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mj2003

Toronto,
31.10.2009, 00:21

Dr. Lee's BS - 12% minox, xandrox, 6% minox = crap (All Topicals & Shampoos)
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Ss I'm browing Dr. Lee's products for hair on minoxidil dot com and was really interested in the higher than 5% minoxidil solutions. But the problem was that there were never any studies conducted to prove it's effectiveness nor do I see a sworm of people swearing by it.

When you click on any of his products you are immediately referred to another page solely on the product you clicked. In other words, the whole page describes how to use the specific product, it's effectiveness, how it works, and furhter info. which are mostly answered through the Questions & Answers on that specific page. Thus when I clicked on 12.5% minoxidil I was redirected to the info on 12.5% minoxidil solution and the Questions & Answers posed for it. Now keep in mind that the first thing you and I would say to ourselves is "Eeeh? As much as I would love to use a stronger minoxidil than 5%, does it work? Can more percentage of minoxidil mean better results? More growth? better regrowth? Is this proven through any studiess?"
So what do you see in the Questions and Answers below the 12.5% minoxidil solution you are interested in purchasing? You see the followng Question and Answer:

"Q. Can you cite a scientific reference demonstrating that higher doses of topical minoxidil improve the results in the treatment of MPB?
A. An excellent study relating dosage to results was reported in this article: Olsen, EA, DeLong ER, Weiner MS. Dose-response study of topical minoxidil in male pattern baldness. J Am Acad Dermatol. 1986;15:30-37." (Dr. Lee, http://www.minoxidil.com/subpages/faqs/faq_minoxidil_12.html).

Now the average reader upon reading the above Question and Answer will say to himself "Oh wow, it's proven through scientific studies that 12.5% works better than 5%! The higher concentration of minoxidil the better the results"!
What's the point? When you research and find the article the study was conducted to determine the effectiveness of minoxidil UNDER 5% CONCENTRATION!. It was a study comparing 2%, 3%, and 5%. Ultimately 2% was just as good and as equal in effectiveness as 3% (more is not necessarily better.

I find that that specific question and answer is intentionaly posed in a certain way by dr lee to mislead readers into purchasing solutions over 5%. On every forum (as some of you know) I have always given the the green light on dr lee's products. But I must admit that his credibility is out the window with me now. By the way, I ALMOST bought the 15% "Xandrox" crap until I researched the study he cited when he referred to it as "a study that shows the higher the minoxidil % the better".

By the way, I have always emailed him and received prompt responses, sometimes even on the same day. It's been 2 days since I emailed dr lee as to why mislead the readers in thinking his study he cited means the more minoxidil the better when that's total BS, and he's not emailed me back.

here is the actual study he cited and purposely misinterpreted it to mislead people into buying "Xandrox" crap and minoxidil over 5% solutions:
http://www.ijdvl.com/article.asp?issn=0378-6323;year=1990;volume=56;issue=3;spage=187;epage=192;aulast=kubba

mj2003 is located in TORONTO and he is available to meet: YES
email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting.
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Reg. Shampoo Mornings

