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Skywalker The Corridor of Uncertainty, 21.11.2011, 15:23	My Consultation with HASCI on HST (Dr G's clinic) (Hair Stem Cells Transplantation)
	Although there has been a number of false starts ( notably FM) and disappointments over time I have come to the conclusion that Dr Gho's newer HST technique in all probability does work. A short while back I arranged a meeting with HASCI to discuss HST in London. It turns out that HASCI doesn't really have a clinic in London, they come over periodically and book a clinic for a few days. Unfortunately they had gone back early this time and there was an oversight so they forgot to tell me ! I did talk to the receptionist for the clinic who was a former nurse - and for what it's worth she said she had witnessed regrowth in the donor area from Dr Gho's technique - hardly conclusive but at least interesting. Anyway I got in contact with them again, they apologised and agreed to see me outside their normal hours a while later, which was good of them and I felt was a decent response to their error. To cut a long story short I did eventually see them at the clinic and Dr Gho was there too, which was a surprise to me. Initially I had the consultation with the doctor who I was scheduled to see, I didn't learn anything new as I was well aware of the procedure - except one very disappointing detail - they no longer did the 50 graft test for anybody except the most challenging of cases. I pressed her on this option and she said we could wait to hear what Dr Gho said. When Dr Gho then came he was adamant that as I was a straightforward case he wouldn't offer the 50 graft test to me, I pushed this by saying it was still on the Internet but he wouldn't budge on it. Basically he has a 6 month waiting list and a 50 graft test is almost as expensive to set up for him as a full procedure. For me to not have the test available is a major problem, I am a NW6/7 and I cut to stubble (0.5mm), if I am a really bad healer and white dots are left then it is going to look terrible - the language barrier didn't help as their English is OK but not great, however, the situation is clear - for normal cases the 50 graft test is off the table. Dr Gho started to go through the consent form but I think the lady doctor consultant could tell that I wasn't really interested - this inability to test the procedure was a major blow to me and I needed time to evaluate the situation. There was some other information that came out of the consultation that might be of interest -: (1) Regeneration is usually 80-85% (2) They all regard the procedure as mature and proven, and they say it works on everybody. (3) There was no concern about working on somebody as severely bald as me once they realised my expectations were reasonable. If this was a $cam I would have thought they would steer clear of people like me because lack of regeneration would be MUCH more obvious if it didn't work. (4) Some people have beard hair that is suitable for HST and some don't - I don't apparently - even though my beard hair is thick and strong. Due to the language barrier I didn't manage to establish why but that was another disappointment and avenue closed to me. (5) Regenerated hair follicles can be used again but it is a bit more difficult to do so than with a virgin follicle, the yield is a bit lower because when they regenerate they often grow back a bit twisted apparently. This doesn't matter for most people as in subsequent procedures you will usually not end up extracting the same follicles too many times but for me it is relevant as my donor is much more limited. This was yet another incident which for me was against this being a $cam - he mentioned this in passing but if it was a $cam why would you bring up this slight limitation ? I thanked them for their time and left to think about it - and I am still thinking about it. To proceed without a test is risky for me because if white dotting were to occur I would be really f@%ked As to my opinion on whether the procedure is legitimate, well, I am not 100% sure because I haven't had it done, but if it is a $cam it must be the best $cam in history because too many people are having it done now and my 'gut' is also telling me that Dr Gho is on the level. One other point - I can see why they have not yet been able to market this product properly to the world yet, Dr Gho came over as a genuine and warm guy but he is really a scientist, not a business manager. Frankly in terms of running a business it came over to me as 'amateur night' Skywalker is located in THE CORRIDOR OF UNCERTAINTY and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
neversaynever 21.11.2011, 18:46 @ Skywalker	My Consultation with HASCI on HST (Dr G's clinic)
	Did you talk prices? Does it cost more to use beard hair? Im pretty sure about donor regrowth, but was always convinced the regrown hairs dont grow back 100% normally. I can live with that. One big advantage I always thought was less scarring with gho. I will always cut my hair grade 1, have dark skin...so im not sure about scarring issues. No point paying £7700 for a 1500 graft procedure that leaves white dots. Anyone else got anything to add about that?? Dr Arvind and Umar use beard hair constantly and get results with very little (or less obvious) scarring. So confused, need some un-biased advice.... neversaynever is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Skywalker The Corridor of Uncertainty, 21.11.2011, 18:56 @ neversaynever	My Consultation with HASCI on HST (Dr G's clinic)
	» Did you talk prices? Does it cost more to use beard hair? » We didn't talk prices because for conventional HT's they are on his website and for beard hair it became academic to the conversation once he said my beard hair was not suitable. » One big advantage I always thought was less scarring with gho. I will » always cut my hair grade 1, have dark skin...so im not sure about scarring » issues. If you've got dark skin my guess is he'll give you a 50 graft trial if you want it just to be on the safe side - why don't you just ask and see what he says ? » No point paying £7700 for a 1500 graft procedure that leaves white dots. » Anyone else got anything to add about that?? » I doubt he will leave white dot scarring on me with his procedure - but if I were to be wrong it would be pretty catastrophic - hence my hesitancy. » Dr Arvind and Umar use beard hair constantly and get results with very » little (or less obvious) scarring. So confused, need some un-biased » advice.... In terms of scarring if you accept that HST works then I don't see how any conventional FUE doctor can compete at all - HST uses a 0.6mm tool for extraction. Skywalker is located in THE CORRIDOR OF UNCERTAINTY and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Skywalker The Corridor of Uncertainty, 21.11.2011, 18:57 @ Skywalker	My Consultation with HASCI on HST (Dr G's clinic)
	Sorry - double post. Skywalker is located in THE CORRIDOR OF UNCERTAINTY and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Spanish Dude 21.11.2011, 20:19 @ Skywalker	My Consultation with HASCI on HST (Dr G's clinic)
	Why would you want to use beard hair as donor? Did you ask him about the donor regrowth guarantee? how is regrowth verified/evaluated? Is it on the contract? if you are so sure that it works, why don't you go ahead now? » Although there has been a number of false starts ( notably FM) and » disappointments over time I have come to the conclusion that Dr Gho's newer » HST technique in all probability does work. » » A short while back I arranged a meeting with HASCI to discuss HST in » London. It turns out that HASCI doesn't really have a clinic in London, » they come over periodically and book a clinic for a few days. Unfortunately » they had gone back early this time and there was an oversight so they » forgot to tell me ! » I did talk to the receptionist for the clinic who was a former nurse - and » for what it's worth she said she had witnessed regrowth in the donor area » from Dr Gho's technique - hardly conclusive but at least interesting. » » Anyway I got in contact with them again, they apologised and agreed to see » me outside their normal hours a while later, which was good of them and I » felt was a decent response to their error. » » To cut a long story short I did eventually see them at the clinic and Dr » Gho was there too, which was a surprise to me. Initially I had the » consultation with the doctor who I was scheduled to see, I didn't learn » anything new as I was well aware of the procedure - except one very » disappointing detail - they no longer did the 50 graft test for anybody » except the most challenging of cases. I pressed her on this option and she » said we could wait to hear what Dr Gho said. » » When Dr Gho then came he was adamant that as I was a straightforward case » he wouldn't offer the 50 graft test to me, I pushed this by saying it was » still on the Internet but he wouldn't budge on it. Basically he has a 6 » month waiting list and a 50 graft test is almost as expensive to set up for » him as a full procedure. » » For me to not have the test available is a major problem, I am a NW6/7 and » I cut to stubble (0.5mm), if I am a really bad healer and white dots are » left then it is going to look terrible - the language barrier didn't help » as their English is OK but not great, however, the situation is clear - for » normal cases the 50 graft test is off the table. » » Dr Gho started to go through the consent form but I think the lady doctor » consultant could tell that I wasn't really interested - this inability to » test the procedure was a major blow to me and I needed time to evaluate the » situation. » » There was some other information that came out of the consultation that » might be of interest -: » (1) Regeneration is usually 80-85% » (2) They all regard the procedure as mature and proven, and they say it » works on everybody. » (3) There was no concern about working on somebody as severely bald as me » once they realised my expectations were reasonable. If this was a $cam I » would have thought they would steer clear of people like me because lack of » regeneration would be MUCH more obvious if it didn't work. » (4) Some people have beard hair that is suitable for HST and some don't - I » don't apparently - even though my beard hair is thick and strong. Due to » the language barrier I didn't manage to establish why but that was another » disappointment and avenue closed to me. » (5) Regenerated hair follicles can be used again but it is a bit more » difficult to do so than with a virgin follicle, the yield is a bit lower » because when they regenerate they often grow back a bit twisted apparently. » This doesn't matter for most people as in subsequent procedures you will » usually not end up extracting the same follicles too many times but for me » it is relevant as my donor is much more limited. This was yet another » incident which for me was against this being a $cam - he mentioned this in » passing but if it was a $cam why would you bring up this slight limitation » ? » » I thanked them for their time and left to think about it - and I am still » thinking about it. To proceed without a test is risky for me because » if white dotting were to occur I would be really f@%ked » » As to my opinion on whether the procedure is legitimate, well, I am not » 100% sure because I haven't had it done, but if it is a $cam it must be the » best $cam in history because too many people are having it done now and my » 'gut' is also telling me that Dr Gho is on the level. » » One other point - I can see why they have not yet been able to market this » product properly to the world yet, Dr Gho came over as a genuine and warm » guy but he is really a scientist, not a business manager. Frankly in terms » of running a business it came over to me as 'amateur night' Spanish Dude is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
needhairasap 21.11.2011, 20:39 @ Spanish Dude	My Consultation with HASCI on HST (Dr G's clinic)
	» if you are so sure that it works, why don't you go ahead now? » you are such a f@g spanishdude. Just accept that you were wrong and gho can regenerate hair.You've been arguing like a fool for months and you were wrong.... accept it. it's childish to assume Gho doesn't regenerate hair. All you have left is bash him by saying he sucks at the actual transplanting... you can no longer say he doesn't regenerate... and please, shut up about the verifying the donor.... the guy isn't lying. He has gotten 100% regeneration in a peer reviewed paper.... so it makes sense that he can say 80% confidently. Stop being such a sour poossy. You were wrong. I feel so bad that you can't accept it and be happy somebody is regenerating hair instead of being a sour poossy licker. don't get angry at some guy who is nw7 and contemplating whether the surgery is too risky for him. Especially don't ask him why he doesnt go when he already clearly explained why he was hesitant. needhairasap is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Spanish Dude 21.11.2011, 21:10 @ needhairasap	My Consultation with HASCI on HST (Dr G's clinic)
	you don't have arguments so you resort to insults? I have made a question. Just a question. You are such an imbecile needhairasap that you try to turn a question into a big offence. Well, sorry for you. It is a question, nothing more than that. I still have more questions. For example, Gho says that he would do the test for dark skin guys. Why is that? Is regeneration more difficult in dark skin guys? this makes no sense to me. » » if you are so sure that it works, why don't you go ahead now? » » » » » » you are such a f@g spanishdude. » » Just accept that you were wrong and gho can regenerate hair.You've been » arguing like a fool for months and you were wrong.... accept it. » » it's childish to assume Gho doesn't regenerate hair. All you have left is » bash him by saying he sucks at the actual transplanting... you can no » longer say he doesn't regenerate... » » » and please, shut up about the verifying the donor.... the guy isn't lying. » He has gotten 100% regeneration in a peer reviewed paper.... so it makes » sense that he can say 80% confidently. Stop being such a sour poossy. You » were wrong. I feel so bad that you can't accept it and be happy somebody is » regenerating hair instead of being a sour poossy licker. » » » don't get angry at some guy who is nw7 and contemplating whether the » surgery is too risky for him. Especially don't ask him why he doesnt go » when he already clearly explained why he was hesitant. Spanish Dude is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Iron_Man 21.11.2011, 23:45 @ Spanish Dude	My Consultation with HASCI on HST (Dr G's clinic)
	» I still have more questions. For example, Gho says that he would do the » test for dark skin guys. Why is that? Is regeneration more difficult in » dark skin guys? this makes no sense to me. A lot of things makes no sense for idiots - especially for the ones who jerk around on hair loss boards since more than 10 years and still have no clue about anything ... http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-90363-page-0-order-time-category-0.html Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process … Post reply
neversaynever 22.11.2011, 06:56 @ Spanish Dude	My Consultation with HASCI on HST (Dr G's clinic)
	Id get it done tommorow if I had the money. Im nearly 29, NW3, but I cut my hair very short regardless. With gho i dont see the need to use beard hair, unless you dont 100% trust the regrowth. For me beard hair is a good option because ill keep my hair very short. But thats an option Im looking into with other doctors. Got a consult with gho and others soon (found it no problem at all to book an appointment with them). My only major problem is the price! Its double the price of other doctors I'm looking into. Sure, there is donor regrowth, but from what I've seen in videos...they extract and plant FUs pretty damn quickly. I think they are compensating for the fact that they dont actually own a facility in London, and have to fly back and forth. Been watching these forums for about 6 months now, trying to gather info on various techniques. I think it's pretty pointless to ridicule one another, we're all in the same boat. People say that the transplant and cures have been held back by politics, greedy scientists prolonging their employment and stubborn doctors, but it seems impossible to even get unbiased advice on forums too! Keep your eye on the prize, and never stop asking questions. neversaynever is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Skywalker The Corridor of Uncertainty, 22.11.2011, 07:07 @ Spanish Dude	My Consultation with HASCI on HST (Dr G's clinic)
	» Why would you want to use beard hair as donor? My donor area is particularly limited, I would rather get more grafts per procedure - that's why I was asking about beard hair. » Did you ask him about the donor regrowth guarantee? how is regrowth » verified/evaluated? Is it on the contract? The donor growth guarantee is not my major concern - my major concern is avoiding white dot scarring in the donor area so that's what I focused on. If you want answers to your questions I ask again - why don't you go and ask them ??? Contrary to your ludicrous fantasies having spoken to him I can confirm that Dr Gho has no knowledge or interest on forum topics or posters such as 'Spanish Dude' - sorry to disappoint you but he is not spending his time investigating who you are so you can go any time you like. » if you are so sure that it works, why don't you go ahead now? » As you cannot manage (or don't want to) to work out that answer from my initial post you can take this as my last post replying to you. You are either pretending to not understand or you are an idiot - either way further replies from me to you on this subject are pointless. Skywalker is located in THE CORRIDOR OF UNCERTAINTY and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Spanish Dude 22.11.2011, 16:02 @ Iron_Man	My Consultation with HASCI on HST (Dr G's clinic)
	Instead of hiding behind a link to nowhere land, why don't you try to directly explain your point? oh, I see, its because you have no point, really, and it would become obvious your lack of sense. » » I still have more questions. For example, Gho says that he would do the » » test for dark skin guys. Why is that? Is » regeneration more difficult in » » dark skin guys? this makes no sense to me. » » A lot of things makes no sense for idiots - especially for the ones who » jerk around on hair loss boards since more than 10 years and still have no » clue about anything ... » » http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-90363-page-0-order-time-category-0.html Spanish Dude is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Spanish Dude 22.11.2011, 16:09 @ Skywalker	My Consultation with HASCI on HST (Dr G's clinic)
	Your faith in Gho ends very quickly when you have to risk your limited donor, eh? Come on, you believe in the guy, the guy says there is no need for the test because he is sure that everything will be ok on your light skin. Then, what are you waiting for? » » Why would you want to use beard hair as donor? » » My donor area is particularly limited, I would rather get more grafts per » procedure - that's why I was asking about beard hair. » » » Did you ask him about the donor regrowth guarantee? how is regrowth » » verified/evaluated? Is it on the contract? » » The donor growth guarantee is not my major concern - my major concern is » avoiding white dot scarring in the donor area so that's what I focused on. » » If you want answers to your questions I ask again - why don't you go and » ask them ??? Contrary to your ludicrous fantasies having spoken to him I » can confirm that Dr Gho has no knowledge or interest on forum topics or » posters such as 'Spanish Dude' - sorry to disappoint you but he is not » spending his time investigating who you are so you can go any time you » like. » » » if you are so sure that it works, why don't you go ahead now? » » » As you cannot manage (or don't want to) to work out that answer from my » initial post you can take this as my last post replying to you. You are » either pretending to not understand or you are an idiot - either way » further replies from me to you on this subject are pointless. Spanish Dude is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Iron_Man 22.11.2011, 23:53 @ Spanish Dude	My Consultation with HASCI on HST (Dr G's clinic)
	» Instead of hiding behind a link to nowhere land, why don't you try to » directly explain your point? Here is the reason - again: » » A lot of things makes no sense for idiots - especially for the ones who » » jerk around on hair loss boards since more than 10 years and still have » » no clue about anything ... Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process … Post reply
needhairasap 23.11.2011, 10:40 @ Iron_Man	My Consultation with HASCI on HST (Dr G's clinic)
	First spanishdude doesn't believe Gho can regenerate hair. Then he was proven wrong. However, he can't accept this So now he is on to criticizing the ability to uphold the 80% guarantee.. this is funny because it is very desperate of him. you can see how desperate he is to invalidate Gho in anyway he can... very sad and all of this under the veil of "just being curious".... I mean, he's just asking some questions right? Something tells me spanishdude is too bald to get Gho's procedure... and is so bitter he doesn't want anybody else to get it..... and I do have an argument... All people who know the truth and then avoid it are idiots Spanish dude knows the truth and then avoids it therefore, spanishdude is an idiot. needhairasap is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
fordham 25.11.2011, 16:11 @ needhairasap	My Consultation with HASCI on HST (Dr G's clinic)
	What is the most compelling evidence that this technique works at regenerating follicles? In my opinion, I haven't seen any clear cut evidence that Gho is peddling anything but hype. I want to see the before and after photos. fordham is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Iron_Man 26.11.2011, 02:43 @ fordham	My Consultation with HASCI on HST (Dr Gho's clinic)
	» What is the most compelling evidence that this technique works at » regenerating follicles? 1) Solid scientific reasons; 2) Nobody is complaining – since many years. Actually, since Dr. Gho started to offer HST procedures in 2005/2006. In fact, the “hair transplant industry” should be pleased that Dr. Gho simply doesn’t like to take a lot of time for showing (tuned) before/after photos or “donor-regrowth-proof” on hair loss boards or somewhere else (besides for ongoing studies) - or to make his patients slaves. Anyway, if he would, many of these so-called “HT specialists” out there would die almost from one day to the next – and not just slowly within the coming few years. Because someone can hide and/or repudiate something just for a certain time - surely not forever, especially in this case. Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process … Post reply
Skywalker The Corridor of Uncertainty, 05.12.2011, 10:30 @ Iron_Man	My Consultation with HASCI on HST (Dr Gho's clinic)
	» Because someone can hide and/or repudiate something just for a » certain time - surely not forever, especially in this case. I agree, there are three main reasons why in my opinion Joe Blow should think the strong probability is that HST is real. (1) THE SCIENCE: The science looks right, and few $cams get through a peer reviewed document that Dr Gho has - not impossible it's true - but why would you put your $cam through the risk of that ? (2) PHOTOS: The photographic evidence - not to the level of documentation I would like admittedly - but the photos (contrary to Spanish Dude's fantasies) look right. (3) TIME: This is the big one, if it's a $cam then all these patients over 5/6 years have been fooled or hushed up, celebrities, short hair - it doesn't matter - apparently Dr Gho with his mild manner and poor sales technique (as I have witnessed) can fool them all ! All the people in the clinics - doctors; nurses; admin staff - they have somehow all been duped or bought off over 5/6 years ! That's why if you believe it is a $cam then you have to say Dr Gho is a genius because no $cam has ever come close to this - so either way you have to admit he's a genius ! Skywalker is located in THE CORRIDOR OF UNCERTAINTY and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
neversaynever 05.12.2011, 11:44 @ Skywalker	My Consultation with HASCI on HST (Dr Gho's clinic)
	Skywalker... Do you know how short a person can cut their hair after HST?? Did you talk about the 'educational discount" with him? I missed my consult appointment, trying to arrange another one. neversaynever is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
wolfgang.lausberg holland/usa, 05.12.2011, 12:33 @ Skywalker	My Consultation with HASCI on HST (Dr Gho's clinic)
	If you really believe that the donor will regrow back there is no way you will get any white dots on your head. So please dont write posts saying you really believe it is real but your not willing to under go the procedure yourself. What a hyprocrite !!!! wolfgang.lausberg is located in HOLLAND/USA and he is available to meet: YES email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting. Post reply
Skywalker The Corridor of Uncertainty, 05.12.2011, 16:05 @ wolfgang.lausberg	My Consultation with HASCI on HST (Dr Gho's clinic)
	» If you really believe that the donor will regrow back there is no way you » will get any white dots on your head. » So please dont write posts saying you really believe it is real but your » not willing to under go the procedure yourself. » What a hyprocrite !!!! You are an idiot wolfgang, if I could have the trial and evaluate the result I would, but putting 1,000 holes in the back of your head untried is foolish if your hair loss is such that the only hair style that doesn't make you look bad is the extreme buzz cut. If I put 1,000 holes in the back of my head and there turns out to be white dot scarring then I am permanently FUBAR'ed - that's a massive risk to take - have the people in the slow class (which includes you) got it now ? Skywalker is located in THE CORRIDOR OF UNCERTAINTY and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Skywalker The Corridor of Uncertainty, 06.12.2011, 04:44 @ neversaynever	My Consultation with HASCI on HST (Dr Gho's clinic)
	» » Do you know how short a person can cut their hair after HST?? » Neversaynever, theoretically you can cut it as short as you like, but that is what I was going to test had I been allowed to have the 50 graft trial. » » Did you talk about the 'educational discount" with him? » To be honest I have never heard of it, I assume that it is a lower price to have somebody inexperienced do the work - frankly that's not even a consideration for me in my situation where every graft counts and I need the best result possible in the donor area. Skywalker is located in THE CORRIDOR OF UNCERTAINTY and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
wolfgang.lausberg holland/usa, 06.12.2011, 07:50 @ Skywalker	My Consultation with HASCI on HST (Dr Gho's clinic)
	In terms of scarring if you accept that HST works then I don't see how any conventional FUE doctor can compete at all - HST uses a 0.6mm tool for extraction. This is what you say but you still wont book the procedure. Gho told you was a straight forward case you write long posts saying how genuine it all is but you will not put your neck on the line. HYPROCRITE !!!!!!!!!! wolfgang.lausberg is located in HOLLAND/USA and he is available to meet: YES email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting. Post reply
neversaynever 06.12.2011, 08:47 @ Spanish Dude	My Consultation with HASCI on HST (Dr G's clinic)
	Someone give me the money and ill do the damn test. Im in london, so its not such a big deal. Trying to book a consult with gho asap, nto sure when hes back in london next neversaynever is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Skywalker The Corridor of Uncertainty, 06.12.2011, 11:41 @ wolfgang.lausberg	My Consultation with HASCI on HST (Dr Gho's clinic)
	» In terms of scarring if you accept that HST works then I don't see how any » conventional FUE doctor can compete at all - HST uses a 0.6mm tool for » extraction. » » This is what you say but you still wont book the procedure. Gho told you » was a straight forward case you write long posts saying how genuine it all » is but you will not put your neck on the line. » HYPROCRITE !!!!!!!!!! Wolfgang, I've looked at your post, I don't need to add any more - the slow class retains its full complement Skywalker is located in THE CORRIDOR OF UNCERTAINTY and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Skywalker The Corridor of Uncertainty, 06.12.2011, 11:43 @ neversaynever	My Consultation with HASCI on HST (Dr G's clinic)
	» Someone give me the money and ill do the damn test. » neversaynever, money shouldn't be the issue, as I explained, unless Dr Gho deems you to be an abnormal case you won't be allowed to do the 'damn test'... Skywalker is located in THE CORRIDOR OF UNCERTAINTY and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
baseballcap 06.12.2011, 19:25 @ Skywalker	My Consultation with HASCI on HST (Dr G's clinic)
	Hi Skywalker and topcat if he is around I do understand that you want to be very careful with your available donor supply. 1. I do think that Dr. Gho and his staff in fact, believe they the donor area does regenerate. For instance, I can't imagine that Dr. Gho would perform this procedure on multiple burn victims. The question is to what degree does a longitudinal transection of a follicular unit produce more hair from a single follicular unit in the donor area... Does it produce any more hair than the single follicular unit sitting in the donor area, Does it carry 1 to 2 hairs to the recipient site while leaving only 1 hair behind in the donor area or visa versa of a 3 hair follicular unit? Or do you lose actual hair by transection and attempted relocation. My point is that as far as they see hair is growing back in the donor region and in the same follicle..thus donor hair regeneration or is it donor re-distribution minus a few due to transection issues. Maybe this is the point of why they don't want to pick a follicle that has already been harvested. 2. I have read the 2010 peer reviewed paper. However, with this very limited information available as to hair counts in the donor area and photos, it is difficult to know for sure that a donor area would have 80 to 90 % regrowth. A couple other points.... 3. Since the procedure has been around since 09, Why not some more photos of some really bald guys who have had the procedure. For instance, I will be looking for more photos of Dean Saunders. He had a procedure months ago and yet he was spotted this week. If he maintains his short hair style ow hard would it be to look over his donor site? 4. If it were a workable solution to donor area regeneration...why wouldn't American doctors be jumping on longitudinal transections. Can you imagine the business the Dr. who could provide donor area regeneration would have. These guys are super sharp and would have a big profit motive to be the one to crack the holy grail in the USA. 5. I'm thinking that Dr. Bernstein is studying this longitudinal transection right now. If I were sure about this technique for donor regeneration, I would make an appointment. I know you and Topcat amongst so many others have tried and tried to work through the hair loss issues. I value your opinions immensely. Therefore, my friend, in my view, I will not risk my precious remaining follicles for the Gho Cure at this juncture yet. I will be open to new evidence as it comes along. baseballcap is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Skywalker The Corridor of Uncertainty, 07.12.2011, 09:34 @ baseballcap	My Consultation with HASCI on HST (Dr G's clinic)
	» » My point is that as far as they see hair is growing back in the donor » region and in the same follicle..thus donor hair regeneration or is it » donor re-distribution minus a few due to transection issues. Maybe this is » the point of why they don't want to pick a follicle that has already been » harvested. » They WILL use grafts that have already been harvested, they are just marginally less productive in terms of yield. The peer reviewed document and the photographic don't point at redistribution, they show regeneration. Besides, Dr Gho by now would know that if it were true - so they would have to be lying to the burns victims you talk of. » » 3. Since the procedure has been around since 09, Why not some more photos » of some really bald guys who have had the procedure. For instance, I will » be looking for more photos of Dean Saunders. He had a procedure months ago » and yet he was spotted this week. If he maintains his short hair style ow » hard would it be to look over his donor site? The procedure has been around since 05/06 I believe, and I agree the documentation is insufficient - that has always been my main complaint. Dr Gho doesn't think more evidence is necessary but I think that is a mistake. » » 4. If it were a workable solution to donor area regeneration...why wouldn't » American doctors be jumping on longitudinal transections. Can you imagine » the business the Dr. who could provide donor area regeneration would have. » These guys are super sharp and would have a big profit motive to be the one » to crack the holy grail in the USA. Nope, American doctors wouldn't be jumping all over it, aside from having to put aside their ego they would have to pay Dr Gho a franchise payment and learn again, they would also be likely to make less money from this procedure as you can apparently do less patients per day - this is exacting work. If you want an example of their standard reaction look at FUE - an absolute classic example - for years they disparaged it and fought against it tooth and nail. » » 5. I'm thinking that Dr. Bernstein is studying this longitudinal » transection right now. I wouldn't hold my breath for Dr Bernstein - though I think he is probably an OK guy. » » If I were sure about this technique for donor regeneration, I would make an » appointment. » I understand, and I don't mind if nobody thinks it is worth investigating - it doesn't affect my life - I just felt that having benefited from these forums I should give back. I would add that if I was a 35 year old NW3/4 I would have had it done by now as in that situation the risk/benefit would definitely have worked for me. Skywalker is located in THE CORRIDOR OF UNCERTAINTY and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
baseballcap 07.12.2011, 11:46 @ Skywalker	My Consultation with HASCI on HST (Dr G's clinic)
	» » » » My point is that as far as they see hair is growing back in the donor » » region and in the same follicle..thus donor hair regeneration or is it » » donor re-distribution minus a few due to transection issues. Maybe this » is » » the point of why they don't want to pick a follicle that has already » been » » harvested. » » » » They WILL use grafts that have already been harvested, they are just » marginally less productive in terms of yield. » The peer reviewed document and the photographic don't point at » redistribution, they show regeneration. Besides, Dr Gho by now would know » that if it were true - so they would have to be lying to the burns victims » you talk of. » » » I'M NOT SO SURE ABOUT THIS. FOR INSTANCE, THEY TAKE SOME PART OF THE HAIR FOLLICLE WITH STEM CELLS ATTACHED TO IMPLANT IN THE RECIPIENT..LEAVING THE REMAINING PART TO REGENERATE IN THE DONOR. ONE HAIR GROWS IN THE RECIPIENT AND ONE HAIR GROWS IN THE DONOR. WHEN THEY ARE LOOKING AT THESE PATIENTS AFTER A YEAR'S AGO PROCEDURE, WHO'S TO SAY THAT THE ORIGINAL FOLLICULAR UNIT WAS ACTUALLY ONE HAIR, TWO HAIRS, THREE OR FOURS HAIRS. tHEY LOOK AT THE DONOR AND SAY GEEZ LOOK LIKE i HAVE HAIR COMING OUT OF THIS FOLLICULAR SITE....THUS SPLITTING FOLLICULAR UNITS WITH SOME LOSS OF HAIR RATHER THAN ADDITIONAL HAIR AS COMPARED TO THE ORIGINAL FOLLICULAR UNIT. AND ONE PHOTO EXAMPLE OF DONOR REGENERATION DOESN'T INSTILL THE CONFIDENCE I NEED TO DECIDE TO SIGN UP FOR THIS PROCEDURE. » » 3. Since the procedure has been around since 09, Why not some more » photos » » of some really bald guys who have had the procedure. For instance, I » will » » be looking for more photos of Dean Saunders. He had a procedure months » ago » » and yet he was spotted this week. If he maintains his short hair style » ow » » hard would it be to look over his donor site? » » The procedure has been around since 05/06 I believe, and I agree the » documentation is insufficient - that has always been my main complaint. Dr » Gho doesn't think more evidence is necessary but I think that is a » mistake. » THIS IS A GLARING WEAKNESS TO THEIR ARGUMENT. THEY HAVE ONE PICTURE OF A FILLED IN CROWN ON THE WEB SITE AFTER ALL THESE YEARS. NO PICTURES OF DONOR ON THE SITE. YET THEY WENT TO THE EXPENSE OF MAKING MARKETING MOVIES BY HAVING A MULTITUDE OF PATIENTS GOING TO THE OFFICE AND HAVING THE PROCEDURE DONE. WE EVEN SEE THE PATIENTS COMEBACK TO REVIEW THEIR PROGRESS..YET NO DEMONSTRATION OF THE RESULTS OF THE DONOR AFTER A COUPLE OF PROCEDURES OR EXTENSIVE LOOKS AT THE RECIPIENT COMPARING BEFORE AND AFTER. IT'S ONE THING TO SAY YOU HAVE IT AND ANOTHER THING TO ACTUALLY DEMONSTRATE THAT IT WORKS. » » » » 4. If it were a workable solution to donor area regeneration...why » wouldn't » » American doctors be jumping on longitudinal transections. Can you » imagine » » the business the Dr. who could provide donor area regeneration would » have. » » These guys are super sharp and would have a big profit motive to be the » one » » to crack the holy grail in the USA. » » Nope, American doctors wouldn't be jumping all over it, aside from having » to put aside their ego they would have to pay Dr Gho a franchise payment » and learn again, they would also be likely to make less money from this » procedure as you can apparently do less patients per day - this is exacting » work. » If you want an example of their standard reaction look at FUE - an absolute » classic example - for years they disparaged it and fought against it tooth » and nail. » SOMEWHERE ON THE BOARDS i RAN INTO AN ARTICLE WITH THE LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS OF DOING A GHO LIKE PROECEDURE -WITH REGARD TO THE FRANCHISE PAYMENT- DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY...YES, I THINK YOU CAN PATENT YOUR OWN DESIGNED TOOLS FOR INSTANCE...BUT NOT AS TO SURGICAL TECHNIQUE. THE IDEA OF CUTTING OUT TISSUE WITH A SMALL NEEDLE IS CERTAINLY NOTHING NEW. GHO ALSO GOES INTO SOME DETAIL AS TO HIS TECHNIQUE IN HIS RELEASED PAPER. INSTEAD OF WHAT GHO CALLS THE FERTILIZER,YOU SOAK THE TISSUE IN ACCELL. THEN YOU REPLANT. MY POINT IS THAT I SEE NO GREAT BARRIER TO ENTRY TO ATTEMPT TO DO THE LONGITUDINAL TRANSECTION OF HAIR FOLLICLE. WITH REGARD TO THE FINANCIAL INCENTIVE... IF YOU HAD A FUE DOCTOR WHO HAD A PROCEDURE CHARGING $7 PER GRAPH AND THE SAME DR. WHO HAD ANOTHER TYPE OF PROCEDURE WHO CHARGED $14.00 PER FUE GRAPH BUT THE DONOR REGENERATED.....WHICH PROCEDURE WOULD YOU CHOOSE? I WOULD CHOOSE THE FUE GRAPH WITH DONOR REGENERATION...WOULDN'T YOU. i THINK PEOPLE WOULD PAY THE PRICE FOR DONOR REGERERATION. IN ADDITION, GHO IS DOING IN EXCESS OF 2000 + GRAPHS ANYWAY SO IT IS IN STEP WITH OTHER OFFERORS OF FUE PROCEDURES. » » » » 5. I'm thinking that Dr. Bernstein is studying this longitudinal » » transection right now. » » I wouldn't hold my breath for Dr Bernstein - though I think he is probably » an OK guy. » THIS WAS MY UNDERSTANDING AS OF THIS SPRING..ANY OTHER INFO OUT THERE ON LONGITUDINAL TRANSECTION IN HAIR TRANSPLANTATION? iT IS INTERESTING TO ME THAT ALL HAIR TRANSPLANT DOCTORS ARE KEENLY AWARE OF THE NEED TO REDUCE TRANSECTION OF HAIR FOLLICLES. THEY'VE HAD STUDIES WHERE THEY HAVE CUT INTO THE FOLLICLE HORIZONTALLY THAT HAVE RESULTED IN LIMITED AND STUNTED REGROWTH...I GUESS FOR THESE REASONS, YOU SEE MOST DR.'S TRYING TO AVOID TRANSECTING THE FOLLICLE. » » » » If I were sure about this technique for donor regeneration, I would make » an » » appointment. » » I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THIS PRODUCE DONOR REGENERATION OF THE 90% LEVEL. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE I AM MISSING OUT THERE? GHO MENTIONED HE WAS DOING A STUDY OF ABOUT A 100 PATIENTS? ANY THING OUT THERE? » » I understand, and I don't mind if nobody thinks it is worth investigating - » it doesn't affect my life - I just felt that having benefited from these » forums I should give back. » I would add that if I was a 35 year old NW3/4 I would have had it done by » now as in that situation the risk/benefit would definitely have worked for » me. YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY A SHARP AND THOUGHTFUL GUY. I HAVE APPRECIATED YOUR RESPONSES ON THE BOARDS AND LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR FUTHER OBSERVATIONS. baseballcap is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Skywalker The Corridor of Uncertainty, 07.12.2011, 13:15 @ baseballcap	My Consultation with HASCI on HST (Dr G's clinic)
	baseballcap, I don't know why you would write in capitals, I have explained my position and reasons, I think they're right and have explained why - you think otherwise. That's fine by me, I have no incentive for you to believe this and I wish you well. I don't think I need to write any more on this subject, I have put my experience of my HST consultation out there and given my opinion, let people make of it what they will. I feel as though I have fulfilled my obligations to the board on this subject. Skywalker is located in THE CORRIDOR OF UNCERTAINTY and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
baseballcap 07.12.2011, 17:13 @ Skywalker	My Consultation with HASCI on HST (Dr G's clinic)
	» baseballcap, » I don't know why you would write in capitals, I have explained » my position and reasons, I think they're right and have explained why - you » think otherwise. That's fine by me, I have no incentive for you to believe » this and I wish you well. » » I don't think I need to write any more on this subject, I have put my » experience of my HST consultation out there and given my opinion, let » people make of it what they will. I feel as though I have fulfilled my » obligations to the board on this subject. Hi Skywalker, I hope their claims are for real. I'm just trying to figure what's been proven to work and what hasn't. I'm open to new information, and other's thoughts on the subject. I respect your thinking and input here. about the caps..simply tried to make it easier to differentiate the writing to make it easier to follow. Thanks, BBC baseballcap is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Iron_Man 08.12.2011, 02:28 @ baseballcap	My Consultation with HASCI on HST (Dr G's clinic)
	Why don’t you guys buy a wig? No sh't: Even Dr. Gho recommends scientifically wigs for (hair)losers … http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21382206 … but for all those guys, who know very clearly what they want (even severe hair loss cases) Dr. Gho recommends – HairStemcellTransplantation (HST). Btw – there are some new VIDEOS (follow-up videos) on Dr. Gho’s website (section “IN THE MEDIA”) with singer Gerard Joling and popstar Dean Saundes - guys, who KNOW very clearly what they want: http://www.hasci.com/en/f9875b65-d817-4cee-b9df-0c55f7ddd678/0/In_the_media.aspx Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process … Post reply
neversaynever 08.12.2011, 05:11 @ Skywalker	My Consultation with HASCI on HST (Dr G's clinic)
	"I would add that if I was a 35 year old NW3/4 I would have had it done by now as in that situation the risk/benefit would definitely have worked for me" Interested in your opinion. Im 29, NW3 (ish). Still have vellus hair all along my hairline (though invisible to the naked eye). Ive always cut my hair very short. Grade 0 to 1. I will always cut my hair this short. I dont want to be NW1. I actually prefer the receeded look with a widows peak. I just want to get rid of the "island" of hair forming at the front of my scalp by increasing density, so that ill stay a solid NW2 or nw2.5. What do you guys think? If you were in my shoes, would you go for gho? I think they are still deciding when theyll be in London next. Also wondering whether it would it our cheaper if I flew out to holland for a couple of days. Pound vs the euro. neversaynever is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Spanish Dude 09.12.2011, 19:58 @ Skywalker	you can do the 50-graft test, Skywalker
	I have an idea for you, Skywalker. How about making the 50-graft test, but you pay Gho a 500 graft procedure? Then Gho will have no excuse anymore to reject the test. I know this is an expensive test for you, but once you are sure that it works on you, you can harvest over and over again until a full head of hair, so the initial cost gets dilluted. Besides, you have no other option, because your donor its limited, and no other doctor on earth can multiply hair, except Gho (suppossedly). oh, I know, I know, Skywalker, you will reject my idea for whatever reason. » » If you really believe that the donor will regrow back there is no way » you » » will get any white dots on your head. » » So please dont write posts saying you really believe it is real but your » » not willing to under go the procedure yourself. » » What a hyprocrite !!!! » » You are an idiot wolfgang, if I could have the trial and evaluate the » result I would, but putting 1,000 holes in the back of your head untried is » foolish if your hair loss is such that the only hair style that doesn't » make you look bad is the extreme buzz cut. » » If I put 1,000 holes in the back of my head and there turns out to be white » dot scarring then I am permanently FUBAR'ed - that's a massive risk to take » - have the people in the slow class (which includes you) got it now ? Spanish Dude is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
nw1 10.12.2011, 14:14 @ Spanish Dude	you can do the 50-graft test, Skywalker
	» I have an idea for you, Skywalker. » How about making the 50-graft test, but you pay Gho a 500 graft procedure? » Then Gho will have no excuse anymore to reject the test. » » I know this is an expensive test for you, but once you are sure that it » works on you, you can harvest over and over again until a full head of » hair, so the initial cost gets dilluted. » Besides, you have no other option, because your donor its limited, and no » other doctor on earth can multiply hair, except Gho (suppossedly). » » oh, I know, I know, Skywalker, you will reject my idea for whatever » reason. » Everyone would reject that idea cause it's stupid. nw1 is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Spanish Dude 12.12.2011, 11:57 @ nw1	you can do the 50-graft test, Skywalker
	» » I have an idea for you, Skywalker. » » How about making the 50-graft test, but you pay Gho a 500 graft » procedure? » » Then Gho will have no excuse anymore to reject the test. » » » » I know this is an expensive test for you, but once you are sure that it » » works on you, you can harvest over and over again until a full head of » » hair, so the initial cost gets dilluted. » » Besides, you have no other option, because your donor its limited, and » no » » other doctor on earth can multiply hair, except Gho (suppossedly). » » » » oh, I know, I know, Skywalker, you will reject my idea for whatever » » reason. » » » » Everyone would reject that idea cause it's stupid. okay, fine for me. then skywalker will never do it. only blah blah in forums. Spanish Dude is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply