garyg
16.10.2009, 13:28 |
What questions to ask during a consultation? (Hair Transplant) |
I have booked a hair transplant consultation and would like to know what are some of the questions I should ask? I know I do not want strip but other than that what else do I need to find out fromthe doctor?
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mwinston
17.10.2009, 17:25
@ garyg
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What questions to ask during a consultation? |
» I have booked a hair transplant consultation and would like to know what
» are some of the questions I should ask? I know I do not want strip but
» other than that what else do I need to find out fromthe doctor?
Hey,
ask about the experience of the staff,transection rate, and pros & cons of the HT method
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ipod
18.10.2009, 12:41
@ mwinston
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What questions to ask during a consultation? |
» » I have booked a hair transplant consultation and would like to know what
» » are some of the questions I should ask? I know I do not want strip but
» » other than that what else do I need to find out fromthe doctor?
» Hey,
» ask about the experience of the staff,transection rate, and pros & cons of
» the HT method
Forget about transection rate, doctors can lie about the transection rate and you can't prove it one way or another.
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Pats205
19.10.2009, 18:11
@ ipod
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What questions to ask during a consultation? |
Something good to discuss would be your donor hair, if you have enough grafts available for another procedure in case you need to thicken up any other areas if your hairloss progresses. What is the future plan. Do you want to get on medications to try and preven future hairloss etc...
Its good to write down your questions, that way when yo uare in front of the doctor you don't foregt to ask anything.
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pauly
20.10.2009, 11:40
@ garyg
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What questions to ask during a consultation? |
» I have booked a hair transplant consultation and would like to know what
» are some of the questions I should ask? I know I do not want strip but
» other than that what else do I need to find out fromthe doctor?
Chances are that it's not the doctor who will be doing the consultation with u, I am willing to bet u will be meeting with a salesman rather than the doctor himself.
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Pats205
20.10.2009, 15:43
@ pauly
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What questions to ask during a consultation? |
» Chances are that it's not the doctor who will be doing the consultation
» with u, I am willing to bet u will be meeting with a salesman rather than
» the doctor himself.
Just speaking for our clinic, when you schedule a consultation with DR. Armani, the meeting is with Dr. Armani himself.
We do also offer information sessions with consultants. Often times the consultant has had a procedure with Dr. Armani (almost always), so this meeting also offers the chance to see a result in person. The consultant because he has had a transplant has a thorough knowledge of what the procedure and post op process is like.
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4,060 grafts - Dr. Armani 3/14/07
6,460 grafts Total |
HMorHT
20.10.2009, 17:08
@ garyg
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What questions to ask during a consultation? |
» I have booked a hair transplant consultation and would like to know what
» are some of the questions I should ask? I know I do not want strip but
» other than that what else do I need to find out fromthe doctor?
Ask for post op care instructions, if he is being elusive about that, run.
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Dr. Woods
 
Australia,
20.10.2009, 17:42
@ HMorHT
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THE MOST IMPORTANT |
» » I have booked a hair transplant consultation and would like to know what
» » are some of the questions I should ask? I know I do not want strip but
» » other than that what else do I need to find out fromthe doctor?
»
After you paid the money, you are gowned, in a chair, lovely friendly smiling girls will hover around you, and you are smug about getting a great deal
The pre med is taking effect, and you feel hopeful and anticipate all that you were told will come true
Then, in your twilight numbness, you are asked to sign some ROUTINE disclaimers and waivers. The assistant is charming and appears totally genuine
This document means all you were promised is NOT valid.
And regardless of what happens to you, the doctor has a get out of jail free card.
Get the disclaimer in advance.
READ THE BLOODY THING
Show it to your attorney, family and trusted confidants
These disclaimers are cleaverly disguised
They usually start out with, "there may be swelling..." and stuff like that
By the time you get to clause 32 , which you automatically sign WITHOUT READING, just as you do when buying a car from GM or FORD, the real deception kicks in
You have NO rights, NO recourse, NOTHING....
Dr Ray Woods
Dr. Woods is located in AUSTRALIA and he is available to meet: YES
email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting. ---
website: www.woodstechnique.com.au
email: drwoods@thewoodstechnique.com
Inventor & Pioneer: FUE & BHT Hair Transplant |
Fred78773
21.10.2009, 11:26
@ Dr. Woods
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THE MOST IMPORTANT |
» » » I have booked a hair transplant consultation and would like to know
» what
» » » are some of the questions I should ask? I know I do not want strip
» but
» » » other than that what else do I need to find out fromthe doctor?
» »
»
»
» After you paid the money, you are gowned, in a chair, lovely friendly
» smiling girls will hover around you, and you are smug about getting a great
» deal
»
» The pre med is taking effect, and you feel hopeful and anticipate all that
» you were told will come true
»
» Then, in your twilight numbness, you are asked to sign some ROUTINE
» disclaimers and waivers. The assistant is charming and appears totally
» genuine
»
» This document means all you were promised is NOT valid.
»
» And regardless of what happens to you, the doctor has a get out of jail
» free card.
»
» Get the disclaimer in advance.
»
» READ THE BLOODY THING
»
» Show it to your attorney, family and trusted confidants
»
» These disclaimers are cleaverly disguised
»
» They usually start out with, "there may be swelling..." and stuff like
» that
»
» By the time you get to clause 32 , which you automatically sign WITHOUT
» READING, just as you do when buying a car from GM or FORD, the real
» deception kicks in
»
» You have NO rights, NO recourse, NOTHING....
»
» Dr Ray Woods
I can't tell if this is Dr. Woods' sense of humor or not but is it true that there will be disclaimer that the patient must sign? What are they like?
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Dr. Woods
Australia,
22.10.2009, 19:07
@ Fred78773
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no. not joking |
» I can't tell if this is Dr. Woods' sense of humor or not but is it true
» that there will be disclaimer that the patient must sign? What are they
» like?
No. I am not joking
On countless occasions this has happened
There are so many guys who I see who have decimated donors and poor growth
I ask, "what did you sign?"
And many say "I Dont remember"
They eventually find out they signed a watertight protection document...not for the patient...but for the doctor
And why dont they remember ?
A common pre med is HYPNOVAL.
Brilliant stuff. A great tranquilizer
It also has an AMNESIC capability
That means your memory is wiped during that period
And the others just trusted and signed on the dotted line without realizing the implications
I wish I was joking. But I am not
Dr Ray Woods
Dr. Woods is located in AUSTRALIA and he is available to meet: YES
email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting. ---
website: www.woodstechnique.com.au
email: drwoods@thewoodstechnique.com
Inventor & Pioneer: FUE & BHT Hair Transplant |
stitchmeup
22.10.2009, 20:21
@ Dr. Woods
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no. not joking |
» » I can't tell if this is Dr. Woods' sense of humor or not but is it true
» » that there will be disclaimer that the patient must sign? What are they
» » like?
»
»
» No. I am not joking
»
» On countless occasions this has happened
»
» There are so many guys who I see who have decimated donors and poor
» growth
»
» I ask, "what did you sign?"
»
» And many say "I Dont remember"
»
» They eventually find out they signed a watertight protection
» document...not for the patient...but for the doctor
»
» And why dont they remember ?
»
» A common pre med is HYPNOVAL.
»
» Brilliant stuff. A great tranquilizer
»
» It also has an AMNESIC capability
»
» That means your memory is wiped during that period
»
» And the others just trusted and signed on the dotted line without
» realizing the implications
»
» I wish I was joking. But I am not
»
» Dr Ray Woods
It's funny this was brought up, I did sign some papers but my doctor never gave me a copy to take home with me so I don't have a clue what I signed, I assume those were the disclaimers or waivers for the surgery. What Dr. Woods said about the patient's psychology is very true, the disclaimer was the last thing on my mind. I was thinking about my hair the whole time especially whether the doctor/technicians were placing the grafts correctly to create the design I wanted.
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Dr. Arvind
New Delhi, India,
22.10.2009, 23:26
@ garyg
|
What questions to ask during a consultation? |
» I have booked a hair transplant consultation and would like to know what
» are some of the questions I should ask? I know I do not want strip but
» other than that what else do I need to find out fromthe doctor?
Dear garyg,
One of the most important part of the consultation should focus on the treatment plan. Before committing to your HT, you should know what all long term options are available to you in case you lose more hair.
Apart from the above, the following 3 need to be discussed -
1. Area that needs to be transplanted (preferably in sq cms.)
2. Density of the follicular unit grafts that will be placed in this recipient area.
3. Hairline placement. The more youthful/lower the hairline, the more the number of grafts that may be required.
Do not let the clinic give you a graft estimate based on their own limitation (in terms of how many grafts they can extract and use). There are many "unfinished" hair transplants that result from such an approach.
Be clear in your own mind what you wish to get from the hair restoration (partial coverage, full coverage, only hairline coverage, crown swirl area coverage etc.).
Articulate it clearly to the doctor.
Ask him how many grafts that will require. Verify that mathematically (recipient area in sq cms X number of grafts per sq cm). That should be a good first step.
