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escar

UK, Spain, Cyprus,
08.10.2009, 18:29

3260 GRAFTS- FUE - HDC MEDICAL (Hair Transplant)
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Hello to everybody, the following its another case performed at the HDC clinic, concretely the last June 2009

The details are as follows:

-3.260 Grafts
-FUE
The procedure were developed during 3 days.

Here you can read the original thread at the spanish forum:http://foro.recuperarelpelo.com/viewtopic.php?t=21443

Below you can examine the progression of the case till the moment.

BEFORE:
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DURING:
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4 MONTHS:
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escar is located in UK, SPAIN, CYPRUS and he is available to meet: YES
email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting.
---
Escar
HDC Hair Clinic
International Patient Coordinator

Website: www.hdc.com.cy
E-mail: info@hdc.com.cy
UK free phone: 08082347929
Office location: 338 Euston Road, London - UK
Clinic location: Cyprus

I express my personal opinion and not necessarily the clinic�s collective view.

vivace67

Canada,
09.10.2009, 18:39

@ escar
3260 GRAFTS- FUE - HDC MEDICAL
Post reply

what happens when you continue to experience hair loss?

vivace67 is located in CANADA and he is available to meet: NO
---
Hair Regime

Propecia 1mg (daily)
5% Minoxidal (twice daily)
HairMax Laser Comb (use 3 times/week)
Nizoral Shampoo (about 3 times a week)
"Hair Max" vitamin supplement (daily)

escar

UK, Spain, Cyprus,
09.10.2009, 20:56

@ vivace67
3260 GRAFTS- FUE - HDC MEDICAL
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� what happens when you continue to experience hair loss?

The hair loss its something that you never know if it will stop or not, the only thing that you can do to avoid risks is to do a transplant only if necessary and with the proper conditions, for example this patient its 39 years old, at this age we dont expect that his hairloss became much more aggressive, ok it can loose more hair in the future but considering the case this is not a problem, additionally the patient is taking Finasteride and Minoxidil, so its reasonable to believe that he will not need another procedure for at least 10-15 years, and then if he needs some more work in the future then there is enough donor to afford, no scars and good density keep the donor in perfect conditions to do it.

escar is located in UK, SPAIN, CYPRUS and he is available to meet: YES
email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting.
---
Escar
HDC Hair Clinic
International Patient Coordinator

Website: www.hdc.com.cy
E-mail: info@hdc.com.cy
UK free phone: 08082347929
Office location: 338 Euston Road, London - UK
Clinic location: Cyprus

I express my personal opinion and not necessarily the clinic�s collective view.

Redman77

10.10.2009, 00:30

@ escar
3260 GRAFTS- FUE - HDC MEDICAL
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� � what happens when you continue to experience hair loss?
�
�
� The hair loss its something that you never know if it will stop or not,
� the only thing that you can do to avoid risks is to do a transplant only if
� necessary and with the proper conditions, for example this patient its 39
� years old, at this age we dont expect that his hairloss became much more
� aggressive, ok it can loose more hair in the future but considering the
� case this is not a problem, additionally the patient is taking Finasteride
� and Minoxidil, so its reasonable to believe that he will not need another
� procedure for at least 10-15 years, and then if he needs some more work in
� the future then there is enough donor to afford, no scars and good density
� keep the donor in perfect conditions to do it.

this looks really good especially at 4 months! good job. if he got more in the hairline it'd be good, but as he's 39 it looks great as is especially with the short cut.

Redman77 is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
---
Maxi Hair
Mega Men Multivitamin
Fish Oils
Rogaine Foam
American Crew
Folligen Cream
Nizoral Shampoo

Redman77

10.10.2009, 00:31

@ vivace67
3260 GRAFTS- FUE - HDC MEDICAL
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� what happens when you continue to experience hair loss?

dont get an HT too young and try to get hairloss under control before even geting an HT. other than that it's a crap shoot just like anything else.

