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needhairasap

11.03.2012, 20:04
 

Weird Gho Complaint (Hair Multiplication & Stem Cells Treatment)

go to google then type in "Gho hasci" and look at the vemo video

it was delted

"Sorry, "Hasci hair transplant by dr Gho disaster" was deleted at 3:53:45 Sun Mar 11, 2012. We have no more information about it on our mainframe or elsewhere."

"I had a hair stemcell transplant carried out by HASCI in the Netherlands at the end of 2010. After 1 year I had"


if you look at the video through google's "cache" option you can somewhat read the complaint. It says that he didnt get the regrowth and he has white dots.... and thats what the video is about. Not sure why it was deleted six days after it as posted




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gc83uk

11.03.2012, 20:24

@ needhairasap

Weird Gho Complaint

» go to google then type in "Gho hasci" and look at the vemo video
»
» it was delted
»
» "Sorry, "Hasci hair transplant by dr Gho disaster" was deleted at 3:53:45
» Sun Mar 11, 2012. We have no more information about it on our mainframe or
» elsewhere."
»
» "I had a hair stemcell transplant carried out by HASCI in the Netherlands
» at the end of 2010. After 1 year I had"
»
»
» if you look at the video through google's "cache" option you can somewhat
» read the complaint. It says that he didnt get the regrowth and he has white
» dots.... and thats what the video is about. Not sure why it was deleted six
» days after it as posted

Again good find, we need to dig more on this. The uploader of that video is called Jef Gordon. I for one will be taking photos of the donor area shaved before they extract any further grafts.




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Iron_Man

11.03.2012, 20:49

@ needhairasap

Weird Gho Complaint

» was deleted at 3:53:45
» Sun Mar 11, 2012.

So why did you found this today and not yesterday? And why did you found it at all?

If this would be a real complain - there would be thousands of better places for doing this than "vimeo.com".




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gc83uk

11.03.2012, 21:02

@ Iron_Man

Weird Gho Complaint

» » was deleted at 3:53:45
» » Sun Mar 11, 2012.
»
» So why did you found this today and not yesterday? And why did you found it
» at all?
»
» If this would be a real complain - there would be thousands of better
» places for doing this than "vimeo.com".

Come to think of it, this does seem somewhat like a malicious attempt to ruin Gho's theory.

The fact that the user only joined this month and has only ever uploaded one video, it probably wasn't a video, just a rolling image and mysteriously it gets taken down leaving just that image in the cache. Either someone is playing a clever trick or it's genuine.




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neversaynever

11.03.2012, 21:20

@ gc83uk

Weird Gho Complaint

» » » was deleted at 3:53:45
» » » Sun Mar 11, 2012.
» »
» » So why did you found this today and not yesterday? And why did you found
» it
» » at all?
» »
» » If this would be a real complain - there would be thousands of better
» » places for doing this than "vimeo.com".
»
» Come to think of it, this does seem somewhat like a malicious attempt to
» ruin Gho's theory.
»
» The fact that the user only joined this month and has only ever uploaded
» one video, it probably wasn't a video, just a rolling image and
» mysteriously it gets taken down leaving just that image in the cache.
» Either someone is playing a clever trick or it's genuine.

if I had a complaint I would hit the forums. Not upload a video and then delete it and disapear. Seriously, if I paid gho £8000 for 1500 grafts without donor regrowth, i would make one hell of a fuss. Not to mention pay a visit to gho himself in London and make sure i get my money back by any means i can. Not upload a video onto vimeo and then disapear. Smells fishy.

GC88, can you confirm the regrowth? Im still nervous about it, booked in for HST in the next few months....




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moopookoo

11.03.2012, 21:29

@ neversaynever

Weird Gho Complaint

» » » » was deleted at 3:53:45
» » » » Sun Mar 11, 2012.
» » »
» » » So why did you found this today and not yesterday? And why did you
» found
» » it
» » » at all?
» » »
» » » If this would be a real complain - there would be thousands of better
» » » places for doing this than "vimeo.com".
» »
» » Come to think of it, this does seem somewhat like a malicious attempt to
» » ruin Gho's theory.
» »
» » The fact that the user only joined this month and has only ever uploaded
» » one video, it probably wasn't a video, just a rolling image and
» » mysteriously it gets taken down leaving just that image in the cache.
» » Either someone is playing a clever trick or it's genuine.
»
» if I had a complaint I would hit the forums. Not upload a video and then
» delete it and disapear. Seriously, if I paid gho £8000 for 1500 grafts
» without donor regrowth, i would make one hell of a fuss. Not to mention pay
» a visit to gho himself in London and make sure i get my money back by any
» means i can. Not upload a video onto vimeo and then disapear. Smells
» fishy.
»
» GC88, can you confirm the regrowth? Im still nervous about it, booked in
» for HST in the next few months....



The only thing that still keeps me from going to HSI is white dots.
Can they guarantee? I sent them email to confirm tht there will be no dots and I can razor shaveafter HST.Once Im sure abt dots I ll be on the plane to Amsterdam:-P

Anyone asked them this already and how did they respond?




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Iron_Man

11.03.2012, 22:11

@ moopookoo

Weird Gho Complaint

I tried to enlarge Google’s preview window in the index …
[image]
[image]
Such BIG scars with 0.5 or 0.6 inner diameter needles??
Such BIG scars normally not even with 0.8 or 0.9 needles!

Such a photo is rather a shame for traditional FUE - because it shows again the traditional FUE reality.

Anyway, this was definitely a FAKE report.




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Iron_Man

12.03.2012, 01:05

@ Iron_Man

Weird Gho Complaint

» Anyway, this was definitely a FAKE report.

Nope - it seems this is the best HQ Gho-Video I've ever seen!

I'm still analyzing ...
[image]
... and I think I know why they initially removed this report, because where is the problem, and where is the "disaster"??




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wolfgang.lausberg

holland/usa,
12.03.2012, 11:13

@ Iron_Man

Weird Gho Complaint

» » Anyway, this was definitely a FAKE report.
»
» Nope - it seems this is the best HQ Gho-Video I've ever seen!
»
» I'm still analyzing ...
» [image]
» ... and I think I know why they initially removed this report, because
» where is the problem, and where is the "disaster"??

I can clearly see white dots and missing cluster of grafts from a heavily populated donor area all over the scalp.

This is a straight forward fue nothing more and if it really was done by Gho then it is very worrying.

Whoever has done this has tried to disgiuse the white dots by taking from all over the scalp but take the same number of grafts again and it would look much worse the cheese grater look.




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Spanish Dude

12.03.2012, 11:17

@ Iron_Man

http://vimeo.com/38325026

» » Anyway, this was definitely a FAKE report.
»
» Nope - it seems this is the best HQ Gho-Video I've ever seen!
»
» I'm still analyzing ...

Lets everyone analyze it:

http://vimeo.com/38325026

uploaded 19 hours ago.




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Spanish Dude

12.03.2012, 11:25

@ Spanish Dude

http://vimeo.com/38325026

» Lets everyone analyze it:
»
» http://vimeo.com/38325026
»
» uploaded 19 hours ago.

ouCH!

[image]




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Spanish Dude

12.03.2012, 12:08

@ Spanish Dude

http://vimeo.com/38325026

More caps:


[image]
[image]
[image]
[image]




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gc83uk

12.03.2012, 12:13

@ Spanish Dude

http://vimeo.com/38325026

» More caps:
»
»
» [image]
» [image]
» [image]
» [image]

Somebody download and save this video incase it gets deleted again, I'm still in work and can't remember how to do it.

I'm sure we can get Hasci to respond to this, would be interesting to hear.

Cheers




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neversaynever

12.03.2012, 13:30

@ gc83uk

http://vimeo.com/38325026

I dont see how Hasci can respond to this. How can they make a statement about the back of the head of some random guy on vimeo.

Like i said before, if this complaint was for real, the man is seriously out of pocket. HST is not cheap, and i think he'd be kicking up a bigger fuss.