Regards,
Dr. A
Dr. Arvind is located in NEW DELHI, INDIA and he is available to meet: YES
email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting. ---
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A-9,First Floor,
C.R. Park, (Near Nehru Place),
New Delhi-110019, India. www.fusehair.com
e-mail: fusehair1@gmail.com
Ph- 91-011-26274368,91-098-101-78062
Hours-10a.m.to 5p.m
Scalp & Body hair transplants |
Dr. Woods
Australia,
23.10.2009, 07:53
@ Dr. Arvind
|
What questions to ask during a consultation? |
»
» Verify that mathematically
» (recipient area in sq cms X number of grafts per sq cm). That should be a
» good first step.
»
» Regards,
» Dr. A
» Verify that mathematically ...???
A good first step is to be aware that we are not drilling steel
It is flesh and blood....your flesh and blood
Federal Reserve Bank fractionated interest rate lending dynamics and mathematical double talk on how to screw you.....should not apply here
lets not go there boys
But if you want to...I will
Dr Ray Woods
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website: www.woodstechnique.com.au
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Inventor & Pioneer: FUE & BHT Hair Transplant |
ipod
23.10.2009, 11:28
@ Fred78773
|
THE MOST IMPORTANT |
» I can't tell if this is Dr. Woods' sense of humor or not but is it true
» that there will be disclaimer that the patient must sign? What are they
» like?
Dr. Woods has a very unique sense of humor, do a search for his posts, you'll learn a lot about the HT industry and you will get a good laugh too.
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cal
23.10.2009, 12:32
@ ipod
|
THE MOST IMPORTANT |
As far as I know the medical community in the USA is legally prohibited from having you sign papers once the drugs go into your system.
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marco
U.K,
23.10.2009, 13:58
@ Dr. Woods
|
What questions to ask during a consultation? |
» »
» » Verify that mathematically
» » (recipient area in sq cms X number of grafts per sq cm). That should be
» a
» » good first step.
» »
» » Regards,
» » Dr. A
»
»
» » Verify that mathematically ...???
»
»
» A good first step is to be aware that we are not drilling steel
»
» It is flesh and blood....your flesh and blood
»
» Federal Reserve Bank fractionated interest rate lending dynamics and
» mathematical double talk on how to screw you.....should not apply here
»
» lets not go there boys
»
» But if you want to...I will
»
» Dr Ray Woods
That is an ignorant and insulting thing to say. Arvind suggests that a patient verifies that the number of grafts proposed are actually available and you say do not bother this is not a bank. Well, it is!!! It is a hair bank with a limited supply and a limited reality in terms of what can be taken.
I have no idea what has driven such an obtuse comment by you unless you wish to insult Arvind at the expense of reason???
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Dr. Arvind
New Delhi, India,
25.10.2009, 02:24
@ garyg
|
What questions to ask during a consultation? |
Once you know your
1. donor availability (by strip FUHT, FUSE, beard etc.)
2. donor requirement based on what you wish to acheive (hairline only, crown only or all norwood areas),
you can decide whether it is worth going ahead with a transplant. In older times, HT doctors would sometimes give graft estimates of, for example, 3000 grafts to a NW 5 or 6.
The patient may think he will get hair over all areas and the doctor plans to realistically provide a frontal framing with deeply recessed temples and a bald crown. (Thats where the term "realistic expectations" comes from).
Today, that should not happen. As an aware patient you should know what a particular number of grafts can acheive for you before you go for your first hairtransplant.
Discuss these things with your doctor.
Regards,
Dr. A
Dr. Arvind is located in NEW DELHI, INDIA and he is available to meet: YES
email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting. ---
Dr.(Capt) Arvind Poswal
A-9,First Floor,
C.R. Park, (Near Nehru Place),
New Delhi-110019, India. www.fusehair.com
e-mail: fusehair1@gmail.com
Ph- 91-011-26274368,91-098-101-78062
Hours-10a.m.to 5p.m
Scalp & Body hair transplants |
JJ09
25.10.2009, 05:46
@ Dr. Arvind
|
What questions to ask during a consultation? |
Well said Dr Arvind…something that was never discussed with me, and I’m paying the price...in every way.
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garyg
26.10.2009, 13:27
@ ipod
|
What questions to ask during a consultation? |
» » » I have booked a hair transplant consultation and would like to know
» what
» » » are some of the questions I should ask? I know I do not want strip
» but
» » » other than that what else do I need to find out fromthe doctor?
» » Hey,
» » ask about the experience of the staff,transection rate, and pros & cons
» of
» » the HT method
»
» Forget about transection rate, doctors can lie about the transection rate
» and you can't prove it one way or another.
Thanks, what does transection rate mean?
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garyg
26.10.2009, 13:43
@ garyg
|
What questions to ask during a consultation? |
Thanks everyone for the advice, my appointment is for this week I will let you guys know what happens. BTW what is the consensus on this platelet plasma treatment?
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Dr. Woods
Australia,
26.10.2009, 19:26
@ marco
|
Insulting? Sorry, I forgot we were in Church |
Yes your donor reserves are a bank
And every time you go to a hairtransplant surgeon, he is your Wall Street funds manager....sleep tight
The issue here is " Mathematical verification"
It is ironic I introduced the concept that a patient should be able to watch and verify that the number is correct and the follicles are intact..way back in the 1990s.
And that was heresy
But how many grafts per square centimeter being "verifiable mathematically" suggests that hair transplantation is an exact science...which it is not
This kind of language implies the result is verifiable mathematically
The Nobel Prize committee must be informed at once for this is indeed a world first in any discipline of surgery.
Once they realise this came from the HT Industry, they will chuckle so hard they will spill their cognac
And the other poster is correct..transection rates are the great unknown deception..like when you check your balance and your money has disappeared
Dr Ray Woods
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email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting. ---
website: www.woodstechnique.com.au
email: drwoods@thewoodstechnique.com
Inventor & Pioneer: FUE & BHT Hair Transplant |
Dr. Arvind
New Delhi, India,
28.10.2009, 00:10
@ JJ09
|
Mathematics is the first step |
» Well said Dr Arvind…something that was never discussed with me, and I’m
» paying the price...in every way.
Dear JJ09 and all readers,
The importance of mathematical calculation can not be overstressed.
One big tactic that many hairmills and unscrupulous doctors follow is called "underselling". They will make you believe you need less number of grafts. Why?! For many reasons. Maybe, they can not handle logistics at that level, maybe they are lazy. But the most common reason is they do not want you to make an informed decision.
They think that if you come to know that you need, say, 10,000 grafts, for what you have in mind; you will decide not to go for a hair transplant at all.
Some others will make you see the trees and forget the forest.
Dont lose the overall picture.
Before you decide where to go for a hair transplant, you have to decide whether you even want to go for it.
Simple illustrative example
If you have 150 sq cms of bald/balding scalp (thats what a NW 5 usually has).
You plan 50 FU grafts/sq cm in the hairline area and 40 behind that.
Being very conservative, lets say only 50 sq cms at 50 grafts per sq cm (= 2500 grafts), and 100 sq cms at 40 grafts per sq cm (= 4000 grafts).
That shows that the person requires 6500 grafts even for this moderate requirement.
If the doctor does not tell you this before offering to do a 1800 or 2500 graft procedure, please tell him to explain to you in simple mathematics how what they are offering is in synch with what you want.
I hope this helps you.
Regards,
Dr. A
Dr. Arvind is located in NEW DELHI, INDIA and he is available to meet: YES
email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting. ---
Dr.(Capt) Arvind Poswal
A-9,First Floor,
C.R. Park, (Near Nehru Place),
New Delhi-110019, India. www.fusehair.com
e-mail: fusehair1@gmail.com
Ph- 91-011-26274368,91-098-101-78062
Hours-10a.m.to 5p.m
Scalp & Body hair transplants |
john35
29.10.2009, 23:38
@ garyg
|
What questions to ask during a consultation? |
» I have booked a hair transplant consultation and would like to know what
» are some of the questions I should ask? I know I do not want strip but
» other than that what else do I need to find out fromthe doctor?
Get this
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=11979944
greet politely the doctor and ask him is it ok to record the consultation for your records.
Chances are he will show you the door.
But, If by some chance, not ordinarily encountered, he agrees that you can, ask him this:
Do all his “surgical technicians” have valid, unrevoked, or unsuspended certificates/licenses?
Do they place the grafts in the receptor sites during HT surgery?
And if they do, Is he, The surgeon, in the room all the time with his HT patient,(that would be you) supervising that process of grafts transplant?
Chances are he will show you the door. But if he doesn’t and gives you an answer chances are most HT doctors will inform you that his surgical technicians are trained by him personally, that surgical Technicians do not require "licenses" - they are all individually trained by their own Doc to the standard the Doc "feels "is required for their clinic .Then, if this is not enough for you to get up and run away, most HT doctors,(if they REALLY have to) would inform you that ...Sure, the “surgical technicians” place the grafts in the receptor sites, and no, the HT doctor IS NOT with you all the time during the surgery.
If you are still there and listening and it doesn’t sound too bad for you ask him why the surgeon is not with the patient when it is the operating surgeon to whom you, the patient, gave consent to operate?
He will show you the door. If not, tell us what excuse he told you, so we can laugh.
