chanyouzhe
04.09.2009, 02:50 |
Dr.Armani 3117 grafts 8 months (Hair Transplant) |
Dr.Armani 3117 grafts 8 months
is this situation normal??i am afraid~~
i did the procedure with dr armani in dubai in 18.12.08,but 8 months have passed~~my hair is thinner than before,i think there must be something wrong happened,but dr armani dont explain to me any,i am very confused now. is it normal??i need your opinion!!
time: 18.12.08 the day doing the procedure
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time:12.05.09(5 months)
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time:11.06.09(6 months)
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time:20.07.09(7 months)
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time:27.08.09(8 months)
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marco
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04.09.2009, 03:04
@ chanyouzhe
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We often get armani reps opinion on the better results. I hope he is able to comment here........
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chanyouzhe
04.09.2009, 03:14
@ marco
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» We often get armani reps opinion on the better results. I hope he is able
» to comment here........
i dont know why??the result is very~~~~i dont know how to express my feelings~~i wish everything is ok~~but now is so no normal~~near 9 month~~
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Sceptic
04.09.2009, 07:42
@ chanyouzhe
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Dr.Armani 3117 grafts 8 months |
» i did the procedure with dr armani in dubai in 18.12.08,but 8 months have
» passed~~my hair is thinner than before,i think there must be something
» wrong happened,but dr armani dont explain to me any,i am very confused now.
» is it normal??i need your opinion!!
Yes indeed, not normal at all, post it on the HT forum
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krapok
04.09.2009, 10:48
@ chanyouzhe
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» » We often get armani reps opinion on the better results. I hope he is
» able
» » to comment here........
»
» i dont know why??the result is very~~~~i dont know how to express my
» feelings~~i wish everything is ok~~but now is so no normal~~near 9 month~~
********
Very poor results and no growth at all? :S To me seems like you have even lost more hair at the top of your head  How can be this possible to get so bad results from "so good (pushed up) clinic"? With 3100 grafts you should have zones 1, 2 completely filled i think! :S Wasted grafts and wasted lot of money. I'm really sorry to see your bad results.
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04.09.2009, 13:10
@ chanyouzhe
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chanyouzhe,
Can you please contact eric@alviarmani.com so that Armani's staff can assist you further. I don't think they can locate your file and details of your procedure just by looking at your pictures. Once they have verified your patient records and identity, I am sure they can help you.
I just sent you an email too.
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Pats205
04.09.2009, 13:23
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Hello chanyouzhe,
My name is Eric and I work in Patient Care for the Alvi Armani clinic. You can email me at eric@alviarmani.com and I will be happy to discuss your progress with you once I have verified your identiy and located your patient file.
- Eric
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Truthtales
04.09.2009, 14:13
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Maybe thats why he added the date and place of the surgery along with his pics and not his name.He thought it would help you locate his file and id him without further details.
good luck man wish you the best
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vivace67
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04.09.2009, 15:21
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it looks like your existing hair has thinned out more...did you experience more hair loss after the HT?
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cal
04.09.2009, 19:41
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» it looks like your existing hair has thinned out more...did you experience
» more hair loss after the HT?
Yeah, but 3000 grafts should still look like more than that by 8 months. Even if it was 3000 grafts done onto slick-bald skin.
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chanyouzhe
05.09.2009, 07:56
@ cal
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» » it looks like your existing hair has thinned out more...did you
» experience
» » more hair loss after the HT?
»
»
» Yeah, but 3000 grafts should still look like more than that by 8 months.
» Even if it was 3000 grafts done onto slick-bald skin.
yes,as you see ,my situation is worse than before.so i am very very confused,i dont know why?haveing someting wrong in incision??so much blood scar on my head.it is not normal i think
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rooster
05.09.2009, 13:46
@ chanyouzhe
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Don't give up hope, you could be a late bloomer. I had hair grow after 10 - 12 month mark. I certainly hope that is the case. Best of luck!
