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Iron_Man

23.06.2012, 19:21
 

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations (Hair Multiplication & Stem Cells Treatment)

Based on HairSite’s free trail offer one year ago…
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-multiplication/dr-gho-hair-stem-cell-transplant-trial.htm
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-88290.html
[image]
… I still think that HairSite didn’t even know what he is talking about with his “free trail offer”, because what exactly means for HairSite (or someone else)
The real challenge is scientific, objective, and independently verifiable documentation” ???

And what means for HairSite “scientific hair count” ???

And who will PAY any “independent doctor or scientist” such a tedious work???

Anyway, it seems that I’m the only one who was able to come up with an OBJECTIVE and INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIABLE protocol”, which DEFINITELY proves what Dr. Gho claims and promises every HST patient.

Now it’s just up to any hair transplant doctors or hair scientists out there to VERIFY either my “protocol” …

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-100262-page-0-category-17-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html

… or they are still able to do their own work.

Therefore, I collected all relevant and independent ORIGINAL posts & photos, provided by an independent patient (gc83uk) who just provided his (excellent) donor close-up photos. Furthermore, I strongly encourage all those users to do their own review and documentation of all photos, who had the BIGGEST MOUTH in HairSite’s free trail offer thread:
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-88290.html
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[image]
Day 15 - FULL SIZE http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/day-15-marked-reference-area.jpg
All 53 marked extraction sites (there is no hair shaft left since day 1!!) were regularly observed and documented (each and every hole/site from 1-53!) with gc83uk’s provided after photos (day 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 10, 13 and day 15). So every hair transplant doctor or hair scientist out there is still able to evaluate all provided data and photos.
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Day 1 (~36 hours after HST extractions):
gc’s posting:
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-99588-page-1-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC-category-17.html
Photo:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/28/3202143/2nd%20treatment%20022.JPG
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Day 2
gc’s posting:
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-99641-page-1-category-17-order-last_answer.html
Photo:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/28/3202143/day%202%20after%202nd%20procedure%20020.JPG
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Day 3
gc’s posting:
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-99711-page-1-category-17-order-last_answer.html
Photo:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/28/3202143/3rd%20day%20-%202nd%20treatment%20003.JPG
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Day 5
gc’s posting:
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-99851-page-1-category-17-order-last_answer.html
Photo:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/28/3202143/DSCN0682.JPG
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Day 6
gc’s posting:
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-99898-page-1-category-17-order-last_answer.html
Photo:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/28/3202143/day%206%20-%202nd%20procedure%20003.JPG
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Day 7
gc’s posting:
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-99975.html
Photo:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/28/3202143/2nd%20procedure%20-%20week%201%20012.JPG
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Day 10
gc’s posting:
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-100220-page-1-category-17-order-last_answer.html
Photo:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/28/3202143/2nd%20procedure%20-%20day%2010%20015.jpg
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Day 13
gc’s posting:
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-100377-page-0-category-17-order-last_answer.html
Photo:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/28/3202143/day%2013%20part2%20012.jpg
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Day 15
gc’s posting:
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-100562-page-0-category-17-order-last_answer.html
Photo:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/28/3202143/2nd%20procedure%20-%20day%2015%20003.JPG
============================

And finally, gc83uk’s RECIPIENT area photos for the proof that the extracted follicles parts also grow in the recipient area …
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-103132-page-0-category-17-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html

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Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO

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I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process …


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HisRage

23.06.2012, 19:59

@ Iron_Man

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

Hey mate to me its conclusive but thanks for putting it together AGAIN. Anywa i wih you luck or whatever they will wish you, for your HST. Oh btw you asked if they want to lower Dean Saunders hair line but you couldnt understand dutch.

The anwer is YES they wanna lower his hair line




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Wanna know something about Dr Woods? http://www.hccc.nsw.gov.au/Publications/Media-Releases/Dr--Ray-Woods---reprimanded-and-conditions-imposed-by-Medical-Tribunal/default.aspx

Or here : http://www.ripoffreport.com/directory/Dr-Ray-Woods.aspx


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Iron_Man

24.06.2012, 09:31

@ Iron_Man

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

» And who will PAY any “independent doctor or scientist” such a
» tedious work???