mj2003

Toronto,
01.11.2009, 21:28

@ mj2003
Dr. Lee's Response to email
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� Ss I'm browing Dr. Lee's products for hair on minoxidil dot com and was
� really interested in the higher than 5% minoxidil solutions. But the
� problem was that there were never any studies conducted to prove it's
� effectiveness nor do I see a sworm of people swearing by it.
�
� When you click on any of his products you are immediately referred to
� another page solely on the product you clicked. In other words, the whole
� page describes how to use the specific product, it's effectiveness, how it
� works, and furhter info. which are mostly answered through the Questions &
� Answers on that specific page. Thus when I clicked on 12.5% minoxidil I
� was redirected to the info on 12.5% minoxidil solution and the Questions &
� Answers posed for it. Now keep in mind that the first thing you and I
� would say to ourselves is "Eeeh? As much as I would love to use a stronger
� minoxidil than 5%, does it work? Can more percentage of minoxidil mean
� better results? More growth? better regrowth? Is this proven through any
� studiess?"
� So what do you see in the Questions and Answers below the 12.5% minoxidil
� solution you are interested in purchasing? You see the followng Question
� and Answer:
�
� "Q. Can you cite a scientific reference demonstrating that higher doses
� of topical minoxidil improve the results in the treatment of MPB?
� A. An excellent study relating dosage to results was reported in this
� article: Olsen, EA, DeLong ER, Weiner MS. Dose-response study of topical
� minoxidil in male pattern baldness. J Am Acad Dermatol. 1986;15:30-37."
� (Dr. Lee, http://www.minoxidil.com/subpages/faqs/faq_minoxidil_12.html).
�
� Now the average reader upon reading the above Question and Answer will say
� to himself "Oh wow, it's proven through scientific studies that 12.5% works
� better than 5%! The higher concentration of minoxidil the better the
� results"!
� What's the point? When you research and find the article the study was
� conducted to determine the effectiveness of minoxidil UNDER 5%
� CONCENTRATION!. It was a study comparing 2%, 3%, and 5%. Ultimately 2% was
� just as good and as equal in effectiveness as 3% (more is not necessarily
� better.
�
� I find that that specific question and answer is intentionaly posed in a
� certain way by dr lee to mislead readers into purchasing solutions over 5%.
� On every forum (as some of you know) I have always given the the green
� light on dr lee's products. But I must admit that his credibility is out
� the window with me now. By the way, I ALMOST bought the 15% "Xandrox" crap
� until I researched the study he cited when he referred to it as "a study
� that shows the higher the minoxidil % the better".
�
� By the way, I have always emailed him and received prompt responses,
� sometimes even on the same day. It's been 2 days since I emailed dr lee as
� to why mislead the readers in thinking his study he cited means the more
� minoxidil the better when that's total BS, and he's not emailed me back.
�
� here is the actual study he cited and purposely misinterpreted it to
� mislead people into buying "Xandrox" crap and minoxidil over 5% solutions:
� http://www.ijdvl.com/article.asp?issn=0378-6323;year=1990;volume=56;issue=3;spage=187;epage=192;aulast=kubba

Below is doctor Lee's response as to why he posed such a question in a misleading way. Personally, his response ran around the bush but failed to address his Question and Answer issue as stated previously:

Thanks for your critique of the Q & A's. No, I don't advise the use of a 20%, 25% or 30% minoxidil compounds.

While it's true that clinical observations* have shown that success with topical minoxidil in promoting hair growth is dose dependent, the increased efficacy in promoting hair growth is not directly proportional to the increases in the concentrations of minoxidil. There are diminishing returns. For example, 5% minoxidil solutions have been proven to promote hair growth and retard the hair loss process with greater efficacy than 2% minoxidil solutions, but not 2 � times as effectively. It's very questionable whether or not a 20% or 25% minoxidil compound would be any more effective in treating MPB than a 15% solution.

As is true with all medications, you really need to be cautious in regards to dosage. A maxim in pharmacology is 'the only difference between a medication and a toxin is the dosage'. In a study reported in Skin Pharmacology [Skin Pharmacol 1997;10(4):206-20] it was shown that ?minoxidil had biphasic effects on the proliferation and differentiation of normal human keratinocytes (NHK): Minoxidil stimulated NHK proliferation at micromolar doses, while antiproliferative, pro-differentiative and partially cytotoxic effects were observed with millimolar concentrations.? In other words, too much minoxidil can be counter productive in promoting hair growth.

Richard Lee, M.D.

*80% of patients who take oral minoxidil for hypertension grow hair, not only on the scalp...but all over the body

mj2003 is located in TORONTO and he is available to meet: YES
email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting.
---
Dut 0.5mg daily
Nizoral 2% 2x-3x/wk
Reg. Shampoo Mornings

Eurohair1621

11.11.2009, 20:29

@ mj2003
Dr. Lee's BS - 12% minox, xandrox, 6% minox = crap
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I'm really interested in the success and validity of these products. Let me know if anyone has experienced any positive effects from these products.

Eurohair1621 is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO

mj2003 Toronto, 31.10.2009, 00:21	Dr. Lee's BS - 12% minox, xandrox, 6% minox = crap (All Topicals & Shampoos) Post reply
	Ss I'm browing Dr. Lee's products for hair on minoxidil dot com and was really interested in the higher than 5% minoxidil solutions. But the problem was that there were never any studies conducted to prove it's effectiveness nor do I see a sworm of people swearing by it. When you click on any of his products you are immediately referred to another page solely on the product you clicked. In other words, the whole page describes how to use the specific product, it's effectiveness, how it works, and furhter info. which are mostly answered through the Questions & Answers on that specific page. Thus when I clicked on 12.5% minoxidil I was redirected to the info on 12.5% minoxidil solution and the Questions & Answers posed for it. Now keep in mind that the first thing you and I would say to ourselves is "Eeeh? As much as I would love to use a stronger minoxidil than 5%, does it work? Can more percentage of minoxidil mean better results? More growth? better regrowth? Is this proven through any studiess?" So what do you see in the Questions and Answers below the 12.5% minoxidil solution you are interested in purchasing? You see the followng Question and Answer: "Q. Can you cite a scientific reference demonstrating that higher doses of topical minoxidil improve the results in the treatment of MPB? A. An excellent study relating dosage to results was reported in this article: Olsen, EA, DeLong ER, Weiner MS. Dose-response study of topical minoxidil in male pattern baldness. J Am Acad Dermatol. 1986;15:30-37." (Dr. Lee, http://www.minoxidil.com/subpages/faqs/faq_minoxidil_12.html). Now the average reader upon reading the above Question and Answer will say to himself "Oh wow, it's proven through scientific studies that 12.5% works better than 5%! The higher concentration of minoxidil the better the results"! What's the point? When you research and find the article the study was conducted to determine the effectiveness of minoxidil UNDER 5% CONCENTRATION!. It was a study comparing 2%, 3%, and 5%. Ultimately 2% was just as good and as equal in effectiveness as 3% (more is not necessarily better. I find that that specific question and answer is intentionaly posed in a certain way by dr lee to mislead readers into purchasing solutions over 5%. On every forum (as some of you know) I have always given the the green light on dr lee's products. But I must admit that his credibility is out the window with me now. By the way, I ALMOST bought the 15% "Xandrox" crap until I researched the study he cited when he referred to it as "a study that shows the higher the minoxidil % the better". By the way, I have always emailed him and received prompt responses, sometimes even on the same day. It's been 2 days since I emailed dr lee as to why mislead the readers in thinking his study he cited means the more minoxidil the better when that's total BS, and he's not emailed me back. here is the actual study he cited and purposely misinterpreted it to mislead people into buying "Xandrox" crap and minoxidil over 5% solutions: http://www.ijdvl.com/article.asp?issn=0378-6323;year=1990;volume=56;issue=3;spage=187;epage=192;aulast=kubba mj2003 is located in TORONTO and he is available to meet: YES email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting. --- Dut 0.5mg daily Nizoral 2% 2x-3x/wk Reg. Shampoo Mornings
mj2003 Toronto, 01.11.2009, 21:28 @ mj2003	Dr. Lee's Response to email Post reply
	� Ss I'm browing Dr. Lee's products for hair on minoxidil dot com and was � really interested in the higher than 5% minoxidil solutions. But the � problem was that there were never any studies conducted to prove it's � effectiveness nor do I see a sworm of people swearing by it. � � When you click on any of his products you are immediately referred to � another page solely on the product you clicked. In other words, the whole � page describes how to use the specific product, it's effectiveness, how it � works, and furhter info. which are mostly answered through the Questions & � Answers on that specific page. Thus when I clicked on 12.5% minoxidil I � was redirected to the info on 12.5% minoxidil solution and the Questions & � Answers posed for it. Now keep in mind that the first thing you and I � would say to ourselves is "Eeeh? As much as I would love to use a stronger � minoxidil than 5%, does it work? Can more percentage of minoxidil mean � better results? More growth? better regrowth? Is this proven through any � studiess?" � So what do you see in the Questions and Answers below the 12.5% minoxidil � solution you are interested in purchasing? You see the followng Question � and Answer: � � "Q. Can you cite a scientific reference demonstrating that higher doses � of topical minoxidil improve the results in the treatment of MPB? � A. An excellent study relating dosage to results was reported in this � article: Olsen, EA, DeLong ER, Weiner MS. Dose-response study of topical � minoxidil in male pattern baldness. J Am Acad Dermatol. 