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Pats205

28.07.2010, 16:33
 

4,578 graft Fue Megasession with Dr. Armani (Hair Transplant)

The patient below had 4,578 grafts FUE with Dr. Armani for zones 1, 2 and 3.

The goal of the procedure was to rebuild the hairline, close in the temples and provide mid scalp coverage.


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garyg

28.07.2010, 18:28

@ Pats205

4,578 graft Fue Megasession with Dr. Armani

Helmet hair,




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Redman77

29.07.2010, 04:34

@ Pats205

4,578 graft Fue Megasession with Dr. Armani

looks good, how old was the patient?

now he just needs a stylist.




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rev

your nightmares,
29.07.2010, 04:58

@ Redman77

4,578 graft Fue Megasession with Dr. Armani

» looks good, how old was the patient?
»
» now he just needs a stylist.
...and a photographer.... speaking of which, how about some pics showing the graft placement?




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Tequilla

29.07.2010, 10:53

@ rev

4,578 graft Fue Megasession with Dr. Armani

» » looks good, how old was the patient?
» »
» » now he just needs a stylist.
» ...and a photographer.... speaking of which, how about some pics showing
» the graft placement?

Wet before-pics, completely different lighting and I have seen this pictures before, nothing new...




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Pats205

29.07.2010, 14:26

@ Tequilla

4,578 graft Fue Megasession with Dr. Armani

I will check for Post op photos Rev.



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HanginInThere

Manila(UwishUrHere),
29.07.2010, 15:11

@ Tequilla

agreed wet greasy before pics....another deceiving result

it seems the more results I see the more i think there is a conspiracy among these docs to present a distorted result




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Pats205

29.07.2010, 15:25

@ HanginInThere

agreed wet greasy before pics....another deceiving result

» it seems the more results I see the more i think there is a conspiracy
» among these docs to present a distorted result

Hanging, you criticize every result posted, rather it is posted by the patient or the doctor.



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HanginInThere

Manila(UwishUrHere),
29.07.2010, 16:08

@ Pats205

agreed wet greasy before pics....another deceiving result

» » it seems the more results I see the more i think there is a conspiracy
» » among these docs to present a distorted result
»
» Hanging, you criticize every result posted, rather it is posted by the
» patient or the doctor.

You guys give me plenty to work with, and complain about. It is like shooting ducks with a cannon trying to find pics to talk about

are you saying the before pics are not wet or greasy?

there is a pattern of posting either
1. shaved or very short before pics , with long hair after pics
2. wet or greasy before pics, so as to make the hair appear thinner, then the after pics are dry fluffed up full looking hair

I can take any man, who is slightly thinning, and spray down his hair slightly with a mist, and comb it a bit and it will appear 10 times thinner

there are a lot of docs who post on the board, or people who work for them, who consistently do this.

This is deception

This post falls into category 2
Hey I am not the one posting the deceiving pics, you guys are




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Pats205

29.07.2010, 16:32

@ HanginInThere

agreed wet greasy before pics....another deceiving result

» » » it seems the more results I see the more i think there is a conspiracy
» » » among these docs to present a distorted result
» »
» » Hanging, you criticize every result posted, rather it is posted by the
» » patient or the doctor.
»
» You guys give me plenty to work with, and complain about. It is like
» shooting ducks with a cannon trying to find pics to talk about
»
» are you saying the before pics are not wet or greasy?
»
» there is a pattern of posting either
» 1. shaved or very short before pics , with long hair after pics
» 2. wet or greasy before pics, so as to make the hair appear thinner, then
» the after pics are dry fluffed up full looking hair
»
» I can take any man, who is slightly thinning, and spray down his hair
» slightly with a mist, and comb it a bit and it will appear 10 times
» thinner


Hanining,

Are you seriously complaining about how people wear their hair before and after a procedfure? "1. shaved or very short before pics , with long hair after pics"

The fact is, most people who are thinning and feel bad about their hair buzz it and wear it short, and most people who have a procedure and like their new hair wear it longer and style it in different ways.

Should clinics really demand patients grow their hair out for before photos when they feel more comfortable wearing it short?? Should I force happy patients who are enjoying their hair to buzz their head for you for their after photos?

You seem to forget that these are people in these photos. People who have paid alot of money for a procedure and are not obligated in any way to have their case photographed or documented. People who have taken their time to either share their result, have photos taken of them, and publicly share their story.

I have seen you criticize patient's, not clinics but patients who try to share their story, criticizing their attemps at documenting their story. It's sad that you do this and it most liekly keeps others from sharing their experience.



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diamond6

29.07.2010, 17:19

@ Pats205

agreed wet greasy before pics....another deceiving result

Actually longer hair hides things better than shorter hair. That is why many results of the before are short and the afters show this great full head of hair. The before and after pics should be the exact same legnth so that consumers can compare apples to apples. This has been known for years. It is an old trick. I myself was used in a video in 1990 for MHR. They grew my hair longer to cover all the scarring on my head. This does deceive. Remember though there are many sales people from clinics that need to make a living- can not blame them.




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marco

U.K,
29.07.2010, 18:51

@ diamond6

agreed wet greasy before pics....another deceiving result

» Actually longer hair hides things better than shorter hair. That is why
» many results of the before are short and the afters show this great full
» head of hair. The before and after pics should be the exact same legnth so
» that consumers can compare apples to apples. This has been known for
» years. It is an old trick. I myself was used in a video in 1990 for MHR.
» They grew my hair longer to cover all the scarring on my head. This does
» deceive. Remember though there are many sales people from clinics that
» need to make a living- can not blame them.

what happens if the patient does not want to (or can't!!) grow his hair long before the procedure and / or doesn't want to cut his hair short just for you after the procedure???



