Hair Loss

nemo.shark 11.07.2012, 18:59	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay? (Hair Regrowth Research & Clinical Trials)
	im not bald my hair is only thinning slightly in the hair line, but to get my previous density back would probably still take anything up to 10 injections over a six to 12 month period. i reckon cost of this will still be somewhere comparable to a current hair transplant cost when this stuff becomes available, and it will be available within the next 4-5 years in my estimation. id be willing to pay a few thousand for this, thats in GBP ££££ not dollars $$$$. but what about you? nemo.shark is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
ccmethinning 11.07.2012, 21:02 @ nemo.shark	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	$3500 ccmethinning is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Freddie555 11.07.2012, 23:53 @ ccmethinning	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	lets see it work first nothing ever does Freddie555 is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- "When true Hair Multiplication comes, it will arise out of the East." - John The Revelator, Feb. 18, 2001 Post reply
Baldiskindacool 12.07.2012, 04:44 @ nemo.shark	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» im not bald my hair is only thinning slightly in the hair line, but to get » my previous density back would probably still take anything up to 10 » injections over a six to 12 month period. » » i reckon cost of this will still be somewhere comparable to a current hair » transplant cost when this stuff becomes available, and it will be available » within the next 4-5 years in my estimation. » » id be willing to pay a few thousand for this, thats in GBP ££££ not dollars » $$$$. » » but what about you? Wouldn't that all depend on the effects of Histogen injections? Assuming there's no side effects, here's my pricing for the WHOLE treatment (not per injection) nw6 to nw5: 1000$ nw6 to nw4: 2000$ nw6 to nw3: 5000$ nw6 to nw2: 10000$ nw6 to nw1: 20000$ My prices assume that after one treatment your hair is good for 10 years at least. If it's permanent, double that amount. But I just realized this is not what I will pay, it's what a good pricing should be. I would probably pay twice as much (so yes, if they can give me all my hair back permanently I would pay 80 grand) but I'm rich. Baldiskindacool is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
hairman2 12.07.2012, 06:28 @ nemo.shark	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» im not bald my hair is only thinning slightly in the hair line, but to get » my previous density back would probably still take anything up to 10 » injections over a six to 12 month period. » » i reckon cost of this will still be somewhere comparable to a current hair » transplant cost when this stuff becomes available, and it will be available » within the next 4-5 years in my estimation. » » id be willing to pay a few thousand for this, thats in GBP ££££ not dollars » $$$$. » » but what about you? 278.34 USD ... .oO(what a stupid topic) hairman2 is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
action_reaction 12.07.2012, 14:47 @ Baldiskindacool	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» My prices assume that after one treatment your hair is good for 10 years at » least. If it's permanent, double that amount. very unlikely.... 2 years MAX action_reaction is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Baldiskindacool 12.07.2012, 15:00 @ action_reaction	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» » My prices assume that after one treatment your hair is good for 10 years » at » » least. If it's permanent, double that amount. » » very unlikely.... 2 years MAX what do you think action? they give you one single injection and your hair grows back and after 2 years is already falling off or 2 years for what? I think it'll just be an injection every 6 months or so, forever, or for like 6 years before the hair is permanent. Kinda like hair removal, it takes lots of repetitions (and time) before every single hair "understands" what's going on. Baldiskindacool is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
action_reaction 12.07.2012, 16:14 @ Baldiskindacool	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» what do you think action? » they give you one single injection and your hair grows back and after 2 » years is already falling off or 2 years for what? » » I think it'll just be an injection every 6 months or so, forever, or for » like 6 years before the hair is permanent. Kinda like hair removal, it » takes lots of repetitions (and time) before every single hair "understands" » what's going on. http://www.jci.org/articles/view/44478#SEC3 compare that to what Histogen is doing action_reaction is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
roger_that JAMAICA, 12.07.2012, 18:30 @ nemo.shark	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	A cool mill, baby!!! roger_that is located in JAMAICA and he is available to meet: YES email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting. Post reply
nemo.shark 12.07.2012, 18:35 @ action_reaction	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	Read this pdf on the histogen sight, it will give you an idea of how effective it currently is and how many injections you will need. http://histogen.com/downloads/sid_2012_HSC_Final.pdf we know it works, but yeah we dont know if the results are going to be permanent as of yet because only time will tel that, however the results are long lasting, from a single injection there was continued improvement after 1 year. i think possibly a single maintenance injection/treatment will be required every few years though, as to maintain the results. i dont think this is a dumb topic, this stuff is going to KO the ht industry when its available to all. and not everyone who is bald or who is loosing their hair is wealthy, so they should not be looking to price people out of the treatment, if they want to make money that is. nemo.shark is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
action_reaction 12.07.2012, 19:38 @ nemo.shark	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» we know it works, but yeah we dont know if the results are going to be » permanent as of yet because only time will tel that ........ » i think possibly a single maintenance injection/treatment will be required » every few years though, as to maintain the results. ^ that's the most important question at the moment. If hairs don't last then I'm not interested. I'm sure vast majority of men with hair loss wouldn't be interested in paying thousands of dollars for thousands of tiny injections just to continually "stimulate" your hair for a couple years or so action_reaction is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Ahab 12.07.2012, 22:43 @ action_reaction	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» If hairs don't last then I'm not interested. I'm sure vast majority of men » with hair loss wouldn't be interested in paying thousands of dollars for » thousands of tiny injections just to continually "stimulate" your hair for » a couple years or so If the hair only lasted two years, I'd still pay thousands. Ahab is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Freddie555 13.07.2012, 02:01 @ Ahab	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	I wish HSC would try dutasteride + their treatment. Unless DHT is shut down, I can't see how any treatment will work let alone persist. DHT is a killer. Freddie555 is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- "When true Hair Multiplication comes, it will arise out of the East." - John The Revelator, Feb. 18, 2001 Post reply
Baldiskindacool 13.07.2012, 02:54 @ Ahab	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» » If hairs don't last then I'm not interested. I'm sure vast majority of » men » » with hair loss wouldn't be interested in paying thousands of dollars for » » thousands of tiny injections just to continually "stimulate" your hair » for » » a couple years or so » » If the hair only lasted two years, I'd still pay thousands. Two years? Honestly, if it costs 2000$ a pop, and lasts 6 months, and every 6 months you have to get injected, but there are no side effects and your hair grows back, it will be what we've been waiting for and will sell like crazy. Do you people know how much is any cosmetic treatment nowadays? That would be nothing! I'm afraid it would be more like 5000$ in the beginning, that's 10k a year. And it would still sell like crazy. Baldiskindacool is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
nemo.shark 13.07.2012, 13:10 @ Baldiskindacool	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	its likely that hsc is reprogramming hair stem cells expression to mimic the dht resistant hair on the back and sides of the head, or reprogramming expression to that of a younger state which probably goes hand in hand with dht resistance, at least for a half decade or so if not indefinitely. once reprogrammed just like cancer cells its likely to be a permanent change that would need more than the presence of dht to counter act. if it was me looking in to this as a scientist, i would look to cultivate cells from the scalp that are already genetically resistant to dht, ie the hair from the back and sides of the scalp which dont go bald, and find out what signaling factors/proteins they express which are different to the ones that do go bald, then use high pressure or performance liquid chromatography to separate the proteins and test for them one by one, they may have taken this approach and that is how they have found out some or which particular proteins are related to hair growth. nemo.shark is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
nemo.shark 13.07.2012, 13:13 @ nemo.shark	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	ps, hsc works they have published their results, and in humans not mice and it works in humans. any doubters that it does not work are making an accusation that histogen are participating in an illegal enterprise. nemo.shark is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
nemo.shark 13.07.2012, 13:16 @ roger_that	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» A cool mill, baby!!! A men. nemo.shark is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
action_reaction 13.07.2012, 14:53 @ Baldiskindacool	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» I'm afraid it would be more like 5000$ in the beginning, that's 10k a year. » And it would still sell like crazy. you're insane.... average salary for someone from a developed world is 30K a year. How many people do you think will want to spend a third of their earnings to get some TEMPORARY HAIR? VERY FEW if it's a truly "cosmetic" procedure(temporary) then why the hell do they go through all those 3 phases? You don't need to do that action_reaction is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
action_reaction 13.07.2012, 14:58 @ nemo.shark	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» its likely that hsc is reprogramming hair stem cells expression to mimic » the dht resistant hair on the back and sides of the head, or reprogramming » expression to that of a younger state which probably goes hand in hand with » dht resistance, at least for a half decade or so if not indefinitely. you're insane. That is not happening I'm 100% sure. HSC are just simple growth factors. I don't even care about DHT resistance. If HSC actually REVERSED MPB and make the hair last as many years as it took for them to fall out, then you could just use DHT blockers or some nizoral and prevent DHT effects for the next 10+ years. action_reaction is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
nemo.shark 13.07.2012, 16:17 @ action_reaction	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» » its likely that hsc is reprogramming hair stem cells expression to mimic » » the dht resistant hair on the back and sides of the head, or » reprogramming » » expression to that of a younger state which probably goes hand in hand » with » » dht resistance, at least for a half decade or so if not indefinitely. » » you're insane. That is not happening I'm 100% sure. HSC are just simple » growth factors. » » » I don't even care about DHT resistance. If HSC actually REVERSED MPB and » make the hair last as many years as it took for them to fall out, then you » could just use DHT blockers or some nizoral and prevent DHT effects for the » next 10+ years. not insane, it works in mpb areas so its over coming the effects of dht in areas that have already been effected by the negative effects of dht. its reprogramming the genetic expression of the cells. fact! in any case who wants to be feminized by life long dht treatment when there is another option that by passes that pathway and its associated side effects , when there is an alternative that is side effect free? nemo.shark is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
moawk Germany, 13.07.2012, 16:21 @ nemo.shark	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	Him, he takes propecia for breakfast. moawk is located in GERMANY and he is available to meet: NO --- 1. Predicted the failure of replicel, months in advance. 2. Predicted how their stock would rise/drop even with exact numbers. 3. Predicted the wild claims and crazyness that gc83uk's donor regeneration will cause among the HT industry during this summer. Including rassman's opinion, Dr. Woods special patients and Pro hair clinic photos. 4. Predicted Gho will open up a clinic in asia. 5. No prediction on Histogen. Looks promising if they didn't fake results. 6. Predicted the only viable HM technique other than Gho would surface when hairs are: "generated through the appropriate cell populations" -Team Tokyo 2012 - Moawk Advice for patients: If you are considering a hair transplant, only consider Gho's HST and nothing else. First HT treatment in the world that offers: zero scarring, small downtime and donor regrowth. http://www.hasci.com Advice for Investors in HM: Invest in Team Tokyo. http://www.tsuji-lab.com/en/research/organ/hair.html Ditch replicel, aderans. They are done for and have no future. Post reply
