willy!Whats with Acell!When we can a update from a Doc

o.k
We can and must wait a few days more.Maybe next week!
Dr. Umar make a trial with Acell at FUE!But there are no
Scar when you get a FUE!
I hope he will be regrow hair...What else :-)

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Willy

09.10.2008, 17:18

@ Max
Willy!Whats with Acell!When we can a update from a Doc

ť Ok.Thank you!
ť What do you think?I think acell could works!
ť I have a cat.It' has a very big violation for a long time ago on the leg!
ť The skin is cured,but there is no hair regrow!And when i looked at the
ť website of Acell and the pics at the animals ,there was hair regrow!!!!!
ť
ť Do you know what i think ;-)

I don't know.........I was hoping to here something by now. I'm keeping my fingers crossed but not getting my hopes up too high.

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Max

09.10.2008, 15:01

@ Willy
Willy!Whats with Acell!When we can a update from a Doc

Ok.Thank you!
What do you think?I think acell could works!
I have a cat.It' has a very big violation for a long time ago on the leg!
The skin is cured,but there is no hair regrow!And when i looked at the website of Acell and the pics at the animals ,there was hair regrow!!!!!

Do you know what i think ;-)

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Willy

09.10.2008, 13:59

@ Max
Willy!Whats with Acell!When we can a update from a Doc

ť :confused:

I called them this week.....Dr. Umar is waiting for pics from his patient. He is going to talk to them this week. Hopefully, we'll get some positive results. I'm going to call them again in 2 weeks. I don't like to call more than once every couple of weeks (I don't want to annoy them).

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Max

09.10.2008, 10:38

@ Willy
Willy!Whats with Acell!When we can a update from a Doc

:confused:

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helpme007

09.10.2008, 10:20

@ rev
You want me to prove a negative?

ť ť i think he comes here coz he has his full head of hair coz of
ť meds. he
ť ť could lose it if the meds stop working. and he has to take the meds, so
ť if
ť ť something better comes a long he could benefit of it. i can understand
ť why
ť ť he comes here. probably coz he fears that he might lose his hair once
ť in
ť ť time.
ť ť
ť ť fckhrls is lucky somehow. he started meds early enough. i didnt. :-( so
ť i
ť ť need to try new things and hope for new discoveries.
ť
ť Wrong.
ť
ť People with a "full head of hair" -- especially those who kept
ť their hair for well over a decade with meds -- would not linger around
ť hairsite to pick on EVERYONE (from Baccy to Benji to Cal to Hanging to
ť everyone from the HT section, to Jtelecom to Willy) unless they were:
ť 01) lying, balding, and desperate for a cure
ť (but too cowardly to admit it)
ť 02) fukked in the head (and i mean
ť seriously fukked in the head).

maybe he should change his nick to fckdhead :-D .

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HanginInThere

Hair loss University,
09.10.2008, 05:58

@ fckhrls
Yes

ť ť
ť ť I pasted a link to an article somewhere else which contradicts a lot of
ť ť what you said. But in any case, I'm not interested in debating with you
ť any
ť ť further. If you feel that you are correct, then that's fine. I don't
ť get
ť ť any pleasure over showing up an anonymous poster, especially one who
ť has
ť ť not contibuted anything.
ť
ť We can go link for link, though mine is actually relevant to the
ť discussion:
ť
ť From Baldbaby's post:
ť
ť "Ron conway is a top silicon valley angel investor who knows all that can
ť be
ť known about how easy it is to get vc money...
ť
ť from techcrunch.com today:
ť
ť http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/10/08/angel-investor-ron-conway-adresses-his-portfolio-companies-over-financial-meltdown/
ť
ť Some select quotes:
ť
ť "Unlike the turmoil of 2000 when the action was centered right here in
ť Silicon Valley this time is it centered on Wall Street..but it has rippled
ť to the west coast quickly and we will not be immune to its drastic
ť effects."
ť
ť "The message is simple. Raising capital will be much more difficult now."
ť
ť Still "showing" me up? I mean really, you can't be involved in the
ť capital markets, unless by "involved" you mean you work the mail room or
ť are on some sort of summer internship.

fkhrls worked for lehman brothers
he got a golden parachute...........unfortunately these are tailored for the job description and since he was a sanitary engineer cleaning the latrine , he got a years supply of Charmin

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09.10.2008, 02:50
(edited by fckhrls, 09.10.2008, 02:58)

@ Leonard
Yes

ť
ť I pasted a link to an article somewhere else which contradicts a lot of
ť what you said. But in any case, I'm not interested in debating with you any
ť further. If you feel that you are correct, then that's fine. I don't get
ť any pleasure over showing up an anonymous poster, especially one who has
ť not contibuted anything.