Something about the video isnt right. How long after HST was it taken? Theres alot of redness. Someones in the vid with surgeon gloves, is that another HT doctor? Someone who might have an interest in discrediting gho? Its all too vague to mean anything




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neversaynever

12.03.2012, 13:35

@ neversaynever

http://vimeo.com/38325026

» I dont see how Hasci can respond to this. How can they make a statement
» about the back of the head of some random guy on vimeo.
»
» Like i said before, if this complaint was for real, the man is seriously
» out of pocket. HST is not cheap, and i think he'd be kicking up a bigger
» fuss.
»
» Something about the video isnt right. How long after HST was it taken?
» Theres alot of redness. Someones in the vid with surgeon gloves, is that
» another HT doctor? Someone who might have an interest in discrediting gho?
» Its all too vague to mean anything

Also,, the way the grafts seem to have been extracted doesnt make sense. From what I know, gho doesnt take grafts in clusters. You can clearly see 'blank areas' on this guy where grafts have been taken in clusters




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Iron_Man

12.03.2012, 14:05

@ wolfgang.lausberg

Weird Gho Complaint

» I can clearly see white dots and missing cluster of grafts from a heavily
» populated donor area all over the scalp.
»
» This is a straight forward fue nothing more and if it really was done by
» Gho then it is very worrying.
»
» Whoever has done this has tried to disgiuse the white dots by taking
» from all over the scalp but take the same number of grafts again and it would
» look much worse the cheese grater look.

It's not just that, I think they extracted hairs from the patients ears too!




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Iron_Man

12.03.2012, 14:30

@ Iron_Man

Weird Gho Complaint

Let's ignore different skin colors, light impacts etc ...
[image]
What can you guys see?




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Spanish Dude

12.03.2012, 17:27

@ Iron_Man

Weird Gho Complaint

» Let's ignore different skin colors, light impacts etc ...
» What can you guys see?

I can see a hypocrite called "Ironed_Man".
First, I.M says that this is a FAKE report, and those "big scars" cannot come from Gho.
Later, I.M realizes that this report could be from a true Gho-patient, and I.M. decides to change the tactic: now he says that everything is ok, and there are no really white dots, but this is just an optical illusion.

QUOTE I.M:
>>>>
Such BIG scars with 0.5 or 0.6 inner diameter needles??
Such BIG scars normally not even with 0.8 or 0.9 needles!

Such a photo is rather a shame for traditional FUE - because it shows again the traditional FUE reality.

Anyway, this was definitely a FAKE report.
<<<<<




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wolfgang.lausberg

holland/usa,
12.03.2012, 17:37

@ Spanish Dude

Weird Gho Complaint

I see someone desperate to cover up the white dots and gaps so he resorts to painting the head blue.




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Iron_Man

12.03.2012, 18:05

@ wolfgang.lausberg

Weird Gho Complaint

» I see someone desperate to cover up the white dots and gaps so he resorts
» to painting the head blue.

No, photoshop wasn't desperate during making the photo - photoshop didn't even got stress or something. It seems photoshop just tried to make a radiographic image from the source image, like this...
[image]




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gc83uk

12.03.2012, 20:11

@ Iron_Man

Weird Gho Complaint

Neversaynever, on a personal level my first 700 grafts has been a complete success, I honestly don't think I could have got better anywhere else in terms of recipient growth. As for donor, this is more of a mystery. You have probably already seen all my posted images over the forums, but I'm confident the donor has also regrown. I will get photos taken next week when I'm there, looking for 'white spots' as people call them.

I've looked at Joling and guys like Schneider (sp?) and their donor looks almost perfect if not perfect.

The reason why I said earlier that Hasci might respond is, they could probably refute that this is a patient of theirs, I know nobody can tell by the back of someones head, but I thought there was audio with the video, I haven't played it properly as yet!

Looking at those pictures above, it seems strange how these white spots are going into the neck, is this normal? I thought there was a safe zone and the neck isn't it!

As for the ears comment, they are just freckles aren't they?

His scalp is soooo red as well, like he has just had surgery and he's covered in dry skin, looks a bit strange to me.

End of the day if my scalp is free of white dots i'll tell you and if it's covered in white dots I'll also tell you. What'll be will be.

Spanish dude, just one question for you, it feels like your more on the negative side of Gho to put it politely, but I'm sure deep down you want him to succeed right? Anything other than would be unacceptable.




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moopookoo

12.03.2012, 20:26

@ gc83uk

Weird Gho Complaint

We need dr gho to respond, im sure they could recognize if this guy was their patient.




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Iron_Man

12.03.2012, 20:44

@ gc83uk

Weird Gho Complaint

The pictures below show 3 different FUE patients.

Below – pic 1 shows a FUE patient immediately after FUE extractions
[image]
Below – pic 2 shows Gerard Joling during his 2nd HST procedure
[image]
Below – pic 3 shows a former FUE patient, ready for Rassman’s hair tattoos
[image]
http://www.baldingblog.com/2011/12/16/fue-back-into-the-linear-scar-vs-scar-revision/

I think the real "strange" photo is pic 2 – no white spots from the 1st procedure (1500 grafts) and you can’t even really see the extraction wounds from the 2nd procedure (1700 grafts) like you can see them in pic1, because the implantation part has already started.




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gc83uk

12.03.2012, 20:51

@ Iron_Man

Weird Gho Complaint

»
»
» I think the real "strange" photo is pic 2 – no white spots from the 1st
» procedure (1500 grafts) and you can’t even really see the extraction wounds
» from the 2nd procedure (1700 grafts), because the implantation part has
» already started.

That 1st and 3rd pic is terrible, that's what you call white spots.

I've emailed that Jef Gordon, I'm sure if it has any truth he will email back, otherwise it's bollocks.




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gc83uk

12.03.2012, 21:09

@ gc83uk

Weird Gho Complaint

Umm if you google 'jef gordon' with quotation marks you can see a facebook page, it's quite a unique name the way he has spelt it!

If you looks at the photos it looks a bit like him. Shaved head in some photos, likes wearing hats, same freaky ears, from Orlando speaks Spanish lol.




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Iron_Man

12.03.2012, 21:27

@ Iron_Man

Weird Gho Complaint

» I think the real "strange" photo is pic 2 – no white spots from the 1st
» procedure (1500 grafts) and you can’t even really see the extraction wounds
» from the 2nd procedure (1700 grafts) like you can see them in pic1, because
» the implantation part has already started.

Or how about following HST photos?

Below - pic 1, immediately after HST extractions
[image]
Below - pic 2, 1 week after extractions
[image]
Below - pic 3, 3 month after extractions
[image]
The photos are taken from this paper (page 5):
http://www.hasci.com/uploads/downloads/a2d32e22-c363-4e17-b345-69625dbfcc3dNTVG.Androgenetische%20Alopecia.27feb11.pdf

Is there someone who can show me the same with traditional FUE? I doubt that.

By the way - we now have since more than 10 years FUE on the market. But how many of such (high quality) FUE donor videos (the video quality itself is pretty good), like the "weird gho complaint" video have we seen within the past 10 years?




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Iron_Man

12.03.2012, 21:30

@ Spanish Dude

http://vimeo.com/38325026

» uploaded 19 hours ago.

Sure, interestingly in the moment when Spanish Dud has been on HairSite and checked this thread. :-D

I guess Spanish Dud told his Spanish friend to upload this video (again) and he should claim he is such a poor former Gho patient - right?




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gc83uk

12.03.2012, 21:31

@ Iron_Man

Weird Gho Complaint

I second this, I too would like to see some fue done that is better than the Joling case from another doctor other than Gho.




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Spanish Dude

12.03.2012, 22:44

@ Iron_Man

http://vimeo.com/38325026

nevermind




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Spanish Dude

13.03.2012, 19:04

@ gc83uk

I think this video was not intended for us. It was intended only for Gho.

I think this patient has silently uploaded this video on Vimeo to force Gho into giving his money back. If Gho doesn't do that, the patient will post the video all over the internet forums.

This would explain why he initially uploaded the video with a title and an explanation, but then he rectified, removed it and uploaded it again, this time with no titles and no explanation. This video was not intended for the public. It was intended just for Gho.

needhairasap was too much of a Sherlock LOL.

If my theory is correct:
1. Jef won't answer any message on Vimeo.
2. Maybe he is not even aware that his video is becoming famous before time. LOL.
3. If he finds out, I think he will remove the video.

