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Histogen’s HSC - Highly Anticipated Hair loss Treatment Due to Hit “Shelves” As (Hair Multiplication & Stem Cells Treatment)

Histogen’s HSC - Highly Anticipated Hair loss Treatment Due to Hit “Shelves” As Soon As 2013 - Dated 17th November

Changing the lives of hair loss sufferers forever: Histogen Inc. might be doing just that, and sooner than many in the hair loss industry thought.

Watch exclusive American Hair Loss Association Video Q&A of Dr. Gail Naughton, Ph.D. as she answers user questions concerning Histogen’s Hair Stimulating Complex’s availability, and how it might be used to effectively treat hair loss in the very near future.




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biston

19.11.2009, 15:08

@ BALDIE-IS-BACK-GO

Histogen’s HSC - Highly Anticipated Hair loss Treatment Due to Hit “Shelves” As

cool, hope for the best !




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Post reply
fckhrls

19.11.2009, 15:40

@ biston

Have they even established efficacy yet?

I'm confused. They did a very small cohort, and now they're talking about a commercial product? They haven't even really established efficacy, much less safety. And what about their legal troubles? Have those been quashed?




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SPQR

Homepage

19.11.2009, 15:55

@ fckhrls

2013 to have

regulatory permissions in asia countries, for usa, one year later. She says that in some cases a patient will need a second injections, after 3 or 6 months, but she say the procedure will treat large alopecia areas.

She told something about 2010, in asia, but i haven't understand what. Maybe the start of another phase of study before commercialize!




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buckerine11

19.11.2009, 17:54

@ fckhrls

Have they even established efficacy yet?

» I'm confused. They did a very small cohort, and now they're talking about
» a commercial product? They haven't even really established efficacy, much
» less safety. And what about their legal troubles? Have those been
» quashed?

She's pretty much just assuming efficacy at this point. They are going to start larger scaled clinical trials in Singapore early 2010. I think that study will be determine the life and death of Histogen. But, if those results are favorable, then they'll move on to pan-Asian phase III trials, and work to get a product out by 2013. So, basically, the 2013 is if EVERYTHING goes according to plan with no unseen circumstances to hinder progress.




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Post reply
Truthtales

19.11.2009, 18:45

@ buckerine11

Have they even established efficacy yet?

I dont trust this one at all...i dont know why.Just a feeling... i think its a fluke.




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Post reply
Johnny84

19.11.2009, 18:58

@ fckhrls

Have they even established efficacy yet?

» I'm confused. They did a very small cohort, and now they're talking about
» a commercial product? They haven't even really established efficacy, much
» less safety. And what about their legal troubles? Have those been
» quashed?

I think in order to establish these things, Histogen would have to embark on FDA trails. It's normally phase one that proves these things. As we all know it's the gruelling FDA process that normally causes such a delay between establishing effeciency and commercialisation. Even though all their eggs are in one basket, if it works, it'll be available quick, if it doesn't we'll know soon. Can't really ask for much more than that.




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Post reply
fckhrls

19.11.2009, 19:21

@ Truthtales

Have they even established efficacy yet?

» I dont trust this one at all...i dont know why.Just a feeling... i think
» its a fluke.

Maybe its their desperation and hyperbole, but I just get a funny feeling about all this.




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Post reply
Swoosh

19.11.2009, 20:07

@ fckhrls

Have they even established efficacy yet?

Well those photos they provided definitely showed what appears to be thickening of hair and more hair overall.

I think the real question about Histogen is what happens with subsequent injections? Do you continue to grow more/thicker hair?




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Post reply
cal

20.11.2009, 00:55

@ Swoosh

Have they even established efficacy yet?

»
» I think the real question about Histogen is what happens with subsequent
» injections? Do you continue to grow more/thicker hair?

My thoughts exactly.




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Post reply
fckhrls

20.11.2009, 01:45

@ Johnny84

Have they even established efficacy yet?

» » I'm confused. They did a very small cohort, and now they're talking
» about
» » a commercial product? They haven't even really established efficacy,
» much
» » less safety. And what about their legal troubles? Have those been
» » quashed?
»
» I think in order to establish these things, Histogen would have to embark
» on FDA trails. It's normally phase one that proves these things. As we all
» know it's the gruelling FDA process that normally causes such a delay
» between establishing effeciency and commercialisation. Even though all
» their eggs are in one basket, if it works, it'll be available quick, if it
» doesn't we'll know soon. Can't really ask for much more than that.

Exactly. I don't think Histogen knows the answer to those questions. I'm also suspicious of their attempts to circumnavigate the FDA process - it feels desperate. Personally, I won't touch anything that isn't FDA approved - too much risk, especially with something that has the potential to grow tumors. I'd get an HT before I'd ever fly to Asia to have anything done.




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Post reply
News

20.11.2009, 05:07

@ fckhrls

Have they even established efficacy yet?

I'm highly skeptical about this as well. But I think it's good news anyway - it will put pressure on other companies - such as Aderans - to put a product on the market.




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Post reply
Spanish Dude

20.11.2009, 11:06

@ BALDIE-IS-BACK-GO

It seems Dr. Naughton has not learned the lesson from previous failures.

She is claiming victory even before the match has started.
Very irresponsable or a plain charlatan.
Lets wait for ARI's phase II trial. Should be completed by the end of the year.
In the meantime, we will have fun with Dr. Naughton exagerations.

Oh, still waiting for the promised Q&A............ ....... .......


edit: I have just seen the video. Now I am even more pessimistic.


» Histogen’s HSC - Highly Anticipated Hair loss Treatment Due to Hit
» “Shelves” As Soon As 2013 - Dated 17th November
»
» Changing the lives of hair loss sufferers forever: Histogen Inc. might be
» doing just that, and sooner than many in the hair loss industry thought.
»
» Watch exclusive American Hair Loss Association Video Q&A of Dr. Gail
» Naughton, Ph.D. as she answers user questions concerning Histogen’s Hair
» Stimulating Complex’s availability, and how it might be used to effectively
» treat hair loss in the very near future.
»




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Post reply
rev

your nightmares,
20.11.2009, 15:59

@ Spanish Dude

It seems Dr. Naughton has not learned the lesson from previous failures.

