commanderfink
05.11.2009, 09:39 |
Any reason to not do a bht test ? (Hair Transplant) |
I'm consulting with a doctor next week to do a sample bht test. Is there any reason not to do it. If it doesnt work then I will need to shave my head in a year or 2.
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blackjak
05.11.2009, 21:49
@ commanderfink
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Any reason to not do a bht test ? |
» I'm consulting with a doctor next week to do a sample bht test. Is there
» any reason not to do it. If it doesnt work then I will need to shave my
» head in a year or 2.
Do you have to pay for the bht test? I would go for it if there is no charge.
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fastforward
06.11.2009, 00:43
@ commanderfink
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Any reason to not do a bht test ? |
How many grafts are you doing? I don't understand why you have to shave your head in a year or two if it doesn't work, how bald are you now? I don't see how test bht can hurt.
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Pats205
06.11.2009, 10:44
@ fastforward
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Any reason to not do a bht test ? |
» How many grafts are you doing? I don't understand why you have to shave
» your head in a year or two if it doesn't work, how bald are you now? I
» don't see how test bht can hurt.
I think he feels that BHT is his only option, and if BHT is not an option then his last resort is shaving his head??
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Dr. Arvind
New Delhi, India,
08.11.2009, 07:52
@ commanderfink
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Any reason to not do a bht test ? |
» I'm consulting with a doctor next week to do a sample bht test. Is there
» any reason not to do it. If it doesnt work then I will need to shave my
» head in a year or 2.
Dear commanderfink,
I can not think of any reason. Best of luck. Let us know how everything goes.
regards,
Dr. A
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stephenl
UK,
10.11.2009, 06:53
@ Dr. Arvind
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Any reason to not do a bht test ? |
» » I'm consulting with a doctor next week to do a sample bht test. Is
» there
» » any reason not to do it. If it doesnt work then I will need to shave my
» » head in a year or 2.
»
» Dear commanderfink,
» I can not think of any reason. Best of luck. Let us know how everything
» goes.
» regards,
» Dr. A
Hi commanderfink, firstly I think doing a BHT Test is a good idea.
One caveat would be to remember that if you are on Proscar/Propecia or any DHT blocker then it can effect body hair. I was on Proscar back in 1998 and although it helped my scalp hair, I do recall a significant reduction of body hair, including beard. This is important as your body hair when transplanted is still body hair and needs DHT so it's a real balance that you need to achieve between trying to retain scalp hair with DHT blockers and not inhibiting body hair growrth.
I have been off Proscar for many years and am taking Saw Palmetto a natural DHT blocker and so far so good, i've got loads of good quality body hair again.
Testing is certainly important before going for a full blown Body Hair Transplant, you need to monitor the growth and quality of the hair before commiting to a bigger procedure.
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Skywalker
The Corridor of Uncertainty,
10.11.2009, 11:29
@ stephenl
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Any reason to not do a bht test ? |
I think a BHT test is a good idea but I would suggest the following:
Do not assume that if body hair from one part of the body grows well body hair from other parts of the body will necessarily grow well.
Do not assume that any change in the density planted during the test procedure and the real procedure will still mean the test will be valid - it won't.
Do not assume you will guarantee success by doing this, there are lots of variables (such as the techies that work on you might be different next time).
Not trying to put you off, just trying to be realistic.
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readyfreddy
10.11.2009, 13:52
@ stephenl
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Any reason to not do a bht test ? |
This could be the nail in the coffin for bht, it's also not a good sign when the most popular bht doctors (umar and arvind) seem to shy away from discussing this problem.
» One caveat would be to remember that if you are on Proscar/Propecia or any
» DHT blocker then it can effect body hair. I was on Proscar back in 1998 and
» although it helped my scalp hair, I do recall a significant reduction of
» body hair, including beard. This is important as your body hair when
» transplanted is still body hair and needs DHT so it's a real balance that
» you need to achieve between trying to retain scalp hair with DHT blockers
» and not inhibiting body hair growrth.
»
» I have been off Proscar for many years and am taking Saw Palmetto a
» natural DHT blocker and so far so good, i've got loads of good quality body
» hair again.
»
» Testing is certainly important before going for a full blown Body Hair
» Transplant, you need to monitor the growth and quality of the hair before
» commiting to a bigger procedure.
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Pats205
11.11.2009, 15:14
@ readyfreddy
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Any reason to not do a bht test ? |
» This could be the nail in the coffin for bht, it's also not a good sign
» when the most popular bht doctors (umar and arvind) seem to shy away from
» discussing this problem.
»
»
» » One caveat would be to remember that if you are on Proscar/Propecia or
» any
» » DHT blocker then it can effect body hair. I was on Proscar back in 1998
» and
» » although it helped my scalp hair, I do recall a significant reduction
» of
» » body hair, including beard. This is important as your body hair when
» » transplanted is still body hair and needs DHT so it's a real balance
» that
» » you need to achieve between trying to retain scalp hair with DHT
» blockers
» » and not inhibiting body hair growrth.
» »
» » I have been off Proscar for many years and am taking Saw Palmetto a
» » natural DHT blocker and so far so good, i've got loads of good quality
» body
» » hair again.
» »
» » Testing is certainly important before going for a full blown Body Hair
» » Transplant, you need to monitor the growth and quality of the hair
» before
» » commiting to a bigger procedure.
Strange, I have been on propecia for three years now and have seen no change what so ever in my Body hair. Maybe it happens to some and not others?
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hairtech_
Minneapolis,MN,
11.11.2009, 20:40
@ Skywalker
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Any reason to not do a bht test ? |
» I think a BHT test is a good idea but I would suggest the following:
»
» Do not assume that if body hair from one part of the body grows well body
» hair from other parts of the body will necessarily grow well.
»
» Do not assume that any change in the density planted during the test
» procedure and the real procedure will still mean the test will be valid -
» it won't.
»
» Do not assume you will guarantee success by doing this, there are lots of
» variables (such as the techies that work on you might be different next
» time).
»
» Not trying to put you off, just trying to be realistic.
Skywalker has given the best advice in this thread in my opinon. I have seen body hair work in a test but fail horribly in a meggasession. However I have witnessed a few select successes. The thing to realize is this: Dr. Woods has stated here... "What you see is what you get". And that means that the length of the hair on your chest, leg, etc., is what you will get when and IF... a big IF!... if it grows. Moreover, most body hair is in single haired grafts as well as having a lesser coarseness than scalp hair on average (this differs race to race). Single haired grafts are do not have the impact of 3 haired grafts, but you will be charged financially the same. Just do your research. 
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commanderfink
12.11.2009, 19:02
@ hairtech_
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Any reason to not do a bht test ? |
» » I think a BHT test is a good idea but I would suggest the following:
» »
» » Do not assume that if body hair from one part of the body grows well
» body
» » hair from other parts of the body will necessarily grow well.
» »
» » Do not assume that any change in the density planted during the test
» » procedure and the real procedure will still mean the test will be valid
» -
» » it won't.
» »
» » Do not assume you will guarantee success by doing this, there are lots
» of
» » variables (such as the techies that work on you might be different next
» » time).
» »
» » Not trying to put you off, just trying to be realistic.
»
»
» Skywalker has given the best advice in this thread in my opinon. I have
» seen body hair work in a test but fail horribly in a meggasession. However
» I have witnessed a few select successes. The thing to realize is this: Dr.
» Woods has stated here... "What you see is what you get". And that means
» that the length of the hair on your chest, leg, etc., is what you will get
» when and IF... a big IF!... if it grows. Moreover, most body hair is in
» single haired grafts as well as having a lesser coarseness than scalp hair
» on average (this differs race to race). Single haired grafts are do not
» have the impact of 3 haired grafts, but you will be charged financially the
» same. Just do your research.
Thats scary , you say body hair grow in the test but fail in the large session? was the megasession taken from the same area? who was the doc?
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hairtech_
Minneapolis,MN,
12.11.2009, 19:38
@ commanderfink
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Any reason to not do a bht test ? |
Commander,
Body hair has worked in some individuals but not all individuals. I have seen select cases that it worked in from Drs. Woods, Poswall, Harris, and Shapiro but no one can predict with confidence any predictability of the outcome of BHT. I have seen with my own eyes (not from the aforementioned physicians) 4 cases that were a complete failure. Every case was highly expensive to the patient.
In my opinion BHT should be the last resort. And it should be approached with caution.
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commanderfink
12.11.2009, 20:43
@ hairtech_
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Any reason to not do a bht test ? |
» Commander,
»
» Body hair has worked in some individuals but not all individuals. I have
» seen select cases that it worked in from Drs. Woods, Poswall, Harris, and
» Shapiro but no one can predict with confidence any predictability of the
» outcome of BHT. I have seen with my own eyes (not from the aforementioned
» physicians) 4 cases that were a complete failure. Every case was highly
» expensive to the patient.
»
» In my opinion BHT should be the last resort. And it should be approached
» with caution.
You posted that you've seen bht grow in test patch but fail during real session. can you elaborate on that?
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nthmainneighbor
12.11.2009, 21:28
@ commanderfink
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Any reason to not do a bht test ? |
Hairtech worked on a test area on my head. The grafts that didn't grow were the ones that were packed too tight. Dense planting doesn't seem to matter with some patients. The hair was planted about 3 years ago and is still growing. BH is a last resort. It works best for repairing scars and helping hide pluggy appearance of old style transplants.
A low density grafting approach was used after the test area results were evaluated. Right now my hairline and the frontal area looks 98% better. People don't stare at my hairline anymore...but, the back of my head looks bad. Bosley Medical group scarred it up pretty good. I'm saving for additional BH work to camoflage the shotgun scars.
As I have aged, I don't care so much about being bald in the back. I think a lot of you guys that are not in need of repair work just need to get over it. Work out, hold your head up high. Many women find bald men attractive. Of course some don't, so if you must, get some BH planted in the front (frontal baldness looks the worst) and cut your hair very short or shave. Carry yourself like a stud and the women will be all over you.
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fckhrls
12.11.2009, 21:36
@ nthmainneighbor
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Where do they take BH from? |
Just the chest, or do they take it from legs and arms as well? Why is it considered a "last resort"? Does it grow strangely? Does its only grow a few inches?
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kk
12.11.2009, 21:49
@ nthmainneighbor
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Any reason to not do a bht test ? |
» Hairtech worked on a test area on my head. The grafts that didn't grow were
» the ones that were packed too tight. Dense planting doesn't seem to matter
» with some patients. The hair was planted about 3 years ago and is still
» growing. BH is a last resort. It works best for repairing scars and helping
» hide pluggy appearance of old style transplants.
»
» A low density grafting approach was used after the test area results were
» evaluated. Right now my hairline and the frontal area looks 98% better.
» People don't stare at my hairline anymore...but, the back of my head looks
» bad. Bosley Medical group scarred it up pretty good. I'm saving for
» additional BH work to camoflage the shotgun scars.
»
» As I have aged, I don't care so much about being bald in the back. I think
» a lot of you guys that are not in need of repair work just need to get over
» it. Work out, hold your head up high. Many women find bald men attractive.
» Of course some don't, so if you must, get some BH planted in the front
» (frontal baldness looks the worst) and cut your hair very short or shave.
» Carry yourself like a stud and the women will be all over you.
nthmainneighbor are you using any finasteride products?
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hairtech_
Minneapolis,MN,
13.11.2009, 15:03
@ commanderfink
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Any reason to not do a bht test ? |
What ever the way the body hair looks on your body part... this will be the way it looks on your scalp... length, courseness and color. It will not change.
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john35
14.11.2009, 23:47
@ hairtech_
|
hairtech are you sure? |
» What ever the way the body hair looks on your body part... this will be the
» way it looks on your scalp... length, courseness and color. It will not
» change.
hello hairtech
On this site and this link below
http://www.forhair.com/fit_new3.htm
I found this text:
Dr. Ray Woods and Dr. Angela Campbell both state that a chest hair moved to the top of the scalp can alter its growth length from 2 to 3 centimeters to a length of 6 inches. This must result from an increase in the anagen phase of hair growth and a diminution in the telogen phase. It is stated that the body hairs must go through a couple of life cycles prior to converting to this longer length and anagen phase.
Are you sure that what you say is true?
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Franklin
14.11.2009, 23:54
@ john35
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hairtech are you sure? |
I have personally seen Timetesteds bh results and they did grow longer. This is old news! Also "Published in the British Journal of Plastic Surgery December 2004
The Woods Techniques revolutionary discovery that body hair can be used as an effective and viable donor source in hair transplantation was a world first. However, that body hair can grow longer once transplanted and assume the haracteristics of normal scalp hair is truly remarkable" Characteristics means length . http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WC6-4D5P3YH-F&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=e86049e19acda91b87b7cb79976fe669
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john35
15.11.2009, 00:10
@ Franklin
|
hairtech are you sure? |
» I have personally seen Timetested bh results and they did grow longer. This
» is old news!
Oh well, maybe Hairtech is wrong then.
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Franklin
15.11.2009, 00:30
@ hairtech_
|
Any reason to not do a bht test ? |
""What you see is what you get". I think he meant in the thickness of the grafts after they grow.