This would also explain why there are so few Gho complaints: once the patient is refunded, he vanishes and never reports the failure.





» »
» »
» » I think the real "strange" photo is pic 2 – no white spots from the 1st
» » procedure (1500 grafts) and you can’t even really see the extraction
» wounds
» » from the 2nd procedure (1700 grafts), because the implantation part has
» » already started.
»
» That 1st and 3rd pic is terrible, that's what you call white spots.
»
» I've emailed that Jef Gordon, I'm sure if it has any truth he will email
» back, otherwise it's bollocks.




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Iron_Man

13.03.2012, 20:15

@ Spanish Dude

I think this video was not intended for us. It was intended only for Gho.

» This would also explain why there are so few Gho complaints: once the
» patient is refunded, he vanishes and never reports the failure.

Cool. That would mean Gho-patients have nothing to lose.

btw - I asked some different experts concerning this case. Their analysis is astonishing - some say the punch size had to be >1 mm, others have no explanation for the strange scattered pattern (rather a cherry picked pattern) of gaps. And when you try to count the latter (pretty easy to do this especially in this case), you will also get an astonishing number - astonishing, depending on the number of extracted grafts (e.g. 1500 extractions ->20% thereof = no regrowth = gaps = also the explanation for the really strange pattern, because the treated donor area doesn't really show a typical FUE extraction pattern either).
[image]




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wolfgang.lausberg

holland/usa,
14.03.2012, 10:21

@ Iron_Man

I think this video was not intended for us. It was intended only for Gho.

Please stop posting this and educate yourself about fue.
This is a typical fue pattern nothing unusual about it what so ever.
This is how all fue procedures are done.
Explain why this is unusual ?
Also no expert would say it was done with an 1mm punch impossible to tell from a picture.
This is a straight forward fue procedure nothing more nothing less and there is absolutely nothing or unusual wrong with the extractions.




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Iron_Man

14.03.2012, 15:59
(edited by Iron_Man, 14.03.2012, 16:40)

@ wolfgang.lausberg

I think this video was not intended for us. It was intended only for idiots.

» Please stop posting this and educate yourself about fue.
» This is a typical fue pattern nothing unusual about it what so ever.
» This is how all fue procedures are done.
» Explain why this is unusual ?

Sure, with pleasure, mr. expert.

Based on this video and (new) comments below the video …

http://vimeo.com/38325026

I still assume that this guy indeed had a HST procedure about 1 year ago in the Netherlands. Today, the patient mentioned (see comments below the video) the number of extractions/HST grafts – 1400.

This is a number I didn’t have 2 days ago for my “analysis” (I estimated 1500 initially).

Below (screenshot taken from the video) you can see about a third (~33%) of the whole (100%) donor/extraction area after about 1 year, shortly before having a 2nd (normal) HT:
[image]
(pic above FULL SIZE: http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/1107/hstdonorarea.jpg )

Again, the pic above shows about a third (~33%) of the whole donor area, and the red cycles just show where I believe that there was no hair re-growth.

Sorry, but I simply can’t find more than 74 hairless gaps (red cycles) within this area (in comparison to the untreated/other areas), again, where I just BELIEVE that within these red cycles no hair re-growth happened. About the same in the mid donor area and the other head site – try to count all the other gaps yourself (it's not so difficult with HQ video material like in this case).

Calculation: ~74 * 3 = 222 hairless gaps within the WHOLE donor/extraction area.

Even there would be some more hairless gaps which I simply can’t find/see – let’s say ~280 hairless gaps within the WHOLE donor/extraction area - this is 20% of 1400 extractions.

That means, that this guy had about 80% hair re-growth within the whole extraction area!

If you think I am wrong, please PROVE me wrong …

In case of a “normal FUE” procedure, including such a HQ video like by “jef gordon“, I could also with ease count 1400 hairless gaps, and not just about 280 like in this case!

For EXAMPLE - a normal FUE patient. Even there would be no white dots (hypopigmentation), I could still count THE GAPS ...
[image]
[image]

Anyway, whoever this “new doc in Brussels” (quote jef gordon) in reality is (the doc who did the 2nd HT one year later), I think this doc just made the patient excessive crazy and to blame Gho – that’s all.




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Iron_Man

14.03.2012, 16:22
(edited by Iron_Man, 14.03.2012, 16:51)

@ Iron_Man

I think this video was not intended for us. It was intended only for idiots

By the way ...
[image]
[image]

... should I make red cycles within complete "virgin" donor areas, where I believe there are hairless gaps?




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Iron_Man

14.03.2012, 16:34

@ Iron_Man

I think this video was not intended for us. It was intended only for idiots

./..




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Spanish Dude

14.03.2012, 16:50

@ Iron_Man

I think this video was not intended for us. It was intended only for idiots.

It seems that Ironed_Man can't count white dots.
He missed most of them:
as you can see there are very dark areas, very dense, with 2 and 3 hair grafts, and the rest are whitish areas, with only 1-hair grafts. Even if there are no "total gaps", its clear that these whitish areas are missing hairs compared with the darker areas.
This could mean that Gho splitted grafts, in the whitish areas.

[image]




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wolfgang.lausberg

holland/usa,
14.03.2012, 16:54

@ Spanish Dude

I think this video was not intended for us. It was intended only for idiots.

» It seems that Ironed_Man can't count white dots.
» He missed most of them:
»
» [image]


There are way more gaps than you have highlighted.
There are whole areas with missing grafts that you simply have not included.
Clear for anybody to see.




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Iron_Man

14.03.2012, 16:58

@ Spanish Dude

I think this video was not intended for us. It was intended only for idiots.

» It seems that Ironed_Man can't count white dots.
» He missed most of them:
»
» [image]

And how many hair less gaps can mr. perfect countercounter count within this virgin scalp below?
[image]
Wow, I can see more gaps than intended by nature ... :-|

And why do you burn your pics and why do you make them so small? Ah, I know - Spanish Dud likes it to make things more worse than they are in reality ... :-D




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Iron_Man

14.03.2012, 17:09

@ Iron_Man

Weird Gho Complaint

[image]
» [image]

Anyway, there about 270-300 (best case!) hair less gaps scattered within the WHOLE extraction area. THIS is what a normal guy can SEE - not an idiot (or those guys who just don't like what they see)!




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Iron_Man

14.03.2012, 17:26

@ Spanish Dude

http://vimeo.com/38325026

» ouCH!
»
» [image]

WOW - what a hairy donor area!

Spanish Dud was so pissed about this photo so that he almost burned it down! :-D




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gc83uk

14.03.2012, 19:21

@ Iron_Man

http://vimeo.com/38325026

IronMan, your on to something here.

You know that other pic you posted of that really bad fue guy above? Well if you look above his 'obvious' extraction area, like his crown etc, he has loads of natural white gaps of hairless areas. Can you see it or am I seeing things? Maybe a bad example because the white dots I'm mentioning are not in the safe zone, but I think they can happen naturally anywhere including in the safe zone.

Basically these white gaps could quite easily had been present before the transplant ever happened He even has some white gaps going into his neck.

This only would have been evidence if the guy had shown his donor area shaved before he had the extractions done.




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Iron_Man

14.03.2012, 19:52

@ gc83uk

http://vimeo.com/38325026

» IronMan, your on to something here.
»
» You know that other pic you posted of that really bad fue guy above? Well
» if you look above his 'obvious' extraction area, like his crown etc, he has
» loads of natural white gaps of hairless areas. Can you see it or am I
» seeing things? Maybe a bad example because the white dots I'm mentioning
» are not in the safe zone, but I think they can happen naturally anywhere
» including in the safe zone.
»
» Basically these white gaps could quite easily had been present before the
» transplant ever happened He even has some white gaps going into his neck.
»
» This only would have been evidence if the guy had shown his donor area
» shaved before he had the extractions done.

hi gaz,

there is a difference between 1) having real white dots (aka hypopigmentation) INCLUDING hairlessness within these white dots (aka white hairless gaps) and 2) having hairless gaps without having hypopigmentation in addition and 3) completely normal, natural hairless gaps.

Hairs simply doesn't grow in a complete symmetrical pattern - besides the effect of a mix of 1 hair, 2 hair or 3 hair or rarely more FOLLICULAR UNITS (aka "graft" ). The next well-known problem is that FU's/follicles do NOT have the same diameter in every area (besides different densities per cm²) of the whole extraction/donor area. The latter can sometimes lead to unexpected results or transections due to misjudgment of the used extraction needle.

By the way - the guy jef gordon doesn't have hypopigmentation - just about 270-300 hairless gaps. In addition, these hairless gaps have never seen the sunlight during the past 14 month or so ...




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Spanish Dude

15.03.2012, 20:16

@ Iron_Man

http://vimeo.com/38325026

» By the way - the guy jef gordon doesn't have hypopigmentation - just about
» 270-300 hairless gaps. In addition, these hairless gaps have never seen the
» sunlight during the past 14 month or so ...

No, Ironed_Man, Mr. Gordon had 1400 grafts extracted, lets say, around 2000 hairs extracted from the donor area, and now, the donor area is missing probably 2000 hairs, and this is why you can see missing density everywhere (large whitish areas).

In other words, there was NO DONOR REGENERATION.
Otherwise, the donor would look evenly dense.




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gc83uk

15.03.2012, 20:34

@ Spanish Dude

http://vimeo.com/38325026

» » By the way - the guy jef gordon doesn't have hypopigmentation - just
» about
» » 270-300 hairless gaps. In addition, these hairless gaps have never seen
» the
» » sunlight during the past 14 month or so ...
»
» No, Ironed_Man, Mr. Gordon had 1400 grafts extracted, lets say, around 2000
» hairs extracted from the donor area, and now, the donor area is missing
» probably 2000 hairs, and this is why you can see missing density everywhere
» (large whitish areas).
»
» In other words, there was NO DONOR REGENERATION.
» Otherwise, the donor would look evenly dense.

I'm sorry, but 'probably' doesn't cut it.




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Iron_Man

15.03.2012, 20:35
(edited by Iron_Man, 15.03.2012, 21:23)

@ Spanish Dude

NATURE MADE THIS POSSIBLE FOR SPANISH DUDE!

» No, Ironed_Man, Mr. Gordon had 1400 grafts extracted, lets say, ...

Besides you, nobody says 1400 grafts = 2000 hairs.
So does it make sense to discuss further with an idiot?

The problem is, that an idiot like you never before has seen a complete shaved down to ZERO donor area of a former normal FUE patient. jef gordon should shave his donor area again after his normal FUE procedure - THEN you will see a real "disaster" and we will see what his new Doc in Brussels is able to do for him ...
[image]

By the way, Spanish Dud,
Gerard Joling is still on Gho's frontpage ...
[image]




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Spanish Dude

15.03.2012, 21:26

@ Iron_Man

NATURE MADE THIS POSSIBLE FOR SPANISH DUDE!

I don't know what this doctor in Brussels can do for Mr. Gordon, but the matter is that Gho could not multiply hair on Mr. Gordon.


» » No, Ironed_Man, Mr. Gordon had 1400 grafts extracted, lets say,
» ...
»
» Besides you, nobody says 1400 grafts = 2000 hairs.
» So does it make sense to discuss further with an idiot?
»
» The problem is, that an idiot like you never before has seen a complete
» shaved down to ZERO donor area of a former normal FUE patient. jef gordon
» should shave his donor area again after his normal FUE procedure - THEN you
» will see a real "disaster" and we will see what his new Doc in Brussels is
» able to do for him ...
» [image]
»
» By the way, Spanish Dud,
» Gerard Joling is still on Gho's frontpage ...
» [image]




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Iron_Man

15.03.2012, 21:32

@ Spanish Dude

NATURE MADE THIS POSSIBLE FOR SPANISH DUDE!

» I don't know what this doctor in Brussels can do for Mr. Gordon, but the
» matter is that Gho could not multiply hair on Mr. Gordon.

Show us the proof - because we do not like wild claims like yours on HairSite.

btw - why didn't your friend bverotti show the RCC his "Mailman" proof???




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