1986;15:30-37." � (Dr. Lee, http://www.minoxidil.com/subpages/faqs/faq_minoxidil_12.html). � � Now the average reader upon reading the above Question and Answer will say � to himself "Oh wow, it's proven through scientific studies that 12.5% works � better than 5%! The higher concentration of minoxidil the better the � results"! � What's the point? When you research and find the article the study was � conducted to determine the effectiveness of minoxidil UNDER 5% � CONCENTRATION!. It was a study comparing 2%, 3%, and 5%. Ultimately 2% was � just as good and as equal in effectiveness as 3% (more is not necessarily � better. � � I find that that specific question and answer is intentionaly posed in a � certain way by dr lee to mislead readers into purchasing solutions over 5%. � On every forum (as some of you know) I have always given the the green � light on dr lee's products. But I must admit that his credibility is out � the window with me now. By the way, I ALMOST bought the 15% "Xandrox" crap � until I researched the study he cited when he referred to it as "a study � that shows the higher the minoxidil % the better". � � By the way, I have always emailed him and received prompt responses, � sometimes even on the same day. It's been 2 days since I emailed dr lee as � to why mislead the readers in thinking his study he cited means the more � minoxidil the better when that's total BS, and he's not emailed me back. � � here is the actual study he cited and purposely misinterpreted it to � mislead people into buying "Xandrox" crap and minoxidil over 5% solutions: � http://www.ijdvl.com/article.asp?issn=0378-6323;year=1990;volume=56;issue=3;spage=187;epage=192;aulast=kubba Below is doctor Lee's response as to why he posed such a question in a misleading way. Personally, his response ran around the bush but failed to address his Question and Answer issue as stated previously: Thanks for your critique of the Q & A's. No, I don't advise the use of a 20%, 25% or 30% minoxidil compounds. While it's true that clinical observations* have shown that success with topical minoxidil in promoting hair growth is dose dependent, the increased efficacy in promoting hair growth is not directly proportional to the increases in the concentrations of minoxidil. There are diminishing returns. For example, 5% minoxidil solutions have been proven to promote hair growth and retard the hair loss process with greater efficacy than 2% minoxidil solutions, but not 2 � times as effectively. It's very questionable whether or not a 20% or 25% minoxidil compound would be any more effective in treating MPB than a 15% solution. As is true with all medications, you really need to be cautious in regards to dosage. A maxim in pharmacology is 'the only difference between a medication and a toxin is the dosage'. In a study reported in Skin Pharmacology [Skin Pharmacol 1997;10(4):206-20] it was shown that ?minoxidil had biphasic effects on the proliferation and differentiation of normal human keratinocytes (NHK): Minoxidil stimulated NHK proliferation at micromolar doses, while antiproliferative, pro-differentiative and partially cytotoxic effects were observed with millimolar concentrations.? In other words, too much minoxidil can be counter productive in promoting hair growth. Richard Lee, M.D. 80% of patients who take oral minoxidil for hypertension grow hair, not only on the scalp...but all over the body mj2003 is located in TORONTO* and he is available to meet: YES email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting. --- Dut 0.5mg daily Nizoral 2% 2x-3x/wk Reg. Shampoo Mornings
Eurohair1621 11.11.2009, 20:29 @ mj2003	Dr. Lee's BS - 12% minox, xandrox, 6% minox = crap Post reply
	I'm really interested in the success and validity of these products. Let me know if anyone has experienced any positive effects from these products. Eurohair1621 is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO