Hair Loss

Spanish Dude 10.07.2011, 12:03 (edited by Spanish Dude, 10.07.2011, 12:32)	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite? (Hair Regrowth Research & Clinical Trials)
	In the last Spencer interview, dr. Gho said that he could not harvest the donor area too close, because this would endanger good healing. He said something like: our technicians always leave at least 1 hair between two extractions. Furthermore, the truth is that the technicians usually harvest much less: less than 10 grafts per cm2. For example, in the case of scissorboy. But when we take a look at Gho's article on the Journal of Dermatological Treatment, which is based on a study on 5 patients, Gho harvested the donor, on average, at 57.7 grafts per cm2!! And the donor supossedly regenerated almost 100%!! In the 2.25 cm2 donor area, Gho extracted 260.6 hairs out of 348.6 available hairs, leaving only 88 hairs left!! In other words, Gho harvested 75% of the available hairs on the outlined donor area!!! And in 12 months, the area supossedly regenerated to 343.4 hairs!! This is 98.5% regeneration!! So why is Gho so careful in harvesting his patients at only 10 grafts per cm2?? Maybe so that the patients can't check the loss of donor hair?? Iron_Man is pissed of because I dismantled the main argument/excuse that Gho used to do a thin harvesting on the patients. HAHAHA. He told Spencer that the donor cannot regenerate if he harvested too close, but I unveiled this is FALSE using his own beloved JDT article. signed: SD, the attention whore. Spanish Dude is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Iron_Man 10.07.2011, 12:26 @ Spanish Dude	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	Because Gho is a liar, so nobody is interested in your thread anymore - case closed. Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process … Post reply
Spanish Dude 10.07.2011, 12:32 @ Iron_Man	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	» Because Gho is a liar, so nobody is interested in your thread anymore - » case closed. it is totally possible! Spanish Dude is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Iron_Man 10.07.2011, 12:38 @ Spanish Dude	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	» » Because Gho is a liar, so nobody is interested in your thread » anymore - » » case closed. » » it is totally possible! Sure, you proved it, resp. you "unveiled" it. Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process … Post reply
Spanish Dude 10.07.2011, 12:57 @ Iron_Man	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	» » » Because Gho is a liar, so nobody is interested in your thread » » anymore - » » » case closed. » » » » it is totally possible! » » Sure, you proved it, resp. you "unveiled" it. yep! you see, we are finally friends Spanish Dude is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Iron_Man 10.07.2011, 13:13 @ Spanish Dude	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	» » » » Because Gho is a liar, so nobody is interested in your thread » » » anymore - » » » » case closed. » » » » » » it is totally possible! » » » » Sure, you proved it, resp. you "unveiled" it. » » yep! » you see, we are finally friends Right, and because of that, and because roger_that always bash me due to my bad English skills and unfortunately I really don’t understand what they talk about, could you please make and post a short (but precise) ‘transcript’ what Dr. Gho, in fact, told Kobren ESPECIALLY concerning his HST harvesting technique (how many HST FU’s he extracts within a given area and especially why etc - just THIS part)? Thanks in advance! Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process … Post reply
Iron_Man 10.07.2011, 13:36 @ Spanish Dude	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	» In the last Spencer interview, dr. Gho said that he could not harvest the » donor area too close, because this would endanger good healing. » He said something like: our technicians always leave at least 1 hair » between two extractions. » Furthermore, the truth is that the technicians usually harvest much less: » less than 10 grafts per cm2. For example, in the case of scissorboy. And in this traditional FUE case (photo below)? And WHY? Spanish Dud, do YOU still have such a large donor area on the back of your head like the guy on the photo above? Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process … Post reply
Spanish Dude 10.07.2011, 13:47 @ Iron_Man	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	In a traditional FUE they won't harvest 57.7 grafts per cm2 because that will create a bald spot, that is why. As there is no regeneration in traditional FUE its logical to try to "spread the damage as much as possible" to avoid thinning. But in the case of Gho, if there is regeneration, it doesn't matter how dense you harvest. » » In the last Spencer interview, dr. Gho said that he could not harvest » the » » donor area too close, because this would endanger good healing. » » He said something like: our technicians always leave at least 1 hair » » between two extractions. » » Furthermore, the truth is that the technicians usually harvest much » less: » » less than 10 grafts per cm2. For example, in the case of » scissorboy. » » And in this traditional FUE case (photo below)? And WHY? » » » Spanish Dud, » do YOU still have such a large donor area on the back of your head like the » guy on the photo above? Spanish Dude is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Spanish Dude 10.07.2011, 13:47 @ Iron_Man	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	» » » » » Because Gho is a liar, so nobody is interested in your » thread » » » » anymore - » » » » » case closed. » » » » » » » » it is totally possible! » » » » » » Sure, you proved it, resp. you "unveiled" it. » » » » yep! » » you see, we are finally friends » » Right, and because of that, and because roger_that always bash me due to my » bad English skills and unfortunately I really don’t understand what they » talk about, could you please make and post a short (but precise) » ‘transcript’ what Dr. Gho, in fact, told Kobren ESPECIALLY concerning his » HST harvesting technique (how many HST FU’s he extracts within a given » area and especially why etc - just THIS part)? Thanks in advance! I will transcript this part for you. Maybe today, maybe tomorrow. Spanish Dude is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Iron_Man 10.07.2011, 13:50 @ Spanish Dude	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	» I will transcript this part for you. Maybe today, maybe tomorrow. Cool, thanks. Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process … Post reply
Iron_Man 10.07.2011, 13:59 @ Spanish Dude	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	» In a traditional FUE they won't harvest 57.7 grafts per cm2 because that » will create a bald spot, that is why. As there is no regeneration in » traditional FUE its logical to try to "spread the damage as much as » possible" to avoid thinning. Correct, that is 1 important reason. And what happens if this patient (photo) needs THE SAME NUMBER (as already extracted/isolated) again? But besides the 1st importent reason you mention, what's the other VERY IMPORTANT reason? Someone else any clue? Hint: I'm not talking about "better healing" or "better donor regeneraton" or both. I'm talking about another important reason ... Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process … Post reply
Stevie.Dee 10.07.2011, 14:18 @ Iron_Man	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	Can you guys please stop with teasing each other? Just get to the point both of you. In traditional FUE if you harvest a whole area completely you will have a full blown scar area (iceberg scars whatever it doesnt matter because its scar tissue) also the moment you extract all the grafts in one area you have a highly possibility of inflammation concentrated on one area (reddish etc) When you let one graft at least between extracted Grafts, thos areas in a HST way will of course regenerate faster and efficient, because if it comes hard to hard, the sourround grafts are animated to support the regenerating graft (at least when we believe the theory about interaction of follicles) Of course you can harvest an complete area with HST but i think the healing time will drastically increase until you have a regenerated follicle. Also inflammation will rise. And i am honest the other reason for him is to get as much money as f*cking possible Also the most important aspect and part is the following Your Donor CAN (i am not saying it will) but can decrease over time, so that you have only a small band of REAL DHT resitent hairs or Grafts available, its the REAL SAFE DONOR ZONE and if you only focus on this "smaller" then usual area, well you have to accept the fact that you can harvest only smaller amount of Grafts. But i have to say Gho is overly careful here and i think even his stuff wants to do larger sessions And this is the reason why i say lets begin early with a new standard, because even if you are NW4 now and you start with your HST or whatever regeneration technique today, after around 2 or 3 sessions you overtake your hair loss progress, even without medication or combover or scars. My estimation is, that a surgeon who adapts this technique and gets for a very conservative donor grafting session, could easily extract 3000 Grafts from the Real Safe Zone and after one year again. We need around 12.000 Grafts for a blank NW6 to 7 guy to get a dense 70 result on a scale of around 250 square centimeters area. So you have to get 4 transplants which would equal around 4 years. Or if you are getting dangerous, you could as well harvest from NOT SO SAFE Zones as well and increase the graft harvesting. But this can only be achieved by............................ Creating a new standard of hair transplants..........End of story Stevie.Dee is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
roger_that JAMAICA, 10.07.2011, 14:32 @ Spanish Dude	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	This is one of the reasons why I am suggesting that the donor hair on our HairSite test subject be harvested only from a very small circular zone, maybe the size of a 1 Euro coin. This will eliminate Dr. Gho's ability to disperse the donor sites across a large area and thereby hide any failure of the donor follicles to regrow. If the donor site is kept very small, failure of the follicles to regrow will eventually be quite noticeable. However, I disagree with SD's idea of implanting the grafts on the back of the head. To show long-term viability of the grafts, i.e., that they can keep growing in skin normally susceptible to MPB, they should be implanted in a bald area. We already know that conventional hair transplants have a variable yield, and some don't permanently "take". This can be caused by an inhospitable environment in the recipient area, the tissue of which is DHT sensitive. Especially in an experiment where full follicles aren't being transplanted, but instead only pieces of follicles (albeit bearing stem cells, according to Gho), I think we need to confirm that these follicular pieces can generate healthy, permanent cycling hairs in a real bald area. The ONLY justification SD can come up with for implanting them at the back of the head is really cosmetic, and that's not really a good enough justification because it doesn't trump what I said above. All of SD's other justifications for this idea of putting grafts at the back of the head are muddled, overly complicated, not based on sensible or coherent principles. roger_that is located in JAMAICA and he is available to meet: YES email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting. Post reply
Iron_Man 10.07.2011, 14:58 @ Stevie.Dee	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	» Can you guys please stop with teasing each other? » » Just get to the point both of you. Sorry, but what are you talking about?? Spanish Dud and I are the best friends - at least in THIS thread. The point of BOTH? The point of BOTH has absolutely NOTHING to do with most of the parts of YOUR posts - or YOUR personal intentions!! Can't you read Spanish Dud's headline/topic title???? Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process … Post reply
Skywalker The Corridor of Uncertainty, 10.07.2011, 15:18 @ Iron_Man	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	"This is one of the reasons why I am suggesting that the donor hair on our HairSite test subject be harvested only from a very small circular zone, maybe the size of a 1 Euro coin." ========================================================== Roger_That, I believe that the size of a Euro coin is 4.24 cm2. It is hard to see how HASCI could not agree to that as an extraction site for 50 grafts. It seems to be very reasonable to me. Skywalker is located in THE CORRIDOR OF UNCERTAINTY and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Iron_Man 10.07.2011, 15:32 @ Spanish Dude	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	I just counted all the white dots, which are simply obvious on this photo. I would estimate, that this patient got anywhere between 1000 - 1200 traditional FUE grafts (1000 - 1200 traditional FUE grafts/FU's were extracted/isolated from the patients donor area all in all). Also, it seems that the HT physician extracted/isolated the grafts far beyond the so called "safe zone". What exactly told Dr. Gho Mr. Kobren especially concerning THIS issue? Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process … Post reply