moawk Germany, 13.07.2012, 16:23 @ moawk	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	I would pay 10k for histogen, as long as it lasts more than a year. Otherwise, just ghot it up. moawk is located in GERMANY and he is available to meet: NO --- 1. Predicted the failure of replicel, months in advance. 2. Predicted how their stock would rise/drop even with exact numbers. 3. Predicted the wild claims and crazyness that gc83uk's donor regeneration will cause among the HT industry during this summer. Including rassman's opinion, Dr. Woods special patients and Pro hair clinic photos. 4. Predicted Gho will open up a clinic in asia. 5. No prediction on Histogen. Looks promising if they didn't fake results. 6. Predicted the only viable HM technique other than Gho would surface when hairs are: "generated through the appropriate cell populations" -Team Tokyo 2012 - Moawk Advice for patients: If you are considering a hair transplant, only consider Gho's HST and nothing else. First HT treatment in the world that offers: zero scarring, small downtime and donor regrowth. http://www.hasci.com Advice for Investors in HM: Invest in Team Tokyo. http://www.tsuji-lab.com/en/research/organ/hair.html Ditch replicel, aderans. They are done for and have no future. Post reply
action_reaction 13.07.2012, 16:39 @ nemo.shark	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» not insane, it works in mpb areas so its over coming the effects of dht in » areas that have already been effected by the negative effects of dht. ^ this doesn't mean anything. HSC simply stimulates new hair but the question is it TRULY reversing DHT damage or just providing growth factors for another hair cycle which your body tends to do naturally anyways » its reprogramming the genetic expression of the cells. fact! if you prove that fact then I will leave this forum forever and send you all my money. » in any case who wants to be feminized by life long dht treatment when there » is another option that by passes that pathway and its associated side » effects , when there is an alternative that is side effect free? I didn't say you would have to use Propecia. Nizoral and some other topical DHT blockers would help your new hair from HSC hold on for at least another 5 years or so depending on how aggressive is your MPB. If your MPB started at 18 and it wasn't noticeable until 25, then that's SEVEN years! action_reaction is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
action_reaction 13.07.2012, 16:41 @ moawk	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» I would pay 10k for histogen, as long as it lasts more than a year. » Otherwise, just ghot it up. yeah that's just you. As I said, average salary for someone in a developed world is about ~$30,000. How many people do you think will pay A THIRD OF THAT MONEY EVERY SINGLE YEAR for some temporary hair that will fall out in 2-3 years? action_reaction is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
moawk Germany, 13.07.2012, 16:47 @ action_reaction	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» » I would pay 10k for histogen, as long as it lasts more than a year. » » Otherwise, just ghot it up. » » yeah that's just you. As I said, average salary for someone in a developed » world is about ~$30,000. How many people do you think will pay A THIRD OF » THAT MONEY EVERY SINGLE YEAR for some temporary hair that will fall out in » 2-3 years? Bald men need to find a better job then. For bald men, having hair and being happy is not cheap and shouldn't be . You say you wouldn't pay or bother with this treatments because all you're looking for is a permanent solution that will stop MPB dead on its tracks or give you a norwood 0 hairline most likely because again you're NOT a bald guy. You're just a guy on propecia who wants to drop it ! You have a full head of hair, stop wasting your time in these forums and live your life ! Also, you have to understand and the entire forum here understands that a permanent solution will never happen in our lifetimes. Whatever buys some time and doesn't matter how much expensive it is, we will go for it because we are BALD MEN. We know the pain, we've been there ! Once you experience that then you will understand. As for now, you need to get the fuk out of these forums and enjoy whatever time you have left. I say this for your own good. moawk is located in GERMANY and he is available to meet: NO --- 1. Predicted the failure of replicel, months in advance. 2. Predicted how their stock would rise/drop even with exact numbers. 3. Predicted the wild claims and crazyness that gc83uk's donor regeneration will cause among the HT industry during this summer. Including rassman's opinion, Dr. Woods special patients and Pro hair clinic photos. 4. Predicted Gho will open up a clinic in asia. 5. No prediction on Histogen. Looks promising if they didn't fake results. 6. Predicted the only viable HM technique other than Gho would surface when hairs are: "generated through the appropriate cell populations" -Team Tokyo 2012 - Moawk Advice for patients: If you are considering a hair transplant, only consider Gho's HST and nothing else. First HT treatment in the world that offers: zero scarring, small downtime and donor regrowth. http://www.hasci.com Advice for Investors in HM: Invest in Team Tokyo. http://www.tsuji-lab.com/en/research/organ/hair.html Ditch replicel, aderans. They are done for and have no future. Post reply
action_reaction 13.07.2012, 17:09 @ moawk	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» Bald men need to find a better job then. For bald men, having hair and » being happy is not cheap and shouldn't be . lol wasn't my point. You said that millions of people will be rushing to get this treatment even though most of them don't have that kind of money nor are they interested in temporary improvement. » You say you wouldn't pay or bother with this treatments because all you're » looking for is a permanent solution that will stop MPB dead on its tracks » or give you a norwood 0 hairline most likely because again you're » NOT a bald guy. You're just a guy on propecia who wants to » drop it ! You have a full head of hair, stop wasting your time in these » forums and live your life ! what are you talking about I'm not even on Propecia where are you getting this info. I'm not looking for a PERMANENT solution. I understand that the DHT is still there and overtime it will cause hair thinning again but what I want is for Histogen to TRULY REVERSE MPB without their growth factors wearing off. Here is a question for you: HSC gives you a full head of hair. Then you get castrated. Will the new HSC hair ever fall off? yes or no? » Also, you have to understand and the entire forum here understands that a » permanent solution will never happen in our lifetimes. Whatever buys some » time and doesn't matter how much expensive it is, we will go for it because » we are BALD MEN. We know the pain, we've been there ! read above » As for now, you need to get the fuk out of these forums and enjoy whatever » time you have left. » » I say this for your own good. what are you talking about? I work from home and it takes me 4 seconds to check for new posts. I'm making money this very second action_reaction is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
moawk Germany, 13.07.2012, 17:19 @ action_reaction	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	2020, you have to understand DHT is not the entire part of the equation. It does activate the gene for hairloss, that gene or mechanism which is activated produces entirely something else proteins,pathways or aga tissue that kills the hair follicles whatever you want to call it to stop producing hair. It's like this: DHT--->X--->Y--->Z---->G---->PGD2--->PG2--->FILL IN WHATEVER A RAT LAB TELLS YOU---->HAIR THINNING. Stop or prevent any of the above and that will become a treatment for hair loss, in fact that's what treatments have been doing for the past 10 years. There is a LOT OF STUFF you and I don't know. You're obsessed with DHT. DHT activated the gene, cutting your balls off will not cure your hair loss. Even if you drop your DHT to 0, your testosterone still triggers this gene once it has been "activated". It's not all about DHT. moawk is located in GERMANY and he is available to meet: NO --- 1. Predicted the failure of replicel, months in advance. 2. Predicted how their stock would rise/drop even with exact numbers. 3. Predicted the wild claims and crazyness that gc83uk's donor regeneration will cause among the HT industry during this summer. Including rassman's opinion, Dr. Woods special patients and Pro hair clinic photos. 4. Predicted Gho will open up a clinic in asia. 5. No prediction on Histogen. Looks promising if they didn't fake results. 6. Predicted the only viable HM technique other than Gho would surface when hairs are: "generated through the appropriate cell populations" -Team Tokyo 2012 - Moawk Advice for patients: If you are considering a hair transplant, only consider Gho's HST and nothing else. First HT treatment in the world that offers: zero scarring, small downtime and donor regrowth. http://www.hasci.com Advice for Investors in HM: Invest in Team Tokyo. http://www.tsuji-lab.com/en/research/organ/hair.html Ditch replicel, aderans. They are done for and have no future. Post reply
action_reaction 13.07.2012, 17:42 @ moawk	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» DHT activated the gene, cutting your balls off will not cure your hair » loss. Even if you drop your DHT to 0, your testosterone still triggers this » gene once it has been "activated". so those castrated people that have been castrated IN THE MIDDLE OF THEIR BALDING PROCESS? what about them? They didn't lose any further hair nor did they regrow anything in the bald spots. Testosterone DIRECTLY has no affect on AGA. We know that castration HALTS BALDNESS PERMANENTLY 100%. That's a fact. answer my question: after HSC gives you a full head of hair again and after than you castrate yourself, will that new HSC hair stay there forever? yes or no? » It's not all about DHT. actually it is. Blocking DHT will prevent baldness 100% action_reaction is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
moawk Germany, 13.07.2012, 18:01 @ action_reaction	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	Nothing can stop baldness it may slow it down significantly that it may appear "stopped" but the gene is still activated. Testosterone does cause hairloss. Castrated people who have been castrated BEFORE MPB started will never suffer MPB. Castrated people who have been castrated AFTER MPB will slow their baldness significantly just like propecia does. Besides cutting DHT from your body is a big mistake, DHT does much more stuff than making you bald. It's not just body hair and hair loss. You have to be careful with that. Histogen is just a super minox, that's all and will probably last longer than that. Cutting off DHT will help histogen most likely but understand MPB cannot be cured. moawk is located in GERMANY and he is available to meet: NO --- 1. Predicted the failure of replicel, months in advance. 2. Predicted how their stock would rise/drop even with exact numbers. 3. Predicted the wild claims and crazyness that gc83uk's donor regeneration will cause among the HT industry during this summer. Including rassman's opinion, Dr. Woods special patients and Pro hair clinic photos. 4. Predicted Gho will open up a clinic in asia. 5. No prediction on Histogen. Looks promising if they didn't fake results. 6. Predicted the only viable HM technique other than Gho would surface when hairs are: "generated through the appropriate cell populations" -Team Tokyo 2012 - Moawk Advice for patients: If you are considering a hair transplant, only consider Gho's HST and nothing else. First HT treatment in the world that offers: zero scarring, small downtime and donor regrowth. http://www.hasci.com Advice for Investors in HM: Invest in Team Tokyo. http://www.tsuji-lab.com/en/research/organ/hair.html Ditch replicel, aderans. They are done for and have no future. Post reply
action_reaction 13.07.2012, 18:33 @ moawk	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» Nothing can stop baldness it may slow it down significantly that it may » appear "stopped" but the gene is still activated. false. Where do you come up with this "gene activation"? Follicles are sensitive to DHT it's just that. » Testosterone does cause hairloss. false again. That study about people with 5AR deficiency prove that T directly have nothing to do with hair loss. » Castrated people who have been castrated BEFORE MPB started will never » suffer MPB. yes » Castrated people who have been castrated AFTER MPB will slow their baldness » significantly just like propecia does. tons of men get castrated during the treatment of prostate cancer. so if I were to post a study where they castrated people in their midst of their MPB and found out that these people experienced NO FURTHER LOSS. What then? » Besides cutting DHT from your body is a big mistake, DHT does much more » stuff than making you bald. It's not just body hair and hair loss. You have » to be careful with that. oh shut up. If you have excessive body hair you have plenty of active DHT floating around. You know so little wow and you have 500 posts? I'm not talking about reducing your DHT by 100% or even 70% which propecia does. DIRECTLY INHIBITING ~50% of DHT would be more than enough given that you also avoid upregulation » Histogen is just a super minox, that's all and will probably last longer » than that. Cutting off DHT will help histogen most likely but understand » MPB cannot be cured. and that's my question: does HSC ACTUALLY REVERSE MPB and all of DHT damage from within the past 10 years or so or does it just STIMULATE your hair for one more hair cycle? I'm not talking about a cure but if Histogen were to VIRTUALLY REVERSE MPB even without addressing follicle sensitivity to DHT problem with each injection then that's almost as good as a cure action_reaction is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