I truly don't understand your resentment towards Histogen. They've been upfront about everything thus far: from their lawsuit to how they're bracing their company against it... from their financial woes to how they'll raise funds to continue operations.... from their trial commitments to how they'll deal with the corrupt little entity we know as the fda.

They based HSC on a 7 year timeline, and there's a slight chance we might see this product slightly sooner. They even braced the public that HSC won't be a "DHT resistenant, one injection will give you a full head of hair overnight" silver bullet. All-in-all, I like histogen because - unlike aderans and follica - they've been transparent with their operations and realistic with their goals.

You keep cheering for Aderans, but what have they done for you lately... except, that is, inundate us with a series of Washenik's interviews where he claimed their product is "less than 5 years away". Don't get me wrong, I want Aderans to succeed as much as Histogen, but at this point I'm putting more stock in the later.


» She is claiming victory even before the match has started.
» Very irresponsable or a plain charlatan.
» Lets wait for ARI's phase II trial. Should be completed by the end of the
» year.
» In the meantime, we will have fun with Dr. Naughton exagerations.
»
» Oh, still waiting for the promised Q&A............ ....... .......
»
»
» edit: I have just seen the video. Now I am even more pessimistic.
»
»
» » Histogen’s HSC - Highly Anticipated Hair loss Treatment Due to Hit
» » “Shelves” As Soon As 2013 - Dated 17th November
» »
» » Changing the lives of hair loss sufferers forever: Histogen Inc. might
» be
» » doing just that, and sooner than many in the hair loss industry
» thought.
» »
» » Watch exclusive American Hair Loss Association Video Q&A of Dr. Gail
» » Naughton, Ph.D. as she answers user questions concerning Histogen’s
» Hair
» » Stimulating Complex’s availability, and how it might be used to
» effectively
» » treat hair loss in the very near future.
» »




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Post reply
mj2003

E-mail

Toronto,
20.11.2009, 16:40

@ rev

It seems Dr. Naughton has not learned the lesson from previous failures.

» I truly don't understand your resentment towards Histogen. They've been
» upfront about everything thus far: from their lawsuit to how they're
» bracing their company against it... from their financial woes to how
» they'll raise funds to continue operations.... from their trial commitments
» to how they'll deal with the corrupt little entity we know as the fda.
»
» They based HSC on a 7 year timeline, and there's a slight chance we might
» see this product slightly sooner. They even braced the public that HSC
» won't be a "DHT resistenant, one injection will give you a full head of
» hair overnight" silver bullet. All-in-all, I like histogen because - unlike
» aderans and follica - they've been transparent with their operations and
» realistic with their goals.
»
» You keep cheering for Aderans, but what have they done for you lately...
» except, that is, inundate us with a series of Washenik's interviews where
» he claimed their product is "less than 5 years away". Don't get me wrong, I
» want Aderans to succeed as much as Histogen, but at this point I'm putting
» more stock in the later.
»
»
» » She is claiming victory even before the match has started.
» » Very irresponsable or a plain charlatan.
» » Lets wait for ARI's phase II trial. Should be completed by the end of
» the
» » year.
» » In the meantime, we will have fun with Dr. Naughton exagerations.
» »
» » Oh, still waiting for the promised Q&A............ ....... .......
» »
» »
» » edit: I have just seen the video. Now I am even more pessimistic.
» »
» »
» » » Histogen’s HSC - Highly Anticipated Hair loss Treatment Due to Hit
» » » “Shelves” As Soon As 2013 - Dated 17th November
» » »
» » » Changing the lives of hair loss sufferers forever: Histogen Inc.
» might
» » be
» » » doing just that, and sooner than many in the hair loss industry
» » thought.
» » »
» » » Watch exclusive American Hair Loss Association Video Q&A of Dr. Gail
» » » Naughton, Ph.D. as she answers user questions concerning Histogen’s
» » Hair
» » » Stimulating Complex’s availability, and how it might be used to
» » effectively
» » » treat hair loss in the very near future.
» » »
» » » See Link
» » »
» » »


It's not histogen's fault why most of us are overrating their results thus far. They put the pics on a plate, it's for us to determine what we think of it. The results were so bad in my opinion that some said yes to regrowth, some said no regrowth, some said some thickening only. Are those results really worth looking forward to as much as we are? You can get better results with a simple minoxidil solution. If they on the other hand showed an obvious miraculous-like significant change from nothing to something, then I can understand.

Hopefully their end results will be 500x better. Hopefully. Beyond my control, I personally can't wait and look forward for it to become commercially available. But I don't expect better results than ordinary hair loss treatments or even hair transplants for that matter.




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Post reply
cal

20.11.2009, 17:25

@ mj2003

It seems Dr. Naughton has not learned the lesson from previous failures.

-----


COMPOUNDABLE RESULTS!



Minox does not offer that. It demands continued use but it only gives the initial improvement.


It is an open question of whether this stuff might be compoundable. If it actually is compoundable, then we're set. In that case it doesn't matter whether the first pass results are good or just mediocre as long as they do something at all.




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mj2003

E-mail

Toronto,
20.11.2009, 18:04

@ cal

It seems Dr. Naughton has not learned the lesson from previous failures.

» -----
»
»
» COMPOUNDABLE RESULTS!
»
»
»
» Minox does not offer that. It demands continued use but it only gives the
» initial improvement.
»
»
» It is an open question of whether this stuff might be compoundable. If it
» actually is compoundable, then we're set. In that case it doesn't matter
» whether the first pass results are good or just mediocre as long as they do
» something at all.

Why would you scream "COMPOUNDABE RESULTS?" with such confidence as if it were a fact, and then question or not it's compundable? lol
If they were compoundable, wouldn't they have shown pictures of patients as a result of multiple sessions/injections over time? Or if they couldn't, then atleast mention "these results are from one session, in more sessions the results will improve". If they have said it, then I missed it.