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chanyouzhe
06.09.2009, 04:13
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» Don't give up hope, you could be a late bloomer. I had hair grow after 10 -
» 12 month mark. I certainly hope that is the case. Best of luck!
thank you good guy!i love what you said,thai is all my hope~~god bless me,please send your photos as a late bloomer.my email is linwei11.student@sina.com,i need confidence
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wherediditgo
06.09.2009, 05:39
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» Maybe thats why he added the date and place of the surgery along with his
» pics and not his name.He thought it would help you locate his file and id
» him without further details.
»
» good luck man wish you the best
You're a riot. I understand Armani is an east target, but c'mon. The guy came in here to get information/opinions from us, not Eric or Armani, even though he was forwarded/recommended to talk to Aramani. If he wanted information from Armani, he would have contacted them directly, or he would have complained about their lack of service, which he hasn't.
While I may not agree with Armani's use of hair, I do think they have a top-notch customer care service, as it's quite evident with Eric trying to answer questions.. although sometimes vaguely.
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mj2003
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08.09.2009, 00:05
@ chanyouzhe
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chanyouzhe, thanks for coming forward with your experience. my heart really goes out to you. i'm glad u have done it as professional as you can without throwing accusations or showing any temperment, because that would have just gave the mod an excuse to delete your post.
keep your kool and wait for answers from the clinic as well as opinions from us on the forums. we're not dumb and can read inbetween the lines. i am SO interested in what the reason for this growth is. I further hope that an outside professional such as Dr. Woods can comment on this.
I just have 2 questions.
1) are you taking any hair loss medications?
2) do u suffer from any illness/disease?
If none of the above apply, i can only "guess" that this MAY be a case of shockloss. not sure if the other members here would agree with me though. shockloss is very debatable. some surgeons say it can be permanent and some say it's not permanent. again, the opinion of an outside professional who has no interest in you would be very helpful and very much appreciated by not only you but us as well. we all hope things turn out well for u.
» Dr.Armani 3117 grafts 8 months
» is this situation normal??i am afraid~~
»
» i did the procedure with dr armani in dubai in 18.12.08,but 8 months have
» passed~~my hair is thinner than before,i think there must be something
» wrong happened,but dr armani dont explain to me any,i am very confused now.
» is it normal??i need your opinion!!
» time: 18.12.08 the day doing the procedure
» http://b0.ac-images.cdnmyspace...ace8974b7747363f.jpg
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» time:25.08.08
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» time:26.12.08
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» time:12.05.09(5 months)
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» time:11.06.09(6 months)
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» time:20.07.09(7 months)
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» time:27.08.09(8 months)
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chanyouzhe
08.09.2009, 08:05
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thank you good man~~i hope the thing will become good for me. i very hope that i just a slow grower.i have no choice to this.i have a question.what is your opinion for my blood scar.you can see the photo i post.i think too much.what do you think about it?
1.i am take minoxidil 1 time daily
2.i dont suffer from any illness or disease.
» chanyouzhe, thanks for coming forward with your experience. my heart really
» goes out to you. i'm glad u have done it as professional as you can without
» throwing accusations or showing any temperment, because that would have
» just gave the mod an excuse to delete your post.
»
» keep your kool and wait for answers from the clinic as well as opinions
» from us on the forums. we're not dumb and can read inbetween the lines. i
» am SO interested in what the reason for this growth is. I further hope that
» an outside professional such as Dr. Woods can comment on this.
»
» I just have 2 questions.
»
» 1) are you taking any hair loss medications?
» 2) do u suffer from any illness/disease?
»
» If none of the above apply, i can only "guess" that this MAY be a case of
» shockloss. not sure if the other members here would agree with me though.
» shockloss is very debatable. some surgeons say it can be permanent and some
» say it's not permanent. again, the opinion of an outside professional who
» has no interest in you would be very helpful and very much appreciated by
» not only you but us as well. we all hope things turn out well for u.
»
» » Dr.Armani 3117 grafts 8 months
» » is this situation normal??i am afraid~~
» »
» » i did the procedure with dr armani in dubai in 18.12.08,but 8 months
» have
» » passed~~my hair is thinner than before,i think there must be something
» » wrong happened,but dr armani dont explain to me any,i am very confused
» now.
» » is it normal??i need your opinion!!
» » time: 18.12.08 the day doing the procedure
» »
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» » time:22.12.08
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» » time:26.12.08
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» » time:12.05.09(5 months)
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» » time:11.06.09(6 months)
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» » time:20.07.09(7 months)
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» » time:27.08.09(8 months)
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Pats205
08.09.2009, 16:07
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Chanyouzhe, It is important to remember that at 8 months you are right in the middle of the growth period and still have many more months of new growth and thickening to come.
Typically the final result is seen 18 months out from a procedure. Everyone will grow at different rates so please do not get discouraged. You still have plenty of time.
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krapok
09.09.2009, 01:43
@ Pats205
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» Chanyouzhe, It is important to remember that at 8 months you are right in
» the middle of the growth period and still have many more months of new
» growth and thickening to come.
»
» Typically the final result is seen 18 months out from a procedure.
» Everyone will grow at different rates so please do not get discouraged. You
» still have plenty of time.
Pats205 - have you really seen someone who was in similar situation with this guy? And how it turned out finally? All what i have seen and read is that hair should start to sprout out from skin about 3 months after HT. Now is passed almost 2x more time and no growth at all! To me seems he even have lost more hair after HT. Really hard to believe in this case that he is going to have full head of hair. He's hairline (zones 1,2) should be completely filled using 3117 grafts which is about 5000-6000 new hair. I really wanna hope his results turn out well finally but at the same time it's hard to believe that something goes better there.
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Pats205
09.09.2009, 11:16
@ krapok
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» Pats205 - have you really seen someone who was in similar situation with
» this guy? And how it turned out finally? All what i have seen and read is
» that hair should start to sprout out from skin about 3 months after HT. Now
» is passed almost 2x more time and no growth at all! To me seems he even
» have lost more hair after HT. Really hard to believe in this case that he
» is going to have full head of hair. He's hairline (zones 1,2) should be
» completely filled using 3117 grafts which is about 5000-6000 new hair. I
» really wanna hope his results turn out well finally but at the same time
» it's hard to believe that something goes better there.
It does appear the patient has lost more hair behind the transplanted area. We only transplanted into zones 1 and 2, but it appears the patient is loosing hair in zones 3 and 4 where we did not implant as well.
Yes Krapok, I have seen where individuals have had late growth that did not really kick in until the 7-9 month period. Some are late bloomers but their results turned out just fine.
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nwone
09.09.2009, 12:44
@ Pats205
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» Chanyouzhe, It is important to remember that at 8 months you are right in
» the middle of the growth period and still have many more months of new
» growth and thickening to come.
»
» Typically the final result is seen 18 months out from a procedure.
» Everyone will grow at different rates so please do not get discouraged. You
» still have plenty of time.
Is this a patient or not?
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DanUk
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10.09.2009, 08:17
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I think the thing that is being overlooked here is the fact that the full result of a procedure should not be judged until 18 months after the date of the transplant purely because everyone is different when it comes to growth.
I have also seen patients who have not responded very well until the late stages of growth - 12 months onwards.
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cal
10.09.2009, 17:37
@ DanUk
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Dr.Armani's patient or not? |
» I think the thing that is being overlooked here is the fact that the full
» result of a procedure should not be judged until 18 months after the date
» of the transplant purely because everyone is different when it comes to
» growth.
» I have also seen patients who have not responded very well until the late
» stages of growth - 12 months onwards.
If you wanna get to the limit then we could say we shouldn't judge a HT for full thickness for 24 months.
But 12 months is enough to judge graft survival IMO.
If a graft hasn't produced a hair shaft at 12 months, not even a thin little shaft that has shed once again already . . . then I wouldn't bet on it ever producing hair in the future.
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Keepitshorter
10.09.2009, 20:04
@ rooster
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» Don't give up hope, you could be a late bloomer. I had hair grow after 10 -
» 12 month mark. I certainly hope that is the case. Best of luck!
BS BS BS BS BS BS LIE LIE LIE LIE.
What you see is what you get by the 8th month mark and many times by the 6th month mark.
Prove me wrong and show me specific and explicit examples of patients who at 6-8 months had very little or no growth and then in months thereafter "bloomed" out remarkably.
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Keepitshorter
10.09.2009, 20:07
@ Pats205
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Dr.Armani 3117 grafts 8 months |
» Chanyouzhe, It is important to remember that at 8 months you are right in
» the middle of the growth period and still have many more months of new
» growth and thickening to come.
