AboutHair
27.04.2007, 21:05 |
Dr.Carl Bazan (Hair Transplant) |
I went to Dr. Carl Bazan for a hair transplant in 2004. Before the procedure was completed the anesthetic wore off and my head was in severe pain for about the last hour. Three girls worked on me and I asked them over and over to call for Dr. Bazan, but he never came. Dr. Bazan blamed the girls. I always gave him the benefit of the doubt because I like him and I was naive at that time. I became a lot wiser conserning Dr. Bazan when I went to him for a face lift last year. I was told that if I needed anything , to call. When I did, he would not return my call. I had some serious concerns about my procedure and tried to contact him for a week, but he ignored me. Even when I came to his clinic in person, he would not talk to me. I heard him in the room right behind me, talking about me, but he would not come out. Bazan puts on a good show at first, but later after he has your money and when you need him, he doesn't want to be bothered. I realize now that the girls that did my hair transplant were not at fault. Dr. Bazan was responsible to supervise the procedure, but he was unavailable. He reprimanded the girls until he made them cry. What could they say? He was their employer. What Dr.Bazan demonstrated to me was the sense of moral responsibility of a three year old boy. In my opinion, he's a poor excuse for a man, much less a doctor.
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ipod
27.04.2007, 21:12
(edited by ipod, 27.04.2007, 21:30)
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Dr.Carl Bazan |
This is what I don't understand. You had a bad experience with him the first time and you decided to go back to him anyway for a facelift ? If some bs doctor did me wrong the first time, i would run as fast as I could, you cant pay me enough to go back to the same doctor a 2nd time so that he can mess me up again.
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AboutHair
28.04.2007, 01:00
@ ipod
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Dr.Carl Bazan |
What you say is true, but hindsight is 20/20. I was naive because I liked him and I beleived in him. You forgive some things if you think at the time they are honest mistakes. Sometimes it takes a while to really know somebody. I won't be back again, I've learned my lesson now.
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johnp
New Jersey,
28.04.2007, 01:07
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Dr.Carl Bazan |
You never said a word about your hair transplant. What was the problem? Did the grafts not grow? Can you post pics?
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AboutHair
28.04.2007, 02:07
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Dr.Carl Bazan |
I try to make the post relevant and not too long. If I sent you a picture and my hair looked good would you go to the doctor even if he was a psycho? I wasn't unhappy with the way my hair looked. I've had a lot of experience with Dr. Bazan and the more experience I had with him, the more things went wrong. I had an S-lift done by him and he told me that he was saving the hairs from my beard so that he would transplant them to my scalp. He told me to be at his clinic at 8:00 in the morning. When I arrived I learned that he had left that morning on a flight to Utah and had no intention of being in the office. Furthermore he lied about transplanting the hairs because he never even saved them. He never had any explanation or apology or anything. He just acted like nothing happened. Furthermore, I already talked about in my first post how he ignored me when I had questions and needed help. Is that acceptable? Aren't there other doctors that can make your hair look good and still treat you with respect? To answer your question, my hair looks fine. I consider myself lucky that his nutty behaviour didn't lead to worse consecuences. I won't be back.
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johnp
New Jersey,
28.04.2007, 02:44
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Dr.Carl Bazan |
So you are happy with the transplant but you are not happy with the way he treated you. Well, count your blessings. At least your hair is fine. Many people paid a lot of money to get butchered. How many grafts did you have? Was that a strip or fue you had with him?
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topcat611
28.04.2007, 15:28
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Dr.Carl Bazan |
If you honestly read any of his post, you clearly see he is not dealing with a full deck. At least that has been my observation.
» I try to make the post relevant and not too long. If I sent you a picture
» and my hair looked good would you go to the doctor even if he was a
» psycho? I wasn't unhappy with the way my hair looked. I've had a lot of
» experience with Dr. Bazan and the more experience I had with him, the more
» things went wrong. I had an S-lift done by him and he told me that he was
» saving the hairs from my beard so that he would transplant them to my
» scalp. He told me to be at his clinic at 8:00 in the morning. When I
» arrived I learned that he had left that morning on a flight to Utah and
» had no intention of being in the office. Furthermore he lied about
» transplanting the hairs because he never even saved them. He never had any
» explanation or apology or anything. He just acted like nothing happened.
» Furthermore, I already talked about in my first post how he ignored me
» when I had questions and needed help. Is that acceptable? Aren't there
» other doctors that can make your hair look good and still treat you with
» respect? To answer your question, my hair looks fine. I consider myself
» lucky that his nutty behaviour didn't lead to worse consecuences. I won't
» be back.
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Redman77
28.04.2007, 20:20
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Dr.Carl Bazan |
"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
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AboutHair
28.04.2007, 20:34
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Dr.Carl Bazan |
So true John. I had about 1700 grafts and this was six months after I had 3000 grafts done by Dr. Robert Jones in Canada. My picture is on Bazan's website. I'm the first one, I guess the feature. I had a strip transplant in both cases although bazan falsely claims it as an FUE on the site.
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AboutHair
28.04.2007, 20:35
@ Redman77
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Dr.Carl Bazan |
I agree with you Redman, well said.
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stitchmeup
28.04.2007, 21:08
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Dr.Carl Bazan |
How many scars do you have? Two? One from Bazan and one from Jones or did Bazan took out the first scar for you ?
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AboutHair
28.04.2007, 23:25
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Dr.Carl Bazan |
All doctors do the same thing. They go over the older scar, so that you always have only one scar, no matter how many transplants you have done.
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AboutHair
29.04.2007, 01:34
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Dr.Carl Bazan |
It's not about hair, but if anyone's interested, I've posted some more comments about my experience with Dr. Bazan on the forum at facialplasticsurgery.net
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topcat611
29.04.2007, 03:37
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Dr.Carl Bazan |
» It's not about hair, but if anyone's interested, I've posted some more
» comments about my experience with Dr. Bazan on the forum at
» facialplasticsurgery.net
BTW my post was not clear. I meant to say Dr. Bazan does not seem to be dealing with a full deck, at least judging from some of his prior postings.
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Mr. Frodo
29.04.2007, 03:38
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You are not the first |
Does this sound familiar ?
http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=12&topic_id=28412&mode=full
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James Bond
29.04.2007, 15:25
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You are not the first |
» Does this sound familiar ?
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» http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=12&topic_id=28412&mode=full
LOL, that report sounds pretty good until you look at the photos that the patient posted of Bazan's work. As it turns out, the patient's hair looks better than mine did before I started to lose it! Perhaps his result wasn't perfect, but it appears to be 99.8% perfect.
Interestingly, I see a post above this one with another young guy with great hair that is upset because HT didn't return his hair to a state of absolute perfection. At some point, as bad as some of these doctors start to sound, you have to start to question whether the patients are being even half-assed realistic or not. More importantly, doctors should know better than to dramatically lower hairlines on young patients who are just starting to bald, so when these patients freak out because their result is only 99.8% perfect and write 100+ page attacks, the doctors really do get what they deserve IMO.
This is not an attack on the poster of the facial surgery above though. I haven't seen his outcome, and for all I know it is legitmately bad. I am just saying that without pictures, I have no way of knowing if this is just another poster who expected to look like a teenager again and instead ended up looking like an old guy with a face-lift, or if the work performed was legitimately outside the range of what can be considered professional.
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johnp
New Jersey,
29.04.2007, 17:13
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Can't find your pics |
Can someone post Dr. Bazan's website? I can't find the pics.
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marco
U.K,
29.04.2007, 18:25
(edited by marco, 29.04.2007, 19:29)
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Dr.Carl Bazan |
Your comments are not dissimilar to several posted about this surgeon.
He is unusual in that he has made numerous claim about revolutionary treatments in hair transplantation as well as cosmetic surgery.
these include claims about aptos threads / experience with hair cloning / research at his institute / person to person transplantation all of which are at odds with current wisdom and have not been supported by science or results.
The comment about "not dealing from the complete deck" seems pretty apt to me.
All in all it seems you did not have terrible damage done by any criteria though. Good luck and move on.
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AboutHair
29.04.2007, 21:12
@ Mr. Frodo
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You are not the first |
Good point. Thank you. I did read that report, a little bit late, but it helped me clarify some things. I realized reading this report that he hasn't changed.
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AboutHair
29.04.2007, 21:44
@ James Bond
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You are not the first |
You have a good point there James. I'd like to clarify what I actually said. I never said that the results were less than what I expected. I said that I experienced NO IMPROVEMENT WHATSOEVER. This opinion is unanimous among all of my friends and family members. This includes my Mother, Father, Daughter, Sister, Girlfriend and several close friends including somethat have known me for 30 years. Among those that noticed even a slight improvement there are none. Even Dr. Bazan agreed. I sent him four pictures of myself taken at different angles, four months after the procedure. He said that I looked even worse than before. I don't necessarily think that I look worse, just no different. I'm 47 years old. I'm not 85, where it may be too late or 30 years old and expecting something unrealistic. I'm a prime candidate for this. Furthermore, how can you have different unrelated procedures and see no improvement in any of them. For example, I might have seen 50% improvement in the neck but only 10% in the eyes. This would have made more sense. I can't help beleive that he didn't know what he was doing. He told me afterwards, "I don't understand it" Sure, he doesn't understand it. That part, I beleive. Again, the improvement is absolutely ZERO, NONE period. Would you want to pay three thousand dollars and go through pain for that?
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AboutHair
29.04.2007, 21:45
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Can't find your pics |
John, Dr. Bazan's website is itzan.com
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AboutHair
29.04.2007, 21:51
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Dr.Carl Bazan |
Macro, I appreciate your understanding and support. You are very right and I do realize that things could have been worse. I just felt that I needed to share my experience and then I am moving on. Thanks.
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AboutHair
29.04.2007, 22:11
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Dr.Carl Bazan |
Thank you TopCat
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James Bond
30.04.2007, 00:32
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You are not the first |
» Would
» you want to pay three thousand dollars and go through pain for that?
Absolutely not. But you must understand that I am extremely weary of cosmetic surgery procedures. I have seen examples of complete nightmares take place where people's lives have been forever ruined. Movie stars can afford to get the best surgeons on the planet, yet I have seen many cases where they emerge looking like freaks. Cosmetic surgeries are a crap shoot, and I have to be perfectly honest, I would not let anybody cut my face unless I knew that person very well and had seen numerous other patients who had the exact same procedure that I was about to get. If that means I will never get a face lift etc, so be it.
IMO, it is a dirty unregulated business that offers absolutely no guarantees on the outcomes. The doctors expect you to pay even if they turn you into a circus freak. The science behind all of this stuff is way too archaic for me to desire to partake. I hold out high hopes for the future of cosmetic surgery, including wrinkle reduction, skin rejuvination, hair restoration, etc. But IMO, the time is just not right to be jumping in and getting these procedures. I know that sounds bad, but it is the way I feel.
My sister went and got a facelift. I don't think she needed it at all. Myself, her husband, her daughters et al cannot see any discernable difference in the before and after, but she swears up and down that she looks years younger. Cosmetic surgery has no allure for me right now. I hope to heck it gets good enough in the future to catch my eye though. At-the-moment, the only thing that even remotely interests me is hair multiplication. And there is no guarantee that it will turn out to be worthwhile.
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FIT2Btied
30.04.2007, 11:23
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Dr.Carl Bazan |
» All doctors do the same thing. They go over the older scar, so that you
» always have only one scar, no matter how many transplants you have done.
Not necessarily true. We have seen MANY patients over the years with "racing stripes" or "zebra stripes" up and down the back and sides of their heads. It is easier for the doctors to just pull a new strip with good density, than to muck around with taking out the old scar, and dealing with the scarred area's lack of density.
I think this is an awful thing to do, but it's out there. It usually goes along with something like this: "don't worry, it will just be a fine white line, like a pencil point, after a while even your hair dresser won't be abel to find it".
So don't think that all docs are going to take the old one out with the new one.
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FIT2Btied
30.04.2007, 11:38
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You are not the first |
» Would
» you want to pay three thousand dollars and go through pain for that?
I am surprised (unless I am not understanding you), that you paid only $3,000 for a full face lift. Most high level plastic surgeons charge more along the lines of $12,000-20,000 for a face-lift.
I guess one gets what one pays for.
Also, although this is a HAIR forum, anyone who is interested in facial rejuvination procedures really needs to explore modern (not old 80's and 90's style) fat-grafting. Volume loss is the key to aging, and stretching the skin over a skelotonized face does not return it to its youthful appearance.
Sydney Coleman is the acnowledged guru of meticulously done fat-grafting (Lipostructure); it appears that the stem calls in the the specially processed fat aspirates may last forever, as they are integrated into the tissues over which they are injected (muscle, periosteum/bone, connective tissue).
This stuff is really exciting, and very expensive. Coleman himself has a number of 10 to 15 year follow-ups that often continue to improve for the first 3 to 5 YEARS. His clinic is in Tribeca, in NYC. The whole concept of volume replacement rather than tightening skin will, I think, revolutionize facial and other cosmetic surgery.
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damon
01.05.2007, 06:10
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You are not the first |
You have friends,family a GIRLFRIEND !!!!!!!
Some people are butchered beyond repair & have lost more then thousands of dollars.Be thankful.
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Dens1
01.05.2007, 18:45
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Dr.Carl Bazan |
Dr Bazan certainly is one of the doctors patients should avoid. There have been numerous unhappy patients of his on the boards.
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AboutHair
04.05.2007, 22:56
@ FIT2Btied
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Dr.Carl Bazan |
» » All doctors do the same thing. They go over the older scar, so that you
» » always have only one scar, no matter how many transplants you have
» done.
»
»
» Not necessarily true. We have seen MANY patients over the years with
» "racing stripes" or "zebra stripes" up and down the back and sides of
» their heads. It is easier for the doctors to just pull a new strip with
» good density, than to muck around with taking out the old scar, and
» dealing with the scarred area's lack of density.
» I think this is an awful thing to do, but it's out there. It usually goes
» along with something like this: "don't worry, it will just be a fine white
» line, like a pencil point, after a while even your hair dresser won't be
» abel to find it".
» So don't think that all docs are going to take the old one out with the
» new one.
That's a good point. I guess you can never really say that ALL doctors do anything. I wasn't aware of any doctors doing that, but now that you say it, I can see that happening. I would say that it would be a good idea to ask and if the doctor says that he doesn't go over the old scar, go elsewhere. I'd say that if he's that unconcerned with the quality of his work, the rest of the procedure would likely be compromised as well. It's not necessary to have more than one scar.
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AboutHair
04.05.2007, 23:48
@ damon
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You are not the first |
» You have friends,family a GIRLFRIEND !!!!!!!
» Some people are butchered beyond repair & have lost more then thousands of
» dollars.Be thankful.
It's irrelevant whether I have a girlfriend or not. The purpose of my posts are to share information about a doctor that should be avoided.
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