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Post reply
Spanish Dude

20.11.2009, 20:02

@ rev

It seems Dr. Naughton has not learned the lesson from previous failures.

Remember that the trialists in the preclinical trials were ONLY THINNING. No bald scalps were treated as far as I can remember, and the results were just Minoxidil-Class.
But Naughton, in the 2nd video, is boldly talking about timelines "to get a full head of hair", no less.
Also, she seems satisfied with the efficacy observed in the preclinical trials and speculates using new sessions to add density, but at this point it is pure fantasy to speculate about this, because she doesn't know if the results will be additive (most probably they won't, as it happened with ICX-TRC).
She seems satisfied with the efficacy in the preclinical trials, and she doesn't talk about improving the efficacy per injection.

She has not said anything about higher doses or improved formulations. Just repeated sessions. This seems to mean that the results we have seen so far can't be improved rising the dose or improving the formulation, and its necessary to wait 3 months and inject again, and *hopefully*, see new hairs.
It seems that she aims to reproduce full heads of hair with the current level of efficacy. I think this is impossible.

As you see, everything is unknown, but Dr. Naughton is wet-dreaming about people flying to Asia in 2013 to get "full heads of hair".

@Rev:
It is true that Histogen has done some good things. They have published pictures, which are top-notch, and they are proceeding quite fast, doing trials in foreign countries to cut-down costs, and speed everything up...
also, they are going to test HSC on 50 trialists in Asia, in Phase I-II, so these are important trials.
But the results are soso, and lately, I have seen a manipulative trend that reminds me of past charlatans. And I don't like it.

Regarding Washenik, I was very hard against him in the past, when he was constantly advertising HTs for Bosley, promising HM-timelines that never materialized.
I said that "Washwenik was pathetic" after that sad interview when he dedicated most of the time to say how good were Propecia and Minoxidil.
But now things have changed. ARI is doing multicentre Phase II trials in USA, ON VERY BALD PEOPLE, MEN AND WOMEN!!! It seems its 100 trialists.
And Washenik is not giving interviews anymore (afaik). This means no propaganda, but real progress.



» I truly don't understand your resentment towards Histogen. They've been
» upfront about everything thus far: from their lawsuit to how they're
» bracing their company against it... from their financial woes to how
» they'll raise funds to continue operations.... from their trial commitments
» to how they'll deal with the corrupt little entity we know as the fda.
»
» They based HSC on a 7 year timeline, and there's a slight chance we might
» see this product slightly sooner. They even braced the public that HSC
» won't be a "DHT resistenant, one injection will give you a full head of
» hair overnight" silver bullet. All-in-all, I like histogen because - unlike
» aderans and follica - they've been transparent with their operations and
» realistic with their goals.
»
» You keep cheering for Aderans, but what have they done for you lately...
» except, that is, inundate us with a series of Washenik's interviews where
» he claimed their product is "less than 5 years away". Don't get me wrong, I
» want Aderans to succeed as much as Histogen, but at this point I'm putting
» more stock in the later.
»
»
» » She is claiming victory even before the match has started.
» » Very irresponsable or a plain charlatan.
» » Lets wait for ARI's phase II trial. Should be completed by the end of
» the
» » year.
» » In the meantime, we will have fun with Dr. Naughton exagerations.
» »
» » Oh, still waiting for the promised Q&A............ ....... .......
» »
» »
» » edit: I have just seen the video. Now I am even more pessimistic.
» »
» »
» » » Histogen’s HSC - Highly Anticipated Hair loss Treatment Due to Hit
» » » “Shelves” As Soon As 2013 - Dated 17th November
» » »
» » » Changing the lives of hair loss sufferers forever: Histogen Inc.
» might
» » be
» » » doing just that, and sooner than many in the hair loss industry
» » thought.
» » »
» » » Watch exclusive American Hair Loss Association Video Q&A of Dr. Gail
» » » Naughton, Ph.D. as she answers user questions concerning Histogen’s
» » Hair
» » » Stimulating Complex’s availability, and how it might be used to
» » effectively
» » » treat hair loss in the very near future.
» » »




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Post reply
cal

20.11.2009, 20:34

@ Spanish Dude

It seems Dr. Naughton has not learned the lesson from previous failures.

mj2003 you missed my point.

I was never arguing that we have valid evidence to get excited about Histogen yet. We don't.



But I was responding to the comments that the pics show it's no better than the existing treatments of minox or HTs. It's not valid to declare Histogen "no better than minox or HTs" before we have an answer on that extremely important detail I was yelling about.




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Post reply
Spanish Dude

20.11.2009, 21:11

@ cal

It seems Dr. Naughton has not learned the lesson from previous failures.

cal, don't hold your breath for the "compounding effect".

btw, you responded in the wrong place of the thread.

» mj2003 you missed my point.
»
» I was never arguing that we have valid evidence to get excited about
» Histogen yet. We don't.
»
»
»
» But I was responding to the comments that the pics show it's no better
» than the existing treatments of minox or HTs. It's not valid to declare
» Histogen "no better than minox or HTs" before we have an answer on that
» extremely important detail I was yelling about.




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Post reply
buckerine11

20.11.2009, 22:11

@ Spanish Dude

It seems Dr. Naughton has not learned the lesson from previous failures.