We can go link for link, though mine is actually relevant to the discussion:

From Baldbaby's post:

"Ron conway is a top silicon valley angel investor who knows all that can be
known about how easy it is to get vc money...

from techcrunch.com today:

http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/10/08/angel-investor-ron-conway-adresses-his-portfolio-companies-over-financial-meltdown/

Some select quotes:

"Unlike the turmoil of 2000 when the action was centered right here in Silicon Valley this time is it centered on Wall Street..but it has rippled to the west coast quickly and we will not be immune to its drastic effects."

"The message is simple. Raising capital will be much more difficult now."

Still "showing" me up? I mean really, you can't be involved in the capital markets, unless by "involved" you mean you work the mail room or are on some sort of summer internship.

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fred123

08.10.2008, 19:49

@ fckhrls
Yes

ť As far as claiming to regrow hair, they
ť ť said that they are confident it will regrow removed donor
ť hair
ť ť (but made no guarantees). [/color]
ť
ť Again, that's not SCIENCE. If you are confident about something, then you
ť have a reason - i.e. DATA - to feel confident. So they must have done some
ť studies? Lets see them.
ť
ť Hey Willy, I'm confident this concoction in my kitchen will grow hair. I
ť haven't done any studies yet, but I'm really confident. Want to buy it?

Hey fkhrls,

I personally would try it if you described acceptable logic around it.

Take for example ECM, it regenerates wounded tissues to the host tissue state, if it hits scar it regenerates scar, it hits skin it regenerates skin...

My thinking is with ECM you have nothing to lose with scalp wounds.

Tell me more about your kitchen concoction?

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rev

your nightmares,
08.10.2008, 18:15

@ helpme007
You want me to prove a negative?

ť i think he comes here coz he has his full head of hair coz of meds. he
ť could lose it if the meds stop working. and he has to take the meds, so if
ť something better comes a long he could benefit of it. i can understand why
ť he comes here. probably coz he fears that he might lose his hair once in
ť time.
ť
ť fckhrls is lucky somehow. he started meds early enough. i didnt. :-( so i
ť need to try new things and hope for new discoveries.

Wrong.

People with a "full head of hair" -- especially those who kept their hair for well over a decade with meds -- would not linger around hairsite to pick on EVERYONE (from Baccy to Benji to Cal to Hanging to everyone from the HT section, to Jtelecom to Willy) unless they were:
01) lying, balding, and desperate for a cure (but too cowardly to admit it)
02) fukked in the head (and i mean seriously fukked in the head).

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helpme007

08.10.2008, 15:43

@ Willy
You want me to prove a negative?

