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posted by cal, 05.11.2008, 18:35

I think you guys are worrying too much over this mice & immune issue. I don't see what this issue changes about the Folica situation.

Regardless of the immune system suppression results, the bottom line is that the mice with human skin grafts are producing some entirely new human hair follicles that didn't previously exist. Maybe they needed immune suppression to form, but we can do that temporarily on ourselves too if we have to.

These are gonna be new follicles. They won't have 20 years of DHT exposure. I see no reason to assume the immune system would eat the new follicles alive like androgen-wrecked ones as soon as it gets back online. No more than it was eating the original follicles before the DHT got to them, and no more that it's currently eating you donor wreath follicles right now.

The immune response attack is PROPORTIONAL to the amount of androgen damage in the follicle, remember? It's not just an on/off thing. You've always had a raging-poweful immune system, but it was only partially miniaturizing certain follicles for years in your teens, remember?

If you time-traveled and transplanted one of your current (balded) follicles onto your head back 10 years ago, then think of what would happen: Your 1998 self's immune system would still immeidately attack the 2008-sourced follicle down to its 2008 level of miniaturization, while leaving the rest of the 1998 follicles much less miniaturized at the time.

Likewise, a no-androgen-exposure follicle sprouted on your head in 2008 would get only a childhood-level immune attack, even though the existing follicles alongside it might still be getting chewed down to nothing because of the long term androgen damage.

So I think as long as we can get a new batch of these goddamn follicles fully formed right in the first place, they shouldn't rely on immune system suppression just for their continued survival.

cal is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO

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    - Vellus hairs and Donora area hairs equal when transplanted to mice - benji, 23.03.2008, 02:47
      - Vellus hairs and Donora area hairs equal when transplanted to mice - HanginInThere, 23.03.2008, 03:15
  - Vellus hairs and Donora area hairs equal when transplanted to mice - TAGOHL, 23.03.2008, 12:23
  - Vellus hairs and Donora area hairs equal when transplanted to mice - debris, 06.11.2008, 14:02
    - Vellus hairs and Donora area hairs equal when transplanted to mice - cal, 07.11.2008, 17:58
  - Vellus hairs and Donora area hairs equal when transplanted to mice - harm2, 07.03.2009, 18:12
    - Vellus hairs and Donora area hairs equal when transplanted to mice - cal, 07.03.2009, 21:12
      - Vellus hairs and Donora area hairs equal when transplanted to mice - harm2, 08.03.2009, 19:16
        Vellus hairs and Donora area hairs equal when transplanted to mice - goata007, 08.03.2009, 20:52
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      - And this is where follica is most probably going to fail - TAGOHL, 24.03.2008, 19:54
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- Vellus hairs and Donora area hairs equal when transplanted to mice - goata007, 07.03.2009, 10:06
  - Vellus hairs and Donora area hairs equal when transplanted to mice - AJ, 07.03.2009, 13:03
    - Vellus hairs and Donora area hairs equal when transplanted to mice - goata007, 07.03.2009, 22:46
      - Vellus hairs and Donora area hairs equal when transplanted to mice - cal, 08.03.2009, 04:27
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