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hairtech_
Minneapolis,MN,
15.11.2009, 10:53
@ Franklin
|
Any reason to not do a bht test ? |
I quoted Ray Woods... and now that I have been studying a single bht for three years... with significant growth, then i know that Ray Woods original assupmtions were accurate... "What you see is what you get"
This is a really interesting case... This patient originally went to Dr. Harris in Denver... Dr. Harris pretty much took most of his chest hairs and transplanted them to his scalp.
The patient's scalp hair is completely white. But his chest hairs where totally black. So every body hair that was transferred was easily able to be tracked.
And here is the case at hand. Please read. http://hairlossadvances.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1097&highlight=expose
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fastforward
15.11.2009, 11:43
@ hairtech_
|
Any reason to not do a bht test ? |
» What ever the way the body hair looks on your body part... this will be the
» way it looks on your scalp... length, courseness and color. It will not
» change.
You don't know what you are talking about
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Sofarsogood
Los Angeles area,
15.11.2009, 15:22
@ commanderfink
|
Any reason to not do a bht test ? |
» I'm consulting with a doctor next week to do a sample bht test. Is there
» any reason not to do it. If it doesnt work then I will need to shave my
» head in a year or 2.
I had a successful BHT test of about 300 grafts before going in for another 1000 leg hair grafts to "repair" my 1990s HT hairline.
I'm very happy with the "naturalness" of my hairline now.
Journals w/pics and a video link to my case are in my signature.
IMO, a test with the right doc is the prudent way to go.
It's been about 4 years since my BHT repair and the leg hair is still growing strong. The caliber of the transplanted hair is very similar to how it is on my legs but it seems to have gained a little length when placed on the scalp. The leg hair doesn't grow over an inch in my hairline, however. My legs show no visible signs of extractions.
IMO, body hair can be great for "feathering" hairlines, creating temple points, hiding larger plugs and "dusting" an area were high density (as is head-hair density) isn't needed. Now, if you have very thick body hair, more density is possible but not comparable to head-hair grafts.
Beard hair grafts show great promise for more dense coverage and scar repair.
Some folks probably have thicker beard/body hair than head hair. That's when the tables get turned on the traditional HT assumptions.
My 2 cents as a "pioneer" BHT patient. Lol.
Happy growing to all!
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BHT was used to "soften" my former HT hairline that was made up of larger grafts.
At the ISHRS 2007convention, 12 docs from 10 countries, many techs and one famous forum moderator
acknowledged the BHT growth. Click the link for more about my case.
http://hairsite.com/serendipity/authors/27-sofarsogood
Video of my BHT result:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNEZb42ZrYs&feature=channel_page |
hairtech_
Minneapolis,MN,
15.11.2009, 16:23
@ commanderfink
|
Any reason to not do a bht test ? |
fastforward...
Actually you do not know what you are talking about. Even sofarsogood knows more that you. And especially about bht... I have something for you fastforward...
This is a suggestion. Put your computer into a toilet. Then you will be equal to the actual knowledge you know.
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Sofarsogood
Los Angeles area,
15.11.2009, 20:39
@ hairtech_
|
Any reason to not do a bht test ? |
» Even sofarsogood knows more that you. And especially about bht...
LOL!
I'm just a patient, not an HT guru like yourself.
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BHT was used to "soften" my former HT hairline that was made up of larger grafts.
At the ISHRS 2007convention, 12 docs from 10 countries, many techs and one famous forum moderator
acknowledged the BHT growth. Click the link for more about my case.
http://hairsite.com/serendipity/authors/27-sofarsogood
Video of my BHT result:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNEZb42ZrYs&feature=channel_page |
fastforward
20.11.2009, 11:27
@ hairtech_
|
Any reason to not do a bht test ? |
» fastforward...
»
» Actually you do not know what you are talking about. Even sofarsogood
» knows more that you. And especially about bht... I have something for you
» fastforward...
»
» This is a suggestion. Put your computer into a toilet. Then you will be
» equal to the actual knowledge you know.
Oh yeah? explain this then
![[image]](http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/img/uploaded/12_image521.gif)
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craig
20.11.2009, 19:21
@ fastforward
|
Any reason to not do a bht test ? |
» » fastforward...
» »
» » Actually you do not know what you are talking about. Even sofarsogood
» » knows more that you. And especially about bht... I have something for
» you
» » fastforward...
» »
» » This is a suggestion. Put your computer into a toilet. Then you will be
» » equal to the actual knowledge you know.
»
» Oh yeah? explain this then
»
hairtech is a jackass, rude and unprofessional, just ignore him
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