Redman77 is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
---
Maxi Hair
Mega Men Multivitamin
Fish Oils
Rogaine Foam
American Crew
Folligen Cream
Nizoral Shampoo

vivace67

Canada,
10.10.2009, 01:44

@ escar
3260 GRAFTS- FUE - HDC MEDICAL
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� this patient its 39
� years old, at this age we dont expect that his hairloss became much more
� aggressive, ok it can loose more hair in the future but considering the
� case this is not a problem, additionally the patient is taking Finasteride
� and Minoxidil, so its reasonable to believe that he will not need another
� procedure for at least 10-15 years,

absolutely WRONG...i'm 42 and have been on propecia for 10 years. if i stop propecia i will go from NW3 to NW5 in probably 6 months...

a sucker born every minute....

vivace67 is located in CANADA and he is available to meet: NO
---
Hair Regime

Propecia 1mg (daily)
5% Minoxidal (twice daily)
HairMax Laser Comb (use 3 times/week)
Nizoral Shampoo (about 3 times a week)
"Hair Max" vitamin supplement (daily)

escar

UK, Spain, Cyprus,
10.10.2009, 04:44

@ vivace67
3260 GRAFTS- FUE - HDC MEDICAL
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� � this patient its 39
� � years old, at this age we dont expect that his hairloss became much
� more
� � aggressive, ok it can loose more hair in the future but considering the
� � case this is not a problem, additionally the patient is taking
� Finasteride
� � and Minoxidil, so its reasonable to believe that he will not need
� another
� � procedure for at least 10-15 years,
�
�
� absolutely WRONG...i'm 42 and have been on propecia for 10 years. if i
� stop propecia i will go from NW3 to NW5 in probably 6 months...
�
� a sucker born every minute....

Well you are not him, he started with Finasteride after the procedure, thats why every case its different.

escar is located in UK, SPAIN, CYPRUS and he is available to meet: YES
email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting.
---
Escar
HDC Hair Clinic
International Patient Coordinator

Website: www.hdc.com.cy
E-mail: info@hdc.com.cy
UK free phone: 08082347929
Office location: 338 Euston Road, London - UK
Clinic location: Cyprus

I express my personal opinion and not necessarily the clinic�s collective view.

escar

UK, Spain, Cyprus,
10.10.2009, 04:46

@ escar
3260 GRAFTS- FUE - HDC MEDICAL
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What do you mean with "a sucker born every minute"?

escar is located in UK, SPAIN, CYPRUS and he is available to meet: YES
email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting.
---
Escar
HDC Hair Clinic
International Patient Coordinator

Website: www.hdc.com.cy
E-mail: info@hdc.com.cy
UK free phone: 08082347929
Office location: 338 Euston Road, London - UK
Clinic location: Cyprus

I express my personal opinion and not necessarily the clinic�s collective view.

hair101

Miami,
10.10.2009, 15:46

@ escar
finasteride before or after hair transplant?
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� � � this patient its 39
� � � years old, at this age we dont expect that his hairloss became much
� � more
� � � aggressive, ok it can loose more hair in the future but considering
� the
� � � case this is not a problem, additionally the patient is taking
� � Finasteride
� � � and Minoxidil, so its reasonable to believe that he will not need
� � another
� � � procedure for at least 10-15 years,
� �
� �
� � absolutely WRONG...i'm 42 and have been on propecia for 10 years. if i
� � stop propecia i will go from NW3 to NW5 in probably 6 months...
� �
� � a sucker born every minute....
�
� Well you are not him, he started with Finasteride after the procedure,
� thats why every case its different.