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HanginInThere

Manila(UwishUrHere),
29.07.2010, 19:58

@ marco

agreed wet greasy before pics....another deceiving result

» » Actually longer hair hides things better than shorter hair. That is why
» » many results of the before are short and the afters show this great
» full
» » head of hair. The before and after pics should be the exact same legnth
» so
» » that consumers can compare apples to apples. This has been known for
» » years. It is an old trick. I myself was used in a video in 1990 for
» MHR.
» » They grew my hair longer to cover all the scarring on my head. This
» does
» » deceive. Remember though there are many sales people from clinics that
» » need to make a living- can not blame them.
»
» what happens if the patient does not want to (or can't!!) grow his hair
» long before the procedure and / or doesn't want to cut his hair short just
» for you after the procedure???

I am just saying there is a pattern of before and after shots like this
it certainly cannot be controlled by the clinic but it sure seems suspicious

also
I notice that he failed to address the wet before pic

this can certainly be manipulated by the clinic whats up with the wet before pics? they give the guy a shampoo on the top front of his head just before hand?




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The Natural

30.07.2010, 00:50

@ HanginInThere

C'mon Hangin'

Dude, this guy got over 4500 grafts (at two, three, or four hairs per graft) from arguably the best hairline/temple hair transplant surgeon in the world. What are you so surprised about?

Not that your opinion matters much to him anyway. He is, no doubt, extremely happy with the results.




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Redman77

30.07.2010, 05:17

@ diamond6

agreed wet greasy before pics....another deceiving result

» Actually longer hair hides things better than shorter hair. That is why
» many results of the before are short and the afters show this great full
» head of hair. The before and after pics should be the exact same legnth so
» that consumers can compare apples to apples. This has been known for
» years. It is an old trick. I myself was used in a video in 1990 for MHR.
» They grew my hair longer to cover all the scarring on my head. This does
» deceive. Remember though there are many sales people from clinics that
» need to make a living- can not blame them.

ideally it would be great if the after photos could be buzzed hair just like in the before pics, but the reality is if i just got finished dropping $20k plus and my results look great with long hair, i really could give a *&^% what anybody thinks at that point.

Co-Worker: "Hey Bob, why'd you buzz all your hair sudenly?"

Bob: "oh, i needed to post pics on a hairloss forum in order to prove the clinic wasn't trying to skam future patients because i really give a damn."

Co-Worker: "Makes sense. See you."

^ yea right...that's pretty typical. :-|




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Eurohair1621

30.07.2010, 05:50

@ Redman77

agreed wet greasy before pics....another deceiving result

There is absolutely nothing to criticize or question regarding this individual's results. The before and after pictures speak for themselves. In conjunction you can't tell a patient who was thinning before and has had a very succesful procedure how to wear their hair. That is all done by individual choice. Amazing result!




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Burberry

30.07.2010, 11:46

@ Pats205

4,578 graft Fue Megasession with Dr. Armani

Hair looks amazing for only 4,578 grafts wow.
excellent results looks 100% natural amazing work.



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HanginInThere

Manila(UwishUrHere),
30.07.2010, 15:29

@ Eurohair1621

agreed wet greasy before pics....another deceiving result

» There is absolutely nothing to criticize or question regarding this
» individual's results. The before and after pictures speak for themselves.
» In conjunction you can't tell a patient who was thinning before and has had
» a very succesful procedure how to wear their hair. That is all done by
» individual choice. Amazing result!

amazing how you guys let the clinics skate on wet before pics, LOL

did I say the result was bad? No, I said they fudged the before pics to make them look worse than they really are by showing wet or greasy hair

if you see nothing suspicious about that, I have some land I would like to sell you




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HanginInThere

Manila(UwishUrHere),
30.07.2010, 15:31

@ The Natural

C'mon Hangin'

» Dude, this guy got over 4500 grafts (at two, three, or four hairs
» per graft) from arguably the best hairline/temple hair transplant surgeon
» in the world. What are you so surprised about?
»
» Not that your opinion matters much to him anyway. He is, no doubt,
» extremely happy with the results.

Did I say the transplant was bad work? Please re read what I said

I said they fudged the before pics by making the hair wet/greasy to make the before hair look worse

learn to read




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scar5

30.07.2010, 16:44

@ HanginInThere

C'mon Hangin'

The before-after pics are deceiving, but no more than the 'good guys' who regularly show cropped or buzzed 'before' pics before unleashing their freshly washed, (and often bleached) fluffy, grown out, 'after' pics. This is 'run 'o the mill' for this industry. As for Burberry's comment, "Hair looks amazing for only 4,578 grafts wow" wow, indeed, I hope all viewers are collectively gagging their laughter.

But, now, to the matter at hand. This guy's hair looks way better. If he can use drugs effectively for the rest of his sexually active would-be active life, I think this is a god result, because 1) he looks good and 2) personally, I believe a lot of people think FUE just 'doesn't work' and it obviously does. A pity the clinic supermarket system results in ridiculous graft quotes




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The Natural

31.07.2010, 00:42

@ HanginInThere

C'mon Hangin'

» Did I say the transplant was bad work? Please re read what I said
»
» I said they fudged the before pics by making the hair wet/greasy to make
» the before hair look worse
»
» learn to read

"Fudged" is inaccurate. They did not alter the photos. And what, pray tell, do you think would have happened if they had wet his hair in the second picture?




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HanginInThere

Manila(UwishUrHere),
31.07.2010, 06:51

@ The Natural

stop with the drama

I did not say they photoshopped the pics, all along I have said the before pics are taken with WET OR GREASY HAIR

what part of that do you not comprehend

the appearance of the patient was altered in order to make it appear as if he has less hair , in the before pics

there is no way to describe this other than, an attempt to deceive the public into thinking that this guys results were much more dramatic than in fact was actually the case

as to your question of what do i think the after pics would look like if they greased them, that is the opposite of the relevant question

the relevant question is, what would the before pics look like if the hair was natural and dry and combed, as it should have been, instead of greasing or wetting it to appear extremely thin




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The Natural

31.07.2010, 12:06

@ HanginInThere

The Wet Look

Actually, what you desire is consistency. So an after-photo with wet hair would be sufficient. And you may find that wetting this transplanted hair gives this person better coverage: His bangs will probably come down, and cover the majority of his forehead.