»
» Anyway, it seems that I’m the only one who was able to come up with an
» OBJECTIVE and INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIABLE protocol”, which DEFINITELY
» proves what Dr. Gho claims and promises every HST patient.
===================================================
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-multiplication/dr-gho-hair-stem-cell-transplant-trial.htm
If someone is able to come up with an OBJECTIVE and INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIABLE protocol that can prove, conclusively and definitively with scientific hair count to ascertain whether Dr. Gho's HST tecnhique works and to what extent it works, HairSite will gladly arrange a free trial with Dr. Gho's clinic for one of our forum members. **
Our community are not interested in the trial patient's casual observations and amateur photo documentation regardless of how often he reports back to the forum. We have been through this many times already over the years.
Always the same problem:
how is anyone going to prove donor regeneration objectively with hair count when the majority of the patients still have a fair amount of hair in the donor? How do you distinguish your native hair from those derived from the regeneration process?

In the end, we want to know the following:

1. Percentage of regeneration in the donor site - with hair count,

2. The yield of healthy terminal hairs in the recipient site - with hair count
Note:
** free trial is strictly for 50 grafts only and does NOT cover cost of transportation, airfare, hotel, food or any incidental costs or expenses associated with the hair transplant procedure. There will be disclaimers and agreement the the test subject will have to sign with HairSite in order to proceed.
===============================================

I think I did far more than just any almost useless “hair counts”. My documentation simply PROVES what Dr. Gho claims with the documentation of 53 exraction sites/holes – and I charge NOTHING for this tedious work!

Anyway, I was definitely the one who “is able to come up with an OBJECTIVE and INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIABLE protocol that can prove, conclusively and definitively with scientific hair count to ascertain whether Dr. Gho's HST tecnhique works and to what extent it works”.
Furthermore, point 1.) und point 2.) is definitely fulfilled: everybody knows the percentage of regeneration in the donor site (84.9%) and the yield of healthy terminal hairs in the recipient site is also known – almost 100% and without any doubts.

So WHO should be the one who gets the promised and sponsored 50 grafts?

I suggest, it is definitely the forum member gc83uk – especially for his 3rd HST procedure with Dr. Gho in the near future. Furthermore, I think gc83uk would be encouraged to provide also (and especially in this case it would be EXTREMELY interesting concerning the shaved donor area after 2 HST procedures!) excellent photos from his 3rd HST procedure if HE gets the promised money:

[image]
EURO 570 = USD ~710

I suggest gc83uk should get this money from HairSite – as promised.




Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO

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I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process …


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Iron_Man

24.06.2012, 11:58

@ Iron_Man

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

» All 53 marked extraction sites (there is no hair shaft left
» since day 1!!
) were regularly observed and documented (each and
» every hole/site from 1-53!) with gc83uk’s provided after photos (day 1, 2,
» 3, 5, 6, 7, 10, 13 and day 15). So every hair transplant doctor or hair
» scientist out there is still able to evaluate all provided data and
» photos.
» ============================
» Day 1 (~36 hours after HST extractions):
» gc’s posting:
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-99588-page-1-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC-category-17.html
»
» Photo:
» http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/28/3202143/2nd%20treatment%20022.JPG
» ============================
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FULL SIZE: http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/hair-stemcell-transplantation%20HST.jpg




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Iron_Man

01.07.2012, 09:53

@ Iron_Man

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

All documented photos at a glance …
[image]




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Iron_Man

01.07.2012, 09:54

@ Iron_Man

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

Below: Day 1 – Full Size: http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/gc83uk-Day-1.jpg
[image]
Below: Day 2 – Full Size: http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/gc83uk-Day-2.jpg
[image]
Below: Day 3 – Full Size: http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/gc83uk-Day-3.jpg
[image]




Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO

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I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process …


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Iron_Man

01.07.2012, 09:56

@ Iron_Man

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

Below: Day 5 – Full Size: http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/gc83uk-Day-5.jpg
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Below: Day 6 – Full Size: http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/gc83uk-Day-6.jpg
[image]
Below: Day 7 – Full Size: http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/gc83uk-Day-7.jpg
[image]




Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO

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I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process …


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Iron_Man

01.07.2012, 09:57

@ Iron_Man

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

Below: Day 10 – Full Size: http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/gc83uk-Day-10.jpg
[image]
Below: Day 13 – Full Size: http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/gc83uk-Day-13.jpg
[image]
Below: Day 15 – Full Size: http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/gc83uk-Day-15.jpg
[image]




Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO

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I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process …


Post reply
caddarik79

09.11.2012, 14:00

@ Iron_Man

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

84,9% after how long?