nemo.shark 13.07.2012, 19:26 @ action_reaction	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» » not insane, it works in mpb areas so its over coming the effects of dht » in » » areas that have already been effected by the negative effects of dht. » » ^ this doesn't mean anything. HSC simply stimulates new hair but the » question is it TRULY reversing DHT damage or just providing growth factors » for another hair cycle which your body tends to do naturally anyways » » » its reprogramming the genetic expression of the cells. fact! » » if you prove that fact then I will leave this forum forever and send you » all my money i dont need to prove it its already well excepted that this is the case, did you always look like you have now? the answer is no! whys that then? well its genetic expression which is primarily influenced by permanent changes in genetic expression through cell to cell signaling cascades produced by hormones which in turn alters expression of signaling proteins that genes emit. hsc's results carried on improving after the first 12 months from the initial treatment and that by any definition is a permanent change in expression, you harping on about hsc being only growth factors is dumb because growth factors are what produce permanent changes in cell expression. how much money have you got? nemo.shark is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
action_reaction 13.07.2012, 19:42 @ nemo.shark	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» hsc's results carried on improving after the first 12 months from the » initial treatment and that by any definition is a permanent change in » expression, you harping on about hsc being only growth factors is dumb » because growth factors are what produce permanent changes in cell » expression. .... results from steroids and HGH don't last now don't they? 12 months is nothing. One anagen phase can last up to THREE years although it will definitely be less for those with MPB. The fact is that your body produces those growth factors every day and the problem is that in MPB people it stops. HSC can "emulate" what the body is doing but the effect won't be permanent as your body will need more and more of these growth factors. » how much money have you got? 1 million internet dollars action_reaction is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
nemo.shark 13.07.2012, 20:03 @ action_reaction	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» » hsc's results carried on improving after the first 12 months from the » » initial treatment and that by any definition is a permanent change in » » expression, you harping on about hsc being only growth factors is dumb » » because growth factors are what produce permanent changes in cell » » expression. » » .... results from steroids and HGH don't last now don't they? oh no results from HGH and steroids dont last you're totally right, you try telling that to people who have had or are born with pituitary tumors who suffer from acromegaly and then had them surgically removed. yeah thats right they shrink right back to a normal height dont they and their facial features return to normal. yeah and im sure body builders who take steroids would look like they do after decades of cessation if they had never taken steroids and their heart muscles which have enlarged shrink right back down to normal dont they.. and you would turn right back in to a little boy if your testicles are removed wouldn't you? nemo.shark is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
action_reaction 13.07.2012, 20:15 @ nemo.shark	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» oh no results from HGH and steroids dont last you're totally right, you try » telling that to people who have had or are born with pituitary tumors who » suffer from acromegaly and then had them surgically removed. yeah thats » right they shrink right back to a normal height dont they and their facial » features return to normal. » » yeah and im sure body builders who take steroids would look like they do » after decades of cessation if they had never taken steroids and their heart » muscles which have enlarged shrink right back down to normal dont they.. » » and you would turn right back in to a little boy if your testicles are » removed wouldn't you? the most irrelevant examples ever. Back to my question: what makes you think HSC permanently REVERSES MPB damage and restores your complete hair state to what it was 10-20 years ago? action_reaction is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Ahab 13.07.2012, 20:47 @ Baldiskindacool	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» I'm afraid it would be more like 5000$ in the beginning, that's 10k a year. » And it would still sell like crazy. And I'd be very glad to pay that or even much more a year to get back even half my hair. Ahab is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
moawk Germany, 13.07.2012, 20:52 @ action_reaction	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» false. Where do you come up with this "gene activation"? Follicles are » sensitive to DHT it's just that. No, we started losing our hair later in life and DHT has been the same since adolescence or even higher back then. false again. That study about people with 5AR deficiency prove that T directly have nothing to do with hair loss. You're talking about castrated people BEFORE their gene was expressed. Testosterone does almost NOTHING to hair, but it does cause hair loss and some say it is more potent at the hairline. Who knows? But testosterone is the same as DHT, just less potent. Wether or not that is enough to make your follicles miniaturize depend on every person. » » Castrated people who have been castrated BEFORE MPB started will never » » suffer MPB. » » yes » » » Castrated people who have been castrated AFTER MPB will slow their » baldness » » significantly just like propecia does. Castration will not STOP your hairloss 100%. For some it will, for some other it won't. Some just have agressive MPB even testosterone fuks up their follicles, this is why you get people with insane forever lasting shedding. » » » oh shut up. If you have excessive body hair you have plenty of active DHT » floating around. You know so little wow and you have 500 posts? Your head revolves too much around DHT. Excessive DHT does not mean you will have body hair. Some twins do not have the same amount of body hair despite having same DHT levels. It's just that the gene is expressed for one and not the other. Having high DHT does influence your hairloss but it is not correlated to a lot of body hair. Some may a need a little to look like gorillas once their gene is expressed. » I'm not talking about reducing your DHT by 100% or even 70% which propecia » does. DIRECTLY INHIBITING ~50% of DHT would be more than enough given that » you also avoid upregulation It depends 2020, it depends. Everybody is the same. Not everyone suffers from sides. Some people do need their DHT at 100%. Yes inhibiting it below 50% may work for a lot but not everyone. » and that's my question: does HSC ACTUALLY REVERSE MPB and all of DHT damage » from within the past 10 years or so or does it just STIMULATE your hair for » one more hair cycle? Who cares if it reverses as long as it grows hair. what DHT damage? You mean make it pre-MPB? That's impossible but it will estimualte the follicle to grow hair which DHT is preventing. It's just a super minox, Nothing will reverse MPB pre-gene activation that is really a pipe-dream that only God can do. Anyways i think you have a lot of stuff confused and that you are not aware of. You need to research hard and read carefully. moawk is located in GERMANY and he is available to meet: NO --- 1. Predicted the failure of replicel, months in advance. 2. Predicted how their stock would rise/drop even with exact numbers. 3. Predicted the wild claims and crazyness that gc83uk's donor regeneration will cause among the HT industry during this summer. Including rassman's opinion, Dr. Woods special patients and Pro hair clinic photos. 4. Predicted Gho will open up a clinic in asia. 5. No prediction on Histogen. Looks promising if they didn't fake results. 6. Predicted the only viable HM technique other than Gho would surface when hairs are: "generated through the appropriate cell populations" -Team Tokyo 2012 - Moawk Advice for patients: If you are considering a hair transplant, only consider Gho's HST and nothing else. First HT treatment in the world that offers: zero scarring, small downtime and donor regrowth. http://www.hasci.com Advice for Investors in HM: Invest in Team Tokyo. http://www.tsuji-lab.com/en/research/organ/hair.html Ditch replicel, aderans. They are done for and have no future. Post reply
action_reaction 13.07.2012, 20:56 @ Ahab	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» And I'd be very glad to pay that or even much more a year to get back even » half my hair. 10K a year? What is your early salary I'm curious action_reaction is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
action_reaction 13.07.2012, 21:06 @ moawk	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» No, we started losing our hair later in life and DHT has been the same » since adolescence or even higher back then. DHT metabolism changes of course low T, high E which is common in older people will make your existing DHT more potent thus if that much were enough to start MPB process depending on your follicle sensitivity, then that's what will happen. » You're talking about castrated people BEFORE their gene was expressed. » Testosterone does almost NOTHING to hair, but it does cause hair loss and » some say it is more potent at the hairline. Who knows? But testosterone is » the same as DHT, just less potent. » Wether or not that is enough to make your follicles miniaturize depend on » every person. no. Testosterone DIRECTLY was found COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT IN ALL ANDROGEN MEDIATED PROBLEMS. If anything, low T would cause more problems than high T. » Castration will not STOP your hairloss 100%. For some it will, for some » other it won't. » Some just have agressive MPB even testosterone fuks up their follicles, » this is why you get people with insane forever lasting shedding. and you base that on the results of 5AR inhibitors(fin+dut) which operate in a dumb way since your body upregulates AR sensitivity through the roof so that's why it doesn't work long term and short term for some people. What if I told you that fin lowers your DHT below castrate levels huh? Explain that. » Your head revolves too much around DHT. Excessive DHT does not mean you » will have body hair. Some twins do not have the same amount of body hair » despite having same DHT levels. It's just that the gene is expressed for » one and not the other. excessive amounts of BIOLOGICALLY ACTIVE DHT will most likely give you tons of body hair. What do you mean I'm obsessed with DHT? DHT is the problem here. What else then T? I just proved that T is not relevant. » It depends 2020, it depends. Everybody is the same. Not everyone suffers » from sides. Some people do need their DHT at 100%. Yes inhibiting it below » 50% may work for a lot but not everyone. not talking about 5AR inhibitors here. Inhibiting 70% of DHT with 5AR inhibitors is not the same as DIRECTLY inhibiting DHT. That 70% might as well be just 20% because of UPREGULATION. Directly inhibiting 50% of DHT would work for 99% of people. » Who cares if it reverses as long as it grows hair. what DHT damage? You » mean make it pre-MPB? That's impossible but it will estimualte the follicle » to grow hair which DHT is preventing. » » It's just a super minox, Why is it so hard to understand my question. Remember the hair you had 10 years ago? Would Histogen be able to reverse MPB so you would have the hair that you had 10 years ago AND would you have another ten years of INJECTION-FREE-TIME before your hair becomes like it is now after those 10 years? » Nothing will reverse MPB pre-gene activation that is really a pipe-dream » that only God can do. no such thing but anyways I don't even care about that. Reverse hair loss that's what I want. » Anyways i think you have a lot of stuff confused and that you are not aware » of. You need to research hard and read carefully. prove me wrong. Do it action_reaction is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
moawk Germany, 13.07.2012, 21:17 @ action_reaction	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	Prove what wrong? How do you know the upregulation depends on the 5ar enzyme alone? It could be just the lack of presence of DHT making your DHT receptors hyper sensitive. We don't know that and I would certainly not like to experiment with that. Stop dreaming 2020. Nothing will bring you back pre-MPB gene activation. Histogen may be a super minox which you may have to apply every once in a while but not reverse the gene activation. moawk is located in GERMANY and he is available to meet: NO --- 1. Predicted the failure of replicel, months in advance. 2. Predicted how their stock would rise/drop even with exact numbers. 3. Predicted the wild claims and crazyness that gc83uk's donor regeneration will cause among the HT industry during this summer. Including rassman's opinion, Dr. Woods special patients and Pro hair clinic photos. 4. Predicted Gho will open up a clinic in asia. 5. No prediction on Histogen. Looks promising if they didn't fake results. 6. Predicted the only viable HM technique other than Gho would surface when hairs are: "generated through the appropriate cell populations" -Team Tokyo 2012 - Moawk Advice for patients: If you are considering a hair transplant, only consider Gho's HST and nothing else. First HT treatment in the world that offers: zero scarring, small downtime and donor regrowth. http://www.hasci.com Advice for Investors in HM: Invest in Team Tokyo. http://www.tsuji-lab.com/en/research/organ/hair.html Ditch replicel, aderans. They are done for and have no future. Post reply