If after he told you he won't be with you all the time during surgery(if that is what he told you) and you really want to discover how many hours you will be left with “surgical technicians’ who have no formal medical training whatsoever, to transplant human tissue (hair follicles) on your head, without direct supervision from the doctor, go ahead, it is all good…. they will most likely play the latest movie for you and offer you munching on snacks.
Good luck
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john35
30.10.2009, 00:07
@ cal
|
THE MOST IMPORTANT |
» As far as I know the medical community in the USA is legally prohibited
» from having you sign papers once the drugs go into your system.
I believe you when you say that. I believe you because there is a theory that the practice of acquiring informed consent is rooted in the post-World War II Nuremberg Trials. At the war crimes tribunal in 1949,10 standards were put forth regarding physicians'requirements for experimentation on human subjects.
This established a new standard of ethical medical behavior for the post-WW II human rights age, and the concept of voluntary informed consent was established.
A number of rules accompanied voluntary informed consent. It could only be requested for experimentation for the gain of society, for the potential acquisition of knowledge of the pathology of disease, and for studies performed that avoided physical and mental suffering to the fullest extent
possible.
Today, all of the 50 United States have legislation that delineates the required standards for informed consent. For example, the State of Washington employs the second approach outlined as the reasonable patient standard (what an average patient would need to know to be an informed participant in the decision). This approach ensures that a doctor fulfills all professional responsibilities and provides the best care possible and that patients have choices in decisions about their health care.
However, the patient's competence in making a decision is
considered.
So, in the light of the what was written/said, do any of you think that is of any consequence that the consent is given to patient for signature after he was medicated with such medications?Any concerns about his or her capacity to make decision?
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Dr. Woods
Australia,
02.11.2009, 16:29
@ john35
|
THE MOST IMPORTANT |
Well said, john 35
Before ANY doctor pulls out his calculator, this needs to be understood.
Otherwise, all the figures assurances promises are meaningless, as many already know.
And most keep their silence through fear
There was a famous , well publicised case here in Australia some years ago.
A patient was butchered, took it to court, had his details and face all over the news, and lost.
I am not sure, but I think he had to pay damages to the doctor
And all because of a watertight disclaimer
Dr Ray Woods
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Inventor & Pioneer: FUE & BHT Hair Transplant |
HairSite
All Over,
03.11.2009, 11:01
@ garyg
|
What questions to ask during a consultation? |
» Thanks, what does transection rate mean?
This is when a donor follicle is damaged or cut in half during the harvesting process. See image below. The doctor has no way of knowing how a follicle is positioned underneath the skin. An unskilled FUE doctor can easily damage the donor.
![[image]](http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/img/uploaded/1_image712.jpg)
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HairSite
All Over,
03.11.2009, 11:07
@ garyg
|
What questions to ask during a consultation? |
Don't just go to one doctor. Try to schedule a consultation with as many doctors as possible. Where possible, you should meet some hair transplant patients and get their opinions as well.
Do NOT rush into anything. Give yourself at least 4-6 months to research thoroughly before making a decision.
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john35
03.11.2009, 21:24
@ Dr. Woods
|
THE MOST IMPORTANT |
» Well said, john 35
»
» Before ANY doctor pulls out his calculator, this needs to be understood.
»
» Otherwise, all the figures assurances promises are meaningless, as many
» already know.
»
» And most keep their silence through fear
»
» There was a famous , well publicised case here in Australia some years
» ago.
»
» A patient was butchered, took it to court, had his details and face all
» over the news, and lost.
»
» I am not sure, but I think he had to pay damages to the doctor
»
» And all because of a watertight disclaimer
»
» Dr Ray Woods
Yes Dr.Woods,alot of doctors love mathematics (and physics) but don't like to stay with their patient during major parts of the transplant.
I think that is relevant and material info that needs to be disclosed to patient.HT surgery is invasive procedure, it affect persons' bodies, comfort, and lives in very invasive and irreversible or long-lasting ways.I know that my self all too well. It is on my head.
The physical touching of a person's body without authorization or consent is an offense, often called assault in criminal law and battery in civil law directed toward compensation. The person's consent to the touching neutralizes or removes the offense.
Consent is an important concept in medical and related health care. Health care personnel act unethically, unprofessionally, and illegally if they directly interfere with a person's body without consent by undertaking unauthorized procedures on the person,exceeding consent the person has given, or performing procedures different from those the person has approved.
Is leaving the “surgical technicians” to perform the actual transplantation of hair follicles to the receptors when the doctor is not present, and the patient did not know that would be the case prior to signing that consent form, exceeding the consent that the patient gave? I think yes.
The consent must be adequately informed for it to satisfy legal and ethical standards. The doctor has a legal duty to ensure that the person whose consent is required receives information that is material to the choice whether or not to consent. Is the information that HT “surgical technicians” do not have formal medical training (if they don’t and it had been said on forums that it is established standard that they don’t)a material information? Is the physical absence of the HT doctor from the surgery room during the actual act of “transplant” material information? If it is why is not disclosed? If it is not material, why it isn’t?
Is telling THAT the prospective patient during consult a Reasonable effort that must be made to ensure that the person understands the information to his or her satisfaction. Because, that patient might not undergo such surgery if that info was disclosed to him .I know I certainly wouldn’t. The individual needs to be in possession of relevant facts.. and also of his reasoning faculties, such as being without an impairment of judgment at the time of consenting. Such impairments among other things might include, intoxication, etc.Do above mentioned medications given to patient prior to signing the consent form can cause such impairment?I think yes.
That kind of set up opens WIDE doors for PREDATOR HT doctors .Have any of you idea how much damage "surgical technicians"could do.SPECIALLY without direct supervision of the doctor and specially when they do not work for that HT Doctor full time.
And that rule IS ESTABLISHED And most of you here KNOW that because you had your hair transplant surgeries.
BECAUSE the way is set up, BUTCHERS can not be prosecuted, BECAUSE even the well established clinics with consistently good results, FOLLOW the same rules.
I will give you analogy
Drinking and driving is against the Law.We all know that.
Why?
Because it is proven that driving skills are impaired because the driver is drunk, thus prone to cause an accident.
NOW,DRUNKEN BOB is an excellent driver with excellent driving skills, and he is much better driver when drunk that, Steven who is 90 years old,grandpa following the speed limit, (even driving bellow the speed limit). Even that in reality that Grandpa is more likely to cause an accident, he is not going to get arrested, but DRUNKEN BOB will, Because statistically drinking does not improve driving skills but impairs them and THEREFORE to prevent harm and exposure to harm the lawmaker forbids drinking and driving
Now we have "Christopher" who is HT doctor with great skill, his surgical technicians are excellent too.
He knows that those surgical technicians even when he is not around will do their best and their best is top notch work.
Jeff is HT doctors with very bad skills and he has surgical technicians that also are very bad at what they do. They don't work for Jeff exclusively and don't care if Jeff is going to call them again to work for him or not. So they F****K the patients up because Jeff is not there in the surgical room to follow the progress and supervise them.
The patient is disfigured. He goes to Christopher and says....look this Jeff left me alone with his technicians and instead of 2000 grafts they put 200 all sparse and far apart...do you think Jeff breached his duty of care to me when he left me with those people unsupervised, I need your opinion because the courts think that there is such thing as Ethic in your field of practice and they request that I bring them in writing letter from another HT doctor that indeed Jeff did me wrong.
Christopher refuses, because, HE DOES THE SAME THING AS JEFF, which is leaving the surgical room for extended time,leaving his patient alone with the "surgical technicians".... Among HT doctors how many of them are Jeff and how many Christopher? What do you think? And, consequently how many patients would end up with Jeff's and how many with Christopher's?
THAT IS WHY the Law FORBIDS that surgeon abandons patient. Because STATISTICALLY patient left alone without the surgeon being present EXPOSES PATIENT TO HARM.Is leaving HT patient alone for hours when the transplantation of folicles is done in that doctors physical absence abandoning the patient?I don't know,but I would like to know,if the doctors here would kindly chime in and enlighten me.
The practice of drinking alcohol and driving is an example of this kind of arrangement. This risky behavior fortunately causes harm less often than it occurs. Persons who drink to the point of impairment or beyond and drive, but do not cause an accident as a result, are lucky. From a moral perspective, since it is only luck that separates members of the drinking drivers group who cause harm from members who do not, each member bears some degree of guilt and moral taint.
By aplied analogy to the questions I posted about specific conducts that harm or expose to harm patients,such as, leaving of patient in midle of surgery,delegating Physician duties to non med personel etc ...
It is the willingness here of Almost every one of the HT "Industry" to engage in behavior (like drink driving is) likely to cause harm (injury to patient,and/or adverse efect) that justifies liability for the whole group, and this group HT "Industry liability is independent of the additional individual liability of a particular doc " intentionaly violating patient rights to cut cost and expand profit, whose risky behavior actually results in harm (it could and it does).
Keep up the good work Dr.Woods. Things change. And the HT “standard of care” will change too, sooner or later. And people will remember the dark days and the disgraced majority and admire man like you who DIDN’T submit to the travesty just to make more bucks and be invited into “the club”
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-56014-page-3-category-2-order-last_answer.html
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pauly
03.11.2009, 23:07
@ john35
|
THE MOST IMPORTANT |
This I totally agree, it makes me sick to my stomach that doctors charge a fortune and they turn around and let some $10 an hour technician work on me, talk about a business with huge profit margin!