» Remember that the trialists in the preclinical trials were ONLY THINNING.
» No bald scalps were treated as far as I can remember, and the results were
» just Minoxidil-Class.
» But Naughton, in the 2nd video, is boldly talking about timelines "to get
» a full head of hair", no less.
» Also, she seems satisfied with the efficacy observed in the preclinical
» trials and speculates using new sessions to add density, but at this point
» it is pure fantasy to speculate about this, because she doesn't know if the
» results will be additive (most probably they won't, as it happened with
» ICX-TRC).
» She seems satisfied with the efficacy in the preclinical trials, and she
» doesn't talk about improving the efficacy per injection.
»
» She has not said anything about higher doses or improved formulations.
» Just repeated sessions. This seems to mean that the results we have seen so
» far can't be improved rising the dose or improving the formulation, and its
» necessary to wait 3 months and inject again, and *hopefully*, see new
» hairs.
» It seems that she aims to reproduce full heads of hair with the current
» level of efficacy. I think this is impossible.
»
» As you see, everything is unknown, but Dr. Naughton is wet-dreaming about
» people flying to Asia in 2013 to get "full heads of hair".
»
» @Rev:
» It is true that Histogen has done some good things. They have published
» pictures, which are top-notch, and they are proceeding quite fast, doing
» trials in foreign countries to cut-down costs, and speed everything up...
» also, they are going to test HSC on 50 trialists in Asia, in Phase I-II,
» so these are important trials.
» But the results are soso, and lately, I have seen a manipulative trend
» that reminds me of past charlatans. And I don't like it.
»
» Regarding Washenik, I was very hard against him in the past, when he was
» constantly advertising HTs for Bosley, promising HM-timelines that never
» materialized.
» I said that "Washwenik was pathetic" after that sad interview when he
» dedicated most of the time to say how good were Propecia and Minoxidil.
» But now things have changed. ARI is doing multicentre Phase II trials in
» USA, ON VERY BALD PEOPLE, MEN AND WOMEN!!! It seems its 100 trialists.
» And Washenik is not giving interviews anymore (afaik). This means no
» propaganda, but real progress.
»
»
»
» » I truly don't understand your resentment towards Histogen. They've been
» » upfront about everything thus far: from their lawsuit to how they're
» » bracing their company against it... from their financial woes to how
» » they'll raise funds to continue operations.... from their trial
» commitments
» » to how they'll deal with the corrupt little entity we know as the fda.
» »
» » They based HSC on a 7 year timeline, and there's a slight chance we
» might
» » see this product slightly sooner. They even braced the public that HSC
» » won't be a "DHT resistenant, one injection will give you a full head of
» » hair overnight" silver bullet. All-in-all, I like histogen because -
» unlike
» » aderans and follica - they've been transparent with their operations
» and
» » realistic with their goals.
» »
» » You keep cheering for Aderans, but what have they done for you
» lately...
» » except, that is, inundate us with a series of Washenik's interviews
» where
» » he claimed their product is "less than 5 years away". Don't get me
» wrong, I
» » want Aderans to succeed as much as Histogen, but at this point I'm
» putting
» » more stock in the later.
» »
» »
» » » She is claiming victory even before the match has started.
» » » Very irresponsable or a plain charlatan.
» » » Lets wait for ARI's phase II trial. Should be completed by the end of
» » the
» » » year.
» » » In the meantime, we will have fun with Dr. Naughton exagerations.
» » »
» » » Oh, still waiting for the promised Q&A............ .......
» .......
» » »
» » »
» » » edit: I have just seen the video. Now I am even more pessimistic.
» » »
» » »
» » » » Histogen’s HSC - Highly Anticipated Hair loss Treatment Due to Hit
» » » » “Shelves” As Soon As 2013 - Dated 17th November
» » » »
» » » » Changing the lives of hair loss sufferers forever: Histogen Inc.
» » might
» » » be
» » » » doing just that, and sooner than many in the hair loss industry
» » » thought.
» » » »
» » » » Watch exclusive American Hair Loss Association Video Q&A of Dr.
» Gail
» » » » Naughton, Ph.D. as she answers user questions concerning Histogen’s
» » » Hair
» » » » Stimulating Complex’s availability, and how it might be used to
» » » effectively
» » » » treat hair loss in the very near future.
» » » »
» » » » See Link
» » » »
» » » »
» » »
» »

Even if it can't grow hair on bald spots, it can still be an effective tool to battle hair loss. If you can increase your density by 25% where you DO have hair, then that's 25% more hair that can be used for a HT. It's not the silver bullet, but it's certainly good enough for alot of people.




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Post reply
fckhrls

20.11.2009, 23:35
(edited by fckhrls, 21.11.2009, 00:06)

@ buckerine11

I don't understand why only a "silver bullet" counts as success

» Even if it can't grow hair on bald spots, it can still be an effective
» tool to battle hair loss. If you can increase your density by 25% where you
» DO have hair, then that's 25% more hair that can be used for a HT. It's not
» the silver bullet, but it's certainly good enough for alot of people.

As I said, I'm skeptical of Histogen. They seem desperate and their success hinges on this product. That being said, I don't know why people only consider a "cure" (NW6 to NW1) success. If there's a new product that can achieve even rogain-like results, that's of significant value. If you don't respond to any of the current protocols, maybe you would respond to a new protocol. Anything that works is another arrow in the quiver. So Histogen could increase yield by even 15%, that would be huge.




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Post reply
cal

21.11.2009, 01:32

@ fckhrls

I don't understand why only a "silver bullet" counts as success

Anything that gains or preserves hair without causing collateral dick damage gets my vote.



Histogen's method is supposed to be DP-cell induced, am I right? That points to a long-term gain against the lifetime accumulation of androgen damage. No previous product of any kind has ever done that. If it's true then whatever Histogen comes up with would be a major step forward.




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Post reply
fckhrls

21.11.2009, 02:02

@ cal

I don't understand why only a "silver bullet" counts as success

» Anything that gains or preserves hair without causing collateral dick
» damage gets my vote.
»
»
»
» Histogen's method is supposed to be DP-cell induced, am I right? That
» points to a long-term gain against the lifetime accumulation of androgen
» damage. No previous product of any kind has ever done that. If it's true
» then whatever Histogen comes up with would be a major step forward.

Exactly. A 10% or 15% increase may not do much for a NW5-6, but for a NW2-3 its the difference between visible baldness and a cosmetically full head of hair. And for non-responders to the Big Three, having a totally different approach would be valuable.

I think hairloss will be remedied incrementally long before some magical single treatment comes along. It will be a holistic protocol, including anti-andros, hair stimulants like Rogain and Histogen, and more advanced treatments like Aderans or Follica. In my opinion, there will still also be a place for high-quality FUE transplants as well.