Spanish Dude 10.07.2011, 15:43 @ roger_that	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	The idea of puting the grafts at the back of the head (in the neck) is for maximum conveniency to the trialist (they can be concealed by the hair at the back) and they will stay there isolated for ever regardless of any further hair transplant that he eventually could have in his bald areas above. Also, as this test area in the neck will remain isolated, there is no need for tatoos. I know that it would be better to plant them in a DHT susceptible (and bald) area, but the chances of finding a candidate who is willing to have this bunch of isolated hairs there for a long time is small (I think). » This is one of the reasons why I am suggesting that the donor hair on our » HairSite test subject be harvested only from a very small circular zone, » maybe the size of a 1 Euro coin. » » This will eliminate Dr. Gho's ability to disperse the donor sites across a » large area and thereby hide any failure of the donor follicles to regrow. » » If the donor site is kept very small, failure of the follicles to regrow » will eventually be quite noticeable. » » However, I disagree with SD's idea of implanting the grafts on the back of » the head. » » To show long-term viability of the grafts, i.e., that they can keep growing » in skin normally susceptible to MPB, they should be implanted in a bald » area. » » We already know that conventional hair transplants have a variable yield, » and some don't permanently "take". This can be caused by an inhospitable » environment in the recipient area, the tissue of which is DHT sensitive. » » Especially in an experiment where full follicles aren't being transplanted, » but instead only pieces of follicles (albeit bearing stem cells, according » to Gho), I think we need to confirm that these follicular pieces can » generate healthy, permanent cycling hairs in a real bald area. » » The ONLY justification SD can come up with for implanting them at the back » of the head is really cosmetic, and that's not really a good enough » justification because it doesn't trump what I said above. » » All of SD's other justifications for this idea of putting grafts at the » back of the head are muddled, overly complicated, not based on sensible or » coherent principles. Spanish Dude is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Spanish Dude 10.07.2011, 15:57 @ Iron_Man	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	» » In a traditional FUE they won't harvest 57.7 grafts per cm2 because that » » will create a bald spot, that is why. As » there is no regeneration in » » traditional FUE its logical to try to "spread the damage as much as » » possible" to avoid thinning. » » Correct, that is 1 important reason. And what happens if this patient » (photo) needs THE SAME NUMBER (as already extracted/isolated) again? if there is still enough density, he will need to spread again the extraction sites across the whole area. » » But besides the 1st importent reason you mention, what's the other VERY » IMPORTANT reason? Someone else any clue? » Hint: I'm not talking about "better healing" or "better donor regeneraton" » or both. I'm talking about another important reason ... I think it was discussed in the HT forum... the need to avoid two consecutive white spots because this would create noticeable voids. Is this what you are aiming at? In the case of Gho, this would not be the case, because at 1 week, the donor regenerates, as happened in the JDT trialists. So, it doesn't matter if Gho harvest 2 consecutive grafts, there won't be any "big gap". This is IF Gho is telling the truth. But of course, it is strange: Gho told Spencer that his technicians try always to leave 1 hair in between each 2 extraction sites... maybe they are trying to avoid the "big voids", just as normal FUE surgeons... this would mean that donor doesn't regenerate!! I will do the transcript when I can. Spanish Dude is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
roger_that JAMAICA, 10.07.2011, 16:06 @ Spanish Dude	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	SD, how about asking the members and the general public (in the form of an advert, as you proposed), if they would like to participate in the trial and have HST follicles implanted in their bald area? We never know who we'll find until we ask... I think there will be candidates who are willing to do this. In fact, it's best if we go with someone who shaves his entire head (but still has good donor hair). And preferably someone very close to Gho's clinics. Too bad the Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn isn't still alive, he would have been perfect! roger_that is located in JAMAICA and he is available to meet: YES email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting. Post reply
Stevie.Dee 10.07.2011, 16:07 @ Spanish Dude	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	Your Donor CAN (i am not saying it will) but can decrease over time, so that you have only a small band of REAL DHT resitent hairs or Grafts available, its the REAL SAFE DONOR ZONE and if you only focus on this "smaller" then usual area, well you have to accept the fact that you can harvest only smaller amount of Grafts. But i have to say Gho is overly careful here and i think even his stuff wants to do larger sessions Stevie.Dee is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Spanish Dude 10.07.2011, 19:10 @ Iron_Man	TRANSCRIPT, interview, regarding harvesting density
	» » I will transcript this part for you. Maybe today, maybe tomorrow. » » Cool, thanks. Okay, it is quite short, so I did it quickly: TRANSCRIPT Part2, minute 4: Spencer: What about the microscopic scarring that can be caused by the extraction process, or a confluence of scarring once there are potentially thousands of grafts removed. Couldn't that inhibit the regrowth of the donor area? Gho: Yes, of course, thats why we advise not to extract more than 2k grafts per session. If you extract, and thats is also an issue, where people, "oh, we can, with FUE, we can extract 6k grafts!" We don't advise to extract more than 2k grafts. WHY? Every wound needs a healing area. Why is the healing area so important? Just look at, If you make one little cut in your arm, for example, it will heal perfectly. When you make 1 or 2 or 3 cuts very near to each other, it will not heal properly. And that is also for the donor area. When you extract too close to each other, of course, the healing area is not as perfect as it should be, and therefore can create sometimes pinpoint scars, and that is why we learned, the doctors and the technicians here, to always leave one hair in between the extraction(s). Spanish Dude is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Spanish Dude 10.07.2011, 19:25 @ Iron_Man	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	When you say that the doctor extracted far beyond the safe zone, you mean that he extracted grafts too close to the crown, right? I think Gho didn't tell Kobren anything about going above the safe zone. I think this subject was not touched. He spoke about extracting grafts too close to each other, thats in my transcript that I have just posted. » » » » I just counted all the white dots, which are simply obvious on this photo. » I would estimate, that this patient got anywhere between 1000 - 1200 » traditional FUE grafts (1000 - 1200 traditional FUE grafts/FU's were » extracted/isolated from the patients donor area all in all). » Also, it seems that the HT physician extracted/isolated the grafts far » beyond the so called "safe zone". » » What exactly told Dr. Gho Mr. Kobren especially concerning THIS issue? Spanish Dude is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Stevie.Dee 10.07.2011, 19:29 @ Spanish Dude	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	And now whats the point Attention Whore? What is your point Stevie.Dee is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Spanish Dude 10.07.2011, 19:32 @ roger_that	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	Stevie.Dee and I, are "advertising" this trial in haarweb. It is a good forum, I think we can find interesting potential volunteers there. I am also positive, if we have patience, we will find someone, somewhere. Re. the general public, what do you mean? advertising on a newspaper? no way! » SD, how about asking the members and the general public (in the form of an » advert, as you proposed), if they would like to participate in the trial » and have HST follicles implanted in their bald area? » » We never know who we'll find until we ask... » » I think there will be candidates who are willing to do this. » » In fact, it's best if we go with someone who shaves his entire head (but » still has good donor hair). » » And preferably someone very close to Gho's clinics. » » Too bad the Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn isn't still alive, he would have » been perfect! » » Spanish Dude is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Spanish Dude 10.07.2011, 19:35 @ Stevie.Dee	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	» And now whats the point Attention Whore? What is your point I just don't know what is Iron_Man's point. Spanish Dude is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Skywalker The Corridor of Uncertainty, 10.07.2011, 19:38 @ Spanish Dude	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	I would just add that Spanish Dude's transcript is word for word correct. Skywalker is located in THE CORRIDOR OF UNCERTAINTY and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Spanish Dude 10.07.2011, 19:41 @ Stevie.Dee	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	» Your Donor CAN (i am not saying it will) but can decrease over time, so » that you have only a small band of REAL DHT resitent hairs or Grafts » available, its the REAL SAFE DONOR ZONE and if you only focus on this » "smaller" then usual area, well you have to accept the fact that you can » harvest only smaller amount of Grafts. But i have to say Gho is overly » careful here and i think even his stuff wants to do larger sessions Stevie, Gho didn't talk anything about using a smaller, lower, safe zone. What he said is that the grafts should not be extracted too close to each other because if so, they won't heal properly. And they always leave 1 hair between two extractions to ensure good healing. But that was not the case in the JDT test, where he extracted 75% of the available hairs, and it healed 98.5% perfect. Spanish Dude is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Spanish Dude 10.07.2011, 19:45 @ Skywalker	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	» I would just add that Spanish Dude's transcript is word for word correct. thanks. I normally have difficulties to understand spoken english, but in this case it was relatively easy for me. Spanish Dude is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Stevie.Dee 10.07.2011, 19:47 @ Spanish Dude	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	» » Your Donor CAN (i am not saying it will) but can decrease over time, so » » that you have only a small band of REAL DHT resitent hairs or Grafts » » available, its the REAL SAFE DONOR ZONE and if you only focus on this » » "smaller" then usual area, well you have to accept the fact that you can » » harvest only smaller amount of Grafts. But i have to say Gho is overly » » careful here and i think even his stuff wants to do larger sessions » » Stevie, Gho didn't talk anything about using a smaller, lower, safe zone. » What he said is that the grafts should not be extracted too close to each » other because if so, they won't heal properly. And they always leave 1 hair » between two extractions to ensure good healing. But that was not the case » in the JDT test, where he extracted 75% of the available hairs, and it » healed 98.5% perfect. Then phone them for christs sake, but dont start IronMan two man shows. Man just call the Hasci and ask for an answer and your good man. I mean what do you expect hmm, you come up with stuff all the time but you dont have the guts to phone them? For crying out loud, even i had the guts to put myself totally on the line with being pro active etc. Should i call hasci for this answer or what? Nope no its time for others to do some actions here, i am tired thanks to guys like you. If you want ANSWERS search the SOURCE Stevie.Dee is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Iron_Man 23.07.2011, 11:14 @ Spanish Dude	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	» TRANSCRIPT Part2, minute 4: » » Spencer: What about the microscopic scarring that can be caused by » the extraction process, or a confluence of scarring once there are » potentially thousands of grafts removed. Couldn't that inhibit the regrowth » of the donor area? » » Gho: Yes, of course, thats why we advise not to extract more than 2k » grafts per session. If you extract, and thats is also an issue, where » people, "oh, we can, with FUE, we can extract 6k grafts!" We don't advise » to extract more than 2k grafts. WHY? Every wound needs a healing area. » Why is the healing area so important? Just look at, If you make one little » cut in your arm, for example, it will heal perfectly. When you make 1 or 2 » or 3 cuts very near to each other, it will not heal properly. And that is » also for the donor area. When you extract too close to each other, of » course, the healing area is not as perfect as it should be, and therefore » can create sometimes pinpoint scars, and that is why we learned, the » doctors and the technicians here, to always leave one hair in between the » extraction(s). THANKS Spanish Dud ex post facto for your short transcript. So, compare you initial created topic title with your transcript (explanations by Gho = facts) … So what’s the REAL point?? Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process … Post reply
Spanish Dude 23.07.2011, 12:39 @ Iron_Man	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	» » THANKS Spanish Dud ex post facto for your short transcript. » » So, compare you initial created topic title with your transcript » (explanations by Gho = facts) … » » So what’s the REAL point?? The real point is very easy: in the video-interview Gho says that its not possible to harvest too tight, and they always leave 1 hair in between. But in the Journal of Dermatological treatment, Gho extracted 75% of available grafts in the test area and claimed regeneration was close to 100%. Now keep playing the fool. Spanish Dude is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Iron_Man 23.07.2011, 13:38 @ Spanish Dude	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	» The real point is very easy: in the video-interview Gho says that its not » possible to harvest too tight, and they always leave 1 hair in between. I really wonder how often I have to explain the same sh’t over and over again until you and your “low IQ colleague” hairman2 get it … Source: http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-88761-page-0-category-1-order-last_answer.html Gho always harvests FOLLICULAR UNITS from the donor area! You can't leave just "1 hair" in between the extraction sites - but you can (in fact INEVITABLE) leave at least 1 FOLLICULAR UNIT in between! Therefore, Gho CAN'T harvest "57 GRAFTS (= hair shaftS bearing follicular UNITS) just from an 1 cm² area! Again, try to harvest 57 grafts/1.0 cm² (!) from a guy with just ~77 grafts/FU's per 1.0 cm² (e.g. I myself have ~77 FUs/cm²). Cool. No way (!!) for leaving at least 1 graft in between such a too small area! NO WAY! That's the reason why Dr. Gho has been forced to enlage the test area appropriately (1.5 x 1.5 cm and NOT 1.0 x 1.0 cm)) in the study. Got it? I guess still no ... Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process … Post reply
Skywalker The Corridor of Uncertainty, 23.07.2011, 13:40 @ Spanish Dude	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	» The real point is very easy: in the video-interview Gho says that its not » possible to harvest too tight, and they always leave 1 hair in between. » But in the Journal of Dermatological treatment, Gho extracted 75% of » available grafts in the test area and claimed regeneration was close to » 100%. » » Now keep playing the fool. The point has been noted Spanish Dude, but it doesn't invalidate the possibility the process works - perhaps Dr Gho found that donor regeneration was more consistent when the grafts were extracted further apart - who knows ? You are the one that thinks it is a massive issue - yet when we suggest you talk to the clinic you bottle it - as usual. Skywalker is located in THE CORRIDOR OF UNCERTAINTY and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Iron_Man 23.07.2011, 13:46 @ Skywalker	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	» ... perhaps Dr Gho found that donor » regeneration was more consistent when the grafts were extracted further » apart - who knows ? Gho knows - because he CLEARLY explained that issue in the Kobren/Gho interview - see Spanish Dud's Kobren/Gho TRANSCRIPT posts above! Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process … Post reply
Spanish Dude 23.07.2011, 15:21 @ Skywalker	did Gerard Joling reply to your email Skywalker?
	Did you contact Joling? Did he replied to your email Skywalker? » » The real point is very easy: in the video-interview Gho says that its » not » » possible to harvest too tight, and they always leave 1 hair in between. » » But in the Journal of Dermatological treatment, Gho extracted 75% of » » available grafts in the test area and claimed regeneration was close to » » 100%. » » » » Now keep playing the fool. » » The point has been noted Spanish Dude, but it doesn't invalidate the » possibility the process works - perhaps Dr Gho found that donor » regeneration was more consistent when the grafts were extracted further » apart - who knows ? » » You are the one that thinks it is a massive issue - yet when we suggest you » talk to the clinic you bottle it - as usual. Spanish Dude is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Spanish Dude 23.07.2011, 15:30 @ Iron_Man	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	Of course, Gho said "we always leave 1 hair between extractions" but he meant "1 graft". Don't play the fool Iron_Man, it is very clear what Gho meant. But in the JDT, I say again, he harvested 75% of grafts in the outlined area, so he didn't leave 1 graft between! » » The real point is very easy: in the video-interview Gho says that its » not » » possible to harvest too tight, and they always leave 1 » hair in between. » » I really wonder how often I have to explain the same sh’t over and over » again until you and your “low IQ colleague” hairman2 get it … » » Source: » http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-88761-page-0-category-1-order-last_answer.html » » » Gho always harvests FOLLICULAR UNITS from the donor area! You can't leave » just "1 hair" in between the extraction sites - but you can (in fact » INEVITABLE) leave at least 1 FOLLICULAR UNIT in between! » » Therefore, Gho CAN'T harvest "57 GRAFTS (= hair shaftS bearing » follicular UNITS) just from an 1 cm² area! Again, » try to harvest 57 grafts/1.0 cm² (!) from a guy with just ~77 grafts/FU's » per 1.0 cm² (e.g. I myself have ~77 FUs/cm²). Cool. No way (!!) for leaving » at least 1 graft in between such a too small area! NO WAY! » That's the reason why Dr. Gho has been forced to enlage the test area » appropriately (1.5 x 1.5 cm and NOT 1.0 x 1.0 cm)) in the study. » » Got it? » I guess still no ... Spanish Dude is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Skywalker The Corridor of Uncertainty, 23.07.2011, 15:30 @ Spanish Dude	did Gerard Joling reply to your email Skywalker?
	» Did you contact Joling? Did he replied to your email Skywalker? » I did contact Joling, he hasn't replied to date - but why are you asking Spanish Dude ? You are always keen to hear and criticise what others do but you do nothing yourself. Skywalker is located in THE CORRIDOR OF UNCERTAINTY and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Spanish Dude 23.07.2011, 15:35 @ Skywalker	so, Gerard Joling didn't reply?
	» » Did you contact Joling? Did he replied to your email Skywalker? » » » » » I did contact Joling, he hasn't replied to date - but why are you asking » Spanish Dude ? You are always keen to hear and criticise what others do but » you do nothing yourself. I am not surprised. Gho's clinic (HASCI) doesn't reply to emails, you know? So whats the point on me emailing them? And my english is bad on the phone. Besides, as soon as I say I am Spanish Dude, they will hang the phone or put me in waiting. I know of other persons who phoned them and when they asked the right questions the doctors answered with lies. Spanish Dude is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Skywalker The Corridor of Uncertainty, 23.07.2011, 15:42 @ Spanish Dude	so, Gerard Joling didn't reply?
	» » Gho's clinic (HASCI) doesn't reply to emails, you know? So whats the point » on me emailing them? I was persistent, they replied to my email. » And my english is bad on the phone. Besides, as soon as I say I am Spanish » Dude, they will hang the phone or put me in waiting. You don't have to tell them you are "Spanish Dude" - not that they will have a clue about that moniker anyway - nobody has ever heard of you ! » I know of other persons who phoned them and when they asked the right » questions the doctors answered with lies. Excuse after excuse after excuse... Skywalker is located in THE CORRIDOR OF UNCERTAINTY and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Spanish Dude 23.07.2011, 15:53 @ Skywalker	so, Gerard Joling didn't reply?
	» » » » Gho's clinic (HASCI) doesn't reply to emails, you know? So whats the » point » » on me emailing them? » » I was persistent, they replied to my email. » » » » And my english is bad on the phone. Besides, as soon as I say I am » Spanish » » Dude, they will hang the phone or put me in waiting. » » You don't have to tell them you are "Spanish Dude" - not that they will » have a clue about that moniker anyway - nobody has ever heard of you ! Of course, and nobody has ever heard about Hairsite. We are in different planets. Again, are you playing the stupid, or are you really that stupid!? » » I know of other persons who phoned them and when they asked the right » » questions the doctors answered with lies. » » Excuse after excuse after excuse... okay, I will consider emailing them if you tell me that they finally reply after insisting. Spanish Dude is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Iron_Man 23.07.2011, 21:43 @ Spanish Dude	so, Gerard Joling didn't reply?
	» I know of other persons who phoned them and when they asked the right » questions the doctors answered with lies. And I know of other persons who claim that Spanish Dud is, in fact, homosexual. Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process … Post reply
needhairasap 23.07.2011, 22:50 @ Spanish Dude	so, Gerard Joling didn't reply?
	» » » Did you contact Joling? Did he replied to your email Skywalker? » » » » » » » » » I did contact Joling, he hasn't replied to date - but » why are you asking » » Spanish Dude ? You are always keen to hear and criticise what others do » but » » you do nothing yourself. » » I am not surprised. » » Gho's clinic (HASCI) doesn't reply to emails, you know? So whats the point » on me emailing them? » And my english is bad on the phone. Besides, as soon as I say I am Spanish » Dude, they will hang the phone or put me in waiting. » I know of other persons who phoned them and when they asked the right » questions the doctors answered with lies. omg your a moron I've emailed hasci multiple times and been emailed back promptly... something tells me instead of asking questions your coming across like an a hole interrogating them. Either way they've responded promptly every time and been more than happy to send loads of attachments of his peer reviewed articles and whatever else. They were also understanding when I told them it was hard to believe it regenerated hair. They, without beating around the bush, answered my very specific question: once a graft is taken... and it supposedly regrows... can you in a year or so reharvest that graft again and have it again regrow (in the donor and recipient again).... they promptly and directly without and legal jump though hoop hearsay blah blah gargabage that YES you can re use that same graft over again and yes it will regenerate thats a pretty straight forward lie if it is one... and with all the other clinics in no rush to adapt to the new technology because they have plenty of people coming in.... why would gho just lie? I mean the guys books would be pretty full either way so why lie? does he feel him and his family would be better off if he tried to pull a massive hoax on people for four months until they figure it out? come on man get your head out your arse »"I know of other persons who phoned them and when they asked the right » questions....... the doctors answered with lies!!!" haha spanish dude look out! everyone is lying to you! 9-11 was an inside job! specifically..... what lies? or just "lies" in general lol? needhairasap is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Iron_Man 24.07.2011, 04:48 @ Spanish Dude	dr. Gho CAN harvest 57 grafts per cm2. Why did he told Spencer the opposite?
	» Of course, Gho said "we always leave 1 hair between extractions" but he » meant "1 graft". Don't play the fool Iron_Man, it is very clear what Gho » meant. » » But in the JDT, I say again [bullsh't], he harvested 75% of grafts in the outlined » area, so he didn't leave 1 graft between! Really? I can count ... 100 green dots/grafts (= extractions) 120 blue dots (= remaining grafts - maybe some more) Meaning, Dr. Gho harvested ~45.5% from the outlined area (1.5 x 1.5 cm = 2.25cm²). But try to count and calculate for yourself via the 'original' photos ... http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-88485-page-1-category-1-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html btw - If I would have the real ORIGINAL photos/camera-data (original resolution etc) on my hard drive, I could calculate everything far more precise (even every single hair shaft, terminal vs. vellus hairs etc etc). Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process … Post reply
Stevie.Dee 24.07.2011, 05:07 @ Iron_Man	Enjoy IronMan
	Enjoy IronMan : http://www.alopezie.de/fud/index.php/t/19563/#page_top Stevie.Dee is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Iron_Man 24.07.2011, 06:32 @ Stevie.Dee	Enjoy IronMan
	» Enjoy IronMan : » » http://www.alopezie.de/fud/index.php/t/19563/#page_top The so-called "experts" demonstrate perfectly why Dr. Gho never ever explained the HST technique precise in detail - Gho knows that he would just talk with uneducated from A to B transplanters (besides many other reasons). And about 90% in this so-called hair loss industry ARE just "from A to B trained transplanters". btw - someone should tell "Dr" Azar he should at least try ... 1) to improve his poor eduaction in PHYSICS ; 2) to improve his three dimensional/spatial thinking; ... BEFORE he tries to understand Gho's technique. Für solche Ansagen, wie ich sie gerade gelesen habe, müsste allen diesen Deppen eigentlich nicht nur die Lizenz weggenommen werden, sondern diese Typen am besten auch gleich kastriert werden - damit sich so viel Dummheit nicht genetisch weiterverbreiten kann - würde ich mal meinen. Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process … Post reply
Stevie.Dee 24.07.2011, 07:15 @ Iron_Man	Enjoy IronMan
	Entschuldige dass ich dein grinsen nicht teilen kann, denn für mich ist das größte Sauerei die ich jemals gelesen habe. Hier zeigt sich eines ganz klar, dass dieses deutsche Portal tatsächlich gekauft ist und die Patienten fast allen Kliniken egal sind. Bedauerlich dass niemand etwas gegen solche offensichtlichen Dinge unternimmt. Alle Leser dieses deutschen Forums, ich hoffe euch ist bewusst dass ihr mal richtiggehend verarscht werdet und dass ihr niemals eine ernsthafte und faire Diskussion über HM erhalten werdet dort, denn dies würde die Grundlage der Kliniken dort zerstören. Ihr werdet dort auch keine Fortschritte über Ari und Histogen fair erhalten und auch keine Fortschritte über Cooleys Studien. Jeder der sich mit diesem Forum solidarisiert hat leider verloren. Ich sehe dort Leute die 5000er FUT hatten und nun wütend werden wenn man das Wort HM nur in den Mund nimmt. Das zeigt mir nur eines, genau diese FUT Opfer hassen sich dafür dass sie eine FUT hatten weil sie insgeheim genau wissen "Verdammt der Gho Bastard funktioniert scheisse scheisse" SO right now lets hope that Cole will get in touch with Gho and other clinics as well, because it seems that the other clinics dont want my Euros Stevie.Dee is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
hairman2 24.07.2011, 08:04 @ Iron_Man	Enjoy IronMan
	» » Enjoy IronMan : » » » » http://www.alopezie.de/fud/index.php/t/19563/#page_top » » The so-called "experts" demonstrate perfectly why Dr. Gho never ever » explained the HST technique precise in detail - Gho knows that he would » just talk with uneducated from A to B transplanters (besides many other » reasons). And about 90% in this so-called hair loss industry ARE just "from » A to B trained transplanters". » » btw - someone should tell "Dr" Azar he should at least try ... » » 1) to improve his poor eduaction in PHYSICS ; » 2) to improve his three dimensional/spatial thinking; » » ... BEFORE he tries to understand Gho's technique. » » Für solche Ansagen, wie ich sie gerade gelesen habe, müsste allen diesen » Deppen eigentlich nicht nur die Lizenz weggenommen werden, sondern diese » Typen am besten auch gleich kastriert werden - damit sich so viel Dummheit » nicht genetisch weiterverbreiten kann - würde ich mal meinen. for everyone who doesnt understand what is going on.. on the alopezia.de forum, there is a hair transplant doctor in berlin who has analyzed the picture of the grafts shown by the german Gho patient. Since neither Stevie.Dee nor Iron_Man have translated the post I will do so here: http://alopezie.de/foren/transplant/index.php?t=msg&goto=63157 [first explains what Gho is all about] In other words: You gain two hairs from one. An interesting approach, which however is can not be taken seriously by FUE experts. Why can't Gho's theory be taken seriously? The publication and the described approach has some issues which should be taken seriously and be answered by Dr. Gho: 1) why are there no after-photographs of the donor zone? 2) why was a magnification of only 2x used when selecting suitable transplants? 3) how did he manage to cut longitudinally down 85% of all grafts and more importantly how did he manage to make a clean tangential cut along the follicular unit? This is not even achievable in a histological cut procedure in a laboratory, even though we have a clear view of the entire follicle there! 4) how could he produce such a high growth rate of 98% with such a hair follicle "damaging" procedure? Maybe it would help to take a look at some pictures of his publication: http://alopezie.de/foren/transplant/index.php/fa/11192/ ---- some user replies that he agrees with Dr. Azar but that perhaps it is due to the solution which is used to maintain the follicles in. ---- after close examination of the picture in the post http://alopezie.de/foren/transplant/index.php/t/4621/ which depicts the "taken grafts" in a petri-dish according to gho's method, I can say the following: http://alopezie.de/foren/transplant/index.php/fa/11201/ I. The grafts were taken according to a classical FUE-method. A longitudinal cut of the grafts, as described by Dr. Gho can not be determined. See picture: http://alopezie.de/foren/transplant/index.php/fa/11202/ II. The sebaceous gland for many grafts are circular and in tact. This is further evidence that no longitudinal cut has occured. Further, one would expect a removal of the sebaceous gland from the follicle, when using a 0.5 or 0.6 cannula. Therefor, the grafts should not show any or very little of the sebaceous gland - as seen in Gho's publication. see the following pictures for II: http://alopezie.de/foren/transplant/index.php/fa/11203/ http://alopezie.de/foren/transplant/index.php/fa/11204/ III. when assuming a hair thickness of 0.07 mm (referring to the publication of Gho et al), the cutting width of the cannula in the graft seen in the picture would be 1.05 mm. In other words i believe a cannula with a minimal width of 0.85 mm was used for the extraction of the follicular unit. see image: http://alopezie.de/foren/transplant/index.php/fa/11205/ ---- This is a summary of Dr. Azars criticism. I am mostly translating this because I feel that Iron_Man and Stevie.Dee are trying to withhold critical standpoints, which are unfavorable of their opinion. I feel they more interested in "being right again" than actually finding out the truth Further Iron_Man's counter that Dr. Azar should improve his knowledge of physics and 3dimensional spatial thinking, proves that he has no real arguments to discredit what has been said and is attempting to discredit the doctor's intellectual capacity as a last resort. I'm not sure if he is aware of how ridiculous he is. hairman2 is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Iron_Man 24.07.2011, 08:17 @ hairman2	Enjoy IronMan
	» I'm not sure if he is » aware of how ridiculous he is. But I'm absolutely sure how ridiculous you are - like e.g. in the graft counting threads - actually EVERY thread, Mr. alopezie.de. And your so-called "doctor" IS NOT a "DOCTOR" - like the other strip-joker in this german thread! Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process … Post reply
Stevie.Dee 24.07.2011, 08:45 @ Iron_Man	Enjoy IronMan
	» » I'm not sure if he is » » aware of how ridiculous he is. » » But I'm absolutely sure how ridiculous you are - like e.g. in the graft » counting threads - actually EVERY thread, Mr. alopezie.de. » » And your so-called "doctor" IS NOT a "DOCTOR" - like the other strip-joker » in this german thread! This guy is not the real Andreas Staedgen is he? With his Sensitive AG Stevie.Dee is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Spanish Dude 24.07.2011, 08:52 @ hairman2	hairman2, images don't work
	thanks hairman2. But the links you posted for images don't work. You might also want to copy the information in this thread: http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-88964-page-0-category-2-order-last_answer.html » » » Enjoy IronMan : » » » » » » http://www.alopezie.de/fud/index.php/t/19563/#page_top » » » » The so-called "experts" demonstrate perfectly why Dr. Gho never ever » » explained the HST technique precise in detail - Gho knows that he would » » just talk with uneducated from A to B transplanters (besides many other » » reasons). And about 90% in this so-called hair loss industry ARE just » "from » » A to B trained transplanters". » » » » btw - someone should tell "Dr" Azar he should at least try ... » » » » 1) to improve his poor eduaction in PHYSICS ; » » 2) to improve his three dimensional/spatial thinking; » » » » ... BEFORE he tries to understand Gho's technique. » » » » Für solche Ansagen, wie ich sie gerade gelesen habe, müsste allen diesen » » Deppen eigentlich nicht nur die Lizenz weggenommen werden, sondern diese » » Typen am besten auch gleich kastriert werden - damit sich so viel » Dummheit » » nicht genetisch weiterverbreiten kann - würde ich mal meinen. » » » for everyone who doesnt understand what is going on.. on the alopezia.de » forum, there is a hair transplant doctor in berlin who has analyzed the » picture of the grafts shown by the german Gho patient. Since neither » Stevie.Dee nor Iron_Man have translated the post I will do so here: » » http://alopezie.de/foren/transplant/index.php?t=msg&goto=63157 » [first explains what Gho is all about] » » In other words: You gain two hairs from one. » » An interesting approach, which however is can not be taken seriously by FUE » experts. » » Why can't Gho's theory be taken seriously? » » The publication and the described approach has some issues which should be » taken seriously and be answered by Dr. Gho: » » 1) why are there no after-photographs of the donor zone? » 2) why was a magnification of only 2x used when selecting suitable » transplants? » 3) how did he manage to cut longitudinally down 85% of all grafts and more » importantly how did he manage to make a clean tangential cut along the » follicular unit? » » This is not even achievable in a histological cut procedure in a » laboratory, even though we have a clear view of the entire follicle there! » » 4) how could he produce such a high growth rate of 98% with such a hair » follicle "damaging" procedure? » » Maybe it would help to take a look at some pictures of his publication: » http://alopezie.de/foren/transplant/index.php/fa/11192/ » » ---- » some user replies that he agrees with Dr. Azar but that perhaps it is due » to the solution which is used to maintain the follicles in. » ---- » after close examination of the picture in the post » http://alopezie.de/foren/transplant/index.php/t/4621/ which depicts the » "taken grafts" in a petri-dish according to gho's method, I can say the » following: » http://alopezie.de/foren/transplant/index.php/fa/11201/ » » » I. The grafts were taken according to a classical FUE-method. A » longitudinal cut of the grafts, as described by Dr. Gho can not be » determined. » » See picture: http://alopezie.de/foren/transplant/index.php/fa/11202/ » » II. The sebaceous gland for many grafts are circular and in tact. This is » further evidence that no longitudinal cut has occured. Further, one would » expect a removal of the sebaceous gland from the follicle, when using a 0.5 » or 0.6 cannula. Therefor, the grafts should not show any or very little of » the sebaceous gland - as seen in Gho's publication. » » see the following pictures for II: » http://alopezie.de/foren/transplant/index.php/fa/11203/ » http://alopezie.de/foren/transplant/index.php/fa/11204/ » » III. when assuming a hair thickness of 0.07 mm (referring to the » publication of Gho et al), the cutting width of the cannula in the graft » seen in the picture would be 1.05 mm. In other words i believe a cannula » with a minimal width of 0.85 mm was used for the extraction of the » follicular unit. » » see image: » http://alopezie.de/foren/transplant/index.php/fa/11205/ » » ---- » » This is a summary of Dr. Azars criticism. I am mostly translating this » because I feel that Iron_Man and Stevie.Dee are trying to withhold critical » standpoints, which are unfavorable of their opinion. I feel they more » interested in "being right again" than actually finding out the truth » » » Further Iron_Man's counter that Dr. Azar should improve his knowledge of » physics and 3dimensional spatial thinking, proves that he has no real » arguments to discredit what has been said and is attempting to discredit » the doctor's intellectual capacity as a last resort. I'm not sure if he is » aware of how ridiculous he is. Spanish Dude is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Stevie.Dee 24.07.2011, 09:40 @ Spanish Dude	hairman2, images don't work
	You are an unthankful bastard. Even if people translate stuff for you you cry. Stevie.Dee is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply