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posted by Willy, 28.04.2008, 22:13

ť ť ť
ť ť ť
ť ť ť Regarding the fact that frontal scalp loses a water layer, Follica
ť are
ť ť ť saying their method induces embryonic follicle formation, as we
ť ť originally
ť ť ť had as fetuses.
ť ť ť Do you think this will have any impact on the frontal scalp? I.e
ť ť ť regenerating the lost water layer and creating the optimum
ť environment
ť ť for
ť ť ť follicle formation and hair growth?
ť ť
ť ť
ť ť I hope it grows hair like a charm, but I do ponder this: When you see a
ť ť receeding hairline.............the skin in front of it that used to be
ť ť "scalp" skin bearing hair, sort of *turns into* forehead skin over
ť time.
ť ť Look at it. Believe it or not, there are vellus hairs all over that
ť ť receeded forehead skin that used to be your hair. Look really close in
ť a
ť ť well-lit mirror and you see all those thousands of vellus hairs---that
ť used
ť ť to be your hairline. Follica is making hair, but will it make hair that
ť is
ť ť just like the hair in the skin around it? In this case that would be
ť more
ť ť vellus hair. For example, if you performed dermabrasion and blocked
ť ť epidermal growth factor on your shoulder................I'd expect the
ť new
ť ť hair growth on the shoulder to be just like the hair that is there. I
ť ť wouldn't expect "chest hair" quality follicles. This is my worry with
ť ť follica. I hope they dont have a trial, get dissapointing results in
ť the
ť ť bald area and declare it a failure without trying it in the back of the
ť ť head. If most men could just double their wreath just ONCE, they'd have
ť ť enough hair for a very very good transplant. Imagine if you could take
ť ALL
ť ť of your donor hair and move it, you'd have nice hair up front. If a
ť hair
ť ť transplant (FUE) could take half the wreath (5000 follicular units) and
ť ť regenerate it, and do it one more time.......that would be about 10,000
ť ť follicular units with the same density left in the back. It would be
ť like
ť ť Gho's procedure but much much more easy to do with small dermabrasion
ť ť tools---and making "donor" hair back in the back again.
ť ť
ť ť Im hoping FOllica can at LEAST do this. FUE surgeons would be very
ť happy,
ť ť and we'd all be happy. Its not as "elegant" as going and getting your
ť head
ť ť abraded and growing Brad Pitt hair or anything, but I dont see why this
ť ť wouldn't work, especially if one was on cyclosporin for about ten good
ť ť days--suppressing the immune system. I cant think of anything else that
ť ť would phuck it up. Probably couldn't wash your head back there for
ť those
ť ť ten days though.......so what, you could still wash the front. I wonder
ť if
ť ť the FUE would have to be performed first though,,,,,,,,,,,as too many
ť hairs
ť ť being present might present a signalling problem, so it might be better
ť to
ť ť denude the forrest first before.
ť ť
ť ť
ť ť I want this to work "The One". I mean it when I say
ť this..............if
ť ť it doesn't it will be several years. Think about it. Phase two at ICX
ť ť complete in 2009, a year review 2010, phase three 2011-2012, a review
ť and
ť ť MHRA approval................I cant see it coming out any sooner than
ť 2012,
ť ť and lets be honest; thats a best-case scenario. Aderans maybe has
ť completed
ť ť a phase one but we dont know because they dont say anything. I mean
ť ť this.................hell it may be 2013-2014 with HM. ACELL, the HM in
ť the
ť ť Indian Clinics with the EHRS president overseeing it, and as a way
ť outside
ť ť shot Phoenixbio. Nothing else is happening in hair-MAKING. Its this or
ť ť nothing in the near term.
ť
ť I really hope it works as well, but I have to admit I would be slightly
ť disappointed if I had to use in in conjunction with a hair transplant.
ť I can't decide If I could ever bring my self to get one, the
ť techniques/results would have to improve significantly for me.
ť
ť I can't see Acell being tested on humans for MPB in the foreseeable
ť future, unless a HT DR tries it to heal scars, as far as I know no one is
ť planning on using it for the purpose of fighting hair loss are they?
ť I wish they would but I'm skeptical on its abilities to regrow hair
ť follicles.
ť I know it can grow animal fur, but how similar is fur to human hair?
ť I could be wrong though because on animals it has shown to heal wounds to
ť look like they pretty much never happened, hopefully it can do the same on
ť the scalp.
ť
ť So our only known hopes for HM in the next 10 years are:
ť
ť ICX - TRC.
ť
ť Aderans.
ť
ť Phoenixbio.
ť
ť Shiseido.
ť
ť Dr Batras Clinic.
ť
ť Follica.
ť
ť Possibly Acell.
ť
ť It seems like there are a few companies working on HM so things look
ť promising at first glance, but its shocking if you think that 5 of these
ť companies are working on pretty much the same thing (injecting DP cell's).
ť Follica are the only ones working o something different.
ť I'm optimistic about follicas approach and the people behind it and their
ť confidence makes me more so, I just wish they would hurry up with trials.

I don't think that they will be required to test Acell for MPB. It will be released for human use this fall and most likely can be used for any wound healing (even on the scalp). Whether it will grow hair or not...I don't know. Nobody does. Until someone tries it. I've spoken with someone at Acell and they felt confident that it would work...but they were not one of the researchers so I don't know if he really understood the science behind it. Because of this, I am cautiously optimistic. I think that it is definately worth trying it on someone who is going for a HT (either strip of FUE). If it doen't work...the patient will be no worse off anyways. If it does grow hair, we would virtually have an unlimited donor supply. They could move donor (protected) hair from the back/sides to the top, apply
Acell to the wound and wait for the removed donor hair to regenerate itself. Keep your fingers crossed.

Willy is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO

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Studies that back up Follica Research- For Benji and Co. - Labmouse, 28.04.2008, 12:37 (Hair Multiplication & Research)
- Studies that back up Follica Research- For Benji and Co. - biston, 28.04.2008, 15:57
  - Studies that back up Follica Research- For Benji and Co. - TheOne, 28.04.2008, 16:08
    - Studies that back up Follica Research- For Benji and Co. - biston, 28.04.2008, 16:21
      - Studies that back up Follica Research- For Benji and Co. - TheOne, 28.04.2008, 16:43
      - Studies that back up Follica Research- For Benji and Co. - MPB, 28.04.2008, 21:03
  - For Labmouse........... - benji, 28.04.2008, 16:23
    - For Labmouse........... - TheOne, 28.04.2008, 16:49
      - For Labmouse........... - benji, 28.04.2008, 20:04
        For Labmouse........... - cal, 28.04.2008, 20:33
        For Labmouse........... - MPB, 29.04.2008, 15:46
        For Labmouse........... - TheOne, 28.04.2008, 20:57
        For Labmouse........... - Willy, 28.04.2008, 22:13
        For Labmouse........... - TAGOHL, 29.04.2008, 10:16
    - For Labmouse........... - biston, 28.04.2008, 20:56
      - For Labmouse........... - BRUTUS, 29.04.2008, 10:47
        For Labmouse........... - cal, 29.04.2008, 14:33
        thanks BRUTUS - benji, 29.04.2008, 19:09
        thanks BRUTUS - cal, 30.04.2008, 20:54
        thanks BRUTUS - widowswannabe, 01.05.2008, 00:27
        thanks BRUTUS - costanza, 01.05.2008, 07:55
        thanks BRUTUS - widowswannabe, 02.05.2008, 01:08

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