On another note, I was recently reading "The Singularity" by Ray Kurtzweil (sp). He's a pretty prescient futurist, and he's written several books on near future development. If he is even half right about some of the advances in biotech in the coming decades, I'm confident that hairloss will be a thing of the past for the next generation. While it may still be a decade or more before we see a true "cure", at least we can take solace in knowing that we are probably the last generation to ever have to suffer through hair loss.




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biston

21.11.2009, 08:37

@ fckhrls

I don't understand why only a "silver bullet" counts as success

» Exactly. A 10% or 15% increase may not do much for a NW5-6, but for a
» NW2-3 its the difference between visible baldness and a cosmetically full
» head of hair.

if the procedure is repeatable then should make the difference for everyone, even for a nw5, that's the question: is the procedure repeatable? I guess yes




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Spanish Dude

21.11.2009, 13:05

@ biston

get ready guys! Its just 3 years awayyyyyy!!

» » Exactly. A 10% or 15% increase may not do much for a NW5-6, but for a
» » NW2-3 its the difference between visible baldness and a cosmetically
» full
» » head of hair.
»
» if the procedure is repeatable then should make the difference for
» everyone, even for a nw5, that's the question: is the procedure repeatable?
» I guess yes

keep guessing... maybe this guessing activity makes you grow more hair than HSC will do.

10% or 15% on the best cases, on thinning people who is not using Minox nor Finas!!
People who is already using Minox or Finas will probably see no benefit at all because they have already rejuvenated all the rejuvenable hairs.
And totally bald guys will see no significant benefit either.


Ooooh, 2013,what a beautiful date. We are just 3 years away. Get ready guys!! I think I am going to buy the plane tickets now, because in 2013 there will be a short supply!!

HAHAHAHA




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FightingFalcon

21.11.2009, 13:28

@ Spanish Dude

get ready guys! Its just 3 years awayyyyyy!!

» 10% or 15% on the best cases, on thinning people who is not using Minox
» nor Finas!!
» People who is already using Minox or Finas will probably see no benefit at
» all because they have already rejuvenated all the rejuvenable hairs.
» And totally bald guys will see no significant benefit either.

The benefits of Histogen have nothing to do with those of Minoxidil or Finasteride. Neither of the latter substances do any rejuvenation or damage repair whatsoever. Finasteride just stops (or slows) the damage to the hair follicle from accumulating, while Minoxidil just encourages damaged follicles to squeeze out more hair. Therefore, people who benefit from Minoxidil or Finasteride to the max would still benefit from Histogen.




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buckerine11

21.11.2009, 13:45

@ Spanish Dude

get ready guys! Its just 3 years awayyyyyy!!

» » » Exactly. A 10% or 15% increase may not do much for a NW5-6, but for a
» » » NW2-3 its the difference between visible baldness and a cosmetically
» » full
» » » head of hair.
» »
» » if the procedure is repeatable then should make the difference for
» » everyone, even for a nw5, that's the question: is the procedure
» repeatable?
» » I guess yes
»
» keep guessing... maybe this guessing activity makes you grow more hair
» than HSC will do.
»
» 10% or 15% on the best cases, on thinning people who is not using Minox
» nor Finas!!
» People who is already using Minox or Finas will probably see no benefit at
» all because they have already rejuvenated all the rejuvenable hairs.
» And totally bald guys will see no significant benefit either.
»
»
» Ooooh, 2013,what a beautiful date. We are just 3 years away. Get ready
» guys!! I think I am going to buy the plane tickets now, because in 2013
» there will be a short supply!!
»
» HAHAHAHA

Jesus Christ, what's wrong with this guy? There's a difference between keeping a healthy skepticism and just being a douche.




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Spanish Dude

21.11.2009, 13:55

@ FightingFalcon

get ready guys! Its just 3 years awayyyyyy!!

» » 10% or 15% on the best cases, on thinning people who is not using Minox
» » nor Finas!!
» » People who is already using Minox or Finas will probably see no benefit
» at
» » all because they have already rejuvenated all the rejuvenable hairs.
» » And totally bald guys will see no significant benefit either.
»
» The benefits of Histogen have nothing to do with those of Minoxidil or
» Finasteride. Neither of the latter substances do any rejuvenation or
» damage repair whatsoever. Finasteride just stops (or slows) the damage to
» the hair follicle from accumulating, while Minoxidil just encourages
» damaged follicles to squeeze out more hair. Therefore, people who benefit
» from Minoxidil or Finasteride to the max would still benefit from Histogen.

Finas and Minox "rejuvenate" damaged follicles. Follicles who were producing a vellus hair are then able to produce terminal hairs. You see more terminal hairs. The same happens with HSC. Call it rejuvenation or whatever.

I think Histogen is rejuvenating hair follicles. This is why they test it in thinning scalps, not totally bald ones. If they tested it in totally bald scalps, they would get nothing, as there are no rejuvenable hairs. Same happens with Minox/Finas.




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Spanish Dude

21.11.2009, 14:01

@ buckerine11

get ready guys! Its just 3 years awayyyyyy!!

» Jesus Christ, what's wrong with this guy? There's a difference between
» keeping a healthy skepticism and just being a douche.

One thing is to use healthy sarcasm and humor, and another is using insults.
If you need to wash your vagina, sorry I can't help you, watch anywhere else.:-)




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cal

21.11.2009, 14:09

@ Spanish Dude

get ready guys! Its just 3 years awayyyyyy!!

Minox is like a way to temporarily buff/shine up a car's dulling paint finish. It visually helps, but it doesn't last unless it's constantly reapplied. And in the case of Minox it doesn't slow the damage process at all.

Fin/Dut are more like protectant wax layers to slow the ongoing damage. They also lend a slight cosmetic improvement just by their nature.


Anything, Histogen or otherwise, that works by rejuv-ing the DP cells, would be more equivalent to respraying some amount of fresh paint onto the car. (Even if it's a very slight amount.) It's a reversal of the root damage process that is not comparable to any of the other previous methods of preservation.





It's difficult not to get a little bit excited about Histogen if this data continues to prove legit at all. Because if they can spray a thin layer of new paint onto the car with one round of injections, then I would expect the process to work several more times for several times to gains.




