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Steve78

01.10.2009, 02:15
 

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure? (Hair Multiplication & Stem Cells Treatment)

Poll Vote
 I want to estimate how much this hair multiplication business is worth. So please tell me how much are you willing to pay for a cure to have a full head of hair?
11% (4) No more than $10,000
19% (7) $10,000 to $20,000
32% (12) $20,000 to $30,000
5% (2) $30,000 to $40,000
5% (2) $40,000 to $50,000
3% (1) $50,000 to $75,000
16% (6) $75,000 to $100,000
8% (3) I dont care how much, I will sell my kidney, lie, steal, cheat, and rob the bank to get whatever $$$$ is required to have my hair back
  37 voters have answered this question.

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Dogstar

01.10.2009, 03:05

@ Steve78

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure?

The real question is how much can you afford. Some of the prices being mentioned by the likes of Trichoscience are completely ridiculous. The majority of bald men are average working men who will never be able to pay 30 grand for a treatment. It doesn't matter how much they want it, in the real world not many people will be able to pay for it.




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fckhrls

01.10.2009, 06:35

@ Steve78

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure?

What would be the quality of the cure? NW7 to NW1?




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krapok

01.10.2009, 10:52

@ Dogstar

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure?

» The real question is how much can you afford. Some of the prices being
» mentioned by the likes of Trichoscience are completely ridiculous. The
» majority of bald men are average working men who will never be able to pay
» 30 grand for a treatment. It doesn't matter how much they want it, in the
» real world not many people will be able to pay for it.


~30$ - yea, cure for all :)

i think so too that men 35+ years old who has plenty of money can afford it. i think most of young men/women cant afford it. how can this be cure for all then? :S it's cure for rich people only :)

interesting, if there will come out permanent cure for HIV/AIDS in the future, do they ask so big or even bigger money from patients too? "if you pay,then you can live, if you don't you gonna die soon." crazy to think about this so




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Bateman

01.10.2009, 11:28

@ fckhrls

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure?

» What would be the quality of the cure? NW7 to NW1?

Initially I think this solution will be expensive. Yes it could cost anywhere in this range like all things of this nature. Eventually it will become reasonable as did Lasik eye surgery. The cost within the first 5 -10 years will scale down to a reasonable amount. You have to take into account the cost of setting up labs all over the world which will be very expensive. It follows the same logic as silicon-economics.




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ipod

01.10.2009, 16:09

@ Steve78

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure?

Are you talking about a 1 time payment that s all? Never again do I have to pay for my hair after a 1 time payment? I am willing to pay up to $30K for that. However if you are thinking $30K to get my hair back and they will fall again in a few years and I have to keep paying to maintain the hair, then forget it, I won't pay a penny for that.




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cal

01.10.2009, 16:51

@ ipod

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure?

» Are you talking about a 1 time payment that s all? Never again do I have to
» pay for my hair after a 1 time payment? I am willing to pay up to $30K for
» that. However if you are thinking $30K to get my hair back and they will
» fall again in a few years and I have to keep paying to maintain the hair,
» then forget it, I won't pay a penny for that.

For the purposes of discussion I think we're assuming a one-time cost here. Or these numbers are the total for 10-20 years with hair, etc.


Dropping $30,000 to get the hair back, and then losing all the hairs after 5 years & having to pay another $30,000 . . . I think we would all agree that this is a different situation.


I don't think we're gonna be dealing with this issue in any big way, honestly. Any restarted hairs will not have had the decades of cumulative androgen exposure that your lost hairs have. And they will never experience the huge wallop of androgen exposure that occurs during puberty & really gets the MPB snowball rolling in the first place. I assume they would still thin over time somewhat but nothing like the MPB we have already experienced.




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Steve78

01.10.2009, 17:00

@ Dogstar

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure?

» The real question is how much can you afford. Some of the prices being
» mentioned by the likes of Trichoscience are completely ridiculous. The
» majority of bald men are average working men who will never be able to pay
» 30 grand for a treatment. It doesn't matter how much they want it, in the
» real world not many people will be able to pay for it.

Affordability is already implied in my question. There's no point in answering that you will pay $100,000 if you couldn't even afford it in the first place.




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Steve78

01.10.2009, 17:03

@ fckhrls

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure?

» What would be the quality of the cure? NW7 to NW1?

Yeah, a cure is a cure, my definition of a cure is whatever treatment that can restore your original state, in other words yes, from NW7 to NW1.




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Steve78

01.10.2009, 17:05

@ ipod

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure?

» Are you talking about a 1 time payment that s all? Never again do I have to
» pay for my hair after a 1 time payment? I am willing to pay up to $30K for
» that. However if you are thinking $30K to get my hair back and they will
» fall again in a few years and I have to keep paying to maintain the hair,
» then forget it, I won't pay a penny for that.

I can't believe everyone is asking these questions, of course it's a one time payment or this poll will be totally meaningless. Geez




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AJ

01.10.2009, 19:45

@ Steve78

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure?

I would pay whatever it would take to get me to the front of the line (assuming it was 100% safe and effective). I would easily pay 250K if that's what it took, and I wouldn't even think about it. I know I'm not paying a paltry 30K if I have to wait in line for 3 years.




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fckhrls

01.10.2009, 20:09

@ AJ

Well, men already pay $10-20K for HTs

$20K for HTs that only delay the inevitable and rarely produce an any-style-looks-good result, so you can probably double or even triple that for a procedure that provides a non-surgical solution with a better outcome.




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johnp

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01.10.2009, 20:30

@ Steve78

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure?

To those who voted $10K or less, a hair transplant can easily cost over $10K these days, do you think that these companies will sell you a baldness cure for under $10K? dream on



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cal

01.10.2009, 21:18

@ johnp

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure?

In the long run, plain old supply & demand will push this thing as cheap as it can go.


They may have priced Propecia at several hundred bucks a year . . . but they also didn't try to squeeze a tiny rich portion of the population for tens of thousands of dollars per year for the first decade, either. They aimed for middle-class affordable right out of the gate.

I'm not saying HM has to go exactly the same way but the point holds - In the long run there will always be more money in a cheap MPB solution than an expensive one.




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Bateman

01.10.2009, 22:40

@ cal

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure?

» In the long run, plain old supply & demand will push this thing as cheap as
» it can go.
»
»
» They may have priced Propecia at several hundred bucks a year . . . but
» they also didn't try to squeeze a tiny rich portion of the population for
» tens of thousands of dollars per year for the first decade, either. They
» aimed for middle-class affordable right out of the gate.
»
» I'm not saying HM has to go exactly the same way but the point holds - In
» the long run there will always be more money in a cheap MPB solution than
» an expensive one.

ya, but it didn't work that well for many people and from what i understand women can't use it either. It's also not a permanent solution. I guess if you use it over 20-30 years it adds up not to mention the side effects.




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cal

01.10.2009, 23:33

@ Bateman

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure?

(sigh)

Man, do you really think I'm literally equating the two products? The launching of Propecia, compared to a real HM solution?



I'm trying to argue that the business model of Propecia was very telling.

They were trying to launch a pill that would be an easy permanent way to stop most hair loss and it had virtually no side effects for anyone. (Yes, of course that's not what it turned out to be now that we have a decade of hindsight. But that is what the company marketing planners had originally BELIEVED it would be.)


There are pills in the pharmaceutical world that cost hundreds of dollars a month. Many thousands of bucks a year. They could have done this with Propecia and yet they chose not to. Right from the start, they calculated that there would be more money from a MPB treatment that was middle-class cheap than exclusively priced for a few buyers. This calculation is relevant to HM.




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Mr. Frodo

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02.10.2009, 03:38

@ krapok

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure?

» interesting, if there will come out permanent cure for HIV/AIDS in the
» future, do they ask so big or even bigger money from patients too? "if you
» pay,then you can live, if you don't you gonna die soon." crazy to think
» about this so

that s exactly how it works in the US, you have a problem with that? that s what we call human rights in this country, for middle class americans, we have the choice of either food or health care, pick one. if u dont have money then u deserve to die.




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hairman2

02.10.2009, 12:49

@ Steve78

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure?

» » Are you talking about a 1 time payment that s all? Never again do I have
» to
» » pay for my hair after a 1 time payment? I am willing to pay up to $30K
» for
» » that. However if you are thinking $30K to get my hair back and they
» will
» » fall again in a few years and I have to keep paying to maintain the
» hair,
» » then forget it, I won't pay a penny for that.
»
» I can't believe everyone is asking these questions, of course it's a one
» time payment or this poll will be totally meaningless. Geez

The poll IS totally meaningless




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BALDIE-IS-BACK-GO

02.10.2009, 14:37

@ hairman2

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure?

» » » Are you talking about a 1 time payment that s all? Never again do I
» have
» » to
» » » pay for my hair after a 1 time payment? I am willing to pay up to
» $30K
» » for
» » » that. However if you are thinking $30K to get my hair back and they
» » will
» » » fall again in a few years and I have to keep paying to maintain the
» » hair,
» » » then forget it, I won't pay a penny for that.
» »
» » I can't believe everyone is asking these questions, of course it's a
» one
» » time payment or this poll will be totally meaningless. Geez
»
» The poll IS totally meaningless

Spot on hairman2 - A big meaningless at that - When the cure comes out perhaps we'll all be glad to be hairy and older,but not wiser!!!




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bdbx18

02.10.2009, 15:28

@ BALDIE-IS-BACK-GO

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure?

I may have had it worse than most, early HTs with bad results and scarring complemented with accelerated hairloss from all those work. So much so that I have to spent time and effort every morning to 'fix' things up, sometimes multiple times a day.

Topple that with years of of monies spent on dermatch, toppik, couvre, hairspray as well as propecia and whatever chemicals that was purported to be effective for the time.

Oh not to mention, pillow cases, bedsheets, showers that have been stained from the cover-up stuff...

I am also very certain that career movements have been hampered by my balding 'looks', not being the youthful looking guy I once was. And (I dread to think) some may be even on to me that I'm using cover-ups, dermatch, toppik to cover up my balding spots, another major demerit. Which of course, doesn't bode well with a confident, inspiring demeanor as well. Thus, factor in the income losses into the picture.

