MPB
30.07.2008, 07:01
@ Willy
|
ACELL creates brand new fur.......... |
» I'm not saying that it will or won't work, but this is the FIRST product
» that actually has potential and is actually BEING TESTED on humans. I know
» for a fact that several doctors are testing this....so I would assume they
» have SOME hope for it. I'm tired of READING about potential cures and the
» science behind hailoss. I've been comming here for many years and,
» ultimately, I just want a full head of hair again.......not to merely
» become more educated about hairloss.
»
» The questions that are being asked are good ones. Now that the product is
» in the hands of HT doctors, hopefully they will be answered. Time will
» tell (and now we're talking months and not 5 years away).
»
» Take Care,
» Bill
And at least that is a step in the right direction. Kudos to you Bill for all your effort on this!
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rev
your nightmares,
30.07.2008, 07:02
@ Willy
|
ACELL creates brand new fur.......... |
» I'm not saying that it will or won't work, but this is the FIRST product
» that actually has potential and is actually BEING TESTED on humans. I know
» for a fact that several doctors are testing this....so I would assume they
» have SOME hope for it. I'm tired of READING about potential cures and the
» science behind hailoss. I've been comming here for many years and,
» ultimately, I just want a full head of hair again.......not to merely
» become more educated about hairloss.
»
» The questions that are being asked are good ones. Now that the product is
» in the hands of HT doctors, hopefully they will be answered. Time will
» tell (and now we're talking months and not 5 years away).
»
» Take Care,
» Bill
I'm extremely pleased Acell is in the hands of doctors, but that doesn't mean we can't keep discussing potential home-brew applications of the product. I'm not concerned about creating brand new hair right now (that's Follica territory). I'm interested in re-awakening what we already have (miniaturized follicles), so my questions to benji still stand.
1) what's the depth of hair follicles in the scalp? (answered - 4mm)
2) what will it take to get Acell close to that depth.. SAFELY (dermabrasion, dermaroller, etc...)?
3) could Acell be mixed with some other compound to make it more soluble by those hair follicles?
.
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HanginInThere
Hair loss University,
30.07.2008, 07:19
@ rev
|
THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION TO DATE ! ! ! |
» That's exactly my point. I'm sure most people won't remember, but we had a
» discussion about Acell back in January/ February when somebody posted
» photos of the animals treated with Acell.
»
» At the time I mentioned I had two Dobermans who injured their legs, and
» decided to lick their wounds until they increased in size to outlandish
» proportions. Don't ask me why, but some Dobermans are pretty stupid... they
» don't know when to stop licking their wounds. My first Doberman licked
» approximately a 1.5"x4" piece of flesh off his rear leg... while my second
» Doberman decided to lick a 2"x5" portion off his front leg. Both wounds
» were right down to the flesh (there was no fur in sight). This happened a
» while back... well before Acell. Once we put cones on their heads, and
» treated them with antibiotics both wounds healed perfectly (fur included).
» My Dobermans stupidity aside, animals have it in themselves to heal fairly
» well. That's one of the biggest reasons I refuse to translate acell's
» success on animals to humans.
»
» I think Acell is a remarkable product, and I do think it has potential to
» regrow/ stimulate dormant hair on humans... I just think the skin would
» have to be knocked-back to a point where Acell can interact with those
» dormant/ reduced hair cells.... otherwise I think (like most of you guys)
» that it will simply regrow skin opposed to hair.
»
»
»
» well, I assume they were normal animals, not immuno-deficient
» animals. That is something.
»
» Normally, animals with grafted human skin are immuno-deficient, and thus,
» the experiment is worthless.
»
» But anyways, you are right. Dogs and cats are very hairy, and thus they
» have a strong tendency to grow hair. This could not work in scalp hair
» in humans.
only time will tell whether it will work on humans
my question is, why are humans allowed to be used as guinea pigs...........when the product is not officially licensed for this purpose
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HanginInThere
Hair loss University,
30.07.2008, 07:23
@ GrowthFactor
|
you are missing the point |
Seems that nobody is bothered by this
1. if they tested it on humans , it must not have completed the testing since it is not approved for use in humans for this purpose. Or , the tests you ASSUME they must have done on humans,,,,,,,,,,did not produce cosmetically viable results......another option which is not good.
2 if it is not approved for use in humans for this purpose, why is it ok for docs to try it out, basically conduct their own tests? doesnt this need to be an official test or can docs just say, hmm i think i will try this on humans for hair growth
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HanginInThere
Hair loss University,
30.07.2008, 07:25
@ rev
|
also rev |
» You can't just apply Acell to the scalp and assume it will specifically
» target our dormant hair cells. Moreso, it would be naive of us to think
» Acell can create completely new follicles (like the Follica concept). The
» gentleman with the severed fingertip regrew a "younger" (quicker growing)
» fingernail, but Acell was applied directly to his intact nail-bed. If you
» continue that train of thought, we might be able to reverse the clock on
» our follicles if we could get Acell to interact with them directly.
»
» So here are the big 3 questions someone smarter than me will have to
» contend with:
» 1) what's the depth of hair follicles in the scalp?
» 2) what will it take to get Acell to that depth.. SAFELY (dermabrasion,
» dermaroller, etc...)?
» 3) could Acell be mixed with some other compound to make it more soluble
» by those hair follicles?
»
»
»
»
» .]
the horse pic for example. was a GAPING wound, not some dermabrasion
this has to be considered in potential results
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helpme007
30.07.2008, 07:30
@ Willy
|
i really didnt think... |
...that this thing would be real. i really thought its a fake. but now already doctors are testing it.
i think the best thing to do is wait a few months, so that we know for sure if it works or not. there is still to much speculation in here... much to much.
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rev
your nightmares,
30.07.2008, 08:25
@ HanginInThere
|
also rev |
» the horse pic for example. was a GAPING wound, not some dermabrasion
»
» this has to be considered in potential results
No doubt. You can't compare those crazy wound scenarios to human hair experiments because you can't replicate them. Moreso, animals grow hair at the drop of a dime, so that aspect of Acell is moot.