action_reaction 13.07.2012, 21:27 @ moawk	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» How do you know the upregulation depends on the 5ar enzyme alone? » » It could be just the lack of presence of DHT making your DHT receptors » hyper sensitive. We don't know that and I would certainly not like to » experiment with that. because it's been proven: http://www.ehrs.org/conferenceabstracts/2000marburg/guestlectures/s04-sawaya.htm also explains why TEN PERCENT OF PEOPLE FAIL TO HALT BALDNESS WITH PROPECIA DESPITE HAVING DHT LEVELS BELOW CASTRATE LEVELS!!!! » Stop dreaming 2020. Nothing will bring you back pre-MPB gene activation. » Histogen may be a super minox which you may have to apply every once in a » while but not reverse the gene activation. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!! Forget about all those gene activations. PLEASE UNDERSTAND MY QUESTION! finish this sentence: you were NW2 at age 30. You are now 45 with NW4. one session with HSC reversed your hair loss 15 years so now you're NW2 again just like you were at age 30. Now: what norwood will you be at age 60 assuming your hair loss continues at the same speed action_reaction is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
moawk Germany, 13.07.2012, 21:36 @ action_reaction	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	That study is not telling you 5ar is responsible for the upregulation, that's the method their using to lower down DHT levels. It's telling you that reducing DHT results in upregulation, it could not only be that method. And about histogen? How the fuk am I going to answer something I don't know, not even Histogen knows. Ask IronMan, he may know but you will most likely not like his answer . moawk is located in GERMANY and he is available to meet: NO --- 1. Predicted the failure of replicel, months in advance. 2. Predicted how their stock would rise/drop even with exact numbers. 3. Predicted the wild claims and crazyness that gc83uk's donor regeneration will cause among the HT industry during this summer. Including rassman's opinion, Dr. Woods special patients and Pro hair clinic photos. 4. Predicted Gho will open up a clinic in asia. 5. No prediction on Histogen. Looks promising if they didn't fake results. 6. Predicted the only viable HM technique other than Gho would surface when hairs are: "generated through the appropriate cell populations" -Team Tokyo 2012 - Moawk Advice for patients: If you are considering a hair transplant, only consider Gho's HST and nothing else. First HT treatment in the world that offers: zero scarring, small downtime and donor regrowth. http://www.hasci.com Advice for Investors in HM: Invest in Team Tokyo. http://www.tsuji-lab.com/en/research/organ/hair.html Ditch replicel, aderans. They are done for and have no future. Post reply
ccmethinning 13.07.2012, 21:38 @ action_reaction	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	UGH Gho + Tokyo = full head of hair. Lets just forget about all this other nonsense. Your MPB affected follicles are gone, done, finished. HSC will buy guys with early stage pattern baldness some time before they need HST and eventually cloned follicles. No pill, injection (other than HSI), cream, serum, or magic spell will be the longterm solution to MPB. ccmethinning is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
moawk Germany, 13.07.2012, 21:39 @ ccmethinning	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» UGH » » Gho + Tokyo = full head of hair. Lets just forget about all this other » nonsense. Your MPB affected follicles are gone, done, finished. » » HSC will buy guys with early stage pattern baldness some time before they » need HST and eventually cloned follicles. » » No pill, injection (other than HSI), cream, serum, or magic spell will be » the longterm solution to MPB. Exactly. moawk is located in GERMANY and he is available to meet: NO --- 1. Predicted the failure of replicel, months in advance. 2. Predicted how their stock would rise/drop even with exact numbers. 3. Predicted the wild claims and crazyness that gc83uk's donor regeneration will cause among the HT industry during this summer. Including rassman's opinion, Dr. Woods special patients and Pro hair clinic photos. 4. Predicted Gho will open up a clinic in asia. 5. No prediction on Histogen. Looks promising if they didn't fake results. 6. Predicted the only viable HM technique other than Gho would surface when hairs are: "generated through the appropriate cell populations" -Team Tokyo 2012 - Moawk Advice for patients: If you are considering a hair transplant, only consider Gho's HST and nothing else. First HT treatment in the world that offers: zero scarring, small downtime and donor regrowth. http://www.hasci.com Advice for Investors in HM: Invest in Team Tokyo. http://www.tsuji-lab.com/en/research/organ/hair.html Ditch replicel, aderans. They are done for and have no future. Post reply
action_reaction 13.07.2012, 21:58 @ moawk	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» That study is not telling you 5ar is responsible for the upregulation, » that's the method their using to lower down DHT levels. It's telling you » that reducing DHT results in upregulation, it could not only be that » method. it's the 5AR. People with prostate issues have the same problem where it wears off after 5 years » And about histogen? How the fuk am I going to answer something I don't » know, not even Histogen knows. Ask IronMan, he may know but you will most » likely not like his answer . I wanted to know whether you think HSC hair will be permanent assuming androgen problem is taken care of. action_reaction is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
action_reaction 13.07.2012, 21:59 @ ccmethinning	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» Gho + Tokyo = full head of hair. Lets just forget about all this other » nonsense. Your MPB affected follicles are gone, done, finished. most people aren't interested in that. What do you mean by our affected follicles are "gone"? What does this study tell you then: http://www.jci.org/articles/view/44478#SEC3 » HSC will buy guys with early stage pattern baldness some time before they » need HST and eventually cloned follicles. citation needed » No pill, injection (other than HSI), cream, serum, or magic spell will be » the longterm solution to MPB. what do you mean by long term THAT'S my question! WILL THE NEW HAIR LAST FOREVER assuming you take care of the androgens? action_reaction is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
moawk Germany, 13.07.2012, 23:43 @ action_reaction	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	This is what I think about histogen: 1. It will work better on diffuse thinners 2. It will work better in women due to the androgen dependence being a small factor and the fact that they still have all parts of the follicles intact for such treatment to work. 3. It will pump your follicles to grow hair for a few months then you can stop the treatment for a few months at best. You will be cycling treatments. 4. DHT will still be miniaturizing your follicles but HSC will do the opposite and produce hair, it will not care if you have MPB or not, it will just make hair grow. So it can work for other conditions. And of course I base the above on absolutely nothing. moawk is located in GERMANY and he is available to meet: NO --- 1. Predicted the failure of replicel, months in advance. 2. Predicted how their stock would rise/drop even with exact numbers. 3. Predicted the wild claims and crazyness that gc83uk's donor regeneration will cause among the HT industry during this summer. Including rassman's opinion, Dr. Woods special patients and Pro hair clinic photos. 4. Predicted Gho will open up a clinic in asia. 5. No prediction on Histogen. Looks promising if they didn't fake results. 6. Predicted the only viable HM technique other than Gho would surface when hairs are: "generated through the appropriate cell populations" -Team Tokyo 2012 - Moawk Advice for patients: If you are considering a hair transplant, only consider Gho's HST and nothing else. First HT treatment in the world that offers: zero scarring, small downtime and donor regrowth. http://www.hasci.com Advice for Investors in HM: Invest in Team Tokyo. http://www.tsuji-lab.com/en/research/organ/hair.html Ditch replicel, aderans. They are done for and have no future. Post reply
action_reaction 14.07.2012, 00:12 @ moawk	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» 2. It will work better in women due to the androgen dependence being a » small factor and the fact that they still have all parts of the follicles » intact for such treatment to work. what ALL parts of the follicle are you talking about? http://www.jci.org/articles/view/44478#SEC3 » 3. It will pump your follicles to grow hair for a few months then you can » stop the treatment for a few months at best. You will be cycling » treatments. what do you mean cycling treatments? » 4. DHT will still be miniaturizing your follicles but HSC will do the » opposite and produce hair, it will not care if you have MPB or not, it will » just make hair grow. So it can work for other conditions. right, but do you think the growth will wear off due to DHT or due to the actual growth factors from HSC wearing off? action_reaction is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
cal 14.07.2012, 06:28 @ action_reaction	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	.............. Hypothetical: What if Histogen had not publicized the fact that they are seeing continued regrowth over a year after the injections? If they hadn't gone public with that fact, then I have no doubt that some guys here would be giving detailed explanations for why that is completely impossible given the way HSC works. We don't really know sh*t yet. If HSC still works over a year out, then in IMHO it will probably last for at least one hair cycle. I'm not trying to be particularly optimistic, I am just simply looking at the mechanics of hair growth. Does your hair look better 12+ months after you quit taking Fin/Dut than the first 2 months after you quit taking it? Does Minox do that? Not even close. These things boost hair growth while they are used but nothing currently known keeps working for anywhere near a year. (Does HGH or steroids keep increasing your muscle mass 12+ months after you end the cycle?) If the results from anything (HSC or otherwise) are still helping the new hair growth for over a year, then the end of that hair cycle is the next logical interval where the situation might change in a significant way. So I'm guessing it probably works for at least that long. Just my guess. And if we have that, then we have a viable treatment. When the hairs are healthy they will grow for several years on a single cycle. That means after an initial several rounds of injections to get things going, HSC would probably only need to be redone once every several years to keep the gains. The gains from HSC might not last for a lifetime. (I happen to think that Ahab may be onto something with his theory that every follicle has a finite number of cycles in our lifetime, which could complicate things if HSC doesn't repair that damage too.) But I suspect the gains from HSC could be maintained for years, probably decades. And of course like everything else, the sooner in the MPB process you got on the treatment, the better off you will probably be in the long run. cal is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
Iron_Man 14.07.2012, 12:54 @ nemo.shark	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» Read this pdf on the histogen sight, it will give you an idea of how » effective it currently is and how many injections you will need. » » http://histogen.com/downloads/sid_2012_HSC_Final.pdf » » we know it works, but yeah we dont know ... http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/histogen-scientific-misconduct.jpg Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO --- I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process … Post reply
action_reaction 14.07.2012, 14:00 @ Iron_Man	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/histogen-scientific-misconduct.jpg why the hell would they fake their results? action_reaction is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply
nemo.shark 14.07.2012, 14:08 @ Iron_Man	cost of histogen injections, what would you be willing to pay?
	» » Read this pdf on the histogen sight, it will give you an idea of how » » effective it currently is and how many injections you will need. » » » » http://histogen.com/downloads/sid_2012_HSC_Final.pdf » » » » we know it works, but yeah we dont know ... » » http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/histogen-scientific-misconduct.jpg count the hairs, theres more in the pic on the right than on the left, you dont need to count all of them just choose any 1cm2 or 1 inch square from each photo, thats not a permanent tatoo by the way, any way whats you're excuse for the pic above on the pdf link i provided? or the other results in the temple zone? nemo.shark is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO Post reply