ť ť ť ť ť ť ť ť ť You made that statement today (only a short time ago). Do
ť ť you
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť ť understand
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť ť ť now?
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť ť No, I still don't see how a statement you made in response
ť to
ť ť ť ť ť ť critiques
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť ť that had already been voiced by others is "proof" that you
ť ť ť didn't
ť ť ť ť ť ť hype
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť the
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť ť product.
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť ť ť By the way, that statement was made in July....when Acell
ť ť was
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť released
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť ť for
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť ť ť human use. If you can PROVE me wrong (by finding a post
ť ť ť where
ť ť ť ť I
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť ť guarantee
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť ť ť Acell's success).....go for it.....otherwise, shut up.
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť ť I'm not going to waste my time going through your old posts
ť ť ť just
ť ť ť ť so
ť ť ť ť ť ť you
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť ť will admit to doing what the entire board watched you do.
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť That's what I thought. You, of all people, need "proof" to
ť ť ť verify
ť ť ť ť ť ť things.
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť Here's your chance to prove your statements. If you can't,
ť ť why
ť ť ť ť ť should
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť anyone believe you?
ť ť ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť ť ť So what point are you trying to argue with me now? Is it the
ť ť point
ť ť ť ť ť that
ť ť ť ť ť ť Acell does work, or that you didn't hype it?
ť ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť ť My point is that I've said all along that Acell
ť ť may
ť ť ť ť ť work.ť
ť ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť ť ť I'm not going to play your games. I'm not going to post
ť pictures
ť ť ť of
ť ť ť ť my
ť ť ť ť ť ť head for you. I'm not going to post pictures of my passport
ť for
ť ť ť you.
ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť ť I'm
ť ť ť ť ť ť not going to wade through your posts or do jumping jacks or
ť ť ť anything
ť ť ť ť ť else
ť ť ť ť ť ť you ask of me. You don't have that control over me, and I'm
ť not
ť ť ť ť going
ť ť ť ť ť to
ť ť ť ť ť ť give it to you. The board knows that you're the one
ť responsible
ť ť ť for
ť ť ť ť ť the
ť ť ť ť ť ť Acell hysteria, and you know that you're the one responsible
ť for
ť ť ť the
ť ť ť ť ť Acell
ť ť ť ť ť ť hysteria. You got burned, and you took it personally. That's
ť ť your
ť ť ť ť ť ť problem, not mine, and I'm not going to let you make it mine.
ť ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť ť You just stated (today):
ť ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť ť No, you DO have to prove it works. You're asking me to prove a
ť ť ť ť negative.
ť ť ť ť ť That's a classic logic fallacy, and not how science works.
ť ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť ť What do I "know to be false"? That Acell works for hairloss? I
ť know
ť ť ť ť there
ť ť ť ť ť is NO empirical evidence to suggest it does. No anecdotal
ť evidence,
ť ť ť no
ť ť ť ť ť evidence from double-blind research studies. The fact that the
ť ť parent
ť ť ť ť ť company isn't funding any hairloss protocol trials says it all.
ť ť When
ť ť ť ť was
ť ť ť ť ť the last time a major pharma depended on phiscians - not
ť ť researchers
ť ť ť -
ť ť ť ť to
ť ť ť ť ť test their product for them? Their response has been, "couldn't
ť ť ť hurt!"
ť ť ť ť as
ť ť ť ť ť they handed it off to some HT docs on the recommendation of an
ť ť ť ť anonymous
ť ť ť ť ť nut from an obscure hairloss forum. The HT docs will declare it a
ť ť ť ť success
ť ť ť ť ť (without publication), then happily mark it up and sell it to
ť ť people
ť ť ť ť like
ť ť ť ť ť you who either don't understand the Scientific Method or don't
ť want
ť ť ť to
ť ť ť ť ť believe it.
ť ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť ť Acell was a figment of this board's - and mainly one poster's -
ť ť ť ť ť imagination. It may treat scars, but it doesn't grow hair.
ť ť But
ť ť ť ť ť believe what you want, you silly, desperate "man".
ť ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť ť With this statement, EVEN YOU concede that Acell may
ť ť treat
ť ť ť ť ť scars. You don't think that would be a huge step forward in the
ť HT
ť ť ť ť ť industry? Try telling some of the patients who are scarred up
ť from
ť ť ť bad
ť ť ť ť HT
ť ť ť ť ť procedures that it is not an improvement.
ť ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť ť I'm happy Acell is in the hands of the doctors.....I'll let them
ť ť take
ť ť ť ť it
ť ť ť ť ť from there. It may or may not regrow hair, but I'm glad they're
ť ť ť trying
ť ť ť ť it.
ť ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť Grasping. Desperation. Just give it up. You're starting to come
ť ť ť across
ť ť ť ť as unhinged.
ť ť ť
ť ť ť
ť ť ť Is that the same as saying, "I have no answer to that"?
ť ť
ť ť I'm with Willy here. If acell just can treat scars that s a big step
ť ť forward. and if thats the case, then willy made it. i dont know if its
ť ť theroetical possible that acell may give you more hair. but if there is
ť a
ť ť very little chance for it, then its worth trying.
ť ť double blind studies are nice, but they cost hell lots of money. if a
ť ť trustful ht-doctor shows in one case that it works and gives you more
ť hair,
ť ť then this DOES mean something. even without a double blind study. I'm
ť for
ť ť science and scientifical working, too, but we (and the ht-docs) dont
ť have
ť ť the money to make a double blind study.
ť ť but one case in which acell works (in giving more hair) would be a big
ť ť step forward. one case is something scientifical, too. its reality and
ť you
ť ť can tell it to other people, so its science (science is what you talk
ť about
ť ť reality or think about reality).
ť ť again, i dont know if acell can theoretical give more hair, but it
ť "feels"
ť ť better to have it tried, then not. i know you have a full head of hair,
ť ť fckhrls (and i believe you that, other than other board members). but
ť let
ť ť us, who dont have a full head of hair, try things to get a full head of
ť ť hair back.
ť
ť
ť Helpme......let me ask you one question. Would you come to a hairloss
ť forum on a regular basis if you had a "full head of hair"? Think about it.

i think he comes here coz he has his full head of hair coz of meds. he could lose it if the meds stop working. and he has to take the meds, so if something better comes a long he could benefit of it. i can understand why he comes here. probably coz he fears that he might lose his hair once in time.

im just trying something new to improve my hair (needling + revivogen + copper peptide) and i hope i can get a better head of hair by it. if not, i will do a ht like you. i dunno how much hair i can get by my new treatment or by a ht, maybe it wont be a full head of hair, but a better head of hair. i hope i can get to a point where it doesnt matter anymore to me that i once lost hair.

fckhrls is lucky somehow. he started meds early enough. i didnt. :-( so i need to try new things and hope for new discoveries.

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Willy

08.10.2008, 13:31

@ helpme007
You want me to prove a negative?