Instead, I'm struck by one small part of the severed fingertip story. The fact that the guy's new fingernail grows back faster than the rest makes me wonder if we can do the same for miniaturized follicles with the help of Acell.
.
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Mr. Frodo
30.07.2008, 11:19
@ benji
|
fue will not work |
» » You can't just apply Acell to the scalp and assume it will specifically
» » target our dormant hair cells. Moreso, it would be naive of us to think
» » Acell can create completely new follicles (like the Follica concept).
» The
» » gentleman with the severed fingertip regrew a "younger" (quicker
» growing)
» » fingernail, but Acell was applied directly to his intact nail-bed. If
» you
» » continue that train of thought, we might be able to reverse the clock
» on
» » our follicles if we could get Acell to interact with them directly.
» »
» » So here are the big 3 questions someone smarter than me will have to
» » contend with:
» » 1) what's the depth of hair follicles in the scalp?
» » 2) what will it take to get Acell to that depth.. SAFELY (dermabrasion,
» » dermaroller, etc...)?
» » 3) could Acell be mixed with some other compound to make it more
» soluble
» » by those hair follicles?
» »
»
»
»
»
» Have you looked at the photos on their site?
»
» OF COURSE IT CREATES "NEW" FOLLICLES. The wound depth in some of the
» photos is BONE DEEP. The dermis is completely gone, period.
»
» GO to ACELL's site and look at the pictures. Focus on the picture of the
» cat and horse's snout. The dermis is completely gone.
»
»
» Follicle depth in the scalp is something like 4mm or so in the anagen
» phase.
»
» We dont know how much of the dermis will have to be removed to make ACELL
» to make new follicles, but I do know that FUE surgeries remove the entire
» hair follicle, so the holes created would be deep enough. I suppose they'd
» need to be left open and acell applied to the hole--------------in hopes
» that it would make a hair-follicle or follicular unit instead of just
» regrowing skin over the wound.
» »
» »
» »
» » .
i think you are too optimistic, i am sure the wound has to be very big in order for the acell powder to work, strip has a better chance, not fue and that sucks because i don't think i want to go for strip, it looks very painful.
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Ahab
30.07.2008, 13:56
@ benji
|
ACELL creates brand new fur.......... |
» Have you looked at the photos on their site?
»
» OF COURSE IT CREATES "NEW" FOLLICLES. The wound depth in some of the
» photos is BONE DEEP. The dermis is completely gone, period.
»
» GO to ACELL's site and look at the pictures. Focus on the picture of the
» cat and horse's snout. The dermis is completely gone.
And salamaders can regrow legs if you cut one off.
So?
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maneless
30.07.2008, 14:02
@ Ahab
|
ACELL creates brand new fur.......... |
» » Have you looked at the photos on their site?
» »
» » OF COURSE IT CREATES "NEW" FOLLICLES. The wound depth in some of the
» » photos is BONE DEEP. The dermis is completely gone, period.
» »
» » GO to ACELL's site and look at the pictures. Focus on the picture of
» the
» » cat and horse's snout. The dermis is completely gone.
»
» And salamaders can regrow legs if you cut one off.
»
» So?
But salamanders have been doing this for eons AND WITHOUT ANY HELP FROM MAN. It's out of our control. These other animals are re-growing hair as a result of the intervention of man. We are controlling the hair growth in these other animals. These other animals are complex mamals and if we can do this in thes complex mamals then this same stuff may well do it for us. Ahab, this looks very very promising.
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TAGOHL
30.07.2008, 14:15
@ Mr. Frodo
|
fue will not work |
» i think you are too optimistic, i am sure the wound has to be very big in
» order for the acell powder to work, strip has a better chance, not fue and
» that sucks because i don't think i want to go for strip, it looks very
» painful.
Follica showed that 4mm diameter punch wounds don't regenerate new hair upon healing. I believe FUE holes are around 0.75 to 1mm in diameter (someone from the transplant forum can correct me here), which are obviously much smaller punch wounds than in Follica's experiments.
It would be interesting to know if there's a wound size limitation with respect to ACELL-induced healing/hair follicles.
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maneless
30.07.2008, 14:21
@ HanginInThere
|
also rev |
» » You can't just apply Acell to the scalp and assume it will specifically
» » target our dormant hair cells. Moreso, it would be naive of us to think
» » Acell can create completely new follicles (like the Follica concept).
» The
» » gentleman with the severed fingertip regrew a "younger" (quicker
» growing)
» » fingernail, but Acell was applied directly to his intact nail-bed. If
» you
» » continue that train of thought, we might be able to reverse the clock
» on
» » our follicles if we could get Acell to interact with them directly.
» »
» » So here are the big 3 questions someone smarter than me will have to
» » contend with:
» » 1) what's the depth of hair follicles in the scalp?
» » 2) what will it take to get Acell to that depth.. SAFELY (dermabrasion,
» » dermaroller, etc...)?
» » 3) could Acell be mixed with some other compound to make it more
» soluble
» » by those hair follicles?
» »
» »
» »
» »
» » .]
»
»
» the horse pic for example. was a GAPING wound, not some dermabrasion
»
» this has to be considered in potential results
I think that we would have to use this as an unlimited donor hair system rather than dermabrasing the bald areas. If you dermabrase the bald areas there will be dying hair cells in the balding area and those dying hair cells could be the giving the necessary info to the ACELL telling ACELL how to build the new skin/hair. We don't want the ACELL using the info from the hair cells in the balding area. We want the ACELL to get the info from strong healthy hair cells and that means the info should come from the hair cells in the donor area. ACELL would work best by significant harvestation from the donor area and then using ACELL to restore the donor area so another harvestation could be done from the donor area, etc, etc, as needed.
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tomtom
30.07.2008, 14:25
@ HairSite
|
Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
What about the pictures of animals who regenerate hair without using Acell? I hope maybe Acell just helps stimulate new growth.
http://www.cloverdalewellness.com/web/Wellness/Wellness/web/EN/main/13409/Testimonials_animal.html
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Sceptic
30.07.2008, 14:29
@ tomtom
|
Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
» What about the pictures of animals who regenerate hair without using Acell?
yes, it happens all the time, but some people thinks it only happens because of acell, the new fashion product, isn't that curious ?
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blahblah
30.07.2008, 14:42
@ Sceptic
|
Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
» » What about the pictures of animals who regenerate hair without using
» Acell?
»
» yes, it happens all the time, but some people thinks it only happens
» because of acell, the new fashion product, isn't that curious ?
why are you so fcking negative. i cant stand you depressing fcks. you dont have to make fun of acell, by calling it "the new fashion product" like its the trend of the week.
i dont see you coming up with a thing that even has the chance of helping us balding guys. your only contribution is constantly whining and calling yourself "sceptic".
How about a "yea animals do regrow fur without acell but lets hope it can work for us" rather than your depressing fcking comments that seem as though your rooting for everythint to fail.
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tomtom
30.07.2008, 14:46
@ blahblah
|
Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
I really, really, hope it works and I do think the Acell pictures look better. All I was saying is that surgeons might have been, in the past, too quick to sew up wounds up.
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Willy
30.07.2008, 14:55
@ blahblah
|
Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
» » » What about the pictures of animals who regenerate hair without using
» » Acell?
» »
» » yes, it happens all the time, but some people thinks it only happens
» » because of acell, the new fashion product, isn't that curious ?
»
» why are you so fcking negative. i cant stand you depressing fcks. you dont
» have to make fun of acell, by calling it "the new fashion product" like its
» the trend of the week.
»
» i dont see you coming up with a thing that even has the chance of helping
» us balding guys. your only contribution is constantly whining and calling
» yourself "sceptic".
»
» How about a "yea animals do regrow fur without acell but lets hope it can
» work for us" rather than your depressing fcking comments that seem as
» though your rooting for everythint to fail.
Remember, the doctors already have it and they're going to try it. It will either work or it won't. These negative posters can't stop it..... no matter how much they might wish they could. Think how pathetic their lives must be...comming to a hairloss forum and riduculing every possible hope we have for progress. Then they sit back and say, "I told you so" as if they are more enlightened about the subject than the rest of us. Their prize.......they get to stay bald! Congratulations!
I only wonder why they are even here? If they truly believe that nothing will help in the next 10 or so years, do they really enjoy comming to a hair loss forum to keep up with the science behind hair loss. I don't really get it.
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Ahab
30.07.2008, 14:56
@ maneless
|
ACELL creates brand new fur.......... |
» These other animals are re-growing hair as
» a result of the intervention of man.
Not necessarily.
It could well be that all we are doing is inducing the formation of skin instead of scar tissue.
And that once skin is formed in animals, fur may automatically follow--whether or not that skin started growing through medical intervention.
I hope I am wrong--but so far on this board, I have been right every time (at least on questions where the jury is not still out).
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Willy
30.07.2008, 14:58
@ Ahab
|
ACELL creates brand new fur.......... |
» » These other animals are re-growing hair as
» » a result of the intervention of man.
»
» Not necessarily.
»
» It could well be that all we are doing is inducing the formation of skin
» instead of scar tissue.
»
» And that once skin is formed in animals, fur may automatically
» follow--whether or not that skin started growing through medical
» intervention.
»
» I hope I am wrong--but so far on this board, I have been right every time
» (at least on questions where the jury is not still out).
Well...the jury is still out on this one!
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Sceptic
30.07.2008, 16:50
@ blahblah
|
Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
» why are you so fcking negative.
pragmatic, not negative
» i cant stand you depressing fcks.
sorry but I don't really care what you stand or not
» you dont
» have to make fun of acell, by calling it "the new fashion product" like its
» the trend of the week.
»
» i dont see you coming up with a thing that even has the chance of helping
» us balding guys.
I simply don't agree with you, follica might have a chance but I don't see any relation between acell and hair growth ... ECM is not a new thing, by the way, you may think acell it's a new miracle, I don't think it.
» your only contribution is constantly whining
me whinning ? ... I'm not complaining, I'm not protesting, that's likely what you will do when your expectations aren't satisfied
» and calling
» yourself "sceptic".
»
» How about a "yea animals do regrow fur without acell but lets hope it can
» work for us" rather than your depressing fcking comments that seem as
» though your rooting for everythint to fail.
Because I choose my words, mr. blah, and sorry, don't read me, I don't post very often, just a hobby. You believers become very aggressive when you perceive a slight breath of skepticism, I'm scared
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Sceptic
30.07.2008, 17:11
@ Willy
|
Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
» These negative posters can't stop it..... no
» matter how much they might wish they could. Think how pathetic their lives
» must be...comming to a hairloss forum and riduculing every possible hope we
» have for progress. Then they sit back and say, "I told you so" as if they
» are more enlightened about the subject than the rest of us. Their
» prize.......they get to stay bald! Congratulations!
»
» I only wonder why they are even here? If they truly believe that nothing
» will help in the next 10 or so years, do they really enjoy comming to a
» hair loss forum to keep up with the science behind hair loss. I don't
» really get it.
See my response to Mr. Blah, Willy, the problem is that when somebody don't agree with you the believers, then you become very uncomfortable and aggressive and then you start your nonsenses and childish and old typical remarks ... Listen to this, if you like it or not : Acell is a joke ( for hair disorders, I mean ) ... yes, a joke, you can call one, two, or a million doctors, it will be the same .. it's a joke, it's not their purpose/indication to cure this cosmetic disease. Follica is another kind of thing, and I have a lot of doubts about it, but it is indicated for hair loss/growth, not to mention HM, which is real science with a lot of background behind it, but it looks that things are slower that we'd liked, don't you think, willy ?
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maneless
30.07.2008, 17:20
@ Ahab
|
ACELL creates brand new fur.......... |
» » These other animals are re-growing hair as
» » a result of the intervention of man.
»
» Not necessarily.
»
» It could well be that all we are doing is inducing the formation of skin
» instead of scar tissue.
»
» And that once skin is formed in animals, fur may automatically
» follow--whether or not that skin started growing through medical
» intervention.
You've selected a very slim slice of what is going on as portentially caused by nature, but you do have a valid point. It is possible that man is only regrowing the skin and then nature is regrowing the hair in these animals, and that may not happen with humans. You might be right, but until we find out for sure I still think that just based on the evidence we have so far this stuff looks extremely promising. This is the best I've felt about a potential treatment in years. This looks hot. I feel better about this than I even felt about RU. Of course there are still some facts that need to be determined, but right now I'm guardedly optimistic. One thing I think is very interesting isn't just the hair growth on animals - it's also that the thumb that was grown INCLUDED FINGERTIPS.
INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!
»
» I hope I am wrong--but so far on this board, I have been right every time
» (at least on questions where the jury is not still out).
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blahblah
30.07.2008, 17:35
@ Sceptic
|
Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
» Because I choose my words, mr. blah, and sorry, don't read me, I don't
» post very often, just a hobby. You believers become very aggressive when
» you perceive a slight breath of skepticism, I'm scared
i thank you for coming on here and blessing us with your words of wisdoms, oh savior of reality.
its not about being positive or negative. its just about not being such a cheerleader for everything to go bad. Thats what you are, youre a cheerleader for negative results. You get a kick out of things failing instead of hoping that they work.
And clearly doctors dont think its a joke, because hair transplant doctors are requesting to give it a go and looking for test subjects. If it was a joke, it wouldnt be given a second thought by docs.
Who knows if it will work, I dont assume anything will work until it does, but i dont secretly foam at the mouth, jerking off to the hope that it fails like you do. I choose to remain optimistic about anything that can help me regrow hair without putting all my money on it or against it.
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Sceptic
30.07.2008, 17:51
@ blahblah
|
Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
» its not about being positive or negative. its just about not being such a
» cheerleader for everything to go bad. Thats what you are, youre a
» cheerleader for negative results. You get a kick out of things failing
» instead of hoping that they work.
I just tell you that Acell will do nothing for your hairless zones, and it will be like that independently of what I "hope", it has nothing behind it ( for hair loss, I mean ).
»
» And clearly doctors dont think its a joke, because hair transplant doctors
» are requesting to give it a go and looking for test subjects. If it was a
» joke, it wouldnt be given a second thought by docs.
how old are you, Mr. Blah ?
» Who knows if it will work, I dont assume anything will work until it does,
» but i dont secretly foam at the mouth, jerking off to the hope that it
» fails like you do. I choose to remain optimistic about anything that can
» help me regrow hair without putting all my money on it or against it.
Why do you get angry with me ? Do I get angry with you for believing in acell ? No. Learn to respect other opinions, don't make a fool of yourself. Have a good day, I think everything is said, you like to believe in tales, and I respect it, but don't force everybody to follow you. By the way, the "jerking off" has made me laugh, my english is very limited.
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Spanish Dude
30.07.2008, 18:35
@ HanginInThere
|
I agree. |
I agree with you, Hanging, this is being a bit chaotic.
I think it should be Acell who do the trials and publish the results.
But they are simply selling the powder saying "maybe it works". It reminds me to the company that sells Lipoxidil.
I think Acell should test it in humans for normal wounds, and then tell us if the new skin has follicles or not. And publish photos.
AND THEN, if they have verified that the new skin indeed has follicles, then it is the time for HT surgeons to test in in the scalp.
» Seems that nobody is bothered by this
»
» 1. if they tested it on humans , it must not have completed the testing
» since it is not approved for use in humans for this purpose. Or , the tests
» you ASSUME they must have done on humans,,,,,,,,,,did not produce
» cosmetically viable results......another option which is not good.
»
» 2 if it is not approved for use in humans for this purpose, why is it ok
» for docs to try it out, basically conduct their own tests? doesnt this need
» to be an official test or can docs just say, hmm i think i will try this on
» humans for hair growth
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maneless
30.07.2008, 18:58
@ Spanish Dude
|
I agree. |
» I agree with you, Hanging, this is being a bit chaotic.
» I think it should be Acell who do the trials and publish the results.
» But they are simply selling the powder saying "maybe it works". It reminds
» me to the company that sells Lipoxidil.
»
» I think Acell should test it in humans for normal wounds, and then tell us
» if the new skin has follicles or not. And publish photos.
» AND THEN, if they have verified that the new skin indeed has follicles,
» then it is the time for HT surgeons to test in in the scalp.
»
»
»
» » Seems that nobody is bothered by this
» »
» » 1. if they tested it on humans , it must not have completed the testing
» » since it is not approved for use in humans for this purpose. Or , the
» tests
» » you ASSUME they must have done on humans,,,,,,,,,,did not produce
» » cosmetically viable results......another option which is not good.
» »
» » 2 if it is not approved for use in humans for this purpose, why is it
» ok
» » for docs to try it out, basically conduct their own tests? doesnt this
» need
» » to be an official test or can docs just say, hmm i think i will try this
» on
» » humans for hair growth
It's already avail for humans. If ACELL were to run seperate human studies to test it for human hair growth potential then that would mean we would be looking at 10 - 15 YEARS before it comes to market for hair growth. Since it's alreayd avail for human use all the hair docs have to do is play with it a little and they will know within months if it will do what we need it to do.
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blahblah
30.07.2008, 19:47
@ Sceptic
|
Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
» »
» » And clearly doctors dont think its a joke, because hair transplant
» doctors
» » are requesting to give it a go and looking for test subjects. If it was
» a
» » joke, it wouldnt be given a second thought by docs.
»
»
»
» how old are you, Mr. Blah ?
»
»
ha, i fail to see how this has any relevance. Are you implying im naiive to think that truly professional doctors use bogus products when treating their patients?
Enlighten me oh wise one because I dont see the connection between my comment and yours. the transplant surgeons are interested in testing this, and if they are it has a slight possibility that the product makes scientific sense.
and likewise, i dont come on here and cheerlead for acell. Im hoping for the best, nothing more so if you want to say "im not sure if acell will work" go right ahead it doesnt hurt me a bit. But if you want to bog down the board with your negativity "proclaiming" it doesnt work when you dont know sh*t, do us a favor and shut the fck up already.
Last post regarding you. im tired of the forum being wasted by back and forth arguments rather than real discussions.
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Willy
30.07.2008, 19:48
@ Sceptic
|
Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
Thank you for your expert opinion, but I still think that I will wait it out to see what the doctors find out.
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Sceptic
30.07.2008, 20:18
@ Willy
|
Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
» Thank you for your expert opinion, but I still think that I will wait it
» out to see what the doctors find out.
Buy a chair.
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Sceptic
30.07.2008, 20:36
@ blahblah
|
Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
» » »
» » » And clearly doctors dont think its a joke, because hair transplant
» » doctors
» » » are requesting to give it a go and looking for test subjects. If it
» was
» » a
» » » joke, it wouldnt be given a second thought by docs.
» »
» »
» »
» » how old are you, Mr. Blah ?
» »
» »
» ha, i fail to see how this has any relevance.
» Are you implying im naiive
» to think that truly professional doctors use bogus products when treating
» their patients?
» Enlighten me oh wise one because I dont see the connection between my
» comment and yours. the transplant surgeons are interested in testing this,
» and if they are it has a slight possibility that the product makes
» scientific sense.
No, they are clever and will say anything that a desperate moron want to hear, great interest ? LOL, well, just a " oh, ok, yes, I will test it ".
» Im hoping for
» the best, nothing more so if you want to say "im not sure if acell will
» work" go right ahead it doesnt hurt me a bit. But if you want to bog down
» the board with your negativity "proclaiming" it doesnt work when you dont
» know sh*t, do us a favor and shut the fck up already.
»
» Last post regarding you. im tired of the forum being wasted by back and
» forth arguments rather than real discussions.
Bye, bye, acell cheerleader
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Sceptic
30.07.2008, 20:46
@ Spanish Dude
|
I agree. |
» I agree with you, Hanging, this is being a bit chaotic.
» I think it should be Acell who do the trials and publish the results.
» But they are simply selling the powder saying "maybe it works". It reminds
» me to the company that sells Lipoxidil.
»
» I think Acell should test it in humans for normal wounds, and then tell us
» if the new skin has follicles or not. And publish photos.
» AND THEN, if they have verified that the new skin indeed has follicles,
» then it is the time for HT surgeons to test in in the scalp.
Acell MAYBE is an improvement for wound healing, nothing more but nothing less, not a kind of miracle powder that can regenerate everything it touches, like some people is saying
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Spanish Dude
30.07.2008, 21:19
@ maneless
|
I agree. |
» It's already avail for humans. If ACELL were to run seperate human
» studies to test it for human hair growth potential then that would mean we
» would be looking at 10 - 15 YEARS before it comes to market for hair
» growth. Since it's alreayd avail for human use all the hair docs have to
» do is play with it a little and they will know within months if it will do
» what we need it to do.
if it is approved for humans, this means that they have tried it in humans, and thus, they must know if the regenerated skin has hairs.
They don't need to run a separate trial for hair regeneration. Just a trial for skin regeneration would be enough to know if hair is regenerated, and the characteristics of this hair.
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maneless
30.07.2008, 22:15
@ Spanish Dude
|
I agree. |
» » It's already avail for humans. If ACELL were to run seperate human
» » studies to test it for human hair growth potential then that would mean
» we
» » would be looking at 10 - 15 YEARS before it comes to market for hair
» » growth. Since it's alreayd avail for human use all the hair docs have
» to
» » do is play with it a little and they will know within months if it will
» do
» » what we need it to do.
»
» if it is approved for humans, this means that they have tried it in
» humans, and thus, they must know if the regenerated skin has hairs.
» They don't need to run a separate trial for hair regeneration. Just a
» trial for skin regeneration would be enough to know if hair is regenerated,
» and the characteristics of this hair.
But you are not factoring the FDA crapola process. The FDA will force multiple studies, years long each, with data collecting periods between each study and then a 1/2 years to 2 years before approval. They might actually still make the company go animal studies because the company never did animal studies to see if it would grow hair on animals. Of course we know it does but the company probably hasn't collected data on that because they didn't care about that issue since it was being developed for animal injrries and nobody cares about animal hair. The FDA would demand animal studies of the stuff specifically being put on animal heads too. By the time all is said and done it would come to market just in time to for your grandkids to get the benefit from the stuff. Do you want your hair back soon or do you want to drag this out and get your grandkids their hair back instead?
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Spanish Dude
31.07.2008, 18:25
@ maneless
|
I agree. |
Maneless, I want to see close-up photos of skin regrown in humans, to see if there are hairs or not.
Anyway, even if I said that this is being a chaotic sequence of events, I welcome any experiment done by HT doctors with Acell. And yes, if this brings us faster information, then great.
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benji
01.08.2008, 00:50
@ Sceptic
|
Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
» » » »
» » » » And clearly doctors dont think its a joke, because hair transplant
» » » doctors
» » » » are requesting to give it a go and looking for test subjects. If it
» » was
» » » a
» » » » joke, it wouldnt be given a second thought by docs.
» » »
» » »
» » »
» » » how old are you, Mr. Blah ?
» » »
» » »
» » ha, i fail to see how this has any relevance.
» » Are you implying im naiive
» » to think that truly professional doctors use bogus products when
» treating
» » their patients?
» » Enlighten me oh wise one because I dont see the connection between my
» » comment and yours. the transplant surgeons are interested in testing
» this,
» » and if they are it has a slight possibility that the product makes
» » scientific sense.
»
» No, they are clever and will say anything that a desperate moron want to
» hear, great interest ? LOL, well, just a " oh, ok, yes, I will test it ".
»
» » Im hoping for
» » the best, nothing more so if you want to say "im not sure if acell will
» » work" go right ahead it doesnt hurt me a bit. But if you want to bog
» down
» » the board with your negativity "proclaiming" it doesnt work when you
» dont
» » know sh*t, do us a favor and shut the fck up already.
» »
» » Last post regarding you. im tired of the forum being wasted by back and
» » forth arguments rather than real discussions.
»
» Bye, bye, acell cheerleader
Just interested "Sceptic".................Do you think you know MORE or LESS than Dr. Robert Jones about Dermatology and hair? Do you think his scientific credidentials are more valid than your own, or less validating?
If Jones, and a few other doctors, dont get human results with ACELL, then your attitude will be justified, but if the US Military is even willing to test ACELL, then they have some very good reasons to believe it efficious in human beings----or they wouldn't even be willing to waste their time.
If all you have to contribute to the discussion of ACELL is scientifically pointless negativity, then by all means dont waste your time reading about it and commenting on it. If the product fails in human beings (since it obviously works on animals) your opinions will be confirmed. Until then, you dont know anything than anyone else doens't know.
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z22
01.08.2008, 02:25
@ benji
|
Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
Okay, long time lurker, but I had to post in here.
I don't consider myself especially successful, and I want a cure for this disease as much as the next guy. Even perhaps as much as Ahab. Really...
But I have to say, whatever "Sceptic"'s prior posts may have been, he's making some reasonable points here, and you guys are just attacking him almost solely because he disagrees with you.
I don't know how much Dr. Robert Jones knows about dermatology. Firstly, are we to place blind faith in the judgement of the good doctor, simply because he is a dermatologist? People with weightier credentials than he have been proven wrong, and conversely, some of the lowly posters on this board have been proven right.
Secondly, has Dr. Jones made any claims whatsoever that Acell has any chance of growing hair? From what I have so far read, both surgeons who have publicly announced their intention to use Acell are using for scar healing.
Then let me ask, what difference does it make if the US Military is willing to test Acell? Are they trying to grow hair? Nobody here is doubting that Acell may be useful for many things, but the only real question we're interested in here is: does it grow new hair.
The pictures of animals regrowing fur is nice to see, but it really tells us absolutely nothing about whether or not this stuff will grow hair on humans. As many people have stated, animal fur is far easier to grow than human hair. Someone even posted pictures of an animal whose open wound almost completely grew over, fur and all, without Acell. Another related a story of his Doberman with an open wound that also completely healed, fur and all, without Acell. It seems like, once skin is healed, regrowing hair on animals is the norm rather than the exception. Perhaps Acell is only regrowing healthy skin, and in animals that may tend to regrow fur.
Next, may I ask, is scientifically 'pointless' negativity any worse than scientifically pointless positivity? You are attacking somebody because he posts negatively, based on the fact that he doesn't know any more than anyone else. This may be true, but would the same not hold for all those who post in favor of Acell? They don't know more than anyone either; why are their posts acceptable? I'm here to try to get a feeling on what's happening in the hairloss world; I'm certainly not interested in having my hopes artificially brought up because some people are offended by others posting contrary points of view.
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benji
01.08.2008, 03:09
@ z22
|
Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
» Okay, long time lurker, but I had to post in here.
»
» I don't consider myself especially successful, and I want a cure for this
» disease as much as the next guy. Even perhaps as much as Ahab. Really...
»
» But I have to say, whatever "Sceptic"'s prior posts may have been, he's
» making some reasonable points here, and you guys are just attacking him
» almost solely because he disagrees with you.
»
» I don't know how much Dr. Robert Jones knows about dermatology. Firstly,
» are we to place blind faith in the judgement of the good doctor, simply
» because he is a dermatologist? People with weightier credentials than he
» have been proven wrong, and conversely, some of the lowly posters on this
» board have been proven right.
»
» Secondly, has Dr. Jones made any claims whatsoever that Acell has any
» chance of growing hair? From what I have so far read, both surgeons who
» have publicly announced their intention to use Acell are using for scar
» healing.
»
» Then let me ask, what difference does it make if the US Military is
» willing to test Acell? Are they trying to grow hair? Nobody here is
» doubting that Acell may be useful for many things, but the only real
» question we're interested in here is: does it grow new hair.
»
» The pictures of animals regrowing fur is nice to see, but it really tells
» us absolutely nothing about whether or not this stuff will grow hair on
» humans. As many people have stated, animal fur is far easier to grow than
» human hair. Someone even posted pictures of an animal whose open wound
» almost completely grew over, fur and all, without Acell. Another related a
» story of his Doberman with an open wound that also completely healed, fur
» and all, without Acell. It seems like, once skin is healed, regrowing hair
» on animals is the norm rather than the exception. Perhaps Acell is only
» regrowing healthy skin, and in animals that may tend to regrow fur.
»
» Next, may I ask, is scientifically 'pointless' negativity any worse than
» scientifically pointless positivity? You are attacking somebody because he
» posts negatively, based on the fact that he doesn't know any more than
» anyone else. This may be true, but would the same not hold for all those
» who post in favor of Acell? They don't know more than anyone either; why
» are their posts acceptable? I'm here to try to get a feeling on what's
» happening in the hairloss world; I'm certainly not interested in having my
» hopes artificially brought up because some people are offended by others
» posting contrary points of view.
Fair enough Z22,
I'll give you the lay of the land. ACELL has (by several photos) regrown tissue, dermis, and fur on animals who were missing all three. Dermis was completey removed in some cases..............down to the bone. It did this despite the immune system being fully functional in the animal.
Follica performed experiments with human skin from the donor area on immuno-deficient mice.................abraded them, and got human hair. It also got hair on experimental animals when abrading them and blockig epidermal growth factor receptors.
Inctercytex and Aderans both have grown human hair on immunocompromised mice by injecting dermal papilla cells with other inductive cells. Intercytex has gotten SOME HAIR to grow on human subjects on bald skin, but not enough to be really cosmetically signigigant to where people would pay big money to have it done. Its probably about as effective as minoxidil alone. However, make no mistake, they did increase the amount of hair on bald scalp---but thats another story.
If none of these three methodologies work......................it really may be a LONG LONG time. As in it would be best to forget about it. Cell injections obviously need alot more work, and it will probably be the case (just like Aderans is working on) that tissue matrixes where cellular injects can mature into "proto-hairs" will be necessary for proto hairs to be transplanted into scalp before good results are obtained. Thats going to take a while as that technology is yet another hurdle in that kind of research.
We have had freak cases of wounded human skin growing hair, so we know its possible. Can they turn on the correct pathways at the correct time to be able to "make" more hair? To "make" more hair back in the donor area between existing hair? I'll tell you who seems to think we can...............Follica's people do. ACELL's folks seem to think their product could make more human hair. These are smart folks. They are working on it. To just hop on the board and be relentlessly negative and defeatist is being ridiculous. Why do you think people (like me) are anxious to get on with the human experiments. That way we will know for certain if it can be made to go. Dismissing it before its even had a chance is ludicrious. Keep in mind, ICX did INDEED grow 'some' hair, but not enough. Will this grow more? We will have to wait and see. Im hoping for something that can make hair in the donor area after some FUE work has been performed. The donor-area cell lines should produce donor-area characteristic hair if it indeed can make hair in humans.
Getfitinib made alot of hair on one persons NOSE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>keep that in mind.
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Sceptic
01.08.2008, 03:26
@ benji
|
Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
» Just interested "Sceptic".................Do you think you know MORE or
» LESS than Dr. Robert Jones about Dermatology and hair?
what do you think ?
» Do you think his
» scientific credidentials are more valid than your own, or less validating?
»
»
» If Jones, and a few other doctors, dont get human results with ACELL, then
» your attitude will be justified,
what is "human results" ? ... Well, what I have read is : " Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair " but what some people is saying here in this forum is : " Acell will give me a full head of hair " and I have nothing against that people, only that I have said that I disagree, and I have said that a bit radically ... well, I'm sorry, from now on I will say : " maybe Acell won't give anybody a full head of hair "
» but if the US Military is even willing to
» test ACELL, then they have some very good reasons to believe it efficious
» in human beings----or they wouldn't even be willing to waste their time.
I didn't know they were testing it for hairloss, which is my point.
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rev
your nightmares,
01.08.2008, 03:43
@ Sceptic
|
BICKERING vs RESEARCHING |
Last time I checked this section was still called "Hair Multiplication & Research". I didn't get any newsletters indicating it is was getting renamed to the "McDonald's Playground". However, if you promise to absorb the points in the next paragraph than I promise to buy you (and the rest of the kids that come here) a happy meal.
01) Drugs are resurrected/ re-purposed on a daily basis (both safely and successfully)
02) This is a RESEARCH forum where people RESEARCH all possibilities.
03) The time we spend bickering takes time away from RESEARCHING solutions.
.
rev is located in YOUR NIGHTMARES and he is available to meet: NO ---
"Especially important is the warning to avoid conversations with the shill. We may ask what is relevant but anything beyond that is dangerous. He is a liar. The shill is a liar. He will lie to confuse us. But he will also mix lies with the truth to attack us. The attack is psychological, and powerful. So don't listen to him. Remember that - do not listen. " |
Willy
01.08.2008, 05:24
@ rev
|
BICKERING vs RESEARCHING |
» Last time I checked this section was still called "Hair Multiplication &
» Research". I didn't get any newsletters indicating it is was getting
» renamed to the "McDonald's Playground". However, if you promise to absorb
» the points in the next paragraph than I promise to buy you (and the rest of
» the kids that come here) a happy meal.
»
» 01) Drugs are resurrected/ re-purposed on a daily basis (both safely and
» successfully)
» 02) This is a RESEARCH forum where people RESEARCH all possibilities.
» 03) The time we spend bickering takes time away from RESEARCHING
» solutions.
»
»
»
»
»
» .
A few forum members come here for the attention that they must be lacking at home. It's obvious. They are here to antagonize others with the hopes of gaining responses (and attention) from those people. I rarely respond to them because it just adds fuel to their fire and also because their arguements are usually just plain stupid. They are not worth my time or the time of the other members of the forum. They are like small children....if you ignore them long enough, hopefully they will go away.
Reguardless, Acell is in the hands of doctors now. It may or may not work. I am making no promises but it's the first real hope that we've had in several years. I can't imagine what these other members want. Do they really think that this product should not even be tried for hairloss? Any new product will be exactly that.......new. It will pose many of the same risks / concerns as Acell. (Somebody had to try the first parachute).
I can't even imagine why these "negative" posters come here. They ridicule every potential product that comes to market. They say it in a way that actually sounds like they want these products to fail. Why would they come to a research forum about hairloss and act this way? I think it's because they must lead a pathetic existence. They must have nothing better to do with their time and , as previously stated, lack attention in the "real" world. If they came here and posed legitimate issues and questions, I wouldn't feel this way, but that is not the case. They do nothing but "cheerlead" against any potential advancements in the field.
The only reason that I can come up with for the attitudes of some of the members of this forum is that fact that they realize that getting their hair back will not have an impact on their lives. The were most likely losers before they ever started losing their hair and will continue to be losers if they ever get their hair back and we all know...misery loves company.
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Sceptic
01.08.2008, 05:59
@ rev
|
BICKERING vs RESEARCHING |
» Last time I checked this section was still called "Hair Multiplication &
» Research". I didn't get any newsletters indicating it is was getting
» renamed to the "McDonald's Playground". However, if you promise to absorb
» the points in the next paragraph than I promise to buy you (and the rest of
» the kids that come here) a happy meal.
»
» 01) Drugs are resurrected/ re-purposed on a daily basis (both safely and
» successfully)
» 02) This is a RESEARCH forum where people RESEARCH all possibilities.
But I think Acell is NOT a possibility, do you get it ? and I will say it again, if someone feel disturbed about it, like that moron who says that proscar is indicated for cancer prostate, then I'm so sorry that I can cry.
» 03) The time we spend bickering takes time away from RESEARCHING
» solutions.
this is not a perfect world, and by the way : acell suckssssssss 
Now, my happy meal please 
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Sceptic
01.08.2008, 06:09
@ Sceptic
|
BICKERING vs RESEARCHING |
» » Last time I checked this section was still called "Hair Multiplication &
» » Research". I didn't get any newsletters indicating it is was getting
» » renamed to the "McDonald's Playground". However, if you promise to
» absorb
» » the points in the next paragraph than I promise to buy you (and the rest
» of
» » the kids that come here) a happy meal.
» »
» » 01) Drugs are resurrected/ re-purposed on a daily basis (both safely
» and
» » successfully)
» » 02) This is a RESEARCH forum where people RESEARCH all possibilities.
»
» But I think Acell is NOT a possibility, do you get it ? and I will say it
» again, if someone feel disturbed about it, like that moron who says that
» proscar is indicated for cancer prostate, then I'm so sorry that I can
» cry.
BTW, rev, I have never said that acell should not be discussed here, because some people ( like you I guess ) don't agree with me and think that is a real possibility, but why can't I say that I don't see how Acell will help us ? tell me why
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rev
your nightmares,
01.08.2008, 06:13
@ Sceptic
|
READ THIS !!!! |
» I think Acell is NOT a possibility, do you get it ? and I will say it
» again, if someone feel disturbed about it, like that moron who says that
» proscar is indicated for cancer prostate, then I'm so sorry that I can
» cry.
Propecia came out in the 1980’s as a treatment for an enlarged prostate. It was re-purposed for hairloss in the mid 90's. In other words it took roughly 15 years for an already existing drug to be used for hairloss... all the while poor saps were getting scalp reductions and punch transplants when a perfectly good drug was well within their reach.
Willy decided to take the initiative with Acell, because he (and many of us) don't want to wait another 15 years to prove or disprove another product. If you feel obliged to call him a moron for contributing to the research forum while you're busy sapping our energy than I feel obliged to call you a hypocrite.
.
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"Especially important is the warning to avoid conversations with the shill. We may ask what is relevant but anything beyond that is dangerous. He is a liar. The shill is a liar. He will lie to confuse us. But he will also mix lies with the truth to attack us. The attack is psychological, and powerful. So don't listen to him. Remember that - do not listen. " |
Willy
01.08.2008, 06:23
@ rev
|
READ THIS !!!! |
» » I think Acell is NOT a possibility, do you get it ? and I will say it
» » again, if someone feel disturbed about it, like that moron who says
» that
» » proscar is indicated for cancer prostate, then I'm so sorry that I can
» » cry.
»
» Propecia came out in the 1980’s as a treatment for an enlarged prostate.
» It was re-purposed for hairloss in the mid 90's. In other words it took
» roughly 15 years for an already existing drug to be used for
» hairloss... all the while poor saps were getting scalp reductions and
» punch transplants when a perfectly good drug was well within their reach.
»
» Not wanting to wait 15 years to prove or disprove Acell, Willy decided to
» take the initiative. If you feel obliged to call him a moron than I feel
» obliged to call you a hypocrite.
»
»
»
» .
Rev,
Thanks for the defense but it's really not even necessary. As I said, I rarely respond to this idiot's posts because thats exactly what he wants. The guy can barely speak english (proscar is indicated for cancer prostate??).
As far as calling me a moron because I said that proscar was used for prostate cancer (instead of an enlarged prostate), it's the same point. He's trying to get me on a technicallity. The point is, the drug wasn't developed for hairloss, but was found to benefit people suffering from hairloss.
Take Care,
Bill
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LatinLover
01.08.2008, 06:37
@ Willy
|
Thanks Willy |
Whatever the results from Acell, for all the work done to contact doctors etc: Vielen Dank!
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Max
01.08.2008, 06:46
@ LatinLover
|
Thanks Willy |
» Whatever the results from Acell, for all the work done to contact doctors
» etc: Vielen Dank!
Are you German?
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Sceptic
01.08.2008, 07:24
@ rev
|
READ THIS !!!! |
» » I think Acell is NOT a possibility, do you get it ? and I will say it
» » again, if someone feel disturbed about it, like that moron who says
» that
» » proscar is indicated for cancer prostate, then I'm so sorry that I can
» » cry.
»
» Propecia came out in the 1980’s as a treatment for an enlarged prostate.
» It was re-purposed for hairloss in the mid
» 90's. In other words it took roughly 15 years for an already existing
» drug to be used for hairloss... all the while poor saps were getting
» scalp reductions and punch transplants when a perfectly good drug was well
» within their reach.
»
» Willy decided to take the initiative with Acell, because he (and many of
» us) don't want to wait another 15 years to prove or disprove another
» product. If you feel obliged to call him a moron for contributing to the
» research forum while you're busy sapping our energy than I feel obliged to
» call you a hypocrite.
Well, rev, I guess you don't know it, but I never said anything about that guy and never talked to him UNTIL he became very aggressive to me, I don't know why, maybe his hairloss is driving him mad and he is having a really bad time. The fact that you take some initiaitves, like you say, doesn't give you the right to get mad at someone just because he thinks that acell is a joke ( for hairloss ). Anyway, I hope that he gets better soon, it's very inconvenient.
But you can always call me an hypocrite if you like it and that makes you feel better.
On the subject, I think that Acell is just to make some time until we recieve some news about all the follica trials, follica may be interesting but I hope that it's something more than abrasion + egf inhibition, I'm almost sure that's the case, but of course they are not going to tell us. And then, we have HM, maybe some day ...
And sorry for my english, it's my third language and it's rather limited, I tend to write as simple as I can but I'm not always able to express what I want to say.
p.s : it's not incompatible to be a moron and have some initiatives, it happens all the time, but it can be dangerous 
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Sceptic
01.08.2008, 07:27
@ z22
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Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
» Next, may I ask, is scientifically 'pointless' negativity any worse than
» scientifically pointless positivity? You are attacking somebody because he
» posts negatively, based on the fact that he doesn't know any more than
» anyone else. This may be true, but would the same not hold for all those
» who post in favor of Acell? They don't know more than anyone either; why
» are their posts acceptable? I'm here to try to get a feeling on what's
» happening in the hairloss world; I'm certainly not interested in having my
» hopes artificially brought up because some people are offended by others
» posting contrary points of view.
Thanks for expressing the things I'd like to say, my english doesn't let me do it the way I'd like
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nidhiguptaksi
01.08.2008, 07:43
@ HairSite
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Dr. Jones will be using Acell's ECM products for strip scars repair |
» Nice Post
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Dev
01.08.2008, 11:56
@ HairSite
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How much time??? |
How long does Dr. Jones or acell think they will be able to tell that hair does or does not grow in strip scars.
I agree with some of the posters. Acell should know whether the regenerated skin in humans grew with or without hair.
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