» » Well said, john 35
» »
» » Before ANY doctor pulls out his calculator, this needs to be
» understood.
» »
» » Otherwise, all the figures assurances promises are meaningless, as many
» » already know.
» »
» » And most keep their silence through fear
» »
» » There was a famous , well publicised case here in Australia some years
» » ago.
» »
» » A patient was butchered, took it to court, had his details and face all
» » over the news, and lost.
» »
» » I am not sure, but I think he had to pay damages to the doctor
» »
» » And all because of a watertight disclaimer
» »
» » Dr Ray Woods
»
» Yes Dr.Woods,alot of doctors love mathematics (and physics) but don't like
» to stay with their patient during major parts of the transplant.
»
» I think that is relevant and material info that needs to be disclosed to
» patient.HT surgery is invasive procedure, it affect persons' bodies,
» comfort, and lives in very invasive and irreversible or long-lasting ways.I
» know that my self all too well. It is on my head.
»
» The physical touching of a person's body without authorization or consent
» is an offense, often called assault in criminal law and battery in civil
» law directed toward compensation. The person's consent to the touching
» neutralizes or removes the offense.
» Consent is an important concept in medical and related health care. Health
» care personnel act unethically, unprofessionally, and illegally if they
» directly interfere with a person's body without consent by undertaking
» unauthorized procedures on the person,exceeding consent the person has
» given, or performing procedures different from those the person has
» approved.
»
» Does leaving the “surgical technicians” to perform the actual
» transplantation of hair follicles to the receptors when the doctor is not
» present, and the patient did not know that would be the case prior to
» signing that consent form, exceeding the consent that the patient
» gave? I think yes.
» The consent must be adequately informed for it to satisfy legal and
» ethical standards. The doctor has a legal duty to ensure that the person
» whose consent is required receives information that is material to the
» choice whether or not to consent. Is the information that HT “surgical
» technicians” do not have formal medical training (if they don’t and it had
» been said on forums that it is established standard that they don’t)a
» material information? Is the physical absence of the HT doctor from the
» surgery room during the actual act of “transplant” material information?
» If it is why is not disclosed? If it is not, why it isn’t?
»
» Is telling THAT the prospective patient during consult a
» Reasonable effort that must also be made to ensure that the person
» understands the information to his or her satisfaction. Because, that
» patient might not undergo such surgery if that info was disclosed to him .I
» know I certainly wouldn’t. The individual needs to be in possession of
» relevant facts.. and also of his reasoning faculties, such as being
» without an impairment of judgment at the time of consenting. Such
» impairments among other things might include, intoxication, etc.Do above
» mentioned medications given to patient prior to signing the consent form
» can cause such impairment?I think yes.
»
» That kind of set up opens WIDE doors for PREDATOR HT doctors .Have any of
» you idea how much damage "surgical technicians"could do.SPECIALLY without
» direct supervision of the doctor and specially when they do not work for
» that HT Doctor full time.
»
» And that rule IS ESTABLISHED And most of you here KNOW that because you
» had your hair transplant surgeries.
»
» BECAUSE the way is set up, BUTCHERS can not be prosecuted, BECAUSE even
» the well established clinics with consistently good results, FOLLOW the
» same rules.
»
» I will give you analogy
»
» Drinking and driving is against the Law.We all know that.
»
» Why?
»
» Because it is proven that driving skills are impaired because the driver
» is drunk, thus prone to cause an accident.
»
» NOW,DRUNKEN BOB is an excellent driver with excellent driving skills, and
» he is much better driver when drunk that, Steven who is 90 years
» old,grandpa following the speed limit, (even driving bellow the speed
» limit). Even that in reality that Grandpa is more likely to cause an
» accident, he is not going to get arrested, but DRUNKEN BOB will, Because
» statistically drinking does not improve driving skills but impairs them and
» THEREFORE to prevent harm and exposure to harm the lawmaker forbids
» drinking and driving
» Now we have "Christopher" who is HT doctor with great skill, his surgical
» technicians are excellent too.
» He knows that those surgical technicians even when he is not around will
» do their best and their best is top notch work.
»
» Jeff is HT doctors with very bad skills and he has surgical technicians
» that also are very bad at what they do. They don't work for Jeff
» exclusively and don't care if Jeff is going to call them again to work for
» him or not. So they F****K the patients up because Jeff is not there in the
» surgical room to follow the progress and supervise them.
»
» The patient is disfigured. He goes to Christopher and says....look this
» Jeff left me alone with his technicians and instead of 2000 grafts they put
» 200 all sparse and far apart...do you think Jeff breached his duty of care
» to me when he left me with those people unsupervised, I need your opinion
» because the courts think that there is such thing as Ethic in your field of
» practice and they request that I bring them in writing letter from another
» HT doctor that indeed Jeff did me wrong.
»
» Christopher refuses, because, HE DOES THE SAME THING AS JEFF, which is
» leaving the surgical room for extended time,leaving his patient alone with
» the "surgical technicians".... Among HT doctors how many of them are Jeff
» and how many Christopher? What do you think? And, consequently how many
» patients would end up with Jeff's and how many with Christopher's?
»
» THAT IS WHY the Law FORBIDS that surgeon abandons patient. Because
» STATISTICALLY patient left alone without the surgeon being present EXPOSES
» PATIENT TO HARM.Is leaving HT patient alone for hours when the
» transplantation of folicles is done in that doctors physical absence
» abandoning the patient?I don't know,but I would like to know,if the doctors
» here would kindly chime in and enlighten me.
»
» The practice of drinking alcohol and driving is an example of this kind of
» arrangement. This risky behavior fortunately causes harm less often than it
» occurs. Persons who drink to the point of impairment or beyond and drive,
» but do not cause an accident as a result, are lucky. From a moral
» perspective, since it is only luck that separates members of the drinking
» drivers group who cause harm from members who do not, each member bears
» some degree of guilt and moral taint.
»
» By aplied analogy to the questions I posted about specific conducts that
» harm or expose to harm patients,such as, leaving of patient in midle of
» surgery,delegating Physician duties to non med personel etc ...
»
» It is the willingness here of Almost every one of the HT "Industry"
» to engage in behavior (like drink driving is) likely to cause harm (injury
» to patient,and/or adverse efect) that justifies liability for the whole
» group, and this group HT "Industry liability is independent of the
» additional individual liability of a particular doc " intentionaly
» violating patient rights to cut cost and expand profit, whose risky
» behavior actually results in harm (it could and it does).
»
»
» Keep up the good work Dr.Woods. Things change. And the HT “standard of
» care” will change too, sooner or later. And people will remember the dark
» days and the disgraced majority and admire man like you who DIDN’T submit
» to the travesty just to make more bucks and be invited into “the club”
»
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-56014-page-3-category-2-order-last_answer.html
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garyg
04.11.2009, 15:54
@ garyg
|
What questions to ask during a consultation? |
Hello my friends, I had my consultation! will I get into trouble for disclosing the name of the clinic in a public forum? Anyway, thanks for everyone's advice, I asked some good questions (I think), contrary to what Pauly said, I did meet with a doctor, well I was greeted by a consultant first and after he filled out a questionnaire with me and asked me some general questions the doctor came in and finished off the rest of the consultation with me, I don't know why but I am actually more nervous about getting a hair transplant now that I had my consultation, it probably has nothing to do with the doctor whom I met but more because of the posts I read on this board. I was quoted 1500 grafts to fill in both wedges of my temples, neither the doctor nor the consultant said a word about legal forms or disclaimer, the consultant went over the post op instructions with me verbally and he said the details will be included in a package for me to take home when I am ready to book an appointment for the surgery, I think overall it was a good experience especially when the consultation was free of chrage 
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john35
04.11.2009, 16:56
@ garyg
|
What questions to ask during a consultation? |
» Hello my friends, I had my consultation! will I get into trouble for
» disclosing the name of the clinic in a public forum? Anyway, thanks for
» everyone's advice, I asked some good questions (I think), contrary to what
» Pauly said, I did meet with a doctor, well I was greeted by a consultant
» first and after he filled out a questionnaire with me and asked me some
» general questions the doctor came in and finished off the rest of the
» consultation with me, I don't know why but I am actually more nervous about
» getting a hair transplant now that I had my consultation, it probably has
» nothing to do with the doctor whom I met but more because of the posts I
» read on this board. I was quoted 1500 grafts to fill in both wedges of my
» temples, neither the doctor nor the consultant said a word about legal
» forms or disclaimer, the consultant went over the post op instructions with
» me verbally and he said the details will be included in a package for me to
» take home when I am ready to book an appointment for the surgery, I think
» overall it was a good experience especially when the consultation was free
» of chrage
I personally don't know who is the doctor and I personally don't want to know . I am glad you had a good experience. I didn't know you wanted the posts on this thread to be written in a way to make you comfortable or less nervous. I apologize to you if my post made you uncomfortable or nervous. I thought you asked what we think are good questions to ask during HT consult. Please forgive me for thinking that. I would have written something else to make you feel very comfortable if I had known that was the purpose of the question. Thus, disregard my opinion about what are relevant questions to ask during consult. Best wishes.
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CP
05.11.2009, 11:43
@ garyg
|
What questions to ask during a consultation? |
» Hello my friends, I had my consultation! will I get into trouble for
» disclosing the name of the clinic in a public forum? Anyway, thanks for
» everyone's advice, I asked some good questions (I think), contrary to what
» Pauly said, I did meet with a doctor, well I was greeted by a consultant
» first and after he filled out a questionnaire with me and asked me some
» general questions the doctor came in and finished off the rest of the
» consultation with me, I don't know why but I am actually more nervous about
» getting a hair transplant now that I had my consultation, it probably has
» nothing to do with the doctor whom I met but more because of the posts I
» read on this board. I was quoted 1500 grafts to fill in both wedges of my
» temples, neither the doctor nor the consultant said a word about legal
» forms or disclaimer, the consultant went over the post op instructions with
» me verbally and he said the details will be included in a package for me to
» take home when I am ready to book an appointment for the surgery, I think
» overall it was a good experience especially when the consultation was free
» of chrage
I want to know who s the doctor?
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john35
06.11.2009, 06:51
@ Dr. Arvind
|
What questions to ask during a consultation? |
» The patient may think he will get hair over all areas and the doctor plans
» to realistically provide a frontal framing with deeply recessed temples and
» a bald crown. (Thats where the term "realistic expectations" comes
» from).
»
» Today, that should not happen. As an aware patient you should know what a
» particular number of grafts can acheive for you before you go for
» your first hairtransplant.
»
» Discuss these things with your doctor.
» Regards,
» Dr. A
What does an "aware" patient mean?I personally have positive feeling of esteem for a person or other entity ,untill I find good and sufficient reason to believe otherwise.That was the case for my regard for the doctors too.You see,I didn't know I had to be "aware" patient.Too bad people have to be aware not to get .........(please put here aware of what) by a doctor,don't you think Dr.A?
I think that saying "aware" patient is not punctiliously exact when the word "aware" alone does not explain to us,in how we should be aware before we go and see doctor, if we use a standard of what a reasonable person would think is right or proper in this instance to consider being aware when interacting with a doctor.Aware of what?
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Dr. Arvind
New Delhi, India,
06.11.2009, 07:05
@ john35
|
The "aware" patient |
» What does an "aware" patient mean?I personally have positive feeling of
» esteem for a person or other entity ,untill I find good and sufficient
» reason to believe otherwise.That was the case for my regard for the doctors
» too.You see,I didn't know I had to be "aware" patient.Too bad people have
» to be aware not to get .........(please put here aware of what) by a
» doctor,don't you think Dr.A?
»
» I think that saying "aware" patient is not punctiliously exact when the
» word "aware" alone does not explain to us,in how we should be aware before
» we go and see doctor, if we use a standard of what a reasonable person
» would think is right or proper in this instance to consider being aware
» when interacting with a doctor.Aware of what?
Dear john35,
That is a very good question. Unlike other fields of medicine, hair transplant has two peculiarities :
1. Hair transplants are not essential. Hairloss is not a life or death ailment where the doctor prescribes the treatment and the patient is expected to take it. In hair transplants, the patient has to be aware of the limitations of the treatment. And to be aware of the fact that he can choose not to go for the treatment and still lead a healthy life.
2. The patient has to be aware that unlike other fields of medicine, doctors neither need to have a indepth training to be called a hair transplant doctor, nor, in most instances, do they have access to such training.
A simple example : If your child is ill, you can be pretty sure to find a qualified paediatrician in your city. The paediatrician will have a certain minimum level of training and ability.
You do not need to do an online research for a suitable paediatrician. But for a hair transplant doctor, you require that level of research or awareness to make sure you are going
a). to the right individual
b). to get the correct advise.
Regards,
Dr. A
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06.11.2009, 10:39
@ HairSite
|
What questions to ask during a consultation? |
» Don't just go to one doctor. Try to schedule a consultation with as many
» doctors as possible. Where possible, you should meet some hair transplant
» patients and get their opinions as well.
»
» Do NOT rush into anything. Give yourself at least 4-6 months to research
» thoroughly before making a decision.
I agree with what Hairsite said. When i was researching my hair transplant Dr. Armani was at the top of my list, but I also had 3 other doctors I was considering. I sent in my photos to 4 different doctors so I could compare their evaluations. I wanted to see the different clinic's strategies.
I felt it helped me make a more educated decision.
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garyg
06.11.2009, 14:05
@ john35
|
What questions to ask during a consultation? |
» » Hello my friends, I had my consultation! will I get into trouble for
» » disclosing the name of the clinic in a public forum? Anyway, thanks
» for
» » everyone's advice, I asked some good questions (I think), contrary to
» what
» » Pauly said, I did meet with a doctor, well I was greeted by a
» consultant
» » first and after he filled out a questionnaire with me and asked me some
» » general questions the doctor came in and finished off the rest of the
» » consultation with me, I don't know why but I am actually more nervous
» about
» » getting a hair transplant now that I had my consultation, it probably
» has
» » nothing to do with the doctor whom I met but more because of the posts
» I
» » read on this board. I was quoted 1500 grafts to fill in both wedges of
» my
» » temples, neither the doctor nor the consultant said a word about legal
» » forms or disclaimer, the consultant went over the post op instructions
» with
» » me verbally and he said the details will be included in a package for me
» to
» » take home when I am ready to book an appointment for the surgery, I
» think
» » overall it was a good experience especially when the consultation was
» free
» » of chrage
»
»
» I personally don't know who is the doctor and I personally don't want to
» know . I am glad you had a good experience. I didn't know you wanted the
» posts on this thread to be written in a way to make you comfortable or less
» nervous. I apologize to you if my post made you uncomfortable or nervous. I
» thought you asked what we think are good questions to ask during HT
» consult. Please forgive me for thinking that. I would have written
» something else to make you feel very comfortable if I had known that was
» the purpose of the question. Thus, disregard my opinion about what are
» relevant questions to ask during consult. Best wishes.
Yeah you should apologize, you think everything is about YOU? When did I ever say that it was your posts that made me nervous about getting a hair transplant? Someone wrote something and you immediately think that it has to be about you. Narcissistic freak! Apparently there are a lot of nut cases and politics here, you are right, I shouldn't mention any names in case someone kills himself over that.
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john35
06.11.2009, 15:47
@ garyg
|
What questions to ask during a consultation? |
» » » Hello my friends, I had my consultation! will I get into trouble for
» » » disclosing the name of the clinic in a public forum? Anyway, thanks
» » for
» » » everyone's advice, I asked some good questions (I think), contrary to
» » what
» » » Pauly said, I did meet with a doctor, well I was greeted by a
» » consultant
» » » first and after he filled out a questionnaire with me and asked me
» some
» » » general questions the doctor came in and finished off the rest of the
» » » consultation with me, I don't know why but I am actually more nervous
» » about
» » » getting a hair transplant now that I had my consultation, it probably
» » has
» » » nothing to do with the doctor whom I met but more because of the
» posts
» » I
» » » read on this board. I was quoted 1500 grafts to fill in both wedges
» of
» » my
» » » temples, neither the doctor nor the consultant said a word about
» legal
» » » forms or disclaimer, the consultant went over the post op
» instructions
» » with
» » » me verbally and he said the details will be included in a package for
» me
» » to
» » » take home when I am ready to book an appointment for the surgery, I
» » think
» » » overall it was a good experience especially when the consultation was
» » free
» » » of chrage
» »
» »
» » I personally don't know who is the doctor and I personally don't want
» to
» » know . I am glad you had a good experience. I didn't know you wanted
» the
» » posts on this thread to be written in a way to make you comfortable or
» less
» » nervous. I apologize to you if my post made you uncomfortable or
» nervous. I
» » thought you asked what we think are good questions to ask during HT
» » consult. Please forgive me for thinking that. I would have written
» » something else to make you feel very comfortable if I had known that
» was
» » the purpose of the question. Thus, disregard my opinion about what are
» » relevant questions to ask during consult. Best wishes.
»
» Yeah you should apologize, you think everything is about YOU? When did I
» ever say that it was your posts that made me nervous about getting a hair
» transplant? Someone wrote something and you immediately think that it has
» to be about you. Narcissistic freak! Apparently there are a lot of nut
» cases and politics here, you are right, I shouldn't mention any names in
» case someone kills himself over that.
I didn't say it had to be about my post, but just in case if my post was one of those that made you more nervous and uncomfortable. I said if.
For the rest of what you wrote ,I have no comment. You now take care and Best wishes
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john35
06.11.2009, 15:59
@ Dr. Arvind
|
The "aware" patient |
» » What does an "aware" patient mean?I personally have positive feeling of
» » esteem for a person or other entity ,untill I find good and sufficient
» » reason to believe otherwise.That was the case for my regard for the
» doctors
» » too.You see,I didn't know I had to be "aware" patient.Too bad people
» have
» » to be aware not to get .........(please put here aware of what) by a
» » doctor,don't you think Dr.A?
» »
» » I think that saying "aware" patient is not punctiliously exact when
» the
» » word "aware" alone does not explain to us,in how we should be aware
» before
» » we go and see doctor, if we use a standard of what a reasonable person
» » would think is right or proper in this instance to consider being aware
» » when interacting with a doctor.Aware of what?
»
» Dear john35,
» That is a very good question. Unlike other fields of medicine, hair
» transplant has two peculiarities :
» 1. Hair transplants are not essential. Hairloss is not a life or death
» ailment where the doctor prescribes the treatment and the patient is
» expected to take it. In hair transplants, the patient has to be
» aware of the limitations of the treatment. And to be aware of
» the fact that he can choose not to go for the treatment and still lead a
» healthy life.
»
» 2. The patient has to be aware that unlike other fields of
» medicine, doctors neither need to have a indepth training to be called a
» hair transplant doctor, nor, in most instances, do they have access to such
» training.
»
» A simple example : If your child is ill, you can be pretty sure to find a
» qualified paediatrician in your city. The paediatrician will have a certain
» minimum level of training and ability.
» You do not need to do an online research for a suitable paediatrician. But
» for a hair transplant doctor, you require that level of research or
» awareness to make sure you are going
» a). to the right individual
» b). to get the correct advise.
»
» Regards,
» Dr. A
I see.
Thank you Dr.A.
Still,too bad that is the case.
Perhaps something can be done this reality to be improved?
And we all, when we want to find Ht doctor to do surgery on us, will not have to do online research but we will be rest assured to find a qualified HT Doc without the “awareness” and such research
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Dr. Woods
Australia,
09.11.2009, 22:55
@ john35
|
Dr Ray Woods Declaration of Patients Rights |
FYI, this was first published in 2000 and is what we base the principals of our practice on.
Wendy Roche
Clinical Consultant to Dr Ray Woods
PH: +612 9560 0111
www.woodstechnique.com.au
The Woods Technique
List of Patient's Rights
These are the principals upon which The Woods Technique has been built. It is our profound hope that one day; this document will be the standard by which all doctors in the industry abide.
1. No Strip Excision to be performed or offered by the clinic
2. No assistants. Only a 1 to 1 doctor patient ratio:
The day a patient decides to alter their appearance via hair transplantation is one of the most important days in their life. They deserve the absolute attention of a skilled micro surgeon throughout the entire removal and placement of every follicle.
3. No unfair legal disclaimer:
This allows lawyers to defend the indefensible results of poor surgery.
4. All doctors are to be fully trained, assessed and accredited according to a strict code of conduct, ethics and ability:
All surgery is to be performed according to highly skilled microsurgical standards and discipline.
5. Patient interaction and intra-operative monitoring of follicular placement
6. Largest instrument to be used for follicular placement in normal skin is a 21 gauge hypodermic needle
7. Random intra operative video assessment of follicular removal from the donor site verifying transaction rate directly to the patient if requested
8 Donor Site Conservation and Protection:
Avoidance of follicular damage due to incorrect technique, inexperience and production line mentality
9 No intravenous sedation/analgesia
The patient should be aware, lucid, fully informed and interacting during the procedure. Drugs that significantly affect the patients’ ability to make decisions and interact must not be used.
10. Do No Harm
None of the above are subject to compromise.
Dr Ray Woods
Founder of The Woods Technique
Dr. Woods is located in AUSTRALIA and he is available to meet: YES
email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting. |
slashed
10.11.2009, 01:46
@ Dr. Woods
|
Dr Ray Woods Declaration of Patients Rights |
Point # 7, can you explain? How do you verify transection rate and what about the video assessment, how does that work?
» FYI, this was first published in 2000 and is what we base the principals of
» our practice on.
»
» Wendy Roche
» Clinical Consultant to Dr Ray Woods
» PH: +612 9560 0111
» www.woodstechnique.com.au
»
» The Woods Technique
» List of Patient's Rights
»
» These are the principals upon which The Woods Technique has been built. It
» is our profound hope that one day; this document will be the standard by
» which all doctors in the industry abide.
»
» 1. No Strip Excision to be performed or offered by the clinic
»
» 2. No assistants. Only a 1 to 1 doctor patient ratio:
» The day a patient decides to alter their appearance via hair
» transplantation is one of the most important days in their life. They
» deserve the absolute attention of a skilled micro surgeon throughout the
» entire removal and placement of every follicle.
»
» 3. No unfair legal disclaimer:
» This allows lawyers to defend the indefensible results of poor surgery.
»
» 4. All doctors are to be fully trained, assessed and accredited according
» to a strict code of conduct, ethics and ability:
» All surgery is to be performed according to highly skilled microsurgical
» standards and discipline.
»
» 5. Patient interaction and intra-operative monitoring of follicular
» placement
»
» 6. Largest instrument to be used for follicular placement in normal skin
» is a 21 gauge hypodermic needle
»
» 7. Random intra operative video assessment of follicular removal from the
» donor site verifying transaction rate directly to the patient if requested
»
» 8 Donor Site Conservation and Protection:
» Avoidance of follicular damage due to incorrect technique, inexperience
» and production line mentality
»
» 9 No intravenous sedation/analgesia
» The patient should be aware, lucid, fully informed and interacting during
» the procedure. Drugs that significantly affect the patients’ ability to
» make decisions and interact must not be used.
»
» 10. Do No Harm
» None of the above are subject to compromise.
»
»
» Dr Ray Woods
» Founder of The Woods Technique
slashed is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
JeepGuy
10.11.2009, 10:42
@ john35
|
The "aware" patient |
» » » What does an "aware" patient mean?I personally have positive feeling
» of
» » » esteem for a person or other entity ,untill I find good and
» sufficient
» » » reason to believe otherwise.That was the case for my regard for the
» » doctors
» » » too.You see,I didn't know I had to be "aware" patient.Too bad people
» » have
» » » to be aware not to get .........(please put here aware of what) by a
» » » doctor,don't you think Dr.A?
» » »
» » » I think that saying "aware" patient is not punctiliously exact when
» » the
» » » word "aware" alone does not explain to us,in how we should be aware
» » before
» » » we go and see doctor, if we use a standard of what a reasonable
» person
» » » would think is right or proper in this instance to consider being
» aware
» » » when interacting with a doctor.Aware of what?
» »
» » Dear john35,
» » That is a very good question. Unlike other fields of medicine, hair
» » transplant has two peculiarities :
» » 1. Hair transplants are not essential. Hairloss is not a life or death
» » ailment where the doctor prescribes the treatment and the patient is
» » expected to take it. In hair transplants, the patient has to be
» » aware of the limitations of the treatment. And to be aware
» of
» » the fact that he can choose not to go for the treatment and still lead
» a
» » healthy life.
» »
» » 2. The patient has to be aware that unlike other fields of
» » medicine, doctors neither need to have a indepth training to be called
» a
» » hair transplant doctor, nor, in most instances, do they have access to
» such
» » training.
» »
» » A simple example : If your child is ill, you can be pretty sure to find
» a
» » qualified paediatrician in your city. The paediatrician will have a
» certain
» » minimum level of training and ability.
» » You do not need to do an online research for a suitable paediatrician.
» But
» » for a hair transplant doctor, you require that level of research or
» » awareness to make sure you are going
» » a). to the right individual
» » b). to get the correct advise.
» »
» » Regards,
» » Dr. A
»
» I see.
»
» Thank you Dr.A.
»
» Still,too bad that is the case.
»
» Perhaps something can be done this reality to be improved?
»
» And we all, when we want to find Ht doctor to do surgery on us, will not
» have to do online research but we will be rest assured to find a qualified
» HT Doc without the “awareness” and such research
It's pretty naive to think that the problem is limited to the HT industry only. Research is a must for all medical treatments, there are just as many bad pediatricians, oncologists, chiropractors, etc etc out there.
JeepGuy is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
readyfreddy
10.11.2009, 14:20
@ Dr. Woods
|
Dr Ray Woods Declaration of Patients Rights |
» FYI, this was first published in 2000 and is what we base the principals of
» our practice on.
»
» Wendy Roche
» Clinical Consultant to Dr Ray Woods
» PH: +612 9560 0111
» www.woodstechnique.com.au
»
» The Woods Technique
» List of Patient's Rights
»
» These are the principals upon which The Woods Technique has been built. It
» is our profound hope that one day; this document will be the standard by
» which all doctors in the industry abide.
»
» 1. No Strip Excision to be performed or offered by the clinic
»
» 2. No assistants. Only a 1 to 1 doctor patient ratio:
» The day a patient decides to alter their appearance via hair
» transplantation is one of the most important days in their life. They
» deserve the absolute attention of a skilled micro surgeon throughout the
» entire removal and placement of every follicle.
»
» 3. No unfair legal disclaimer:
» This allows lawyers to defend the indefensible results of poor surgery.
»
» 4. All doctors are to be fully trained, assessed and accredited according
» to a strict code of conduct, ethics and ability:
» All surgery is to be performed according to highly skilled microsurgical
» standards and discipline.
»
» 5. Patient interaction and intra-operative monitoring of follicular
» placement
»
» 6. Largest instrument to be used for follicular placement in normal skin
» is a 21 gauge hypodermic needle
»
» 7. Random intra operative video assessment of follicular removal from the
» donor site verifying transaction rate directly to the patient if requested
»
» 8 Donor Site Conservation and Protection:
» Avoidance of follicular damage due to incorrect technique, inexperience
» and production line mentality
»
» 9 No intravenous sedation/analgesia
» The patient should be aware, lucid, fully informed and interacting during
» the procedure. Drugs that significantly affect the patients’ ability to
» make decisions and interact must not be used.
»
» 10. Do No Harm
» None of the above are subject to compromise.
»
»
» Dr Ray Woods
» Founder of The Woods Technique
Dr. Woods, it sounds good and it looks even better on paper, but that's as far as this declaration goes IMHO. I need to see results bcause in the end that's what really matters. You have to realize that any doctor can come up with a list like yours to glorify his work but if you don't back it up with the "goods", then it's just talk, don't you agree? The truth is that you don't post patient results anymore these days and that s not a good sign.
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john35
10.11.2009, 21:12
@ JeepGuy
|
The "aware" patient |
» » » » What does an "aware" patient mean?I personally have positive
» feeling
» » of
» » » » esteem for a person or other entity ,untill I find good and
» » sufficient
» » » » reason to believe otherwise.That was the case for my regard for the
» » » doctors
» » » » too.You see,I didn't know I had to be "aware" patient.Too bad
» people
» » » have
» » » » to be aware not to get .........(please put here aware of what) by
» a
» » » » doctor,don't you think Dr.A?
» » » »
» » » » I think that saying "aware" patient is not punctiliously exact
» when
» » » the
» » » » word "aware" alone does not explain to us,in how we should be aware
» » » before
» » » » we go and see doctor, if we use a standard of what a reasonable
» » person
» » » » would think is right or proper in this instance to consider being
» » aware
» » » » when interacting with a doctor.Aware of what?
» » »
» » » Dear john35,
» » » That is a very good question. Unlike other fields of medicine, hair
» » » transplant has two peculiarities :
» » » 1. Hair transplants are not essential. Hairloss is not a life or
» death
» » » ailment where the doctor prescribes the treatment and the patient is
» » » expected to take it. In hair transplants, the patient has to be
» » » aware of the limitations of the treatment. And to be
» aware
» » of
» » » the fact that he can choose not to go for the treatment and still
» lead
» » a
» » » healthy life.
» » »
» » » 2. The patient has to be aware that unlike other fields of
» » » medicine, doctors neither need to have a indepth training to be
» called
» » a
» » » hair transplant doctor, nor, in most instances, do they have access
» to
» » such
» » » training.
» » »
» » » A simple example : If your child is ill, you can be pretty sure to
» find
» » a
» » » qualified paediatrician in your city. The paediatrician will have a
» » certain
» » » minimum level of training and ability.
» » » You do not need to do an online research for a suitable
» paediatrician.
» » But
» » » for a hair transplant doctor, you require that level of research or
» » » awareness to make sure you are going
» » » a). to the right individual
» » » b). to get the correct advise.
» » »
» » » Regards,
» » » Dr. A
» »
» » I see.
» »
» » Thank you Dr.A.
» »
» » Still,too bad that is the case.
» »
» » Perhaps something can be done this reality to be improved?
» »
» » And we all, when we want to find Ht doctor to do surgery on us, will
» not
» » have to do online research but we will be rest assured to find a
» qualified
» » HT Doc without the “awareness” and such research
»
» It's pretty naive to think that the problem is limited to the HT industry
» only. Research is a must for all medical treatments, there are just as many
» bad pediatricians, oncologists, chiropractors, etc etc out there.
Maybe it is not limited to the HT Industry only, but what that has to do with anything? What you say is just a transition from a specific topic addressing specific argumentation (or a problem as you admitted your self) to completely other thing, some avenue of conformity filled with desire of many to avoid controversy at all costs….HT Industry is not the only one….it is all medical treatments…everyone is doing it etc etc. This is not refutation .That is called fallacy of popular appeal. argumentum ad populum
If your reply is to me ,then,for the record, I did not say it is limited to the HT Industry only.So,I am not naïve,but I don't think that has to be limited to the HT Industry only for the problem to be addressed.
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john35
10.11.2009, 21:28
@ JeepGuy
|
The "aware" patient |
» only. Research is a must for all medical treatments, there are just as many
» bad pediatricians, oncologists, chiropractors, etc etc out there.
Why is research a must for a person who was raised to trust doctors, who was taught in school to trust doctors, who never before encountered wrongdoing of a doctor?
Why an ordinary, average ,person, unaware of this kind of forums, who wishes to get this widely advertised HT ,has to be aware of anything and has to do researches online? Specially when HT is advertised as non invasive ,almost like going to a dentist? Do you do online research of forums before you go to a dentist?
john35 is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
JeepGuy
10.11.2009, 22:02
@ john35
|
The "aware" patient |
» » only. Research is a must for all medical treatments, there are just as
» many
» » bad pediatricians, oncologists, chiropractors, etc etc out there.
»
» Why is research a must for a person who was raised to trust doctors, who
» was taught in school to trust doctors, who never before encountered
» wrongdoing of a doctor?
»
» Why an ordinary, average ,person, unaware of this kind of forums, who
» wishes to get this widely advertised HT ,has to be aware of anything and
» has to do researches online? Specially when HT is advertised as non
» invasive ,almost like going to a dentist? Do you do online research of
» forums before you go to a dentist?
BINGO! I am not kidding you, as a matter of fact, I spent just as much time researching before I finally found a good dentist literally just last week. The last time I went to a dentist was 3 years ago, it was a nightmare, I wasn't even getting any major dental work done, just a plain old simple checkup and it turned into a horrifying experience. I was so badly treated by the last dentist that i decided to never see one again unless I found one with good reputation at a affordable price, it took me 3 years! I didn't just make this up, this is all true.
Do you live in the US ? I can understand why you feel that way if you are from another country.
JeepGuy is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
john35
10.11.2009, 22:31
@ JeepGuy
|
The "aware" patient |
» » » only. Research is a must for all medical treatments, there are just as
» » many
» » » bad pediatricians, oncologists, chiropractors, etc etc out there.
» »
» » Why is research a must for a person who was raised to trust doctors,
» who
» » was taught in school to trust doctors, who never before encountered
» » wrongdoing of a doctor?
» »
» » Why an ordinary, average ,person, unaware of this kind of forums, who
» » wishes to get this widely advertised HT ,has to be aware of anything
» and
» » has to do researches online? Specially when HT is advertised as non
» » invasive ,almost like going to a dentist? Do you do online research of
» » forums before you go to a dentist?
»
» BINGO! I am not kidding you, as a matter of fact, I spent just as much
» time researching before I finally found a good dentist literally just last
» week. The last time I went to a dentist was 3 years ago, it was a
» nightmare, I wasn't even getting any major dental work done, just a plain
» old simple checkup and it turned into a horrifying experience. I was so
» badly treated by the last dentist that i decided to never see one again
» unless I found one with good reputation at a affordable price, it took me 3
» years! I didn't just make this up, this is all true.
»
» Do you live in the US ? I can understand why you feel that way if you
» are from another country.
Yes Bingo, but for me, as you prove my point. You see, you had to get the “horrifying experience” and get "badly treated” BEFORE you decided to do research. Before that you were the ordinary, average, patient ,who did not think such research is a must. You were what most people are. Predispositioned, to trust doctors.
You see that presumption (that doctors will not do you wrong) is also a Legal presumption. If you bring claim in Court that doctor did you wrong and transgressed upon your rights you ALSO must bring affidavit of merit from another doctor who would state the claim has merit. It is a measure enacted to deter frivolous lawsuits. In fact the presumption that the doctors do not do wrong is so strong that, when a plaintiff in a medical liability lawsuit does not file an affidavit of merit with the complaint, the case may be dismissed.Why is then naive to trust doctors ? You trusted them before the horrifying experience didn't you? Why is there lack of regulation and enforcement AMONG doctors,their proffessional organizations,such is the ISHRS for example?Why must people be exposed to harm and learn the hard way? When those doctors have such exclusive protection by the lawmaker?
I live in the US now.I lived in many parts of Europe when I was younger
john35 is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
JeepGuy
10.11.2009, 23:18
@ john35
|
The "aware" patient |
» » » » only. Research is a must for all medical treatments, there are just
» as
» » » many
» » » » bad pediatricians, oncologists, chiropractors, etc etc out there.
» » »
» » » Why is research a must for a person who was raised to trust doctors,
» » who
» » » was taught in school to trust doctors, who never before encountered
» » » wrongdoing of a doctor?
» » »
» » » Why an ordinary, average ,person, unaware of this kind of forums, who
» » » wishes to get this widely advertised HT ,has to be aware of anything
» » and
» » » has to do researches online? Specially when HT is advertised as non
» » » invasive ,almost like going to a dentist? Do you do online research
» of
» » » forums before you go to a dentist?