»
» Typically the final result is seen 18 months out from a procedure.
» Everyone will grow at different rates so please do not get discouraged. You
» still have plenty of time.
BS!
Show the forum examples of patients who at 6-8 months had little or no growth and then in the months following "bloomed" out noticably more than they were at the 6-8 month mark.
If this is the case in many instances then you will have many patients profiles and photos where this is the case.
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Keepitshorter
10.09.2009, 20:08
@ DanUk
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Dr.Armani's patient or not? |
» I think the thing that is being overlooked here is the fact that the full
» result of a procedure should not be judged until 18 months after the date
» of the transplant purely because everyone is different when it comes to
» growth.
» I have also seen patients who have not responded very well until the late
» stages of growth - 12 months onwards.
"» I have also seen patients who have not responded very well until the late
» stages of growth - 12 months onwards."
Show them.
We're all anxiously awaiting.
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Pats205
11.09.2009, 11:08
@ Keepitshorter
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Dr.Armani 3117 grafts 8 months |
»
» What you see is what you get by the 8th month mark and many times by the
» 6th month mark.
»
Any Hair Transplant doctor will tell you that you are not at 100% growth at 8 months as you suggest. The reality is that it does take 1 ½ years+ for most patients to see the final result.
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Keepitshorter
11.09.2009, 14:33
@ Pats205
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Dr.Armani 3117 grafts 8 months |
» »
»
» Any Hair Transplant doctor will tell you that you are not at 100% growth
» at 8 months as you suggest. The reality is that it does take 1 ½ years+ for
» most patients to see the final result.
If that's the reality then you will have no problem whatsoever showing the forum numerous photo examples of dramatic differences in growth and coverage at the 8-12 month or more point versus the 6th month point.
Surely, since this is the norm, you have plenty of examples stored in your shill folder.
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Truthtales
11.09.2009, 20:17
@ Pats205
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Dr.Armani 3117 grafts 8 months |
» It does appear the patient has lost more hair behind the transplanted
» area. We only transplanted into zones 1 and 2, but it appears the patient
» is loosing hair in zones 3 and 4 where we did not implant as well.
»
I dont get it,you say that he lost his hair in areas that were not transplanted?What do you imply that coincidentally after the procedure his mpb got so agressive that he lost all his hair in months???
Seems like a big coincidence to me that someone got a procedure and in 8 months he lost all his native hair, also i ve never seen anyone with normal MPB loosing everything in months.What if Woods is right when he mentioned scalp shock and permanent destruction on another thread,can this be because too many grafts were transplanted on a guy with so many native hair?Can it be this scalp shock?Will the hair come back or this is permanent?
What is going on here?
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cal
11.09.2009, 22:23
@ Truthtales
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Dr.Armani 3117 grafts 8 months |
I'm just wondering whether we will get a follow-up post at 12 months or not.
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James Bond
12.09.2009, 02:12
@ chanyouzhe
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Dense Packing |
» Dr.Armani 3117 grafts 8 months
» is this situation normal??i am afraid~~
This looks like it could be the result of dense packing, which is IMO a very questionable practice. However, at 8 months out, there is still a chance the hair will grow back.
BTW, shockloss can be permanent, but it is not always the case. I know of a very well-known HT surgeon who gave up dense packing and went to a conservative approach, because of the shockloss being experience by a minority of his patients. There's less profit in it, but it's easier for him to sleep at night.
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James Bond
12.09.2009, 02:20
@ James Bond
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Dense Packing |
But please keep up your spirits. Sometimes the hair takes longer than average to recover from trauma, and you end up getting it all back.
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Tequilla
12.09.2009, 05:46
@ Keepitshorter
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Dr.Armani 3117 grafts 8 months |
» » »
» »
» » Any Hair Transplant doctor will tell you that you are not at 100%
» growth
» » at 8 months as you suggest. The reality is that it does take 1 ½ years+
» for
» » most patients to see the final result.
»
»
» If that's the reality then you will have no problem whatsoever showing the
» forum numerous photo examples of dramatic differences in growth and
» coverage at the 8-12 month or more point versus the 6th month point.
»
» Surely, since this is the norm, you have plenty of examples stored in your
» shill folder.
I would love to see these photos, too!!!
In all honesty this looks like permanent shockloss and I havent seen one single case that had that little growth at 8 months and a full head of hair at 12 or 15 months.
All the talk "wait till 18 months or even longer" is a joke if you ask me!!
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Duck
16.09.2009, 21:46
@ Keepitshorter
|
Dr.Armani 3117 grafts 8 months |
http://www.wolfhair.com/graft-growth-timeline.htm
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gabrielf81
NJ,
18.09.2009, 17:13
@ chanyouzhe
|
Dr.Armani 3117 grafts 8 months |
Hi Chan,
How's it going? I find it very surprising and hard to believe that the doctor didn't explain that to you. I had a procedure with Dr. Armani in May of 2008 and they made sure they went over every little detail of the entire procedure and aftermath. Not only did they verbally explain that my existing hair may fall out due to shock and that it would take several months to see results, they had it all in writing and I had to sign to verify that I understood this.
No offense, but did you listen to what they told you and did you read the literature they handed out? I was not surprised when my existing hair fell out and I did not have unrealistic expectations thanks to the Dr. and the reps. I'm a little confused by your post as you seem completely surprised by this.
Gabriel
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gabrielf81
NJ,
18.09.2009, 17:19
@ Keepitshorter
|
Dr.Armani's patient or not? |
Keepitshorter,
I think you have to remember that hair takes time to grow. Just like with babies, sometimes baby's don't grow hair until after 1 year of age (my daughter). It doesn't mean she won't, just that her hair has taken longer to grow out. I think the same is true for transplanted hair since it is treated like newly grown hair.
Gabriel
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slashed
19.09.2009, 10:01
@ James Bond
|
Dense Packing |
» BTW, shockloss can be permanent, but it is not always the case. I know of
» a very well-known HT surgeon who gave up dense packing and went to a
» conservative approach, because of the shockloss being experience by a
» minority of his patients. There's less profit in it, but it's easier for
» him to sleep at night.
Can you name the doctor? thanks
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krapok
20.09.2009, 17:33
@ gabrielf81
|
Dr.Armani 3117 grafts 8 months |
Gabriel - wouldn't you be mad several months after HT where you wasted thousands of dollars + invaluable donor hair (3117 grafts is huge amount of donor hair) and your results after 8 months looks even worse? I don't know exactly what this guy feels at the moment but i believe this situation is really really really hard for him. Would be great if docs care more about people feelings not only about the big $$$ what patients can bring them.
btw. chanyouzhe how are you? any news?
» Hi Chan,
»
» How's it going? I find it very surprising and hard to believe that the
» doctor didn't explain that to you. I had a procedure with Dr. Armani in May
» of 2008 and they made sure they went over every little detail of the entire
» procedure and aftermath. Not only did they verbally explain that my
» existing hair may fall out due to shock and that it would take several
» months to see results, they had it all in writing and I had to sign to
» verify that I understood this.
»
» No offense, but did you listen to what they told you and did you read the
» literature they handed out? I was not surprised when my existing hair fell
» out and I did not have unrealistic expectations thanks to the Dr. and the
» reps. I'm a little confused by your post as you seem completely surprised
» by this.
»
» Gabriel
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Truthtales
21.09.2009, 10:11
@ krapok
|
Dr.Armani 3117 grafts 8 months |
» Gabriel - wouldn't you be mad several months after HT where you wasted
» thousands of dollars + invaluable donor hair (3117 grafts is huge amount of
» donor hair) and your results after 8 months looks even worse? I don't know
» exactly what this guy feels at the moment but i believe this situation is
» really really really hard for him. Would be great if docs care more about
» people feelings not only about the big $$$ what patients can bring them.
»
» btw. chanyouzhe how are you? any news?
»
»
»
»
» » Hi Chan,
» »
» » How's it going? I find it very surprising and hard to believe that the
» » doctor didn't explain that to you. I had a procedure with Dr. Armani in
» May
» » of 2008 and they made sure they went over every little detail of the
» entire
» » procedure and aftermath. Not only did they verbally explain that my
» » existing hair may fall out due to shock and that it would take several
» » months to see results, they had it all in writing and I had to sign to
» » verify that I understood this.
» »
» » No offense, but did you listen to what they told you and did you read
» the
» » literature they handed out? I was not surprised when my existing hair
» fell
» » out and I did not have unrealistic expectations thanks to the Dr. and
» the
» » reps. I'm a little confused by your post as you seem completely
» surprised
» » by this.
» »
» » Gabriel
Yeah propably according to gabriel this is the patients fault  . I suggest if the doctors explains everything so well to the patients and they dont understand it maybe from now on they can show prospective patients the before and after pictures of chanyouzhe so that they can have visual aid in understanding what might happen.
I see many holes in the doctors office walls from people running away as fast as they can 
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g35nightrider
Washington, DC,
23.09.2009, 16:35
@ Truthtales
|
Dr.Armani 3117 grafts 8 months |
Ok, after reading all your posts, I completely understand what you're going through. It seems that you got a very similar procedure to what I had and at 8 months the hair is definitely still growing. I had my procedure with Armani, and I was worried/anxious at first but the density increased and looked a lot better. You have a long ways to go, and the result is going to be much better. Keep in mind they went from 0 hair in zone 1 to a brand new hairline. I think you're making some good progress. You might be going through some shockloss, but I think it will come back for you. Wish you the best, you're in good hands, I wouldn't worry...
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g35nightrider
Washington, DC,
23.09.2009, 16:47
@ g35nightrider
|
Dr.Armani 3117 grafts 8 months |
» Ok, after reading all your posts, I completely understand what you're going
» through. It seems that you got a very similar procedure to what I had and
» at 8 months the hair is definitely still growing. I had my procedure with
» Armani, and I was worried/anxious at first but the density increased and
» looked a lot better. You have a long ways to go, and the result is going to
» be much better. Keep in mind they went from 0 hair in zone 1 to a brand new
» hairline. I think you're making some good progress. You might be going
» through some shockloss, but I think it will come back for you. Wish you the
» best, you're in good hands, I wouldn't worry.
See my results, I posted a good recurring journal...
http://armaniht.blogspot.com
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chanyouzhe
24.09.2009, 03:32
@ krapok
|
Dr.Armani 3117 grafts 8 months |
![[image]](img/uploaded/2630_image8.jpg) these are 9 months photos ,no changeGabriel - wouldn't you be mad several months after HT where you wasted
» thousands of dollars + invaluable donor hair (3117 grafts is huge amount of
» donor hair) and your results after 8 months looks even worse? I don't know
» exactly what this guy feels at the moment but i believe this situation is
» really really really hard for him. Would be great if docs care more about
» people feelings not only about the big $$$ what patients can bring them.
»
» btw. chanyouzhe how are you? any news?
»
»
»
»
» » Hi Chan,
» »
» » How's it going? I find it very surprising and hard to believe that the
» » doctor didn't explain that to you. I had a procedure with Dr. Armani in
» May
» » of 2008 and they made sure they went over every little detail of the
» entire
» » procedure and aftermath. Not only did they verbally explain that my
» » existing hair may fall out due to shock and that it would take several
» » months to see results, they had it all in writing and I had to sign to
» » verify that I understood this.
» »
» » No offense, but did you listen to what they told you and did you read
» the
» » literature they handed out? I was not surprised when my existing hair
» fell
» » out and I did not have unrealistic expectations thanks to the Dr. and
» the
» » reps. I'm a little confused by your post as you seem completely
» surprised
» » by this.
» »
» » Gabriel
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|
chanyouzhe
24.09.2009, 03:37
@ Pats205
|
Dr.Armani 3117 grafts 8 months |
![[image]](img/uploaded/2630_image7.jpg) » Chanyouzhe, It is important to remember that at 8 months you are right in
» the middle of the growth period and still have many more months of new
» growth and thickening to come.
»
» Typically the final result is seen 18 months out from a procedure.
» Everyone will grow at different rates so please do not get discouraged. You
» still have plenty of time.
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|
chanyouzhe
24.09.2009, 03:39
@ krapok
|
Dr.Armani 3117 grafts 8 months |
![[image]](img/uploaded/2630_image9.jpg) » Gabriel - wouldn't you be mad several months after HT where you wasted
» thousands of dollars + invaluable donor hair (3117 grafts is huge amount of
» donor hair) and your results after 8 months looks even worse? I don't know
» exactly what this guy feels at the moment but i believe this situation is
» really really really hard for him. Would be great if docs care more about
» people feelings not only about the big $$$ what patients can bring them.
»
» btw. chanyouzhe how are you? any news?
»
»
»
»
» » Hi Chan,
» »
» » How's it going? I find it very surprising and hard to believe that the
» » doctor didn't explain that to you. I had a procedure with Dr. Armani in
» May
» » of 2008 and they made sure they went over every little detail of the
» entire
» » procedure and aftermath. Not only did they verbally explain that my
» » existing hair may fall out due to shock and that it would take several
» » months to see results, they had it all in writing and I had to sign to
» » verify that I understood this.
» »
» » No offense, but did you listen to what they told you and did you read
» the
» » literature they handed out? I was not surprised when my existing hair
» fell
» » out and I did not have unrealistic expectations thanks to the Dr. and
» the
» » reps. I'm a little confused by your post as you seem completely
» surprised
» » by this.
» »
» » Gabriel
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|
Pats205
24.09.2009, 13:27
@ chanyouzhe
|
Dr.Armani 3117 grafts 8 months |
Chanyouzhe,
I am sorry you feel the result is not to your expectation and it will be our role to ensure you reach a level inline with this expectation. It does occur on a very rare occasion that a result is not 100% perfect and in these instances we work with the patient to find a positive solution.
Since voicing your disatisfaction we have emailed you many times to start to resolve the situation, we have also asked that you remain patient for a little longer so we can assess the 12 month result and then provide you with a solution. We always stand by out patients .
Please work with me to resolve this and allow us the opportunity to offer you the result which you should expect from our work. I am doing my very best and everything in my power to provide you with a level of service that you should expect
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2guard2
25.09.2009, 21:35
@ Pats205
|
Dr.Armani 3117 grafts 8 months |
» Chanyouzhe,
»
» I am sorry you feel the result is not to your expectation and it will be
» our role to ensure you reach a level inline with this expectation. It does
» occur on a very rare occasion that a result is not 100% perfect and in
» these instances we work with the patient to find a positive solution.
»
» Since voicing your disatisfaction we have emailed you many times to start
» to resolve the situation, we have also asked that you remain patient for a
» little longer so we can assess the 12 month result and then provide you
» with a solution. We always stand by out patients .
»
» Please work with me to resolve this and allow us the opportunity to offer
» you the result which you should expect from our work. I am doing my very
» best and everything in my power to provide you with a level of service that
» you should expect
Saying this result is not 100% perfect is kind of euphemistic don't you think? His result isn't even 0%, it's actually worse than if he never got a HT at all. I know you're just towing the company line, but sorry there's no way to sugarcoat this one.
On a previous reply you wrote that it appeared that he did lose more hair behind the transplanted areas. You totally disregard the fact that even the transplanted areas are completely disappointing. I'd have a lot more respect for your company if you just owned up to the fact that this result is horrible.
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chanyouzhe
05.10.2009, 12:00
@ chanyouzhe
|
Dr.Armani 3117 grafts 8 months |
9.5 months has passed,i will update the new photos in two days.» » Gabriel - wouldn't you be mad
» several months after HT where you wasted
» » thousands of dollars + invaluable donor hair (3117 grafts is huge amount
» of
» » donor hair) and your results after 8 months looks even worse? I don't
» know
» » exactly what this guy feels at the moment but i believe this situation
» is
» » really really really hard for him. Would be great if docs care more
» about
» » people feelings not only about the big $$$ what patients can bring
» them.
» »
» » btw. chanyouzhe how are you? any news?
» »
» »
» »
» »
» » » Hi Chan,
» » »
» » » How's it going? I find it very surprising and hard to believe that
» the
» » » doctor didn't explain that to you. I had a procedure with Dr. Armani
» in
» » May
» » » of 2008 and they made sure they went over every little detail of the
» » entire
» » » procedure and aftermath. Not only did they verbally explain that my
» » » existing hair may fall out due to shock and that it would take
» several
» » » months to see results, they had it all in writing and I had to sign
» to
» » » verify that I understood this.