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Post reply
ejj

10.11.2012, 02:48

@ caddarik79

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

pah ! numbers pictures meaningless ! were are all the patients over the last ten years , 5 per wk 20 per month , 240 per year , not suprised relocating to lawless south east asia




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Post reply
Chaleston

10.11.2012, 03:00

@ ejj

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

» pah ! numbers pictures meaningless ! were are all the patients over the
» last ten years , 5 per wk 20 per month , 240 per year , not suprised
» relocating to lawless south east asia

Wow a new kind of human

A Repair Racist Pig :-)




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Post reply
Iron_Man

10.11.2012, 06:00

@ ejj

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

» pah ! numbers pictures meaningless !

hmmm, not at all!
[image]

I did it with your ACell disaster procedure as well and Dr. Jerry Cooley finally confirmed my findings.

pah ! :-D




Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO

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I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process …


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Chaleston

10.11.2012, 18:14

@ Iron_Man

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

150 red dots. Put 80 more on it and you get a topcat beard hair mega session.

Its funny how this pubic hair guy is listening to the Gho interview very closely as he said.

As i said before for guys like topcat...... Anyway Iron man could you please do a psychological study on a guy like topcat, why he acts like a total idiot and is messing his head more and more from session to session like a sado masochist.




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Post reply
ejj

11.11.2012, 22:07

@ Chaleston

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

[image]



Well you know what they say about pictures .....

Many Thanks BHR xx




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Iron_Man

11.11.2012, 22:31

@ ejj

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

» Well you know what they say about pictures .....

Sure, namely, that you will still see the strip scar if you shave your head. And at a closer look, with beard hairs, the scar will look even more freakier (as it already does in your case).

btw - this thread is created for independent evaluations by third parties (doctors, researchers, scientists etc) of donor hair regeneration, and NOT for idiots who want to show their normal A to B hair transplant results produced by idiots.




Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO

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Post reply
ejj

12.11.2012, 00:37
(edited by ejj, 12.11.2012, 00:53)

@ Iron_Man

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

» » Well you know what they say about pictures .....
»
» Sure, namely, that you will still see the strip scar if you shave your
» head. And at a closer look, with beard hairs, the scar will look even more
» freakier (as it already does in your case).
»
» btw - this thread is created for independent evaluations by third parties
» (doctors, researchers, scientists etc) of donor hair regeneration, and NOT
» for idiots who want to show their normal A to B hair transplant results
» produced by idiots.


I wouldnt of had a transplant if i ever intended to shave my hair !

I wouldnt recommend anyone having a transplant or hst either, if they intend to shave there head , much better for the astronomical costs of hst to buy a house or something, rather than gamble with unproven procedures . Then again cheaper to have good fue, with combo of scalp and Beard hair, nice, coarse beard hair , by the way nothing wrong with proven a to b procedures plenty of happy patients with that procedure , just like me !

unless im missing something , i dont see many, researchers , Drs , or scientists, posting on this thread ( 3 posts since 23rd june :-D ) , perhaps you flatter yourself with your sense of self importance !

ejj




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Iron_Man

12.11.2012, 05:47

@ ejj

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

» I wouldnt of had a transplant if i ever intended to shave my hair !
»
» I wouldnt recommend anyone having a transplant or hst either, if they
» intend to shave there head , much better for the astronomical costs of hst
» to buy a house or something, rather than gamble with unproven procedures .

» ejj

Again, aren't you the guy who INDEED gambled with unproven procedures?

And NO - nobody is talking in this thread about traditional hair transplants. I assume your fat ass will find lots of other forums to post your freak show.




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Iron_Man

12.11.2012, 06:23

@ ejj

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

» unless im missing something , i dont see many, researchers , Drs , or
» scientists, posting on this thread ( 3 posts since 23rd june :-D )

Exactly - E X A C T L Y!

One reason is speechlessness in general and the other reason is the nature of the photo documentation - because such a documentation has set the bar very high: Namely, everything beyond such a documention is completely UNACCEPABLE in future! Especially, if doctors or researchers try to prove something ...

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-110768-page-0-category-1-order-last_answer.html
[image]

Or could you EVER see close-up photos of FUE extraction holes on a day-by-day basis since it launch? Guess why you couldn't see such photos - actually, until today ...

Anyway, other users know already what I'm talking about ...
[image]
This post shows what I meant with "I've set the bar very high" ...
Users, patients etc don't accept anymore something beyond such a documentation, as demonstrated in THIS thread!




Iron_Man is located in [NA] and he is available to meet: NO

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I documented the world’s 1st day-by-day (HST) donor hair regeneration process …


Post reply
ccmethinning

12.11.2012, 08:37

@ Iron_Man

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

» This post shows what I meant with "I've set the bar very high" ...
» Users, patients etc don't accept anymore something beyond such a
» documentation, as demonstrated in THIS thread!

Iron_Man,

You really are under-appreciated and misunderstood. When HST becomes the new gold standard, you will have played a significant part in making it that.

Your hard-hitting analysis and unrelenting pursuit of the truth has indeed set the bar high among hair-loss consumers. Gho, in the long run, will have to prove his procedure beyond all doubts by himself, but your contributions will allow us to get there. You analysis has brought attention and interest to HST. It has driven people to demand answers about HST that will allow it to drive into surgical hair restoration preeminence as a cutting edge procedure, much like FUT did to plugs and FUE to FUT.

Furthermore, your pursuit of the truth has acted as a valuable equalizing balance to a corrupt industry. You have debunked many a hair loss sc*m, brought attention to the follies that are RepliCel, Histogen, and Aderans, and set standards of honesty and transparency that hair loss consumers will demand.

And for this, we thank you Iron_Man, the unsung and much maligned hero of this crazy hair loss world.




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Post reply
moopookoo

12.11.2012, 09:17

@ ejj

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

»
» I wouldnt of had a transplant if i ever intended to shave my hair !
»
» I wouldnt recommend anyone having a transplant or hst either, if they
» intend to shave there head , much better for the astronomical costs of hst
» to buy a house or something, rather than gamble with unproven procedures .
» Then again cheaper to have good fue, with combo of scalp and Beard hair,
» nice, coarse beard hair , by the way nothing wrong with proven a to b
» procedures plenty of happy patients with that procedure , just like me !
»
» unless im missing something , i dont see many, researchers , Drs , or
» scientists, posting on this thread ( 3 posts since 23rd june :-D ) ,
» perhaps you flatter yourself with your sense of self importance !
»
» ejj


Ejj

I rather have scarless HT than one that causes scars, tell me one advantage of having scar?

HST is actually cheapper than FUE unless you go to Africa to get it done

HST graft is about $6 wheras FUE/BHT a to b HT will cost you anywhere
from $8-$15 in the western world




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Post reply
caddarik79

12.11.2012, 09:44

@ ccmethinning

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

fully agree, Iron_Man deserves a discount on his own HST for all what he did for us!!!

He did this for free and saved the scalp of many people looking for a solution!!!

Now the next step is to think together on how we could spread the news and also put pressure and ask for improvements in the field of stem cell and hair multiplication...

I don't thin that the solution will ever be a pill or a topic, but rather very high level stem cells transplants!!!




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Post reply
ejj

12.11.2012, 09:55

@ moopookoo

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

nope didnt gamble with anything just didnt live up to consumer expectations .

I hope this works always said that , however a lack of patients results over several years leads me to believe something is amiss , unless im mistaken pictures presented counts etc dont show the donor prior , so i dont know what was there ,example would be 3 hair unit prior , now showing one hair growing.

strikes me odd the lack of independent patient results, just one guy promoting hst with what can only be described as` cult like status`

Moopookoo , i suggest you do your own research and dont rely on third partie information ,if you did this you would see from clinic/DR websites in Belgium that most charge 6 euro per bht .

When you cut the skin it leaves a scar, with small needles punches and the right Dr this shouldnt be visible , i also cant see any advantage to having a scar , i did my research and got repaired , i hope developments within the feild help others.

My plan /strategy worked , grafting into scar improves the actual tissue and im pretty much set now with my repair , Ironmans venom towards my result speaks volumes and is quite telling into his personality and state of mind, hst to him is almost a religious belief,and how dare others question it.

However i hope new developments benefit others

regards

ejj




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Post reply
Chaleston

12.11.2012, 10:41

@ ejj

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

Hey ejj not so tough anymore right? You see there are multioke clinics who charge more for a Graft then Gho.

Alan Baumann 13 Bucks for one Graft Buddy. Oh and bt a lot of clinics say

"We treated more then 50000 patients over the years"

So where are those 50.000 results? All we see are hand picked cases the same ones over and over again.

Or did anyone ever see a new Armani case? I never did

While Gho on the other hand doesnt cherry pick his cases, HE LET THE CASES PROMOTE THEMSELVES

Crazy the industry and its shills like topcat the never to be finished prototype of an moron and ejj the cry baby hater is going down faster then i thought.

I mean they all even lost their 100% of Spencer Kobren and this is funny, when Veterans (LOL) say that Spencer danced around hard questions in the Gho interview, thats what guys like topcat say, youknow topcat the guy with pubic hairs on his head from who we will never see a satisfieing result.




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Post reply
ejj

12.11.2012, 11:33

@ Chaleston

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

funny how you compare Bauman / armani to your prefered clinic , sums things up really, re relevent and competant research

From a cost point of view i believe hst is way more expensive than the belgium clinics that are a couple of hours at most ( by train ) away from your prefered clinic

Quite telling how people react to difficult questions , i understand and empathise with you, that you should feel so threatened , and are therefore defensive, and continue to hurl insults, rather than back statements up with cold hard facts ,but perhaps they are just not there ?

hope im wrong and this is the next big thing, but at the moment im just not sold

never mind, perhaps you can get someone who has bought the franchise for $50 k with `6 months training` to perform this ` incredibly difficult` procedure on yourself , and when you do .... yep please provide pictures as i have done

Regards

ejj




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Post reply
Chaleston

12.11.2012, 11:58

@ ejj

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

» Quite telling how people react to difficult questions , i understand and
» empathise with you, that you should feel so threatened , and are
» therefore defensive, and continue to hurl insults, rather than back
» statements up with cold hard facts ,but perhaps they are just not there ?
»
» hope im wrong and this is the next big thing, but at the moment im just not
» sold
»
» never mind, perhaps you can get someone who has bought the franchise for
» $50 k with `6 months training` to perform this ` incredibly difficult`
» procedure on yourself , and when you do .... yep please provide pictures as
» i have done
»
» Regards
»
» ejj

Why so pi**ed? I mean i wasnt treated with Acell which hasnt even FDA approval for humans :-) You were the guinea pig not me.

I dont compare em, i could have used any other clinic also, its the same more then 1000000000000 transplanted grafts but we see the same old patients. Right now if people take a look, there have been more independent Gho patients recently at forums then any other clinic, tis speaks volumes.

You are only pi**ed because i can proove that other clinics take more for a Graft then Gho. Yes you live in your own fantasy world where Strip is awesome and beard hairs in scars are superbe. Typical sour grapes repair patient thinking.

YOU believe that HST is more epensive then others? Then proove it, Where is your math. Seems to me you only makng things up because your bank account doesnt hold to be going to Gho and therefore "Gho simply cant be because you cant afford it"

Proove it that Gho is more expensive then others. Of course with Gho you could have multiple, multiple sessions (result full head of hair) with traditional its end of the line pretty fast (result no full head of hair)

Gho is my prefered clinic because he actually pushed the envelope rather then cutting away a big slice on the head of patients like you. Believe me a few years down the line you will be disgusted by yourself and your scar.

What difficult questions? I told you how it is, clinic also show only a few patents and thats it but from Gho you want all his stuff, i bet you even anna see if he has a mole around his di*k to be sure thats the real Gho.

Sorry but some one who got multiple strips and is now a repair case and cries all the time, i cant take you seriously.

Facts are, Iron man prevented a lot of people from becoming butcher case files like you and topcat.

I dont feel threatened. WHY should i? I dont work for Gho, i am not Gho. And his clinics are booked out totally :-) Does he feel threatened? Nope absolutely not because he can rely on smart people. The stupid ones like you, get their pubic and beard hair and strips and they are happy in their own little freak world.

The rest goes to Gho, has all available options like shaving down, wearing long, wearing middle etc.

You wanna hear cold facts? Ok here they are

1) topcat will die disfigured and bald (he is done for in terms of hair FOREVER)

2) you will die bald and scarred with freaky sparse hair in scars

3) Plenty independent sources who supports Ghos theories etc

4) The Gho hating camp is losing members drastically, members who go to Gho and after that they are happy

How many Gho hating people are still around?

1) topcat (he has been cut off some brain tisue in the process of his transplants and scalp reductions)

2) ejj (you) the same as topcat without scapl reduction

3) cal (he is just insane and changes opinions on a daily basis)

4) rev (he is not called revtard for nothing)

What have those four in common?

1) no money

2) being old farts

3) some of them scarred and butchered

4) believe in the magic pill

5) reject reality

6) keep telling themselve that their hair is perfect

Should i say more




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ejj

12.11.2012, 16:22
(edited by ejj, 12.11.2012, 16:39)

@ Chaleston

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

»
» You are only pi**ed because i can proove that other clinics take more for a
» Graft then Gho. Yes you live in your own fantasy world where Strip is
» awesome and beard hairs in scars are superbe. Typical sour grapes repair
» patient thinking.
»
» YOU believe that HST is more epensive then others? Then proove it, Where is
» your math. Seems to me you only makng things up because your bank account
» doesnt hold to be going to Gho and therefore "Gho simply cant be because
» you cant afford it"
»
» Proove it that Gho is more expensive then others.



Hasci website 200 - 300 beard = 3250 euros = 10.83 euros per graft

scalp hair 800 - 1000 = 5800 euros = 5.8 euros per graft

scalp hair 1600 - 1800 = 9400 euros = 5.2 euros per graft



bhr beard body = 6 euros per graft

bhr fue = 1000 grafts = 5 euros per graft

bhr fue = 1800 grafts = 4.1 euros per graft


Pro Hair Clinic

1500 grafts scalp = 4250 euros = 2.83 euros per graft



(Hope the above figures are ok if not please feel free to correct me as i compared them quickly )

Im sure if i had nothing else to do i may find someone more expensive, however here are a few comparisons or " maths " as you refer to

as said earlier your reaction is understandable , its not nice to pin so much hope on something only to be dissapointed , i truly empathise with you ,

that said if im right and you have not had a procedure then you still have the option of doing nothing until your completly sure and confident, in your chosen Dr , my advice would be , dont rush into anything and meet as many patients as possible before undergoing any procedure with any Dr

For your information Beard hair like transplanted scalp hair taken from the safe donor area, is also unaffected by DHT so doesnt fall out as you get older , so my scars are good as gone thankfully

Anyway good luck with whatever you decide , im going to respect the threads author and post elsewhere, and leave this thread for the ` scientists ` and ` researchers ` .... who knows if its all not debunked or proven within the next six months i may pop back and blow the dust off this thread


Regards

ejj




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Chaleston

12.11.2012, 17:30

@ ejj

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

I decide the opton to not becoma a repair patient :-) cause a scar will always remain or in your case multiple scars.

You have to be pretty damn dumb to actually get more hair with cutting of the back of your head, i cant understand people being that dumb.

If you would make an correct assesment, its 2,6 Euros per graft with hasci because you get two from one.

Oh and one thing regarding Prohair Clinic......nah dont get me even started on them the had to lower their prices because of Gho :-)

Anyway i can see it now, Iron Man is right, you are one of those ho wants everything cheap cheap cheap and afterwards they are a repair case.

Btw why should i listen to you or topcat? Would you listen to people that do constant mistakes and are proud of it. At BTT nobody actually cares anymore for topcats postings about his major (yawn) repair story. Nor attract his ignorant posts anyone




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moopookoo

12.11.2012, 18:00

@ Chaleston

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

Comparing HST and FUE is not really fair, its like comparing apples and bananas. One regrows donor and the other one does not, thats huge difference in my books(uless you think GCs photos are fakes)


ProHairclinic, are they mob that took Gho to court and lost?




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garmin333

12.11.2012, 18:17

@ moopookoo

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

I have been doing extensive research on the clinics in Belgium and The Netherlands.
My information is gathered from many online sources, especially via the Dutch Forum.
Hasci has quite a bad reputation. I have found several (recent) patients that have gone to Hasci and then got a second treatment at another clinic. You hardly find any good Hasci results, not even on their own website (compared with other top clinics).

So my conclusion for now is that the Hasci method MAY work, but even if it does it only produces sub par end results. Obviously they are NOT on my short list, results count!




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moopookoo

12.11.2012, 18:42

@ garmin333

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

» I have been doing extensive research on the clinics in Belgium and The
» Netherlands.
» My information is gathered from many online sources, especially via the
» Dutch Forum.
» Hasci has quite a bad reputation. I have found several (recent) patients
» that have gone to Hasci and then got a second treatment at another clinic.
» You hardly find any good Hasci results, not even on their own website
» (compared with other top clinics).
»
» So my conclusion for now is that the Hasci method MAY work, but even if it
» does it only produces sub par end results. Obviously they are NOT on my
» short list, results count!


Can you provide sources where you found info about unhappy patients, you are to broad.

Regardless if thats true or not my biggest worry is that we havent seen any significant transformations done by hasci, yes their photo galery sucks.




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JJJ Jr. S

12.11.2012, 19:53

@ ccmethinning

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

» Iron_Man,
»
» You really are under-appreciated and misunderstood. When HST becomes the
» new gold standard, you will have played a significant part in making it
» that.
»
» Your hard-hitting analysis and unrelenting pursuit of the truth has indeed
» set the bar high among hair-loss consumers. Gho, in the long run, will have
» to prove his procedure beyond all doubts by himself, but your contributions
» will allow us to get there. You analysis has brought attention and interest
» to HST. It has driven people to demand answers about HST that will allow it
» to drive into surgical hair restoration preeminence as a cutting edge
» procedure, much like FUT did to plugs and FUE to FUT.
»
» Furthermore, your pursuit of the truth has acted as a valuable equalizing
» balance to a corrupt industry. You have debunked many a hair loss sc*m,
» brought attention to the follies that are RepliCel, Histogen, and Aderans,
» and set standards of honesty and transparency that hair loss consumers will
» demand.
»
» And for this, we thank you Iron_Man, the unsung and much maligned hero of
» this crazy hair loss world.

The main reason I registered to post on these forums is because of Iron_Man's analysis of gc83uk. For years I just read the forums, but was never interested enough to post until I verified gc83uk's donor regeneration myself.




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Iron_Man

27.11.2012, 16:37

@ caddarik79

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

» 84,9% after how long?

After 2597 days, 17 hours, 8 minutes and 57.67 seconds - what a funny question.
[image]
Why couldn’t we never ever see such macro-photos from traditional FUE doctors??

I mean, jokers in this industry still claim this ...
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-111967-page-0-category-2-order-last_answer.html




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JJJ Jr. S

04.01.2013, 03:26

@ Iron_Man

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

IM, now that gc is going for his third procedure in a couple of weeks, can you reupload these pictures?




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clarence

22.01.2013, 21:01

@ JJJ Jr. S

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

No objective and scientific way? Well what is the difficulty, HairSite? You take take a set of 50 grafts in the donor. You take a picture, where all 50 can be clearly seen. You take a picture of the recipient. There. Now you send his butt to Gho's. Later on, you take new pictures of both the donor and the recipient. You may utilize birthmarks, scars or tattoos, if you are unsure of how to verify, that we are seeing the same area. Then just do the arithmetic. But first, let's ask, is there something wrong with Ironman's and gcuk's documentation? I mean, are not objective and scientific? Am I missing something big here, because I'm not a math major?




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clarence

23.01.2013, 22:52

@ clarence

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

Only silence... c'mon!!

How do we get this HairSite guy to take his head out of his ass and stop making something very complicated out of a fairly simple task? Just lets get this over with, already??




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Skywalker

The Corridor of Uncertainty,
27.01.2013, 02:05

@ clarence

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

» Only silence... c'mon!!
»
» How do we get this HairSite guy to take his head out of his ass and stop
» making something very complicated out of a fairly simple task? Just lets
» get this over with, already??

Clarence, why don't YOU just do it, if I could have persuaded Dr Gho to give me the 50 graft trial I would have done it myself, if you know how to persuade him then just get on with it and stop complaining that others are not delivering for you.
:sleeping:




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Skywalker

The Corridor of Uncertainty,
27.01.2013, 02:18

@ garmin333

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

» I have been doing extensive research on the clinics in Belgium and The
» Netherlands.
» My information is gathered from many online sources, especially via the
» Dutch Forum.
» Hasci has quite a bad reputation. I have found several (recent) patients
» that have gone to Hasci and then got a second treatment at another clinic.
»

garmin333, you show no evidence for any of this - who are these people you speak of ?

Furthermore you say:

» There is overwhelming evidence that donor area of mega FUE sessions looked » untouched

This is just nonsense - most mega FUE sessions will not leave a person with an appearance of an untouched donor area. I notice you also like to throw around the word "fact" when you are just giving a dodgy opinion.

You may not believe in HST and that's fair enough - but the rest of what you say here in the examples I have shown isn't.




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clarence

27.01.2013, 19:29

@ Skywalker

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

» » Only silence... c'mon!!
» »
» » How do we get this HairSite guy to take his head out of his ass and stop
» » making something very complicated out of a fairly simple task? Just lets
» » get this over with, already??
»
» Clarence, why don't YOU just do it, if I could have persuaded Dr Gho to
» give me the 50 graft trial I would have done it myself, if you know how to
» persuade him then just get on with it and stop complaining that others are
» not delivering for you.
» :sleeping:

I would have taken my complaints elsewhere, if I would have known why we have no "objective and independently verifiable protocol that can prove, conclusively and definitively with scientific hair count to ascertain whether Dr. Gho's HST tecnhique works and to what extent it works" (quoted HairSite). I understand the reason, IF the complication is Dr. Gho refusing to do 50 and only 50 grafts in one procedure (I wasn't aware he would refuse). But no reasons at all were stated on the Gho page.




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Skywalker

The Corridor of Uncertainty,
27.01.2013, 23:18

@ clarence

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

»
» IF the complication is Dr. Gho refusing to do 50 and only 50 grafts in one
» procedure (I wasn't aware he would refuse). But no reasons at all were stated » on the Gho page.
»

Dr Gho refused to do 50 grafts for me because he said my case was straightforward, he'll only do it for what he thinks are harder cases (I think this would mean darker skin) - I figure this is because he loses money on a 50 graft job and he doesn't need to accommodate me because he is swamped with work.




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moopookoo

28.01.2013, 04:26

@ Skywalker

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

to be honest i find it hard to believe that after 7 years of HST and endless debates we still dont know for sure, it only takes 50 graft test and some counting of both donor and recepient and we would know what regenerates and how much, etc

Hair site or Spencer could finance it, it would cost around $1000




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clarence

02.02.2013, 23:41

@ moopookoo

gc83uk – Collection of independent HM photos for (scientific) evaluations

A 50 grafts trial would surely settle it, but what to do if the quantity of grafts Gho will accept doing makes counting a real pain?

Well I have a novel idea! Someone getting a HST procedure to get his hair fixed will have the opportunity to request that the HASCI clinic extracts 50 body hair grafts, and places these 50 body hair grafts somewhere else on the body during the same sessions as they do the scalp. Or does HST only work for alopecia affected areas?




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