» »
» » BINGO! I am not kidding you, as a matter of fact, I spent just as much
» » time researching before I finally found a good dentist literally just
» last
» » week. The last time I went to a dentist was 3 years ago, it was a
» » nightmare, I wasn't even getting any major dental work done, just a
» plain
» » old simple checkup and it turned into a horrifying experience. I was so
» » badly treated by the last dentist that i decided to never see one again
» » unless I found one with good reputation at a affordable price, it took
» me 3
» » years! I didn't just make this up, this is all true.
» »
» » Do you live in the US ? I can understand why you feel that way if you
» » are from another country.
»
» Yes Bingo, but for me, as you prove my point. You see, you had to get
» the “horrifying experience” and get "badly treated” BEFORE you decided to
» do research. Before that you were the ordinary, average, patient ,who did
» not think such research is a must. You were what most people are.
» Predispositioned, to trust doctors.
» You see that presumption (that doctors will not do you wrong) is also a
» Legal presumption. If you bring claim in Court that doctor did you wrong
» and transgressed upon your rights you ALSO must bring affidavit of merit
» from another doctor who would state the claim has merit. It is a measure
» enacted to deter frivolous lawsuits. In fact the presumption that the
» doctors do not do wrong is so strong that, when a plaintiff in a medical
» liability lawsuit does not file an affidavit of merit with the complaint,
» the case may be dismissed.Why is then naive to trust doctors ? You trusted
» them before the horrifying experience didn't you? Why is there lack of
» regulation and enforcement AMONG doctors,their proffessional
» organizations,such is the ISHRS for example?Why must people be exposed to
» harm and learn the hard way? When those doctors have such exclusive
» protection by the lawmaker?
»
» I live in the US now.I lived in many parts of Europe when I was younger
NO NO NO NO NO ! you are being presumptuous, I always research but doing your research doesn't mean that you will be guaranteed the best treatment, you simply reduce the chance of a bad experience, research can never totally eliminate the possibility of a horror story, you are taking my words out of context in order to suit your argument! What's wrong with you!
JeepGuy is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
john35
10.11.2009, 23:43
@ JeepGuy
|
The "aware" patient |
» » » » » only. Research is a must for all medical treatments, there are
» just
» » as
» » » » many
» » » » » bad pediatricians, oncologists, chiropractors, etc etc out there.
» » » »
» » » » Why is research a must for a person who was raised to trust
» doctors,
» » » who
» » » » was taught in school to trust doctors, who never before encountered
» » » » wrongdoing of a doctor?
» » » »
» » » » Why an ordinary, average ,person, unaware of this kind of forums,
» who
» » » » wishes to get this widely advertised HT ,has to be aware of
» anything
» » » and
» » » » has to do researches online? Specially when HT is advertised as non
» » » » invasive ,almost like going to a dentist? Do you do online research
» » of
» » » » forums before you go to a dentist?
» » »
» » » BINGO! I am not kidding you, as a matter of fact, I spent just as
» much
» » » time researching before I finally found a good dentist literally just
» » last
» » » week. The last time I went to a dentist was 3 years ago, it was a
» » » nightmare, I wasn't even getting any major dental work done, just a
» » plain
» » » old simple checkup and it turned into a horrifying experience. I was
» so
» » » badly treated by the last dentist that i decided to never see one
» again
» » » unless I found one with good reputation at a affordable price, it
» took
» » me 3
» » » years! I didn't just make this up, this is all true.
» » »
» » » Do you live in the US ? I can understand why you feel that way if
» you
» » » are from another country.
» »
» » Yes Bingo, but for me, as you prove my point. You see, you had to
» get
» » the “horrifying experience” and get "badly treated” BEFORE you decided
» to
» » do research. Before that you were the ordinary, average, patient ,who
» did
» » not think such research is a must. You were what most people are.
» » Predispositioned, to trust doctors.
» » You see that presumption (that doctors will not do you wrong) is also a
» » Legal presumption. If you bring claim in Court that doctor did you
» wrong
» » and transgressed upon your rights you ALSO must bring affidavit of
» merit
» » from another doctor who would state the claim has merit. It is a
» measure
» » enacted to deter frivolous lawsuits. In fact the presumption that the
» » doctors do not do wrong is so strong that, when a plaintiff in a
» medical
» » liability lawsuit does not file an affidavit of merit with the
» complaint,
» » the case may be dismissed.Why is then naive to trust doctors ? You
» trusted
» » them before the horrifying experience didn't you? Why is there lack of
» » regulation and enforcement AMONG doctors,their proffessional
» » organizations,such is the ISHRS for example?Why must people be exposed
» to
» » harm and learn the hard way? When those doctors have such exclusive
» » protection by the lawmaker?
» »
» » I live in the US now.I lived in many parts of Europe when I was younger
»
»
» NO NO NO NO NO ! you are being presumptuous, I always research but
» doing your research doesn't mean that you will be guaranteed the best
» treatment, you simply reduce the chance of a bad experience, research can
» never totally eliminate the possibility of a horror story, you are taking
» my words out of context in order to suit your argument! What's wrong with
» you!
If i told you what was wrong with me that would also must be in my own sided and prejudiced view, that it is inherent, and thus I can’t, and neither can anyone, even you, avoid IT. So please, you decide what is wrong with me. I just responded to your reply. I did not take out of context anything. You said this "I was
» so
» » » badly treated by the last dentist that i decided (cause)to never see one
» again
» » » unless (consequence)I found one with good reputation at a affordable price, it
» took
» » me 3
» » » years!
If you always did research, why did you decide, THEN ,to never see one again UNLESS….?
But regardless of this ,if you say that you always did research more power to you.I am sorry if I hurt your feelings.You are just a guy who always does research.
So your first research for the dentist you disliked so much was not so good eh? What did that research consist of? yellow pages? online Forums? What was the outcome of that first research? Why did you think, then, when you researched the first dentist that he was good? Was your second research for the new dentist different?
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slashed
11.11.2009, 10:47
@ john35
|
The "aware" patient |
» Why is research a must for a person who was raised to trust doctors, who
» was taught in school to trust doctors, who never before encountered
» wrongdoing of a doctor?
»
» Why an ordinary, average ,person, unaware of this kind of forums, who
» wishes to get this widely advertised HT ,has to be aware of anything and
» has to do researches online? Specially when HT is advertised as non
» invasive ,almost like going to a dentist? Do you do online research of
» forums before you go to a dentist?
What do you do when you need a doctor? You walk into any clinic that has a MD after someone's name?
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john35
11.11.2009, 19:03
@ slashed
|
The "aware" patient |
» » Why is research a must for a person who was raised to trust doctors, who
» » was taught in school to trust doctors, who never before encountered
» » wrongdoing of a doctor?
» »
» » Why an ordinary, average ,person, unaware of this kind of forums, who
» » wishes to get this widely advertised HT ,has to be aware of anything
» and
» » has to do researches online? Specially when HT is advertised as non
» » invasive ,almost like going to a dentist? Do you do online research of
» » forums before you go to a dentist?
»
» What do you do when you need a doctor? You walk into any clinic that has a
» MD after someone's name?
I used to do just that. Like most people do. And please don't find it so strange because the doctors you found with good reputation got the reputation BECAUSE most people act the way I did. TRUST THE DOCTORS A PRIORI.
Otherwise, now the reputable, would not have had any reputation , because they would have had no clients (who would go to them, a?) .The "naive" patients gave the rep that now the "aware" patient is using and calls the "naive" patients stupid. Those doctors, talking about some research and awareness, should be brought in the time when they just finished their med school and started their practice.Then, I would like to hear them preaching about research. What a joke. They mock the medical profession and you all are nodding with your heads. Doctor and businessmen is not and it shouldn’t be the same thing, period.The medical field is not regulated as a business
Now I don’t trust them. I will only go to a doctor if i really have to, and after I try all possible alternatives.
Now, my opinion of doctors is low.
john35 is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO |
john35
11.11.2009, 20:33
@ slashed
|
The "aware" patient |
» » Why is research a must for a person who was raised to trust doctors, who
» » was taught in school to trust doctors, who never before encountered
» » wrongdoing of a doctor?
» »
» » Why an ordinary, average ,person, unaware of this kind of forums, who
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Preaching to be “aware” patient in the context we speak of, is in essence urging us to adjust to the present state of things ,as though the adjustment in becoming the ‘aware” patient is good thing IN ITSELF. But if we are asked to adjust to something “BAD”, then the better we adjust, the worse we become.
A persuasive argument might be made, that in such instance we should be called maladjusted, but aware. It is because, the insect, the bird, the animal…- all are perfectly adjusted to their environment and their society. This is why animals have no history, but only repetitive biological process. The ant is thousand times more efficient, and better “adjusted” that we humans are-but no ant knows anything more, nor can do anything differently, than his grandfather.
It is because man continually questions the status quo,the state of things, which is evident in the chasm between aspiration and capacity, vision and performance, have there arisen all the distinctively human activities: scientific inquiry,” artistic creation “,philosophical speculation and there you have it…(the supporting contradiction of them all) Historical experience.
Historical CHANGE reminds us, adjusting to making changes is peculiar to man. Not the repetition of same thing over and over..
Man adjusts the environment, we are able to change and adapt external circumstances. Is preaching be aware all this doctors can say on their next ISHRS meeting?
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