Plus the ability to be able to actually swim in public pools, not avoid convertibles or any wind in general...

Stopping short of dipping into my kid's college fund and hinged on my ability to repay back, I would gladly beg, steal or borrow hundreds of thousands ($$$) to get a full set of hair back.




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Steve78

02.10.2009, 16:58

@ hairman2

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure?

» The poll IS totally meaningless

so is your post.

buzz off if you have nothing productive to contribute.




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gman

02.10.2009, 17:53

@ bdbx18

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure?

» I may have had it worse than most, early HTs with bad results and scarring
» complemented with accelerated hairloss from all those work. So much so
» that I have to spent time and effort every morning to 'fix' things up,
» sometimes multiple times a day.
»
» Topple that with years of of monies spent on dermatch, toppik, couvre,
» hairspray as well as propecia and whatever chemicals that was purported to
» be effective for the time.
»
» Oh not to mention, pillow cases, bedsheets, showers that have been stained
» from the cover-up stuff...
»
» I am also very certain that career movements have been hampered by my
» balding 'looks', not being the youthful looking guy I once was. And (I
» dread to think) some may be even on to me that I'm using cover-ups,
» dermatch, toppik to cover up my balding spots, another major demerit.
» Which of course, doesn't bode well with a confident, inspiring demeanor as
» well. Thus, factor in the income losses into the picture.
»
» Plus the ability to be able to actually swim in public pools, not avoid
» convertibles or any wind in general...
»
» Stopping short of dipping into my kid's college fund and hinged on my
» ability to repay back, I would gladly beg, steal or borrow hundreds of
» thousands ($$$) to get a full set of hair back.

There is hope on the horizon.




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nsmnyc

02.10.2009, 19:08

@ Steve78

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure?

» » The poll IS totally meaningless
»
» so is your post.
»
» buzz off if you have nothing productive to contribute.

well, I do think there is validity in your question of cost. Right off, I would say, the method of dispersion, skill of dispersion and technique, all would necessitate a realistic lower cost vs a hair transplant, If all it is is an injectible or soluble solution placed on top of the head, though I feel it may be the former, either of these is much much lower in needed skill then a HT, so how could the cost be so high as even 20000? I think it should in no way exceed 10000 and in fact be a lot lower.




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therapy

02.10.2009, 19:28

@ nsmnyc

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure?

» » » The poll IS totally meaningless
» »
» » so is your post.
» »
» » buzz off if you have nothing productive to contribute.
»
» well, I do think there is validity in your question of cost. Right off, I
» would say, the method of dispersion, skill of dispersion and technique, all
» would necessitate a realistic lower cost vs a hair transplant, If all it is
» is an injectible or soluble solution placed on top of the head, though I
» feel it may be the former, either of these is much much lower in needed
» skill then a HT, so how could the cost be so high as even 20000? I think it
» should in no way exceed 10000 and in fact be a lot lower.

Well said, you are correct the cost to provide the treatment should be substantially less in comparison to hair transplant. The only unknown is the culturing of cells (if that's the treatment involves) and I don't know how expensive it is to culture the cells in a lab. Personally I would not pay over $30K for the treatment, even 30K is very expensive in my opinion.




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AJ

02.10.2009, 20:06

@ therapy

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure?

» » » » The poll IS totally meaningless
» » »
» » » so is your post.
» » »
» » » buzz off if you have nothing productive to contribute.
» »
» » well, I do think there is validity in your question of cost. Right off,
» I
» » would say, the method of dispersion, skill of dispersion and technique,
» all
» » would necessitate a realistic lower cost vs a hair transplant, If all it
» is
» » is an injectible or soluble solution placed on top of the head, though
» I
» » feel it may be the former, either of these is much much lower in needed
» » skill then a HT, so how could the cost be so high as even 20000? I think
» it
» » should in no way exceed 10000 and in fact be a lot lower.
»
» Well said, you are correct the cost to provide the treatment should be
» substantially less in comparison to hair transplant. The only unknown is
» the culturing of cells (if that's the treatment involves) and I don't know
» how expensive it is to culture the cells in a lab. Personally I would not
» pay over $30K for the treatment, even 30K is very expensive in my opinion.

The initial cost will have nothing to do with the amount of skill needed. It will be supply/demand. If this truly is a 100% safe and effective treatment, and there are 10 million guys that want to get it done, and there is only enough "bandwidth" to process 1000 guys per day, there is only one way to make sure that I get ahead of you in line. That is $$$$.

Only after time (years) when the supply increases, will the cost come down. They aren't going to release this one day, and then automatically have thousands of clinics performing this the next day. It takes time to build out the supply. Which is why 30K seems awfully cheap to me. Maybe after 5 years have gone by it might be 10K. But if this truly is a procedure that can restore 100% of your hair safely and effectively, there is no way it will be 10K to start off with.

And for those who think 30K is expensive, would you rather have a new car or all your hair back. There isn't a right or wrong answer to that question, it just says what your priorities are. Me personally, I would rather have all my hair back than a new house.




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nsmnyc

02.10.2009, 23:23

@ AJ

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure?

» » » » » The poll IS totally meaningless
» » » »
» » » » so is your post.
» » » »
» » » » buzz off if you have nothing productive to contribute.
» » »
» » » well, I do think there is validity in your question of cost. Right
» off,
» » I
» » » would say, the method of dispersion, skill of dispersion and
» technique,
» » all
» » » would necessitate a realistic lower cost vs a hair transplant, If all
» it
» » is
» » » is an injectible or soluble solution placed on top of the head,
» though
» » I
» » » feel it may be the former, either of these is much much lower in
» needed
» » » skill then a HT, so how could the cost be so high as even 20000? I
» think
» » it
» » » should in no way exceed 10000 and in fact be a lot lower.
» »
» » Well said, you are correct the cost to provide the treatment should be
» » substantially less in comparison to hair transplant. The only unknown
» is
» » the culturing of cells (if that's the treatment involves) and I don't
» know
» » how expensive it is to culture the cells in a lab. Personally I would
» not
» » pay over $30K for the treatment, even 30K is very expensive in my
» opinion.
»
» The initial cost will have nothing to do with the amount of skill needed.
» It will be supply/demand. If this truly is a 100% safe and effective
» treatment, and there are 10 million guys that want to get it done, and
» there is only enough "bandwidth" to process 1000 guys per day, there is
» only one way to make sure that I get ahead of you in line. That is $$$$.
»
» Only after time (years) when the supply increases, will the cost come
» down. They aren't going to release this one day, and then automatically
» have thousands of clinics performing this the next day. It takes time to
» build out the supply. Which is why 30K seems awfully cheap to me. Maybe
» after 5 years have gone by it might be 10K. But if this truly is a
» procedure that can restore 100% of your hair safely and effectively, there
» is no way it will be 10K to start off with.
»
» And for those who think 30K is expensive, would you rather have a new car
» or all your hair back. There isn't a right or wrong answer to that
» question, it just says what your priorities are. Me personally, I would
» rather have all my hair back than a new house.

Obviously the initial investment costs are going to be wanted to be recouped, and there is the supply demand issue. Though, this is not going to be an immediate or long term finite commodity, it is dependent on the number of clinics trained which can be infinite, and grow exponentially quick. Initial cost will be high, but 5 years? No. It would behoove this company to ramp up quick, and to have much supply in the market, so as to saturate it with their product before others provide similar cures, which they are doing. This will not be the only one, and it will be very competitive looking at the number of players coming into it. So as far as supply and demand? We will be the winners, the price will be down fast. So I look at price as an equation of it's value on a curve over time towards it's true market value. Why would I answer this question in a vacuum of how much my hair is worth to me? if that were the case, then I would say it is infinite in its value, though I would say the same about food..water..which are much much more important and truly needed by me. Yet, food is cheap, and water free. Water is almost a scarce commodity in some locals, that being fresh water. So reality is this will not be scarce based on competition and the need for Trichoscience, Aderans, Histogen..etc to be distributors who create many and long lasting agreements and relationships, with as many clinics as possible. So the price I give again, is based on skill and the market value, and as someone pointed out to me, I do need to factor in the skill of needed culturing, yet otherwise, the procedure is needing much less skill than an HT. They can still make a killing, because there will always be new customers, in the 100s of millions every new generation. It actually makes more sense to price the value of your product in a place where you increase to a larger band of potential customers, than a smaller niche band of customers who can afford the high price point. If I were them, and wanted to recoup my costs and be competitive, I would make sure it is a price that is reasonable to a sizebale amount of the masses. I would say realistically as a first price point, IF a NW1 cure ONLY though, as no one will pay a DIME above a few grand for something temporary but if its permanent, then between 15,000-18,000. Then, as they wanted to make it affordable for greater numbers of men, and increase their market base, move towards 10,000. Only time will tell on which side of 10,000 they will need to be +/- a few thousand.

I apologize if you don't agree with my business sense. Yet, if I had a valuable product and I wanted to make SERIOUS money, I would take into account that there are 100s of millions in third world countries where the vast majority of the world lives, who cannot afford more than 10,000 but would be willing to take out a loan or work their lives for this money to deal with this issue. I do not think small, and I would find them foolish if they were not thinking about getting it out quick to compete with others who WILL do this once they find a valuable HM solution. Think about it: $30,000 x 10,000,000 customers VS $10,000 x 100,000,000 customers...




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AJ

03.10.2009, 02:03

@ nsmnyc

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure?

Wow. That was one long paragraph. Very hard to read.

Here's the thing. You don't price the product initially to appeal to the masses. While it might be true that I can sell more if I price it lower and make more money that way, that only works if you have the supply. And that won't be the case for a few years.

When the supply is low, which will be the case for the first few years, you can charge pretty much whatever you want, as you continue to build out supply. It's not a matter of not wanting to build out supply quickly. Of course they will want to do that. As you said, you make more money that way. But the reality is, it takes time. Supply will be short the first few years no matter how quickly they desire to do it. This isn't a factory where you just push a button and make the assembly line go faster.

If I have 10 million guys in line, but I can only service 300,000 in the first year, who cares if 9.7 million won't pay 30K. I can't get to them anyway. If I only charge those 300,000 10K, I've just lost 6 million dollars, because I guarantee that those 300,000 would pay 30K and probably more. I can only service those 300,000 the first year because of my limited supply, so I charge what they will pay. And out of 10,000,000, there will probably be at least 100,000 that would pay 100K. Why leave that money on the table when it's going to take time to build out supply?

But don't worry. Your time will come. You will just have to wait if you aren't willing to pay in the beginning. By the second year, they might be servicing a million guys a year. 3rd year maybe 2 or 3 million. By the 4th or 5th year, they will have plenty of supply, and the price will be in the range that you deem appropriate.

Of course this all assumes a working protocol that is 100% safe and effective. If this is only marginally better than a HT, then none of the above applies, because there will be less men interested, and thus sufficient supply and lower cost.




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cal

03.10.2009, 02:16

@ AJ

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure?

So get a big round of HTs as soon as it becomes clear that HM is inexorably coming to market. Problem solved.




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Dogstar

03.10.2009, 03:00

@ AJ

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure?

» Wow. That was one long paragraph. Very hard to read.
»
» Here's the thing. You don't price the product initially to appeal to the
» masses. While it might be true that I can sell more if I price it lower
» and make more money that way, that only works if you have the supply. And
» that won't be the case for a few years.
»
» When the supply is low, which will be the case for the first few years,
» you can charge pretty much whatever you want, as you continue to build out
» supply. It's not a matter of not wanting to build out supply quickly. Of
» course they will want to do that. As you said, you make more money that
» way. But the reality is, it takes time. Supply will be short the first
» few years no matter how quickly they desire to do it. This isn't a factory
» where you just push a button and make the assembly line go faster.
»
» If I have 10 million guys in line, but I can only service 300,000 in the
» first year, who cares if 9.7 million won't pay 30K. I can't get to them
» anyway. If I only charge those 300,000 10K, I've just lost 6 million
» dollars, because I guarantee that those 300,000 would pay 30K and probably
» more. I can only service those 300,000 the first year because of my
» limited supply, so I charge what they will pay. And out of 10,000,000,
» there will probably be at least 100,000 that would pay 100K. Why leave
» that money on the table when it's going to take time to build out supply?
»
» But don't worry. Your time will come. You will just have to wait if you
» aren't willing to pay in the beginning. By the second year, they might be
» servicing a million guys a year. 3rd year maybe 2 or 3 million. By the
» 4th or 5th year, they will have plenty of supply, and the price will be in
» the range that you deem appropriate.
»
» Of course this all assumes a working protocol that is 100% safe and
» effective. If this is only marginally better than a HT, then none of the
» above applies, because there will be less men interested, and thus
» sufficient supply and lower cost.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about, you sound like a spoilt brat having a panic attack.




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hair101

Miami,
03.10.2009, 03:38

@ AJ

$30K is not expensive

» And for those who think 30K is expensive, would you rather have a new car
» or all your hair back. There isn't a right or wrong answer to that
» question, it just says what your priorities are. Me personally, I would
» rather have all my hair back than a new house.

30K is not expensive for a cure, if we are truly paying for a cure, that means we can stop using products like Propecia and Rogaine. I am sure most of us pay close to 100 a month for products just to hang on to our hair

100 a month,
1 year = 1200
10 years = 12K
30 years = 36K

If you look at the numbers, 30K for a cure is very reasonable.




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AJ

03.10.2009, 05:37

@ Dogstar

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure?

» » Wow. That was one long paragraph. Very hard to read.
» »
» » Here's the thing. You don't price the product initially to appeal to
» the
» » masses. While it might be true that I can sell more if I price it
» lower
» » and make more money that way, that only works if you have the supply.
» And
» » that won't be the case for a few years.
» »
» » When the supply is low, which will be the case for the first few years,
» » you can charge pretty much whatever you want, as you continue to build
» out
» » supply. It's not a matter of not wanting to build out supply quickly.
» Of
» » course they will want to do that. As you said, you make more money
» that
» » way. But the reality is, it takes time. Supply will be short the
» first
» » few years no matter how quickly they desire to do it. This isn't a
» factory
» » where you just push a button and make the assembly line go faster.
» »
» » If I have 10 million guys in line, but I can only service 300,000 in
» the
» » first year, who cares if 9.7 million won't pay 30K. I can't get to
» them
» » anyway. If I only charge those 300,000 10K, I've just lost 6 million
» » dollars, because I guarantee that those 300,000 would pay 30K and
» probably
» » more. I can only service those 300,000 the first year because of my
» » limited supply, so I charge what they will pay. And out of 10,000,000,
» » there will probably be at least 100,000 that would pay 100K. Why leave
» » that money on the table when it's going to take time to build out
» supply?
» »
» » But don't worry. Your time will come. You will just have to wait if
» you
» » aren't willing to pay in the beginning. By the second year, they might
» be
» » servicing a million guys a year. 3rd year maybe 2 or 3 million. By
» the
» » 4th or 5th year, they will have plenty of supply, and the price will be
» in
» » the range that you deem appropriate.
» »
» » Of course this all assumes a working protocol that is 100% safe and
» » effective. If this is only marginally better than a HT, then none of
» the
» » above applies, because there will be less men interested, and thus
» » sufficient supply and lower cost.
»
» You don't have a clue what you're talking about, you sound like a spoilt
» brat having a panic attack.

What are you talking about? All I'm trying to do is explain how supply/demand will prevent this from being 10K the first year as many people seem to hope. People seem to be using their emotions to justify 10K instead of realizing how the business world really works.

It seems to me that since your facts consist of calling me a "spoilt brat having a panic attack", that you have nothing to add to this discussion. Ad hominem attacks are a common technique from people who have lost the argument, so what the hell, call him a name.

I'm more than happy to have a discussion with you, but I'm not going to get into a name-calling spat with you.




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nsmnyc

03.10.2009, 06:23

@ AJ

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure?

» » » Wow. That was one long paragraph. Very hard to read.
» » »
» » » Here's the thing. You don't price the product initially to appeal to
» » the
» » » masses. While it might be true that I can sell more if I price it
» » lower
» » » and make more money that way, that only works if you have the supply.
»
» » And
» » » that won't be the case for a few years.
» » »
» » » When the supply is low, which will be the case for the first few
» years,
» » » you can charge pretty much whatever you want, as you continue to
» build
» » out
» » » supply. It's not a matter of not wanting to build out supply quickly.
»
» » Of
» » » course they will want to do that. As you said, you make more money
» » that
» » » way. But the reality is, it takes time. Supply will be short the
» » first
» » » few years no matter how quickly they desire to do it. This isn't a
» » factory
» » » where you just push a button and make the assembly line go faster.
» » »
» » » If I have 10 million guys in line, but I can only service 300,000 in
» » the
» » » first year, who cares if 9.7 million won't pay 30K. I can't get to
» » them
» » » anyway. If I only charge those 300,000 10K, I've just lost 6 million
» » » dollars, because I guarantee that those 300,000 would pay 30K and
» » probably
» » » more. I can only service those 300,000 the first year because of my
» » » limited supply, so I charge what they will pay. And out of
» 10,000,000,
» » » there will probably be at least 100,000 that would pay 100K. Why
» leave
» » » that money on the table when it's going to take time to build out
» » supply?
» » »
» » » But don't worry. Your time will come. You will just have to wait if
» » you
» » » aren't willing to pay in the beginning. By the second year, they
» might
» » be
» » » servicing a million guys a year. 3rd year maybe 2 or 3 million. By
» » the
» » » 4th or 5th year, they will have plenty of supply, and the price will
» be
» » in
» » » the range that you deem appropriate.
» » »
» » » Of course this all assumes a working protocol that is 100% safe and
» » » effective. If this is only marginally better than a HT, then none of
» » the
» » » above applies, because there will be less men interested, and thus
» » » sufficient supply and lower cost.
» »
» » You don't have a clue what you're talking about, you sound like a
» spoilt
» » brat having a panic attack.
»
» What are you talking about? All I'm trying to do is explain how
» supply/demand will prevent this from being 10K the first year as many
» people seem to hope. People seem to be using their emotions to justify 10K
» instead of realizing how the business world really works.»

Is this statement for me? Then I would say you are wrong on both. I am not being emotional, and I am quite experienced building and running businesses as well as have business degrees, and I even have experience doing business consulting. By the way, I never stated it would be 10k the first year, I said it would not take 5 because I do not believe it will or should start as high as 30k. Though I did state a much higher price closer to 20k. We are actually speaking and agreeing that the supply (ie ability to bring up trained practioners and approved clinics) would take a while and the price would start higher. I just don't agree with 30k, so we can agree to disagree, and right now neither of us has any other industry benchmark besides HT to compare it to and to prove what the market would bear. All I can say, is prices will shift quick if they start too high.


» It seems to me that since your facts consist of calling me a "spoilt brat
» having a panic attack", that you have nothing to add to this discussion.
» Ad hominem attacks are a common technique from people who have lost the
» argument, so what the hell, call him a name.
»
» I'm more than happy to have a discussion with you, but I'm not going to
» get into a name-calling spat with you.




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Dogstar

03.10.2009, 06:54

@ nsmnyc

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure?

» Is this statement for me? Then I would say you are wrong on both. I am not
» being emotional, and I am quite experienced building and running businesses
» as well as have business degrees, and I even have experience doing business
» consulting. By the way, I never stated it would be 10k the first year, I
» said it would not take 5 because I do not believe it will or should start
» as high as 30k. Though I did state a much higher price closer to 20k. We
» are actually speaking and agreeing that the supply (ie ability to bring up
» trained practioners and approved clinics) would take a while and the price
» would start higher. I just don't agree with 30k, so we can agree to
» disagree, and right now neither of us has any other industry benchmark
» besides HT to compare it to and to prove what the market would bear. All I
» can say, is prices will shift quick if they start too high.


We could use the little bits of information that some of the companies working on this have given us, like Trichoscience saying they believed their treatment would cost from $16,500 - $29,500. The reason for the $13,000 difference is because they say it would take one or more treatments. We could also take into account the fact that they said it would take one weekend for a technician to be trained to administer it. And one more thing we could consider is them saying it could be done in any medical or dermatological clinic, which is the same thing Follica said about their treatment.




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barnie

03.10.2009, 10:31

@ gman

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure?

»» There is hope on the horizon.

Please explain us. What is your hope based on?




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vivace67

03.10.2009, 19:55

@ AJ

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure?

» I would pay whatever it would take to get me to the front of the line
» (assuming it was 100% safe and effective). I would easily pay 250K if
» that's what it took, and I wouldn't even think about it. I know I'm not
» paying a paltry 30K if I have to wait in line for 3 years.

Peopole are paying $10/pill to get an erection...it cost pennies to make the pill. They are profiting from the research and getting what the can get from the market over a long-term period....

Getting $250K for a permanent full head of hair is not viable. Also, your comment on charging more in the fist few years is nonsense. It does not work that way.

The reasonable price could be anywhere from $20K to $100K.

One research firm out of Canada has already stated they will be charging from $16K to $30K for their impending solution, if it ever works on humans.




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vivace67

03.10.2009, 20:07

@ Dogstar

How much you willing to pay for a hair loss cure?

» We could use the little bits of information that some of the companies
» working on this have given us, like Trichoscience saying they believed
» their treatment would cost from $16,500 - $29,500. The reason for the
» $13,000 difference is because they say it would take one or more
» treatments. We could also take into account the fact that they said it
» would take one weekend for a technician to be trained to administer it. And
» one more thing we could consider is them saying it could be done in any
» medical or dermatological clinic, which is the same thing Follica said
» about their treatment.

treatment will probably be somewhere between $20K to $100K...the $100K will have more attention to detail...

the mass market does not have disposable income, so it will be a varying price range...




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fckhrls

03.10.2009, 22:42

@ cal

Which would you rather have? A full head of hair, or a new car?

I think most of us would choose a full head of hair. As such, I think they could charge upwards of $50k and have more demand than they could meet. If they offer a finance system, they could get away with charging a lot more.




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abcxyz

03.10.2009, 22:57

@ fckhrls

Which would you rather have? A full head of hair, or a new car?

» I think most of us would choose a full head of hair. As such, I think they
» could charge upwards of $50k and have more demand than they could meet. If
» they offer a finance system, they could get away with charging a lot more.

If you put it like that, the answer is a full head of hair without a doubt.




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nsmnyc

04.10.2009, 00:32

@ abcxyz

Which would you rather have? A full head of hair, or a new car?

» » I think most of us would choose a full head of hair. As such, I think
» they
» » could charge upwards of $50k and have more demand than they could meet.
» If
» » they offer a finance system, they could get away with charging a lot
» more.
»
» If you put it like that, the answer is a full head of hair without a
» doubt.

50k, lol, do you work for one of these companies?

CANCER is a much more real issue, and a cure for this would never even remotely cost as much. There is a Canadian co that has just come up with a workable and highly successful way to fight two types of cancers, and I doubt they are so morally devoid as to be such leeches as to think that consumers should spend their lives paying for a method to treat it. Wake up, it is also relevant to look at the COST of actual treatment, VS the PRICE in terms or markup, and COST OF LIVING. Who makes these ridiculous statements? Whichever company decides to do this off the bat, I will use my resources to put millions behind the company such as Histogen or the like that will come up with a similar solution and make sure they out compete the other company out of the market. I promise to make them useless greedy fools, who won't make a dime.




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fckhrls

04.10.2009, 03:57

@ nsmnyc

Which would you rather have? A full head of hair, or a new car?

» statements? Whichever company decides to do this off the bat, I will use my
» resources to put millions behind the company such as Histogen or the like
» that will come up with a similar solution and make sure they out compete
» the other company out of the market. I promise to make them useless greedy
» fools, who won't make a dime.

"I will use my resources to put millions behind the company"? :lol2: Ok, Bill Gates, you do that :lol2:




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vivace67

04.10.2009, 05:00

@ fckhrls

stop the OBSESSION...

Time to move on folks and stop the obsession with your hair loss.

Asking how much you'd pay for full head of hair is asking what positions you'd try if you had a chance for a 3some with Pamela Anderson and Megan Fox.




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hairman2

04.10.2009, 10:03

@ vivace67

stop the OBSESSION...

» Time to move on folks and stop the obsession with your hair loss.
»
» Asking how much you'd pay for full head of hair is asking what positions
» you'd try if you had a chance for a 3some with Pamela Anderson and Megan
» Fox.

haha.. yea... discussing the price really is pretty senseless...

but me personally.. i'd make Pamela Anderson wait in the corner while i do Megan. ;)




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gman

04.10.2009, 10:24

@ hairman2

stop the OBSESSION...

» » Time to move on folks and stop the obsession with your hair loss.
» »
» » Asking how much you'd pay for full head of hair is asking what
» positions
» » you'd try if you had a chance for a 3some with Pamela Anderson and
» Megan
» » Fox.
»
» haha.. yea... discussing the price really is pretty senseless...
»
» but me personally.. i'd make Pamela Anderson wait in the corner while i do
» Megan. ;)

One last thought. The price will be the price and you'll have no control over that. From what I see, they seem to have done their homework and have put reasonable pricing out there. I don't expect this was done on the back of a pack of cigarettes. As for Pamela Anderson. I don't think any of us want HEP C.




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Spanish Dude

04.10.2009, 10:41

@ fckhrls

Which would you rather have? A full head of hair, or a new car?

» » statements? Whichever company decides to do this off the bat, I will use
» my
» » resources to put millions behind the company such as Histogen or the
» like
» » that will come up with a similar solution and make sure they out
» compete
» » the other company out of the market. I promise to make them useless
» greedy
» » fools, who won't make a dime.
»
» "I will use my resources to put millions behind the company"? :lol2: Ok,
» Bill Gates, you do that :lol2:


LOL!! fckhrls, I think you are one of the few persons here with a bit of common sense.
I agree with you. If they can restore a full head of hair, with no issues at all, for 50k, then I think they would have plenty of demand. The problem is that I doubt they can do that, with no issues, at the beginning.




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damraak

06.10.2009, 16:59

@ Steve78

The hair loss business isn't that big

Oddly enough, the hair loss business isn't really that big if we do a projection based on the poll results.

It seems that the majority will pay 30K for a cure.

In the US there are about 60 million people with hair loss.

Assuming half the people either don't care about hair loss or couldn't come up with the money, we have 30million people paying 30K each,

The total is only $900 million which in my opinion is not really that big compared to most drugs development in major pharma companies.




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AJ

06.10.2009, 19:19

@ damraak

The hair loss business isn't that big

» Oddly enough, the hair loss business isn't really that big if we do a
» projection based on the poll results.
»
» It seems that the majority will pay 30K for a cure.
»
» In the US there are about 60 million people with hair loss.
»
» Assuming half the people either don't care about hair loss or couldn't
» come up with the money, we have 30million people paying 30K each,
»
» The total is only $900 million which in my opinion is not really that big
» compared to most drugs development in major pharma companies.

Don't forget to move the decimal point when you do calculations with a slide rule. 30 million times 30,000 is 900 billion dollars. Although I doubt 30 million people would have the procedure. Could be wrong though.




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johnp

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New Jersey,
06.10.2009, 19:25

@ damraak

The hair loss business isn't that big

» Oddly enough, the hair loss business isn't really that big if we do a
» projection based on the poll results.
»
» It seems that the majority will pay 30K for a cure.
»
» In the US there are about 60 million people with hair loss.
»
» Assuming half the people either don't care about hair loss or couldn't
» come up with the money, we have 30million people paying 30K each,
»
» The total is only $900 million which in my opinion is not really that big
» compared to most drugs development in major pharma companies.

You are too optimistic to think that 50% of the people losing their hair will pay $30,000 for the treatment.

Try 10% and a baldness cure will only be worth $180 million, I agree it is not big business.



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cal

06.10.2009, 19:26

@ AJ

The hair loss business isn't that big

This ain't just relevant in the United States. We may be on the cutting edge of the personal appearance obsession right now, but it'll probably trickle downwards throughout the westernized world soon enough.

And the worldwide "middle class" is on its way to outstripping the USA for sheer net volume of disposable income the future.




And the rules about what is socially acceptable will shift as MPB treatment becomes more common. It'll take years/decades but I guarantee you it will happen.

50 or 100 years ago it was not such a big deal to have crooked/missing teeth. Now it's a social handicap, even for men in careers that are totally unrelated to appearance.




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AJ

06.10.2009, 19:30

@ johnp

The hair loss business isn't that big

» » Oddly enough, the hair loss business isn't really that big if we do a
» » projection based on the poll results.
» »
» » It seems that the majority will pay 30K for a cure.
» »
» » In the US there are about 60 million people with hair loss.
» »
» » Assuming half the people either don't care about hair loss or couldn't
» » come up with the money, we have 30million people paying 30K each,
» »
» » The total is only $900 million which in my opinion is not really that
» big
» » compared to most drugs development in major pharma companies.
»
» You are too optimistic to think that 50% of the people losing their hair
» will pay $30,000 for the treatment.
»
» Try 10% and a baldness cure will only be worth $180 million, I agree it is
» not big business.

Even with your 10% estimate, it is 180 billion dollars, not 180 million dollars. It IS a big business.




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damraak

06.10.2009, 19:34

@ AJ

The hair loss business isn't that big

» Don't forget to move the decimal point when you do calculations with a
» slide rule. 30 million times 30,000 is 900 billion dollars. Although I
» doubt 30 million people would have the procedure. Could be wrong though.

yes

30,000,000 x $30,000

= $900,000,000,000 :)




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vivace67

06.10.2009, 19:34

@ johnp

The hair loss business isn't that big

do they not teach you math in New Jersey?

6Million people @ $30/treatment is $180 BILLION revenue stream...

now consider that this will be recurring revenue as a significant portion of the population has MPB and as people continue to age they will see hair loss.....




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