ť ť ť ť ť ť ť ť You made that statement today (only a short time ago). Do
ť you
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť understand
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť ť now?
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť No, I still don't see how a statement you made in response to
ť ť ť ť ť critiques
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť that had already been voiced by others is "proof" that you
ť ť didn't
ť ť ť ť ť hype
ť ť ť ť ť ť the
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť product.
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť ť By the way, that statement was made in July....when Acell
ť was
ť ť ť ť ť ť released
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť for
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť ť human use. If you can PROVE me wrong (by finding a post
ť ť where
ť ť ť I
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť guarantee
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť ť Acell's success).....go for it.....otherwise, shut up.
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť I'm not going to waste my time going through your old posts
ť ť just
ť ť ť so
ť ť ť ť ť you
ť ť ť ť ť ť ť will admit to doing what the entire board watched you do.
ť ť ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť ť ť That's what I thought. You, of all people, need "proof" to
ť ť verify
ť ť ť ť ť things.
ť ť ť ť ť ť Here's your chance to prove your statements. If you can't,
ť why
ť ť ť ť should
ť ť ť ť ť ť anyone believe you?
ť ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť ť So what point are you trying to argue with me now? Is it the
ť point
ť ť ť ť that
ť ť ť ť ť Acell does work, or that you didn't hype it?
ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť My point is that I've said all along that Acell
ť may
ť ť ť ť work.ť
ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť ť I'm not going to play your games. I'm not going to post pictures
ť ť of
ť ť ť my
ť ť ť ť ť head for you. I'm not going to post pictures of my passport for
ť ť you.
ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť I'm
ť ť ť ť ť not going to wade through your posts or do jumping jacks or
ť ť anything
ť ť ť ť else
ť ť ť ť ť you ask of me. You don't have that control over me, and I'm not
ť ť ť going
ť ť ť ť to
ť ť ť ť ť give it to you. The board knows that you're the one responsible
ť ť for
ť ť ť ť the
ť ť ť ť ť Acell hysteria, and you know that you're the one responsible for
ť ť the
ť ť ť ť Acell
ť ť ť ť ť hysteria. You got burned, and you took it personally. That's
ť your
ť ť ť ť ť problem, not mine, and I'm not going to let you make it mine.
ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť You just stated (today):
ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť No, you DO have to prove it works. You're asking me to prove a
ť ť ť negative.
ť ť ť ť That's a classic logic fallacy, and not how science works.
ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť What do I "know to be false"? That Acell works for hairloss? I know
ť ť ť there
ť ť ť ť is NO empirical evidence to suggest it does. No anecdotal evidence,
ť ť no
ť ť ť ť evidence from double-blind research studies. The fact that the
ť parent
ť ť ť ť company isn't funding any hairloss protocol trials says it all.
ť When
ť ť ť was
ť ť ť ť the last time a major pharma depended on phiscians - not
ť researchers
ť ť -
ť ť ť to
ť ť ť ť test their product for them? Their response has been, "couldn't
ť ť hurt!"
ť ť ť as
ť ť ť ť they handed it off to some HT docs on the recommendation of an
ť ť ť anonymous
ť ť ť ť nut from an obscure hairloss forum. The HT docs will declare it a
ť ť ť success
ť ť ť ť (without publication), then happily mark it up and sell it to
ť people
ť ť ť like
ť ť ť ť you who either don't understand the Scientific Method or don't want
ť ť to
ť ť ť ť believe it.
ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť Acell was a figment of this board's - and mainly one poster's -
ť ť ť ť imagination. It may treat scars, but it doesn't grow hair.
ť But
ť ť ť ť believe what you want, you silly, desperate "man".
ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť With this statement, EVEN YOU concede that Acell may
ť treat
ť ť ť ť scars. You don't think that would be a huge step forward in the HT
ť ť ť ť industry? Try telling some of the patients who are scarred up from
ť ť bad
ť ť ť HT
ť ť ť ť procedures that it is not an improvement.
ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť ť I'm happy Acell is in the hands of the doctors.....I'll let them
ť take
ť ť ť it
ť ť ť ť from there. It may or may not regrow hair, but I'm glad they're
ť ť trying
ť ť ť it.
ť ť ť ť
ť ť ť
ť ť ť Grasping. Desperation. Just give it up. You're starting to come
ť ť across
ť ť ť as unhinged.
ť ť
ť ť
ť ť Is that the same as saying, "I have no answer to that"?
ť
ť I'm with Willy here. If acell just can treat scars that s a big step
ť forward. and if thats the case, then willy made it. i dont know if its
ť theroetical possible that acell may give you more hair. but if there is a
ť very little chance for it, then its worth trying.
ť double blind studies are nice, but they cost hell lots of money. if a
ť trustful