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Spanish Dude

21.11.2009, 14:31

@ cal

the positive: 50 trialists.

Okay, here is the deal.
The results so far are very dissapointing, and Dr. Naughton has behaved quite strange and erratic. No answers to the Q&A, no data at 5 months, and now drawing fantastic timelines.

Still, they are going to conduct trials on 50 trialists. This is a decent amount. The proper thing to do now is to wait for this trial, and ignore any fantasy from Dr. Naughton.


» Minox is like a way to temporarily buff/shine up a car's dulling paint
» finish. It visually helps, but it doesn't last unless it's constantly
» reapplied. And in the case of Minox it doesn't slow the damage process at
» all.
»
» Fin/Dut are more like protectant wax layers to slow the ongoing damage.
» They also lend a slight cosmetic improvement just by their nature.
»
»
» Anything, Histogen or otherwise, that works by rejuv-ing the DP cells,
» would be more equivalent to respraying some amount of fresh paint onto the
» car. (Even if it's a very slight amount.) It's a reversal of the root
» damage process that is not comparable to any of the other previous methods
» of preservation.
»
»
»
»
»
» It's difficult not to get a little bit excited about Histogen if this data
» continues to prove legit at all. Because if they can spray a thin layer of
» new paint onto the car with one round of injections, then I would expect
» the process to work several more times for several times to gains.




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Steve78

21.11.2009, 14:49

@ Spanish Dude

the positive: 50 trialists.

Is 2013 in the US or other countries?



» Okay, here is the deal.
» The results so far are very dissapointing, and Dr. Naughton has behaved
» quite strange and erratic. No answers to the Q&A, no data at 5 months, and
» now drawing fantastic timelines.
»
» Still, they are going to conduct trials on 50 trialists. This is a decent
» amount. The proper thing to do now is to wait for this trial, and ignore
» any fantasy from Dr. Naughton.
»
»
» » Minox is like a way to temporarily buff/shine up a car's dulling paint
» » finish. It visually helps, but it doesn't last unless it's constantly
» » reapplied. And in the case of Minox it doesn't slow the damage process
» at
» » all.
» »
» » Fin/Dut are more like protectant wax layers to slow the ongoing damage.
»
» » They also lend a slight cosmetic improvement just by their nature.
» »
» »
» » Anything, Histogen or otherwise, that works by rejuv-ing the DP cells,
» » would be more equivalent to respraying some amount of fresh paint onto
» the
» » car. (Even if it's a very slight amount.) It's a reversal of the root
» » damage process that is not comparable to any of the other previous
» methods
» » of preservation.
» »
» »
» »
» »
» »
» » It's difficult not to get a little bit excited about Histogen if this
» data
» » continues to prove legit at all. Because if they can spray a thin layer
» of
» » new paint onto the car with one round of injections, then I would
» expect
» » the process to work several more times for several times to gains.




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Spanish Dude

21.11.2009, 16:09

@ Steve78

the positive: 50 trialists.

DON'T BE LAZY! watch the videos, read the thread!

» Is 2013 in the US or other countries?
»
»
»
» » Okay, here is the deal.
» » The results so far are very dissapointing, and Dr. Naughton has behaved
» » quite strange and erratic. No answers to the Q&A, no data at 5 months,
» and
» » now drawing fantastic timelines.
» »
» » Still, they are going to conduct trials on 50 trialists. This is a
» decent
» » amount. The proper thing to do now is to wait for this trial, and
» ignore
» » any fantasy from Dr. Naughton.
» »
» »
» » » Minox is like a way to temporarily buff/shine up a car's dulling
» paint
» » » finish. It visually helps, but it doesn't last unless it's
» constantly
» » » reapplied. And in the case of Minox it doesn't slow the damage
» process
» » at
» » » all.
» » »
» » » Fin/Dut are more like protectant wax layers to slow the ongoing
» damage.
» »
» » » They also lend a slight cosmetic improvement just by their nature.
» » »
» » »
» » » Anything, Histogen or otherwise, that works by rejuv-ing the DP
» cells,
» » » would be more equivalent to respraying some amount of fresh paint
» onto
» » the
» » » car. (Even if it's a very slight amount.) It's a reversal of the
» root
» » » damage process that is not comparable to any of the other previous
» » methods
» » » of preservation.
» » »
» » »
» » »
» » »
» » »
» » » It's difficult not to get a little bit excited about Histogen if this
» » data
» » » continues to prove legit at all. Because if they can spray a thin
» layer
» » of
» » » new paint onto the car with one round of injections, then I would
» » expect
» » » the process to work several more times for several times to gains.




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FightingFalcon

21.11.2009, 18:25

@ Spanish Dude

get ready guys! Its just 3 years awayyyyyy!!

» Finas and Minox "rejuvenate" damaged follicles. Follicles who were
» producing a vellus hair are then able to produce terminal hairs. You see
» more terminal hairs. The same happens with HSC. Call it rejuvenation or
» whatever.
»
» I think Histogen is rejuvenating hair follicles. This is why they test it
» in thinning scalps, not totally bald ones. If they tested it in totally
» bald scalps, they would get nothing, as there are no rejuvenable hairs.
» Same happens with Minox/Finas.

The mechanisms by which Histogen, Minoxidil, and Finasteride work are completely different from each other. You just call them all by the same name, i.e. "rejuvenation", and then declare that therefore they are somehow the same, which logically wrong to do. Neither Minoxidil nor Finasteride add a single hair generating cell to the follicle, Histogen does.




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Brit-lad

22.11.2009, 15:40

@ FightingFalcon

get ready guys! Its just 3 years awayyyyyy!!

Now then, I lurk on these sorts of boards but have never posted before. One common theme on all of the boards I have lurked is the pessimism associated with balding blokes. Whilst I can appreciate that people have been disappointed with the whole '5 years from now' time and again but I think we mustn't assume that something is destined to fail just as we mustn't assume that something will give us a full head of hair, we must keep an open mind.

As for the whole Histogen's results were crap, well Phase I trials (which Histogen have just completed) are to test safety and tolerability of a drug and NOT efficacy (whether the drug actually works).

The tested range of doses will usually be a fraction of the dose that causes harm in animal testing. In context Histogen have used a single injection at a very low dose to test it's safety and they have had some positive results from it. To expect a major increase in hair density at phase I is unrealistic. Considering that the trial was to test safety at a low dose and the fact that they have had some regrowth and thickening of hairs is positive in my book.

Phase II (to be conducted in Asia) will be at a clinical dose (the dose that the patient will get when it hits the market) and are designed to test the efficacy (if it works). We already know it works to an extent so it will be interesting to see if higher doses and/or more injections give greater density and cosmetically acceptable hair.




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mj2003

E-mail

Toronto,
22.11.2009, 15:58

@ Brit-lad

get ready guys! Its just 3 years awayyyyyy!!

» Now then, I lurk on these sorts of boards but have never posted before. One
» common theme on all of the boards I have lurked is the pessimism associated
» with balding blokes. Whilst I can appreciate that people have been
» disappointed with the whole '5 years from now' time and again but I think
» we mustn't assume that something is destined to fail just as we mustn't
» assume that something will give us a full head of hair, we must keep an
» open mind.
»
» As for the whole Histogen's results were crap, well Phase I trials (which
» Histogen have just completed) are to test safety and tolerability of a drug
» and NOT efficacy (whether the drug actually works).
»
» The tested range of doses will usually be a fraction of the dose that
» causes harm in animal testing. In context Histogen have used a single
» injection at a very low dose to test it's safety and they have had some
» positive results from it. To expect a major increase in hair density at
» phase I is unrealistic. Considering that the trial was to test safety at a
» low dose and the fact that they have had some regrowth and thickening of
» hairs is positive in my book.
»
» Phase II (to be conducted in Asia) will be at a clinical dose (the dose
» that the patient will get when it hits the market) and are designed to test
» the efficacy (if it works). We already know it works to an extent so it
» will be interesting to see if higher doses and/or more injections give

welcome. good post, makes sense.
» greater density and cosmetically acceptable hair.




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rev

your nightmares,
22.11.2009, 16:36

@ Brit-lad

get ready guys! Its just 3 years awayyyyyy!!

Now then, I lurk on these sorts of boards but have never posted before. One common theme on all of the boards I have lurked is the pessimism associated with balding blokes. Whilst I can appreciate that people have been disappointed with the whole '5 years from now' time and again but I think we mustn't assume that something is destined to fail just as we mustn't assume that something will give us a full head of hair, we must keep an open mind.

As for the whole Histogen's results were crap, well Phase I trials (which Histogen have just completed) are to test safety and tolerability of a drug and NOT efficacy (whether the drug actually works).

The tested range of doses will usually be a fraction of the dose that causes harm in animal testing. In context Histogen have used a single injection at a very low dose to test it's safety and they have had some positive results from it. To expect a major increase in hair density at phase I is unrealistic. Considering that the trial was to test safety at a low dose and the fact that they have had some regrowth and thickening of hairs is positive in my book.

Phase II (to be conducted in Asia) will be at a clinical dose (the dose that the patient will get when it hits the market) and are designed to test the efficacy (if it works). We already know it works to an extent so it will be interesting to see if higher doses and/or more injections give greater density and cosmetically acceptable hair.


Thank you Brit-lad. I'm glad someone else understands the distinction between Phase I & II. This forum is full of people eager to discredit Histogen because it's safety trails didn't yield full heads of hair on its test subjects. It's exhausting to argue with those people.




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Toronto,
22.11.2009, 17:26

@ rev

get ready guys! Its just 3 years awayyyyyy!!

» Now then, I lurk on these sorts of boards but have never posted
» before. One common theme on all of the boards I have lurked is the
» pessimism associated with balding blokes. Whilst I can appreciate that
» people have been disappointed with the whole '5 years from now' time and
» again but I think we mustn't assume that something is destined to fail just
» as we mustn't assume that something will give us a full head of hair, we
» must keep an open mind.
»
» As for the whole Histogen's results were crap, well Phase I trials (which
» Histogen have just completed) are to test safety and tolerability of a drug
» and NOT efficacy (whether the drug actually works).
»
» The tested range of doses will usually be a fraction of the dose that
» causes harm in animal testing. In context Histogen have used a single
» injection at a very low dose to test it's safety and they have had some
» positive results from it. To expect a major increase in hair density at
» phase I is unrealistic. Considering that the trial was to test safety at a
» low dose and the fact that they have had some regrowth and thickening of
» hairs is positive in my book.
»
» Phase II (to be conducted in Asia) will be at a clinical dose (the dose
» that the patient will get when it hits the market) and are designed to test
» the efficacy (if it works). We already know it works to an extent so it
» will be interesting to see if higher doses and/or more injections give
» greater density and cosmetically acceptable hair.
»
» Thank you Brit-lad. I'm glad someone else understands the distinction
» between Phase I & II. This forum is full of people eager to discredit
» Histogen because it's safety trails didn't yield full heads of hair on its
» test subjects. It's exhausting to argue with those people.

Rev you need word your lines a little more carefully. I wasn't out to discredit histogen, I've always actually done the opposite to the pessimists. But that doesn't mean I can't voice a concern in hopes that it will become clarified by someone here. Do realize that some of us may not be reading here or posting here as often as you are or others are. And nobody is arguing with you and or anyone else nor do I invite an argument with anyone...why can't people share views without resulting in arguing or fighting?




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rev

your nightmares,
22.11.2009, 17:44

@ mj2003

get ready guys! Its just 3 years awayyyyyy!!

» Rev you need word your lines a little more carefully. I wasn't out to
» discredit histogen, I've always actually done the opposite to the
» pessimists. But that doesn't mean I can't voice a concern in hopes that it
» will become clarified by someone here. Do realize that some of us may not
» be reading here or posting here as often as you are or others are. And
» nobody is arguing with you and or anyone else nor do I invite an argument
» with anyone...why can't people share views without resulting in arguing or
» fighting?

I wasn't talking about you. No need for the paranoia.




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mj2003

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Toronto,
22.11.2009, 20:21

@ rev

get ready guys! Its just 3 years awayyyyyy!!

» » Rev you need word your lines a little more carefully. I wasn't out to
» » discredit histogen, I've always actually done the opposite to the
» » pessimists. But that doesn't mean I can't voice a concern in hopes that
» it
» » will become clarified by someone here. Do realize that some of us may
» not
» » be reading here or posting here as often as you are or others are. And
» » nobody is arguing with you and or anyone else nor do I invite an
» argument
» » with anyone...why can't people share views without resulting in arguing
» or
» » fighting?
»
» I wasn't talking about you. No need for the paranoia.

I thought I was the only that was showing concern, my bad. I take that back bro




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News

24.11.2009, 01:46

@ Steve78

5 years...

» Is 2013 in the US or other countries?

It's 2013 in other countries. Now let's do the math: 2013 is four years from now, and according to Dr. Naughton it will be another year before it's available in the US. In other words: It's five years away. (Now where have I heard this number before... Hmmmmm...)




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cal

24.11.2009, 03:51

@ News

5 years...

You could look at it that way.

Or you could just as easily say that the typical "5-10 years away" estimate has been cut down to 4 years this time. Depends on what you wanna hear.




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24.11.2009, 08:26

@ News

5 years...

» » Is 2013 in the US or other countries?
»
» It's 2013 in other countries. Now let's do the math: 2013 is four years
» from now, and according to Dr. Naughton it will be another year before it's
» available in the US. In other words: It's five years away. (Now where have
» I heard this number before... Hmmmmm...)

If someone will give me a full head of hairs i will run to get it in guatemala too.
People seems stupid, once wants hairs, when maybe can get hairs wants hairs near his home. The place is undifferent, we need only an efficent procedure.




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debris

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11.12.2009, 10:56

@ BALDIE-IS-BACK-GO

Histogen’s HSC - Highly Anticipated Hair loss Treatment Due to Hit “Shelves” As

shes promising something thats clearly just her dream. in other words, its a lie and shes aware of it at some level.

2013 release would be a miracle.
2015 may be possible abroad
2020 with current regulations if it works great and no significant problems are met
never - if it fails or is stopped for any reason.

where never is the most probable scenario (50+%).



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buckerine11

11.12.2009, 13:30

@ debris

Histogen’s HSC - Highly Anticipated Hair loss Treatment Due to Hit “Shelves” As

» shes promising something thats clearly just her dream. in other words, its
» a lie and shes aware of it at some level.
»
» 2013 release would be a miracle.
» 2015 may be possible abroad
» 2020 with current regulations if it works great and no significant
» problems are met
» never - if it fails or is stopped for any reason.
»
» where never is the most probable scenario (50+%).

She wasn't promising those dates. She was merely answering a question that had the inherent assumption that the product actually works.




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cal

11.12.2009, 16:25

@

Histogen’s HSC - Highly Anticipated Hair loss Treatment Due to Hit “Shelves” As

This is all mental masturbation. No real new info, just jerking ourselves around in circles re-interpreting existing data and scattered comments.




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debris

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11.12.2009, 18:21

@ cal

Histogen’s HSC - Highly Anticipated Hair loss Treatment Due to Hit “Shelves” As

» This is all mental masturbation. No real new info, just jerking ourselves
» around in circles re-interpreting existing data and scattered comments.

yeah totaly :) I just came here after several months of not reading anything.

btw the HSC stuff seems to actually work. This is first time I see a product thats trialed and seems beyond any shadow of doubt to be working.

the problem now is only if there will be sides or risks for which it could get cut back.

and the other problem is time. Trialing this sht will take shtloads of time. And then there are approvals and all the bureaucracy.

all in all. Im glad that it works. They published some very concrete data, and showed photograps as well, this basicaly means that it works rly well.

On the picture I can see quite remarkable improvement. If this is what 1 injection can do, then I want 50 of these on every cm of my scalp please :)


ANYONE HAS SOME IDEA WHAT THE HSC IS COOMPOSED OF? ... i mean are there any papers or patents that we could use to get an idea? :)



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baldIsMe

11.12.2009, 19:10

@ debris

Histogen’s HSC - Highly Anticipated Hair loss Treatment Due to Hit “Shelves” As

» » This is all mental masturbation. No real new info, just jerking
» ourselves
» » around in circles re-interpreting existing data and scattered comments.
»
» yeah totaly :) I just came here after several months of not reading
» anything.
»
» btw the HSC stuff seems to actually work. This is first time I see a
» product thats trialed and seems beyond any shadow of doubt to be working.
»
» the problem now is only if there will be sides or risks for which it could
» get cut back.
»
» and the other problem is time. Trialing this sht will take shtloads of
» time. And then there are approvals and all the bureaucracy.
»
» all in all. Im glad that it works. They published some very concrete data,
» and showed photograps as well, this basicaly means that it works rly well.
»
» On the picture I can see quite remarkable improvement. If this is what 1
» injection can do, then I want 50 of these on every cm of my scalp please
» :)
»
»
» ANYONE HAS SOME IDEA WHAT THE HSC IS COOMPOSED OF? ... i mean are there
» any papers or patents that we could use to get an idea? :)


http://www.histogeninc.com/aboutus/news_events.htm#20
This page has tons of info about the composition and mechanisms of HSC




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cal

11.12.2009, 21:39

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Histogen’s HSC - Highly Anticipated Hair loss Treatment Due to Hit “Shelves” As

The stuff does seem to work and they're not screwing around with reports like ICX did.

But I'm not satisfied until we know that the results can be compounded and the gains last from hair cycle to hair cycle.




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12.12.2009, 05:14

@ cal

Histogen’s HSC - Highly Anticipated Hair loss Treatment Due to Hit “Shelves” As

I knew there must be something im not seeing :)

The fact that after their first test they shared only 3 month growth suggests that the final 5month result was actually worse.

So basicaly the guys grew some hair at 3 months, but lost some of it before 5months.

This SUCKS :)

BTW Has this question been asked in that interview hairsite was talking about?



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