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HanginInThere

Manila(UwishUrHere),
31.07.2010, 18:48
(edited by HanginInThere, 31.07.2010, 19:12)

@ The Natural

The Wet Look

» Actually, what you desire is consistency. So an after-photo with wet hair
» would be sufficient. And you may find that wetting this transplanted hair
» gives this person better coverage: His bangs will probably come down, and
» cover the majority of his forehead.

typically what I see is this

before pic either shaved very short
or
long natural hair wetted down or greased up , to make it appear thinner

after pic is

typically long, shown from the front head forward not leaning down
in low light so as not to show the real results

you do not see consistent apples to apples comparisons

when this is brought up to the clinics or their representatives, they blame the patient and say its inconvenient for them, to return for pics or to have to submit a pic with their hair a certain length, etc etc etc

I agree with the fact this may be the case however

I have yet to hear an explanation
or defense to. or even have the subject ADDRESSED by the clinics as to why they post wet before pics




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Pats205

02.08.2010, 00:54
(edited by Pats205, 02.08.2010, 01:10)

@ HanginInThere

The Wet Look

Hanging I have explained this to you before publicly. The magority of the before photos we post are dry, before and after.

Occasionally if the patient has longer hair, Dr. Armani will wet the hair before he inspects the patient in their pre op meeting. This is when Dr. Armani is determing the balding pattern and mapping the scalp for minaturization.

Most times the before photos are taken before the pre op meeting takes place, before the patient's hair may be dampened during inspection, but sometimes photos are taken after the pre op meeting, this is why you occasionlay see dampened hair in a before photo.

As mentioned before, we cannot demand our patient's wear their hair a certain length before they have a procedure and we cannot insist on them keeping their hair a particular length after their procedure. To demand this is ludicrous. Patient's have the right and have paid enough money for a procedure to wear their hair as they wish. Please respect this.

Most photos, more then 90% of what we post are with dry before and after photos. I think the results speak for themselves:


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Pats205

10.08.2010, 03:39

@ diamond6

agreed wet greasy before pics....another deceiving result

Did I answer your questions Hanging?



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HanginInThere

Manila(UwishUrHere),
10.08.2010, 14:16

@ Pats205

agreed wet greasy before pics....another deceiving result

» Did I answer your questions Hanging?

kind of




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mj2003

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13.08.2010, 06:35

@ Pats205

4,578 graft Fue Megasession with Dr. Armani

Armani does it again. Superb results, if not one of the best.




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jrivera3

13.08.2010, 22:54

@ Pats205

The Wet Look

This doesn't make much sense to me.

A professionally run clinic with a standard protocol would take all before pictures the same way.

What is the reason for taking some before pictures wet, and some dry? Someone forgets 10% of the time what their job is?



» Hanging I have explained this to you before publicly. The magority of the
» before photos we post are dry, before and after.
»
» Occasionally if the patient has longer hair, Dr. Armani will wet
» the hair before he inspects the patient in their pre op meeting. This is
» when Dr. Armani is determing the balding pattern and mapping the scalp for
» minaturization.
»
» Most times the before photos are taken before the pre op meeting takes
» place, before the patient's hair may be dampened during inspection, but
» sometimes photos are taken after the pre op meeting, this is why you
» occasionlay see dampened hair in a before photo.
»
» As mentioned before, we cannot demand our patient's wear their hair a
» certain length before they have a procedure and we cannot insist on them
» keeping their hair a particular length after their procedure. To demand
» this is ludicrous. Patient's have the right and have paid enough money for
» a procedure to wear their hair as they wish. Please respect this.
»
» Most photos, more then 90% of what we post are with dry before and after
» photos. I think the results speak for themselves:
»




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Pats205

14.08.2010, 01:14

@ jrivera3

The Wet Look

» This doesn't make much sense to me.
»
» A professionally run clinic with a standard protocol would take all before
» pictures the same way.
»
» What is the reason for taking some before pictures wet, and some dry?
» Someone forgets 10% of the time what their job is?
»
»

If a patient is running late, depending on staff and Dr. Armani's schedule many things may dictate when photos are taken. This is not an assembly line, we are dealing with real people here and surgery.

In a morning where we are prepping a patient for surgery, when the photos are being taken is not our main concern. The patient meeting with Dr. Armani to go over final strategy for the procedure, answering all of the patients final questions, prepping the patient for surgery is all put before pictures. I am sorry if you do not agree with this.

Again, look at all of the results posted on the forum and on our website, maybe 5-7% of the photos have a wet or dampened look in the before photos.



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jrivera3

14.08.2010, 07:44

@ Pats205

The Wet Look

» If a patient is running late, depending on staff and Dr. Armani's schedule
» many things may dictate when photos are taken. This is not an assembly
» line, we are dealing with real people here and surgery.
»
» In a morning where we are prepping a patient for surgery, when the photos
» are being taken is not our main concern. The patient meeting with Dr.
» Armani to go over final strategy for the procedure, answering all of the
» patients final questions, prepping the patient for surgery is all put
» before pictures. I am sorry if you do not agree with this.
»
» Again, look at all of the results posted on the forum and on our website,
» maybe 5-7% of the photos have a wet or dampened look in the before photos.


Yes, surgery is not an assembly line.... while you're doing it. But it sure as heck is regimented strictly into steps before and after.

I don't see how the patient being late makes sense, at all, for your explanation. If the patient is late, he is late. You will still have to take pictures. If you take them before he sees Dr. Armani, or after he sees Dr. Armani, the patient is still late, no? So why not always take them before he sees Dr. Armani? Taking the pictures after he sees Dr. Armani and his hair is wet doesn't make time slow down...

In addition, I don't understand what exactly it is that you do differently from other respected clinics when "prepping" the patient for surgery, that makes you unable to do what they seem able to do: post dry/dry or wet/wet before and after photos for an apples to apples comparison. I just don't get it. It makes it look like your clinic is not very well organized.

I agree, asking questions is extremely important, but apples to apples comparison photos are extremely important as well, for the patient to assess progress, and for potential patients to judge a doctor. If these photos weren't so important, you wouldn't be posting them.
So, I don't agree with you, but you don't need to be sorry though. I'm just trying to figure this all out.

Lastly, where do you get the 5-7% figure of patients with wet before pictures? This is really weird. Did you just make this up, or did you really calculate it? If you calculated it, why not just say the actual number? I truly hope, since you are a hair transplant clinic's sales person/spokesperson/patient rep/what have you, that you are not cavalierly throwing around clinical statistics like that, without some sort of evidence to support your claim, other than you said so. Research Research Research....




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Pats205

14.08.2010, 14:18

@ jrivera3

The Wet Look

JRivera3, I am not going to get in to a debate with you over this, you just made your user account here on the forums yesterday and clearly have an agenda.

I have answered hangining's questions in detail.



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jrivera3

14.08.2010, 19:49

@ Pats205

The Wet Look

» JRivera3, I am not going to get in to a debate with you over this, you just
» made your user account here on the forums yesterday and clearly have an
» agenda.
»
» I have answered hangining's questions in detail.

Sorry, you're not going to answer my questions... because I just joined? Makes no logical sense to me, but ok. I can't make you answer my questions if that's your policy.

You are right, I do have an "agenda", as you put it. 100%. No denial.

My agenda is, I'm a consumer. I want facts. Clinics ask us to put down a rather large chunk of change for a hair surgery. Before I do this, I want to make an informed choice. I can't do that without facts.

A common way to obscure facts, in general, for any business, is to make misleading ads about their product. For hair transplant clinics, the most common way to make misleading ads about their product is to show misleading pictures of their product. Hair transplant clinics do this by showing before/after transplant photos with different lighting, or the before picture is wet and the after picture is dry. Sometimes hair transplant clinics can't control this, because the pictures are taken by patients. But that's not the case here. We're talking about wet before pictures taken in your office.

This subject of wet before/dry after pics being misleading has been mentioned so many times on other forums I've been on.... it's not even a debate whether this is misleading. So I hope you are agree that wet before pics/dry after pics are misleading. I at least hope we can agree on that?

I have a strong pet peeve against a hair transplant clinic posting wet before and dry after surgical pics.

I just registered, went to the hair transplant forum here, and there was one thread, and only one thread, smack dab on the front page, about a clinic using wet before/dry after surgery pics. So that's the first thing that grabbed my attention.

If you can point out other threads where clinics are doing this, I'll question them too. I don't care which clinic does this, I will question them all.

So, there you go. That's my agenda.

What's yours?

You sell hair transplants.

I am not asking for people's money, you are.

You question the sincerity of my "agenda", well, expect the same.




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mj2003

E-mail

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14.08.2010, 23:26

@ jrivera3

The Wet Look

» » JRivera3, I am not going to get in to a debate with you over this, you
» just
» » made your user account here on the forums yesterday and clearly have an
» » agenda.
» »
» » I have answered hangining's questions in detail.
»
» Sorry, you're not going to answer my questions... because I just joined?
» Makes no logical sense to me, but ok. I can't make you answer my questions
» if that's your policy.
»
» You are right, I do have an "agenda", as you put it. 100%. No denial.
»
» My agenda is, I'm a consumer. I want facts. Clinics ask us to put down a
» rather large chunk of change for a hair surgery. Before I do this, I want
» to make an informed choice. I can't do that without facts.
»
» A common way to obscure facts, in general, for any business, is to make
» misleading ads about their product. For hair transplant clinics, the most
» common way to make misleading ads about their product is to show misleading
» pictures of their product. Hair transplant clinics do this by showing
» before/after transplant photos with different lighting, or the before
» picture is wet and the after picture is dry. Sometimes hair transplant
» clinics can't control this, because the pictures are taken by patients.
» But that's not the case here. We're talking about wet before pictures
» taken in your office.
»
» This subject of wet before/dry after pics being misleading has been
» mentioned so many times on other forums I've been on.... it's not even a
» debate whether this is misleading. So I hope you are agree that wet before
» pics/dry after pics are misleading. I at least hope we can agree on that?
»
»
» I have a strong pet peeve against a hair transplant clinic posting wet
» before and dry after surgical pics.
»
» I just registered, went to the hair transplant forum here, and there was
» one thread, and only one thread, smack dab on the front page, about a
» clinic using wet before/dry after surgery pics. So that's the first thing
» that grabbed my attention.
»
» If you can point out other threads where clinics are doing this, I'll
» question them too. I don't care which clinic does this, I will question
» them all.
»
» So, there you go. That's my agenda.
»
» What's yours?
»
» You sell hair transplants.
»
» I am not asking for people's money, you are.
»
» You question the sincerity of my "agenda", well, expect the same.

u seem like u have a hard on for pats. we all get annoyed with pics and vids time after time but we make our point and move on. but its not about the pics is it? u sound more like u have a personal bone to pick here




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arvinlexky

14.08.2010, 23:55
(edited by arvinlexky, 15.08.2010, 00:42)

@ jrivera3

The Wet Look

Jrivera3,
As the saying goes "for the believer no proof is necessary, for the non believer no proof will suffice". When it comes to HT, you shouldn't be in either extreme. You shouldn't be a naive believer who gets $cammed, or a non believer who questions everything, because it'll get you no where. In today's internet, inundated with pictures and videos, it is hard to believe or doubt anything. To make it worse, cosmetic procedures are secretive, if people are secure enough about the appearance they wouldn't go under the knife in the first place. Most people who undergo a HT wants to keep it a secret, that's why most pictures we see in this and all other forums doesn't show the full face. Therefore to expect HT patients to pose as the forum posters desire (length or looks), is just a wishful thinking.
We can talk all day about protocols for pictures, documentation etc., but when you’re dealing with customers and patients in real life it’s a totally different ball game. You’re dealing with human beings, they come in all sizes, shapes and colors. Some times they are adamant and push for a last minute appointment, the clinic could be under-staffed, a supervisor for the photo documentation might be absent, if things can go wrong it’ll. Just go to a professionally run dental clinic and see if everything runs smoothly everyday!
Coming to this particular case, the before and after pictures are not shot in exact conditions and it’s not ideal, but you can't deny the quality of the result here. Of course the patient paid for it, but the result is there. If you can't see it, don’t waste your time, a HT is not for you.
Pats205 has been an active poster here for a long time. He follows the results and posts, in this forum, meticulously. If he quotes a number or a statistic based on the results he has seen here over the years, he has earned a right to do so, by being an active member of this forum. Just showing up here one day and questioning his statements in insinuating manner shows a motive or in other words an agenda!



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jrivera3

15.08.2010, 02:44

@ mj2003

The Wet Look

I said

» »
» » If you can point out other threads where clinics are doing this, I'll
» » question them too. I don't care which clinic does this, I will
» question
» » them all.
» »

mj2003 said

» u seem like u have a hard on for pats. we all get annoyed with pics and
» vids time after time but we make our point and move on. but its not about
» the pics is it? u sound more like u have a personal bone to pick here

did you really read all that I said?




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Pats205

15.08.2010, 03:09

@ arvinlexky

The Wet Look

» Coming to this particular case, the before and after pictures are not shot
» in exact conditions and it’s not ideal, but you can't deny the quality of
» the result here. Of course the patient paid for it, but the result is
» there. If you can't see it, don’t waste your time, a HT is not for you.
» Pats205 has been an active poster here for a long time. He follows the
» results and posts, in this forum, meticulously. If he quotes a number or a
» statistic based on the results he has seen here over the years, he has
» earned a right to do so, by being an active member of this forum. Just
» showing up here one day and questioning his statements in insinuating
» manner shows a motive or in other words an agenda!


Well said arvinlexky



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jrivera3

15.08.2010, 03:18

@ arvinlexky

The Wet Look

» Jrivera3,
» As the saying goes "for the believer no proof is necessary, for the non
» believer no proof will suffice". When it comes to HT, you shouldn't be in
» either extreme. You shouldn't be a naive believer who gets $cammed, or a
» non believer who questions everything, because it'll get you no where. In

I was questioning 1 thing: why the wet/dry before and after pics? That's not everything.



» today's internet, inundated with pictures and videos, it is hard to believe
» or doubt anything. To make it worse, cosmetic procedures are secretive, if
» people are secure enough about the appearance they wouldn't go under the
» knife in the first place. Most people who undergo a HT wants to keep it a
» secret, that's why most pictures we see in this and all other forums
» doesn't show the full face. Therefore to expect HT patients to pose as the
» forum posters desire (length or looks), is just a wishful thinking.

Er...no. The other reputable clinics do this routinely. When the patient is in the doctor's office, they take dry before pics, so they can make an apples to apples comparison. This is easy, and s.o.p., for so many reputable clinics. It is far from wishful thinking.


» We can talk all day about protocols for pictures, documentation etc., but
» when you’re dealing with customers and patients in real life it’s a
» totally different ball game. You’re dealing with human beings, they come
» in all sizes, shapes and colors. Some times they are adamant and push for
» a last minute appointment, the clinic could be under-staffed, a supervisor
» for the photo documentation might be absent, if things can go wrong it’ll.
» Just go to a professionally run dental clinic and see if everything runs
» smoothly everyday!

This is kind of silly. No one is going to push for a last minute appointment that is so last minute that it's like....literally in one minute that they get a surgery. And even if, in some strange world, this did actually happen, then there wouldn't be ANY pictures. But here we have pictures. They're just wet.

What size or shape the patient is doesn't have any relevance at all as to whether you take a picture of his hair wet or dry.

If the clinic is under-staffed, then...who is taking the pictures with wet hair?

If the supervisor is absent, then...who is taking the pictures with wet hair?

None of these explanations add up.

I've been to the dentist. They always ask if you've had x-rays, and if you haven't, they do them. And they do them in a standard way. All the dentists I've been to take the same set of pictures. What kind of dentists are you going to man?

» Coming to this particular case, the before and after pictures are not shot
» in exact conditions and it’s not ideal, but you can't deny the quality of
» the result here. Of course the patient paid for it, but the result is
» there. If you can't see it, don’t waste your time, a HT is not for you.

This is the whole point. How can you compare apples to oranges? Are you really sure of what you're seeing? What did the patient look like before the surgery with dry, styled hair? You have no idea. No way to compare. Ironically, if you accept a result that is based on wet before and dry after pics...well, then maybe a HT is not for you. No joke man, in all seriousness. I really mean that with sincere concern for what you are saying.

» Pats205 has been an active poster here for a long time. He follows the
» results and posts, in this forum, meticulously. If he quotes a number or a
» statistic based on the results he has seen here over the years, he has
» earned a right to do so, by being an active member of this forum. Just
» showing up here one day and questioning his statements in insinuating
» manner shows a motive or in other words an agenda!

Er....no. No one earns a right to make stuff up, I don't care how many posts they make or read. I'm sorry. I'm not saying Pats205 made anything up, but so far, he has not provided any evidence showing where he got that number. So as far as you and I really know, he could have made those numbers up. Again, not saying he did, but where's the proof? Do you just take a salesman's word for something? If Pats205 provides some kind of proof, I'll apologize to Pats205 on this board for considering the possibility that he made the number up, deal?

I thought anyone could ask questions of any clinic here, no matter when they join? Is this not the case? Do I have to make a certain number of posts before I can ask a question?

As I explained, I questioned Pats205 because that was the ONLY thread on the page discussing wet before pics, which is a pet peeve of mine. And I made a pretty detailed explanation of what my "agenda" is.

You're not even "insinuating" anything about me, you're flat out saying I have an agenda.....because I'm questioning some one? So does that mean you have an "agenda" against me? This could go round and round....

Find me another thread where someone is posting wet before pics and I'll show you what my agenda is.




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HanginInThere

Manila(UwishUrHere),
15.08.2010, 04:49

@ jrivera3

Very simple, its a calculated strategy to deceive

I agree , I have yet to hear an explanation as to why the before pics are taken wet. This is a requirement before surgery? I dont think so

To me its very simple

wet before pics make the patient appear MUCH BALDER than dry before pics

Thus the results of the transplant, if they show DRY AFTER PICS.......look MUCH more dramatic, like the transplant has actually achieved much more coverage than it actually did

Lets face it, the balder you look in the before shot, the better it is for the clinic. If it was possible to airbrush before hair OUT of the pic, without it being discovered , I think this would also be done

For the clinics to make up excuses for their wet before pics , blame the patient being late, etc etc to me is not only BS but its laughable

To me there is a calcuated strategy by some clinics to take wet before pics. It happens so often that it cannot be a coincidence




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ipod

15.08.2010, 05:24

@ HanginInThere

Very simple, its a calculated strategy to deceive

jrivera3, i think your obsession with Armani is a little weird, almost every doctor uses some deceptive photo tricks in their posts at least once, Armani is not the only one and will not be the last, it is not acceptable but it will probably never change either, get over it!




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mj2003

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Toronto,
15.08.2010, 07:03

@ ipod

Very simple, its a calculated strategy to deceive

» jrivera3, i think your obsession with Armani is a little weird, almost
» every doctor uses some deceptive photo tricks in their posts at least once,
» Armani is not the only one and will not be the last, it is not acceptable
» but it will probably never change either, get over it!

word




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hairlove

U.S.A,
15.08.2010, 10:46

@ HanginInThere

Very simple, its a calculated strategy to deceive

» I agree , I have yet to hear an explanation as to why the before pics are
» taken wet. This is a requirement before surgery? I dont think so
»
» To me its very simple
»
» wet before pics make the patient appear MUCH BALDER than dry before pics
»
» Thus the results of the transplant, if they show DRY AFTER PICS.......look
» MUCH more dramatic, like the transplant has actually achieved much more
» coverage than it actually did
»
» Lets face it, the balder you look in the before shot, the better it is for
» the clinic. If it was possible to airbrush before hair OUT of the pic,
» without it being discovered , I think this would also be done
»
» For the clinics to make up excuses for their wet before pics , blame the
» patient being late, etc etc to me is not only BS but its laughable
»
» To me there is a calcuated strategy by some clinics to take wet before
» pics. It happens so often that it cannot be a coincidence


guys whatever you think about jrivera3--he having a personel agenda etc etc but imo he and hangin have got very valid points,just cant deny them....and as for patients coming in last min and not having enough time for photodocumentation---sorry even i dont buy it at all....if you dont have good comparable pics,why even bother posting them!!
i dont like these types pics of results because this is exactly what my first doc showed me to trap me into believing her HT skills....im not fingerpointing but you could be better and put a little more effort!



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hairlove

U.S.A,
15.08.2010, 12:16

@ hairlove

Very simple, its a calculated strategy to deceive

and here is an example how misleading it can be when you compare apples to oranges----in these pics for a naive results are there,but are they??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JChYcf4Hx58



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Pats205

15.08.2010, 15:00

@ ipod

Very simple, its a calculated strategy to deceive

» jrivera3, i think your obsession with Armani is a little weird, almost
» every doctor uses some deceptive photo tricks in their posts at least once,
» Armani is not the only one and will not be the last, it is not acceptable
» but it will probably never change either, get over it!

Agreed, I will not be responding to jrivera3's posts or his attacks on the clinic.

Hanging I did my best to answer your questions, as I am sure you are aware there are very very few cases where the photos are damp in the before photos. Further there are plenty of other results I have posted with dry before photos where I am sure you can see the improvement, even if you cannot in this one ;-)



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Burberry

15.08.2010, 16:03

@ jrivera3

The Wet Look

Jrivera,

From reading some of your posts and knowing that you're fairly new to this forum I clearly understand your agenda and that is to attack the Armani Clinic for unknown reasons. I am one of Dr. Armani's many patients and all I can tell you is that all this junk that your writing has no meaning when a real patient reads your posts. What puts you in a position to post comments and accusations about a clinic that you have never really experienced?
I came to Dr. Armani NW6 and now I have a head full of hair and their are many pictures of what you call wet/dry or however you want to describe them on this forum to prove that.
I my opinion the only people that can judge whatever pictures and results get posted are the real patients and not someone like you who's agenda on this forum is to attack and hope to ruin a clinics reputation. We post these pictures to help others and to guide them to the right clinics because if it wasn't for forum like this and posts of real patients I would have never came across Alvi-Armani.




» » If a patient is running late, depending on staff and Dr. Armani's
» schedule
» » many things may dictate when photos are taken. This is not an assembly
» » line, we are dealing with real people here and surgery.
» »
» » In a morning where we are prepping a patient for surgery, when the
» photos
» » are being taken is not our main concern. The patient meeting with Dr.
» » Armani to go over final strategy for the procedure, answering all of
» the
» » patients final questions, prepping the patient for surgery is all put
» » before pictures. I am sorry if you do not agree with this.
» »
» » Again, look at all of the results posted on the forum and on our
» website,
» » maybe 5-7% of the photos have a wet or dampened look in the before
» photos.
»
»
» Yes, surgery is not an assembly line.... while you're doing it. But it
» sure as heck is regimented strictly into steps before and after.
»
» I don't see how the patient being late makes sense, at all, for your
» explanation. If the patient is late, he is late. You will still have to
» take pictures. If you take them before he sees Dr. Armani, or after he
» sees Dr. Armani, the patient is still late, no? So why not always take
» them before he sees Dr. Armani? Taking the pictures after he sees Dr.
» Armani and his hair is wet doesn't make time slow down...
»
» In addition, I don't understand what exactly it is that you do differently
» from other respected clinics when "prepping" the patient for surgery, that
» makes you unable to do what they seem able to do: post dry/dry or wet/wet
» before and after photos for an apples to apples comparison. I just don't
» get it. It makes it look like your clinic is not very well organized.
»
» I agree, asking questions is extremely important, but apples to apples
» comparison photos are extremely important as well, for the patient to
» assess progress, and for potential patients to judge a doctor. If these
» photos weren't so important, you wouldn't be posting them.
» So, I don't agree with you, but you don't need to be sorry though. I'm
» just trying to figure this all out.
»
» Lastly, where do you get the 5-7% figure of patients with wet before
» pictures? This is really weird. Did you just make this up, or did you
» really calculate it? If you calculated it, why not just say the actual
» number? I truly hope, since you are a hair transplant clinic's sales
» person/spokesperson/patient rep/what have you, that you are not cavalierly
» throwing around clinical statistics like that, without some sort of
» evidence to support your claim, other than you said so. Research Research
» Research....



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jrivera3

15.08.2010, 19:09

@ Burberry

The Wet Look

» Jrivera,
»
» From reading some of your posts and knowing that you're fairly new to this
» forum I clearly understand your agenda and that is to attack the Armani
» Clinic for unknown reasons. I am one of Dr. Armani's many patients and all
» I can tell you is that all this junk that your writing has no meaning when
» a real patient reads your posts. What puts you in a position to post
» comments and accusations about a clinic that you have never really
» experienced?

Actually, if you did really read my post, it clearly states what my 'agenda' is. And it's not what you said. So you either didn't read my post, or you think I'm lying? Which one is it man, just come out and say it. And yet you accuse me of having an "agenda" to attack a clinic's reputation? You're pretty much doing the exact same thing to me as what you're accusing me of. Pretty hypocritical dude.

The "junk" that I post, as you call it, clearly DOES have meaning to a real patient, as hairlove has JUST said I have valid points. So, you are just flat wrong on the facts that can be seen in this very thread.

What puts me in a position to post comments? What the heck? Are you seriously asking me that? Isn't this a discussion forum?

And what accusations have I made? Can you state them specifically? I doubt it.



» I came to Dr. Armani NW6 and now I have a head full of hair and their are
» many pictures of what you call wet/dry or however you want to describe them
» on this forum to prove that.


Yea, MANY MANY pictures. Like... more than I've ever seen one patient post. I think it's great when patients post pictures. Usually they post updates every month or so for the first year, then move on. But you...man. I've never seen someone post so many of his pics to so many forums for so many years. And you think I have an agenda?


» I my opinion the only people that can judge whatever pictures and results
» get posted are the real patients and not someone like you who's agenda on
» this forum is to attack and hope to ruin a clinics reputation. We post
» these pictures to help others and to guide them to the right clinics
» because if it wasn't for forum like this and posts of real patients I would
» have never came across Alvi-Armani.
»

Frankly, your opinion is only that, an opinion. You can express it, that's fine, but I don't care if you think only patients can judge pictures. You don't run this forum, right? My opinion is, I think anyone can judge pictures. As far as I'm aware, there's no rule on this forum against that. So I disagree with your opinion, and really don't care what you think the rules should be, because you don't run this forum, thought it sounds like you sure THINK you do. As long as I'm within the rules of the forum, I can post my opinions. Sorry.

You post pictures to "guide" others to the "right" clinics. I'm sorry, this screams agenda. SCREAMS. And it makes me laugh (and cry a little) to see how blind you are, that you actually have the cajones to accuse me of having an "agenda". Methinks the patient doth protest too much....




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arvinlexky

15.08.2010, 19:36

@ hairlove

Very simple, its a calculated strategy to deceive

» » I agree , I have yet to hear an explanation as to why the before pics
» are
» » taken wet. This is a requirement before surgery? I dont think so
» »
» » To me its very simple
» »
» » wet before pics make the patient appear MUCH BALDER than dry before
» pics
» »
» » Thus the results of the transplant, if they show DRY AFTER
» PICS.......look
» » MUCH more dramatic, like the transplant has actually achieved much more
» » coverage than it actually did
» »
» » Lets face it, the balder you look in the before shot, the better it is
» for
» » the clinic. If it was possible to airbrush before hair OUT of the pic,
» » without it being discovered , I think this would also be done
» »
» » For the clinics to make up excuses for their wet before pics , blame
» the
» » patient being late, etc etc to me is not only BS but its laughable
» »
» » To me there is a calcuated strategy by some clinics to take wet before
» » pics. It happens so often that it cannot be a coincidence
»
»
» guys whatever you think about jrivera3--he having a personel agenda etc
» etc but imo he and hangin have got very valid points,just cant deny
» them....and as for patients coming in last min and not having
» enough time for photodocumentation---sorry even i dont buy it at
» all....if you dont have good comparable pics,why even bother posting
» them!!
» i dont like these types pics of results because this is exactly what my
» first doc showed me to trap me into believing her HT skills....im not
» fingerpointing but you could be better and put a little more effort!
Well hairlove, if you had a result like the one documented in this thread, you wouldn't have need a repair in the first place. The pictures here are definitely not ideal, but it definitely shows there is a significant difference. You can check out a lot of pictures in Dr.A's website (if you want I can give you the exact links), a lot of photos are send by the patients, taken by their cellphone cameras. The pictures are low resolution, and some of them have bad lighting. Does it mean they trying to fool people too? Absolutely not. It easy to throw accusation, but do so after considering the whole scheme of things. If you don't like the pictures so be it, but many like me can appreciate the improvement in this result. Just because they are not ideal , it doesn't mean they are trying to be deceptive, they are just trying to present a good result.



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HanginInThere

Manila(UwishUrHere),
15.08.2010, 19:36

@ Burberry

The Wet Look

» Jrivera,
»
» From reading some of your posts and knowing that you're fairly new to this
» forum I clearly understand your agenda and that is to attack the Armani
» Clinic for unknown reasons. I am one of Dr. Armani's many patients and all
» I can tell you is that all this junk that your writing has no meaning when
» a real patient reads your posts. What puts you in a position to post
» comments and accusations about a clinic that you have never really
» experienced?
» I came to Dr. Armani NW6 and now I have a head full of hair and their are
» many pictures of what you call wet/dry or however you want to describe them
» on this forum to prove that.
» I my opinion the only people that can judge whatever pictures and results
» get posted are the real patients and not someone like you who's agenda on
» this forum is to attack and hope to ruin a clinics reputation. We post
» these pictures to help others and to guide them to the right clinics
» because if it wasn't for forum like this and posts of real patients I would
» have never came across Alvi-Armani.
»

Excuse me but if you were a NW6 nobody can give you a full head of hair, YOU DO NOT have a full head of hair, from a transplant. Transplants do not increase the amount of hairs on your head, at most they rearrange it. At NW6 there is no way in hell you could possibly even hope to achieve the appearance of a full head of hair, much less the real thing. you are delusional
» ..




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hairlove

U.S.A,
15.08.2010, 19:59
(edited by hairlove, 15.08.2010, 20:14)

@ arvinlexky

Very simple, its a calculated strategy to deceive

» » » I agree , I have yet to hear an explanation as to why the before pics
» » are
» » » taken wet. This is a requirement before surgery? I dont think so
» » »
» » » To me its very simple
» » »
» » » wet before pics make the patient appear MUCH BALDER than dry before
» » pics
» » »
» » » Thus the results of the transplant, if they show DRY AFTER
» » PICS.......look
» » » MUCH more dramatic, like the transplant has actually achieved much
» more
» » » coverage than it actually did
» » »
» » » Lets face it, the balder you look in the before shot, the better it
» is
» » for
» » » the clinic. If it was possible to airbrush before hair OUT of the
» pic,
» » » without it being discovered , I think this would also be done
» » »
» » » For the clinics to make up excuses for their wet before pics , blame
» » the
» » » patient being late, etc etc to me is not only BS but its laughable
» » »
» » » To me there is a calcuated strategy by some clinics to take wet
» before
» » » pics. It happens so often that it cannot be a coincidence
» »
» »
» » guys whatever you think about jrivera3--he having a personel agenda etc
» » etc but imo he and hangin have got very valid points,just cant deny
» » them....and as for patients coming in last min and not
» having
» » enough time for photodocumentation---sorry even i dont buy it at
» » all....if you dont have good comparable pics,why even bother
» posting
» » them!!
» » i dont like these types pics of results because this is exactly what my
» » first doc showed me to trap me into believing her HT skills....im not
» » fingerpointing but you could be better and put a little more effort!
» Well hairlove, if you had a result like the one documented in this thread,
» you wouldn't have need a repair in the first place. The pictures here are
» definitely not ideal, but it definitely shows there is a significant
» difference. You can check out a lot of pictures in Dr.A's website (if you
» want I can give you the exact links), a lot of photos are send by the
» patients, taken by their cellphone cameras. The pictures are low
» resolution, and some of them have bad lighting. Does it mean they trying to
» fool people too? Absolutely not. It easy to throw accusation, but do so
» after considering the whole scheme of things. If you don't like the
» pictures so be it, but many like me can appreciate the improvement in this
» result. Just because they are not ideal , it doesn't mean they are trying
» to be deceptive, they are just trying to present a good result.

first off,i said it was pics like these with wet before and dry after which that doc showed me that tricked me into going to her for my hair transplant...and i was no where comparing my results with the one posted here but i was trying to tell you guys where my opposition to pics like these stem from...so there is no need at all for comparing my results from botched ht with this one.
second,as already stressed in my previous post im not big fan of wet before pics especially when taken by the clinic...i dont ever remember blaming the patient for not so perfect photo-documentation...i totally understand he is not professional but the clinic is.(i have never confronted burberry though i think there is not one good clear pic of his top and crown in a clear lighting from countless pics of his result that have been posted by him,but i really wish he could get his pics from a pro clicked to subdue all the controversy that is associated with his posts...nobody expects a thick head of hair with his level of hair loss and number of transplanted grafts he got...but then i dont blame him for pics because he is the patient)
i hope im able to make a valid point....peace!



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hairlove

U.S.A,
15.08.2010, 20:06

@ jrivera3

The Wet Look

» » Jrivera,
» »
» » From reading some of your posts and knowing that you're fairly new to
» this
» » forum I clearly understand your agenda and that is to attack the Armani
» » Clinic for unknown reasons. I am one of Dr. Armani's many patients and
» all
» » I can tell you is that all this junk that your writing has no meaning
» when
» » a real patient reads your posts. What puts you in a position to post
» » comments and accusations about a clinic that you have never really
» » experienced?
»
» Actually, if you did really read my post, it clearly states what my
» 'agenda' is. And it's not what you said. So you either didn't read my
» post, or you think I'm lying? Which one is it man, just come out and say
» it. And yet you accuse me of having an "agenda" to attack a clinic's
» reputation? You're pretty much doing the exact same thing to me as what
» you're accusing me of. Pretty hypocritical dude.
»
» The "junk" that I post, as you call it, clearly DOES have meaning to a
» real patient, as hairlove has JUST said I have valid points. So, you are
» just flat wrong on the facts that can be seen in this very thread.


well i saw you and hangin making logical argument so i chimed in....i personally am also against the bad comparision pics stemming from my own experience but am no way trying to say armani ht skills are bad....i dont know that....im not his patient but i expect better pics from them as they are considered top-notch....and this patient pics are far from that!!



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arvinlexky

15.08.2010, 20:24

@ hairlove

Very simple, its a calculated strategy to deceive

This is how it read:
» » if you dont have good comparable pics,why even bother
» » posting
This why I pointed to results sent by patients even in Dr.A's clinic.
» » » i dont like these types pics of results because this is exactly what
» my
» » » first doc showed me to trap me into believing her HT skills
This implies that the intent here is to trap. However, this has more to do with your doctor and nothing do with Dr.Armani. Good know that it was not your intent and I'm glad your cleared up the air.



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