I forgot who said this, but someone or some doctor said to start finaisteride before hair transplant, not after. Is there a difference either way?

hair101 is located in MIAMI and he is available to meet: YES
email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting.
---
age 25, between NW1 and 2
Propecia for > 1 year
Dr. Klein's Remox

mwinston

19.10.2009, 20:09

@ escar
3260 GRAFTS- FUE - HDC MEDICAL
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� � � this patient its 39
� � � years old, at this age we dont expect that his hairloss became much
� � more
� � � aggressive, ok it can loose more hair in the future but considering
� the
� � � case this is not a problem, additionally the patient is taking
� � Finasteride
� � � and Minoxidil, so its reasonable to believe that he will not need
� � another
� � � procedure for at least 10-15 years,
� �
� �
� � absolutely WRONG...i'm 42 and have been on propecia for 10 years. if i
� � stop propecia i will go from NW3 to NW5 in probably 6 months...
� �
� � a sucker born every minute....
�
� Well you are not him, he started with Finasteride after the procedure,
� thats why every case its different.
Crown shows well for 4 months

mwinston is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO

mwinston

19.10.2009, 20:12

@ escar
Crown is nice. Any shaved before pics
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any preop shaved pix?

� Hello to everybody, the following its another case performed at the HDC
� clinic, concretely the last June 2009
�
� The details are as follows:
�
� -3.260 Grafts
� -FUE
� The procedure were developed during 3 days.
�
� Here you can read the original thread at the spanish
� forum:http://foro.recuperarelpelo.com/viewtopic.php?t=21443
�
� Below you can examine the progression of the case till the moment.
�
� BEFORE:
� [image]
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� [image]
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� [image]
�
� DURING:
� [image]
� [image]
� [image]
� [image]
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� 4 MONTHS:
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� [image]

mwinston is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO

ipod

20.10.2009, 19:49

@ mwinston
Crown is nice. Any shaved before pics
Post reply

A high hairline without using too many grafts, these are the kind of hair transplants that doctors should promote more.

ipod is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
---
NW3 -
Propecia /Saw Palmetto
Topical Spiro / Rogaine Foam (quit REMOX IV)
High does vitamin C / Lysine / Nizoral / Tea Tree Oil Shampoo

cal

24.10.2009, 15:58

@ ipod
Crown is nice. Any shaved before pics
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It's a good result so far and good usage of the # of grafts.

And it had better turn out well. IMHO there's no way he's ever getting another 3000 grafts from that safe zone. I might guess that he could get another 1500-2000 from raiding throughout his whole scalp in the future.

cal is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO

CP

24.10.2009, 17:54

@ escar
3260 GRAFTS- FUE - HDC MEDICAL
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It says clinic location is Cyprus, I am sorry but where exactly is Cyprus?

CP is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO

escar

UK, Spain, Cyprus,
25.10.2009, 05:03

@ CP
3260 GRAFTS- FUE - HDC MEDICAL
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� It says clinic location is Cyprus, I am sorry but where exactly is Cyprus?

Cyprus is the third largest Mediterranean island and one of its most popular touristic destinations specially for people from UK and east Europe.

It was a colony of UK in the past from which there are remnants like the left hand side of the road.

Cyprus are situated in the eastern Mediterranean, is member of the European Union and the coin is the euro, I hope that it helps.

Regards,

escar is located in UK, SPAIN, CYPRUS and he is available to meet: YES
email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting.
---
Escar
HDC Hair Clinic
International Patient Coordinator

Website: www.hdc.com.cy
E-mail: info@hdc.com.cy
UK free phone: 08082347929
Office location: 338 Euston Road, London - UK
Clinic location: Cyprus

I express my personal opinion and not necessarily the clinic�s collective view.

escar

UK, Spain, Cyprus,
25.10.2009, 08:05

@ escar
3260 GRAFTS- FUE - HDC MEDICAL
Post reply

� � It says clinic location is Cyprus, I am sorry but where exactly is
� Cyprus?

In this link you will find much more and better information about Cyprus:

http://www.visitcyprus.com/wps/portal

escar is located in UK, SPAIN, CYPRUS and he is available to meet: YES
email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting.
---
Escar
HDC Hair Clinic
International Patient Coordinator

Website: www.hdc.com.cy
E-mail: info@hdc.com.cy
UK free phone: 08082347929
Office location: 338 Euston Road, London - UK
Clinic location: Cyprus

I express my personal opinion and not necessarily the clinic�s collective view.

CP

26.10.2009, 11:57

@ escar
3260 GRAFTS- FUE - HDC MEDICAL
Post reply

� � � It says clinic location is Cyprus, I am sorry but where exactly is
� � Cyprus?
�
�
� In this link you will find much more and better information about Cyprus:
�
� http://www.visitcyprus.com/wps/portal

Thanks.

CP is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO

escar UK, Spain, Cyprus, 08.10.2009, 18:29	3260 GRAFTS- FUE - HDC MEDICAL (Hair Transplant) Post reply
	Hello to everybody, the following its another case performed at the HDC clinic, concretely the last June 2009 The details are as follows: -3.260 Grafts -FUE The procedure were developed during 3 days. Here you can read the original thread at the spanish forum:http://foro.recuperarelpelo.com/viewtopic.php?t=21443 Below you can examine the progression of the case till the moment. BEFORE: DURING: 4 MONTHS: escar is located in UK, SPAIN, CYPRUS and he is available to meet: YES email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting. --- Escar HDC Hair Clinic International Patient Coordinator Website: www.hdc.com.cy E-mail: info@hdc.com.cy UK free phone: 08082347929 Office location: 338 Euston Road, London - UK Clinic location: Cyprus I express my personal opinion and not necessarily the clinic�s collective view.
vivace67 Canada, 09.10.2009, 18:39 @ escar	3260 GRAFTS- FUE - HDC MEDICAL Post reply
	what happens when you continue to experience hair loss? vivace67 is located in CANADA and he is available to meet: NO --- Hair Regime Propecia 1mg (daily) 5% Minoxidal (twice daily) HairMax Laser Comb (use 3 times/week) Nizoral Shampoo (about 3 times a week) "Hair Max" vitamin supplement (daily)
escar UK, Spain, Cyprus, 09.10.2009, 20:56 @ vivace67	3260 GRAFTS- FUE - HDC MEDICAL Post reply
	� what happens when you continue to experience hair loss? The hair loss its something that you never know if it will stop or not, the only thing that you can do to avoid risks is to do a transplant only if necessary and with the proper conditions, for example this patient its 39 years old, at this age we dont expect that his hairloss became much more aggressive, ok it can loose more hair in the future but considering the case this is not a problem, additionally the patient is taking Finasteride and Minoxidil, so its reasonable to believe that he will not need another procedure for at least 10-15 years, and then if he needs some more work in the future then there is enough donor to afford, no scars and good density keep the donor in perfect conditions to do it. escar is located in UK, SPAIN, CYPRUS and he is available to meet: YES email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting. --- Escar HDC Hair Clinic International Patient Coordinator Website: www.hdc.com.cy E-mail: info@hdc.com.cy UK free phone: 08082347929 Office location: 338 Euston Road, London - UK Clinic location: Cyprus I express my personal opinion and not necessarily the clinic�s collective view.
Redman77 10.10.2009, 00:30 @ escar	3260 GRAFTS- FUE - HDC MEDICAL Post reply
	� � what happens when you continue to experience hair loss? � � � The hair loss its something that you never know if it will stop or not, � the only thing that you can do to avoid risks is to do a transplant only if � necessary and with the proper conditions, for example this patient its 39 � years old, at this age we dont expect that his hairloss became much more � aggressive, ok it can loose more hair in the future but considering the � case this is not a problem, additionally the patient is taking Finasteride � and Minoxidil, so its reasonable to believe that he will not need another � procedure for at least 10-15 years, and then if he needs some more work in � the future then there is enough donor to afford, no scars and good density � keep the donor in perfect conditions to do it. this looks really good especially at 4 months! good job. if he got more in the hairline it'd be good, but as he's 39 it looks great as is especially with the short cut. Redman77 is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- Maxi Hair Mega Men Multivitamin Fish Oils Rogaine Foam American Crew Folligen Cream Nizoral Shampoo
Redman77 10.10.2009, 00:31 @ vivace67	3260 GRAFTS- FUE - HDC MEDICAL Post reply