» » »
» » » No offense, but did you listen to what they told you and did you read
» » the
» » » literature they handed out? I was not surprised when my existing hair
» » fell
» » » out and I did not have unrealistic expectations thanks to the Dr. and
» » the
» » » reps. I'm a little confused by your post as you seem completely
» » surprised
» » » by this.
» » »
» » » Gabriel
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Tequilla
05.10.2009, 12:39
@ chanyouzhe
|
Dr.Armani 3117 grafts 8 months |
chanyouzhe,
I feel so sorry for you and I cant even imagine how sad you must be. Your pre-operation pics werent that bad. U had still a lot of hair left which makes things even worse.
I just hope that Armani feels the same way and refunds you the huge amount you have paid for this mess.
I am not sure how much donor you have left, but you should start thinking about a repair. I know its hard to go through all this procedure once again, but in all honesty I dont think your hair will change that much anymore. Something went really wrong with your transplant......
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chanyouzhe
11.10.2009, 02:07
@ Tequilla
|
Dr.Armani 3117 grafts 8 months |
i am sorry for that i dont update new photos because my camera has something wrong,i will update new photos every half month in future,thanks
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cal
11.10.2009, 04:42
@ chanyouzhe
|
Dr.Armani 3117 grafts 8 months |
I think this result calls for a full cash refund. It does not look like a HT with a sub-par yield, it looks like a HT with very little yield at all.
It is understandable for the clinic to want to wait until 12 months have passed for any "final" judgment. But I do not think it will be very significantly improved at 12 months from what we see right now at 9 months.
If this kind of result is "very rare" then I don't see any reason not to pay all the money back to the dissatisfied patient. The cost of one HT is a small price to pay to protect the clinic's reputation. And the patient has paid a price in donor hair that cannot be recovered no matter how much money he gets refunded now.
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gabrielf81
NJ,
11.10.2009, 11:50
@ Truthtales
|
Dr.Armani 3117 grafts 8 months |
Truthtales,
I didn't say it was the patient's fault at all. I'm simply stating that I'm surprised that he is surprised. If you know what to expect and you do your research and you have a good doctor that explains things to you, than you shouldn't be so shocked. IMO.
Gabriel
» » Gabriel - wouldn't you be mad several months after HT where you wasted
» » thousands of dollars + invaluable donor hair (3117 grafts is huge amount
» of
» » donor hair) and your results after 8 months looks even worse? I don't
» know
» » exactly what this guy feels at the moment but i believe this situation
» is
» » really really really hard for him. Would be great if docs care more
» about
» » people feelings not only about the big $$$ what patients can bring
» them.
» »
» » btw. chanyouzhe how are you? any news?
» »
» »
» »
» »
» » » Hi Chan,
» » »
» » » How's it going? I find it very surprising and hard to believe that
» the
» » » doctor didn't explain that to you. I had a procedure with Dr. Armani
» in
» » May
» » » of 2008 and they made sure they went over every little detail of the
» » entire
» » » procedure and aftermath. Not only did they verbally explain that my
» » » existing hair may fall out due to shock and that it would take
» several
» » » months to see results, they had it all in writing and I had to sign
» to
» » » verify that I understood this.
» » »
» » » No offense, but did you listen to what they told you and did you read
» » the
» » » literature they handed out? I was not surprised when my existing hair
» » fell
» » » out and I did not have unrealistic expectations thanks to the Dr. and
» » the
» » » reps. I'm a little confused by your post as you seem completely
» » surprised
» » » by this.
» » »
» » » Gabriel
»
» Yeah propably according to gabriel this is the patients fault . I
» suggest if the doctors explains everything so well to the patients and they
» dont understand it maybe from now on they can show prospective patients the
» before and after pictures of chanyouzhe so that they can have visual aid in
» understanding what might happen.
»
» I see many holes in the doctors office walls from people running away as
» fast as they can
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chanyouzhe
14.10.2009, 22:20
@ chanyouzhe
|
Dr.Armani 3117 grafts 8 months |
10 months photos as follows
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