	� what happens when you continue to experience hair loss? dont get an HT too young and try to get hairloss under control before even geting an HT. other than that it's a crap shoot just like anything else. Redman77 is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- Maxi Hair Mega Men Multivitamin Fish Oils Rogaine Foam American Crew Folligen Cream Nizoral Shampoo
vivace67 Canada, 10.10.2009, 01:44 @ escar	3260 GRAFTS- FUE - HDC MEDICAL Post reply
	� this patient its 39 � years old, at this age we dont expect that his hairloss became much more � aggressive, ok it can loose more hair in the future but considering the � case this is not a problem, additionally the patient is taking Finasteride � and Minoxidil, so its reasonable to believe that he will not need another � procedure for at least 10-15 years, absolutely WRONG...i'm 42 and have been on propecia for 10 years. if i stop propecia i will go from NW3 to NW5 in probably 6 months... a sucker born every minute.... vivace67 is located in CANADA and he is available to meet: NO --- Hair Regime Propecia 1mg (daily) 5% Minoxidal (twice daily) HairMax Laser Comb (use 3 times/week) Nizoral Shampoo (about 3 times a week) "Hair Max" vitamin supplement (daily)
escar UK, Spain, Cyprus, 10.10.2009, 04:44 @ vivace67	3260 GRAFTS- FUE - HDC MEDICAL Post reply
	� � this patient its 39 � � years old, at this age we dont expect that his hairloss became much � more � � aggressive, ok it can loose more hair in the future but considering the � � case this is not a problem, additionally the patient is taking � Finasteride � � and Minoxidil, so its reasonable to believe that he will not need � another � � procedure for at least 10-15 years, � � � absolutely WRONG...i'm 42 and have been on propecia for 10 years. if i � stop propecia i will go from NW3 to NW5 in probably 6 months... � � a sucker born every minute.... Well you are not him, he started with Finasteride after the procedure, thats why every case its different. escar is located in UK, SPAIN, CYPRUS and he is available to meet: YES email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting. --- Escar HDC Hair Clinic International Patient Coordinator Website: www.hdc.com.cy E-mail: info@hdc.com.cy UK free phone: 08082347929 Office location: 338 Euston Road, London - UK Clinic location: Cyprus I express my personal opinion and not necessarily the clinic�s collective view.
escar UK, Spain, Cyprus, 10.10.2009, 04:46 @ escar	3260 GRAFTS- FUE - HDC MEDICAL Post reply
	What do you mean with "a sucker born every minute"? escar is located in UK, SPAIN, CYPRUS and he is available to meet: YES email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting. --- Escar HDC Hair Clinic International Patient Coordinator Website: www.hdc.com.cy E-mail: info@hdc.com.cy UK free phone: 08082347929 Office location: 338 Euston Road, London - UK Clinic location: Cyprus I express my personal opinion and not necessarily the clinic�s collective view.
hair101 Miami, 10.10.2009, 15:46 @ escar	finasteride before or after hair transplant? Post reply
	� � � this patient its 39 � � � years old, at this age we dont expect that his hairloss became much � � more � � � aggressive, ok it can loose more hair in the future but considering � the � � � case this is not a problem, additionally the patient is taking � � Finasteride � � � and Minoxidil, so its reasonable to believe that he will not need � � another � � � procedure for at least 10-15 years, � � � � � � absolutely WRONG...i'm 42 and have been on propecia for 10 years. if i � � stop propecia i will go from NW3 to NW5 in probably 6 months... � � � � a sucker born every minute.... � � Well you are not him, he started with Finasteride after the procedure, � thats why every case its different. I forgot who said this, but someone or some doctor said to start finaisteride before hair transplant, not after. Is there a difference either way? hair101 is located in MIAMI and he is available to meet: YES email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting. --- age 25, between NW1 and 2 Propecia for > 1 year Dr. Klein's Remox
mwinston 19.10.2009, 20:09 @ escar	3260 GRAFTS- FUE - HDC MEDICAL Post reply
	� � � this patient its 39 � � � years old, at this age we dont expect that his hairloss became much � � more � � � aggressive, ok it can loose more hair in the future but considering � the � � � case this is not a problem, additionally the patient is taking � � Finasteride � � � and Minoxidil, so its reasonable to believe that he will not need � � another � � � procedure for at least 10-15 years, � � � � � � absolutely WRONG...i'm 42 and have been on propecia for 10 years. if i � � stop propecia i will go from NW3 to NW5 in probably 6 months... � � � � a sucker born every minute.... � � Well you are not him, he started with Finasteride after the procedure, � thats why every case its different. Crown shows well for 4 months mwinston is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
mwinston 19.10.2009, 20:12 @ escar	Crown is nice. Any shaved before pics Post reply
	any preop shaved pix? � Hello to everybody, the following its another case performed at the HDC � clinic, concretely the last June 2009 � � The details are as follows: � � -3.260 Grafts � -FUE � The procedure were developed during 3 days. � � Here you can read the original thread at the spanish � forum:http://foro.recuperarelpelo.com/viewtopic.php?t=21443 � � Below you can examine the progression of the case till the moment. � � BEFORE: � � � � � � � DURING: � � � � � � � � � � � � 4 MONTHS: � � � � � mwinston is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
ipod 20.10.2009, 19:49 @ mwinston	Crown is nice. Any shaved before pics Post reply
	A high hairline without using too many grafts, these are the kind of hair transplants that doctors should promote more. ipod is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- NW3 - Propecia /Saw Palmetto Topical Spiro / Rogaine Foam (quit REMOX IV) High does vitamin C / Lysine / Nizoral / Tea Tree Oil Shampoo
cal 24.10.2009, 15:58 @ ipod	Crown is nice. Any shaved before pics Post reply
	It's a good result so far and good usage of the # of grafts. And it had better turn out well. IMHO there's no way he's ever getting another 3000 grafts from that safe zone. I might guess that he could get another 1500-2000 from raiding throughout his whole scalp in the future. cal is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
CP 24.10.2009, 17:54 @ escar	3260 GRAFTS- FUE - HDC MEDICAL Post reply
	It says clinic location is Cyprus, I am sorry but where exactly is Cyprus? CP is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO
escar UK, Spain, Cyprus, 25.10.2009, 05:03 @ CP	3260 GRAFTS- FUE - HDC MEDICAL Post reply
	� It says clinic location is Cyprus, I am sorry but where exactly is Cyprus? Cyprus is the third largest Mediterranean island and one of its most popular touristic destinations specially for people from UK and east Europe. It was a colony of UK in the past from which there are remnants like the left hand side of the road. Cyprus are situated in the eastern Mediterranean, is member of the European Union and the coin is the euro, I hope that it helps. Regards, escar is located in UK, SPAIN, CYPRUS and he is available to meet: YES email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting. --- Escar HDC Hair Clinic International Patient Coordinator Website: www.hdc.com.cy E-mail: info@hdc.com.cy UK free phone: 08082347929 Office location: 338 Euston Road, London - UK Clinic location: Cyprus I express my personal opinion and not necessarily the clinic�s collective view.
escar UK, Spain, Cyprus, 25.10.2009, 08:05 @ escar	3260 GRAFTS- FUE - HDC MEDICAL Post reply
	� � It says clinic location is Cyprus, I am sorry but where exactly is � Cyprus? In this link you will find much more and better information about Cyprus: http://www.visitcyprus.com/wps/portal escar is located in UK, SPAIN, CYPRUS and he is available to meet: YES email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting. --- Escar HDC Hair Clinic International Patient Coordinator Website: www.hdc.com.cy E-mail: info@hdc.com.cy UK free phone: 08082347929 Office location: 338 Euston Road, London - UK Clinic location: Cyprus I express my personal opinion and not necessarily the clinic�s collective view.
CP 26.10.2009, 11:57 @ escar	3260 GRAFTS- FUE - HDC MEDICAL Post reply
	� � � It says clinic location is Cyprus, I am sorry but where exactly is � � Cyprus? � � � In this link you will find much more and better information about Cyprus: � � http://www.visitcyprus.com/wps/portal Thanks. CP is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO