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roger_that

MARYLAND,
24.04.2011, 16:16
 

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss? (Hair Multiplication & Stem Cells Treatment)

How many people believe that with Hair Stemcell Transplantation (HST), Dr. Gho has essentially developed a cure for Male Pattern Baldness?

Poll Vote
 Do you believe that HST, the procedure developed by Dr. Gho, is essentially a cure for Male Pattern Baldness?
0% (0) Yes, Dr. Gho has already shown us sufficient evidence of this. Gho is a very talented doctor, so call me a believer!
48% (14) This is very probable. Dr. Gho has shown some good evidence, but we still need to see more evidence (controlled studies, hair counts, photos, etc.)
34% (10) It is unlikely, because Gho has not shown enough evidence and he has misled hairloss sufferers a few times in the past.
17% (5) Gho is a fraud and is laughed at by the HT surgeons community. And I am laughing, too.
  29 voters have answered this question.

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Andy_

Down Under,
27.04.2011, 13:19

@ Stevie.Dee

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

» I say wait for Iron.Mans report about himself or if you cant wait till
» then, make an appointment to see the pictures and/or patients in real.
» Thats the simplest solution.

So, there's photos in the clinic but not on their website!? That's pretty weird. Patient privacy is about the only reason I can think of, which can easily be overcome by blanking out the persons face.

From my perspective Dr Gho's technology & papers are very interesting, and now it's time for some NW6/7 -> NW1/2 case study examples. Like others have suggested, photos & hair counts of donor & transplanted area before/after each treatment would be perfect and settle a lot of debate & confusion.




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Stevie.Dee

27.04.2011, 10:50

@ cal

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

I say wait for Iron.Mans report about himself or if you cant wait till then, make an appointment to see the pictures and/or patients in real. Thats the simplest solution.




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cal

27.04.2011, 10:04

@ Freddie555

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

» Just post the before/after images here. That's all I ask.

Here is one of them. In my opinion, so far the best result ...

http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww279/carlav83/GIFS/000sas21.gif[/i][/color]


Very funny.




But I'm still waiting for some valid before/after pics of a transformed patient.



I don't even demand that it be a NW#6-7 all the way back to a NW#1-2. I'd settle for just a NW#5-2 or a #4-1 if the density was truly great and the donor did not look thinned at all. Just show me SOMETHING from Gho that other FUE clinics cannot deliver.




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Freddie555

27.04.2011, 06:35

@ cal

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

» Just post the before/after images here. That's all I ask.

I too want to see before-after photographic evidence instead of papers and closeups of extracted donor sites.

Just a few sets of before-after pictures of a NW6 guy turning into NW2 and I'm sold.




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Iron_Man

27.04.2011, 05:15

@ biston

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

» except money? isn't a little part.. however Gho is not the best FUE doctor
» so consider the probability to have a bad transplant in addition at the
» money losts

You're right. For example, that's the reason why she preferred Dr. Gho personally, because she knew that Dr. Gho IS NOT A "FUE" DOCTOR ...
[image]

Sure, Dr. Gho CAN do this with scalp hairlines TOO - because he is NOT a "FUE doctor" - he is a HST doctor.

Related video ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L0rjxjFt-M

Photo-related video ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3c_AxLA68o




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biston

27.04.2011, 03:48

@ Stevie.Dee

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

» "What would you guys lose if you would go to Gho and get it done and all
» the hairs in the recipient side would grow but the donor wouldnt regenerate
» itself
"?
»
» Right no one here would have lost anything except money and the chance to
» sue Gho because he give you a guarantee.

except money? isn't a little part.. however Gho is not the best FUE doctor so consider the probability to have a bad transplant in addition at the money losts

look at his website and check for good transplants. I can't see anything there that I would wanted to have on my head

if he can multiply hair, then prove it and perform excellent transplants

is that hard? I don't think so

maybe he cant

ps. yes im a skeptical one




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Mr. Z

27.04.2011, 03:10

@ Iron_Man

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

» » Just post the before/after images here. That's all I ask.
»
» Here is one of them. In my opinion, so far the best result ...
»
» http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww279/carlav83/GIFS/000sas21.gif


Hahaha yeah, that looks pretty representative of Gho's transplant results. And no shot of his donor area, just like at the HASCI website!




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Iron_Man

27.04.2011, 02:12

@ cal

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

» Just post the before/after images here. That's all I ask.

Here is one of them. In my opinion, so far the best result ...

http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww279/carlav83/GIFS/000sas21.gif




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cal

27.04.2011, 01:08

@ Iron_Man

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

Just post the before/after images here. That's all I ask.




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Iron_Man

27.04.2011, 00:30

@ cal

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

» No microscope pics of follicles, no papers describing why it's
» theoretically possible, no pics of shaved-down donor areas . . . just gimme
» the final results. I wanna see a head of hair that has clearly been
» restored farther than what is possible with existing HT methods.

WTF are you talking about? Where have you been the past 12 month??

http://www.hasci.com/uploads/downloads/dad01225-0ceb-4a30-90c4-771ed900f25aHSI%20-%20Artikel_Gho%20Neumann.pdf




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cal

26.04.2011, 21:20

@ cal

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

Still waiting . . .




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cal

25.04.2011, 20:49

@ Stevie.Dee

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

Okay, saying "call me" was the wrong way for me to put it.




If such a HT patient exists then please post up some photographic proof. I still don't believe it exists.

No microscope pics of follicles, no papers describing why it's theoretically possible, no pics of shaved-down donor areas . . . just gimme the final results. I wanna see a head of hair that has clearly been restored farther than what is possible with existing HT methods.




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Stevie.Dee

25.04.2011, 17:00

@ Iron_Man

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

» » Call me when Gho produces a single patient with more hair visibly
» restored
» » than previously possible with traditional HT work.
»
» Your phone number, please.

Man i wanted to see cals face right now :-D

WAIT a Second....no no i dont think i interprete this correct here :-)




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Iron_Man

25.04.2011, 16:22

@ cal

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

» Call me when Gho produces a single patient with more hair visibly restored
» than previously possible with traditional HT work.

Your phone number, please.




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cal

25.04.2011, 16:20

@ Stevie.Dee

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

Call me when Gho produces a single patient with more hair visibly restored than previously possible with traditional HT work.


No matter what Gho discovers, I'm just going to respond with this same request over and over again.




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Stevie.Dee

25.04.2011, 15:02

@ Duck

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

» whatever stevie dee. don't you think these discussion have been repeated
» over and over and over again?. That was my point!. Just watch the poll
» results.

Yes i see those results : 2 people are total WELL stupid or stubborn. 7 People are sceptical (thats ok) and 7 people only need more pictures but agree that Gho has changed the game.




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Duck

25.04.2011, 14:51

@ roger_that

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

whatever stevie dee. don't you think these discussion have been repeated over and over and over again?. That was my point!. Just watch the poll results.




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Stevie.Dee

25.04.2011, 14:32

@ Iron_Man

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

AND NOW people here are actually accusing Gho of doing FUE? you gotta be shi*ting me. But i can tell everyone here, even Gho cannot repair THIS case because here everything is just dead.

Its funny in all Gho videos there is just no to very little blood dripping involved. And here you have a whole massacre. And i can say Donor Rgeneration will be his smallest problem in a few years cause transplants like these accelerate hairloss or scar tissue growth.

What they do in this videos is simple "Organ Raping" nothing more nothing less. And this is nowhere as near as Gho or lets say nowhere near as "real" FUE specialists.

And to all Gho Haters here is one thing just to think about for one minute

"What would you guys lose if you would go to Gho and get it done and all the hairs in the recipient side would grow but the donor wouldnt regenerate itself"?

Right no one here would have lost anything except money and the chance to sue Gho because he give you a guarantee.

And now turn this question around

"What would you have lost if all the hair would regrow in the donor area and in the recipient area?"

Correct NOTHING

And the third modell for everyone here to chew on

"What would you have lost if all the hair in the recipient area would grow and only a certain amount of XX % in the donor area would regrow?"

Correct NOTHING

But hey it doesnt matter, lets run to the nearest FUT doc nearby right? Should i personally start to make modells like this here?




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Iron_Man

25.04.2011, 14:15

@ Stevie.Dee

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

» Here you have FUE with nice "at least 1mm or more diameter needles
»
» http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWYvaZ082Y8

Watch THIS FUE video …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD58WbDtRgc
[image]
You can plant flowers in these big holes – NO WAY for any donor-regrowth, because ALL hair stem cells (inside the follicles) are completely removed!




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Stevie.Dee

25.04.2011, 14:13

@ Duck

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

» Why can't you guy's just refrain from commenting on a poll thread? I do not
» think Roger that created this poll for the reason of endless long drawn out
» talk. Just vote!

Cry me a river, as long as infos are shared i dont have a problem. But its funny that people always cry for "stop discussions" when it is attacking their beliefs or destroying the people on whose payroll they are




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Duck

25.04.2011, 14:09

@ roger_that

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

Why can't you guy's just refrain from commenting on a poll thread? I do not think Roger that created this poll for the reason of endless long drawn out talk. Just vote!




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Iron_Man

25.04.2011, 13:33

@ Iron_Man

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

» If someone extracts FU's with such an extrem small needle diameter -
» that is CLEARLY not "FUE" anymore!
» FUE = transplanting of fully intact ORGANS!
»
» But sure, the HST extraction procedure itself SEEMS at least
» "FUE-like" - but clearly isn't "FUE" as explained above - or shown below
» ...
» [image]

By the way - Dr. Gho explained that almost 6 years ago ...
[image]
http://www.hairsite.com/gho/338-stem-cells-hair-transplant.htm




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Stevie.Dee

25.04.2011, 13:30

@ Iron_Man

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

Here you have FUE with nice "at least 1mm or more diameter needles

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWYvaZ082Y8




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Iron_Man

25.04.2011, 13:05
(edited by Iron_Man, 25.04.2011, 13:20)

@ hairman2

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

» we both know Gho is essentially FUE with smaller needles ...

No - I didn't know that. You mean, FUE = HST ?

No, that is untrue:

FUE = Follicular Unit Extraction is cutting out WHOLE/ENTIRE/INTAKT follicular UNITS with hollow 1-mm (inner diameter) punches, as scientifically described by Dr. Inaba in 1996 and finally scientifically DEFINED by Dr. Rassman (et al) in 2002:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12174065

Oh, there has been a HOT discussed reason WHY they must perform FUE with 1-mm punches. Anyway, THAT is "FUE".

If someone extracts FU's with THE HALF SIZE - can't be "FUE" as scientifically described as "FUE"!

Ask Dr. Woods, WHY he extracts FU's with 1-mm punches and not 0.5 mm needles ... :-|

If someone extracts FU's with such an extrem small needle diameter - that is CLEARLY not "FUE" anymore!
FUE = transplanting of fully intact ORGANS!

But sure, the HST extraction procedure itself SEEMS at least "FUE-like" - but clearly isn't "FUE" as explained above - or shown below ...
[image]




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Iron_Man

25.04.2011, 12:23

@ hairman2

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

» » » Which serious problem? I disagree.. you come up with evidence mostly
» » » provided by Gho himself. I would like to see some independent
» » data.
» »
» » Do you really believe that an independent somebody (especially a HT
» clinic)
» » will promote Dr. Gho with the same results?
» » ("Look researchers, LOOOOOK - Gho's technique is perfectly working as
» » claimed!!" )
» »
» » LOL
» »
» » argumentum ad ignorantiam
» »
» » English
» » http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
» » German
» » http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_ignorantiam
»
» FUE was accepted by HT clinics then why not Gho?

Gho's technique = category TISSUE ENGINEERING

FUE = cutting out just smaller skin plugs

Meaning, Dr. Gho's technique needs a little bit MORE knowledge than just cutting out something.




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Stevie.Dee

25.04.2011, 12:23

@ Iron_Man

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

hairman2 if you compare a human heart with hair then i say i compare the hair with the ability of regeneration in the liver.

You see. It is impossible, that Gho bribed each and everyone to support his claims. Hell how could he even bribe Jahoda long before Gho himself was researching HM?

Whole groups of researchers from the globe proved that Gho is working they did studies and said exactly what Gho said and is doing right now. And the extracted grafts or tissue doesnt die or whatever you want it to be because you cansave and stop cell death with the correct storage solution. This has also been done to teeth as well, when kids lose their teeth in an accident or so

And if you look at Ghos Key notes, you will find plenty of guys who id this stuff long before him, did he pay all those guys to publish their stuff only to sell HST in 2010?

And if you dont believe it, just make an appointment and let them show you donor pictures the whole long day. I dont know where you live right now, but if you dont believe something, then be proactive and try to find out yourself.

I am getting really really tired of arguing about the same old non important stuff, its really wearing and taking its tribute here.

But my hope in the hairloss community is not totally gone because at least 7 People vote correctly in my opinion or choose the comfortable point to choose from.

4 people here are just, well bverotti, buglar, SpanishDude and hmmmm matigol :-) you wanna bet. But those four are also the ones who will vote down anything.

BTW Roger_that i think that this poll is important because the moment bverotti and co saw so many people actually voting in favor of Gho ;-) there were Shivers running down his spine because right now there are only 3 known Gho "supporters" here : Iron.Man, me and in some ways roger_that. But who are the other 4 :-)




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hairman2

25.04.2011, 12:14

@ Iron_Man

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

» » Which serious problem? I disagree.. you come up with evidence mostly
» » provided by Gho himself. I would like to see some independent
» data.
»
» Do you really believe that an independent somebody (especially a HT clinic)
» will promote Dr. Gho with the same results?
» ("Look researchers, LOOOOOK - Gho's technique is perfectly working as
» claimed!!" )
»
» LOL
»
» argumentum ad ignorantiam
»
» English
» http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
» German
» http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_ignorantiam

FUE was accepted by HT clinics then why not Gho? Gho's procedure is NOT going put HT clinics out of business.. on the contrary they can now charge more for their procedures and services patients which they previously had to turn down due to lack of donor.

you pretend as if Gho has invented some creme which you slap on your head and it will sprout new hairs..

we both know Gho is essentially FUE with smaller needles and will still require HT clinics and tedious manual labor




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Iron_Man

25.04.2011, 12:07

@ hairman2

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

» Which serious problem? I disagree.. you come up with evidence mostly
» provided by Gho himself. I would like to see some independent data.

Do you really believe that an independent somebody (especially a HT clinic) will promote Dr. Gho with the same results?
("Look researchers, LOOOOOK - Gho's technique is perfectly working as claimed!!" )

LOL

argumentum ad ignorantiam

English
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
German
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_ignorantiam




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hairman2

25.04.2011, 12:02

@ Iron_Man

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

Iron Man.. in those ten years thousands of FUE doctors sprung out from all over the world offering this procedure. Thereby verifying FUE as a valid procedure.
If in the coming years a few dozen doctors start offering Gho's procedure and i see the first patients on these boards showing us their results. I will be convinced.

I'm not asking for a scientific paper.. i'm asking for experimental PROOF.. just as it was provided for FUE long before the 2002 paper was published.


» In 2002, someone published the 1st and so far THE LAST "study" about
» FUE - Follicular Unit Extraction:
»
» http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12174065
»
» After almost 10 years, where are the "statistically significant" (success)
» data?
»
» BHT - Body Hair Transplant:
» Where are the "statistically significant" data?
»
» I guess Dr. Gho, all his HSI doctors and finally all their patients give
» a sh't about your "before it can be considered scientifically solid".
» They all don't need any more proof by any other researchers!




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hairman2

25.04.2011, 11:46

@ Stevie.Dee

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

» Are you seriously coming up with articles from 1975 and 1982? Seriously?
» You cant compare medicine with physics. In physics everything can happen
» under certain circumstances.

If the date bothers you I can provide you with more recent examples too. I can even show you a paper written in 2008 by my physics department which they withdrew this year because it was wrong.

» But in medicine its more like " Yes" or "No" end of story. And if you so
» wanna have Gho on the Mythbusters Chair. How come that none of the clinics
» are actually disproving Gho?
» Could it be because they already knew the answer? That it is indeed
» working.

I could not disagree more. Physics is the purest, non-speculative science in the world. Nothing is believed until it has actually been observed. Even when mathematical proof and common logic is overwhelming, it will ALWAYS be considered a theory until an experiment proves it.

It is THE clearest "YES or NO" science in my opinion, there is nothing in between like "it kind of works".
I dont know what you are thinking of when you claim otherwise .. perhaps things like quantum theory and string theory.. these are called "theories" for a reason, because thats exactly what they are.. physics will only accept it as fact once it has been experimentally proven.

And I wont even get involved in your Hair Transplant Surgeon conspiracy theories as to why no one is trying to disprove Gho.

» If Gho wouldnt be true, your whole concept of hair transplantation wouldnt
» also be working because what Gho does is exactly like a hair transplant but
» on a smaller regenerative scale. Instead of extracting the whole organ, he
» is extractiong only the vital part and thats it.

you claim there is no difference between cutting out an entire organ and cutting out a portion of an organ and hoping it will regenerate itself? This is the vital difference between FUE and Gho. It's like suggesting transplanting half a heart and hoping the other half will regenerate and then claiming this MUST work because full heart transplants work as well.

» Why did plucked hairs grow on the scar of a FUT patient in Cooley Hitzigs
» Experiment ( no not one of them said this, the patient himself said it
» pvtpoint2000 or how his name was)

Hitzig actually did mention this in his presentation i think.

» Now you have a serious problem hairman2, how will you get out of this
» conversation here. Its funny that "Gho supporters" come up with evidence
» and science backup, while guys like you always come up with the same old
» crap and without backup instead you come with assumptions here.

Which serious problem? I disagree.. you come up with evidence mostly provided by Gho himself. I would like to see some independent data.

» Jahoda did it, some Chinese guys did it, some japanese guys did it, some
» korean guys did it, Hitzig did it, Cooley did it, Histogen did it, Ari did
» it, Cotsarelis did it (somehow), Roland Lauster did it, Cole witnessed it,
» Bernstein is doing it.

I agree that Hitzig, Cooley and Gho following similar approaches. But the other names really are doing totally different things.

I will repeat myself again... I am not denying anything, I am merely saying that i would like to see statistical proof about donor and recipient regrowth rates etc. I don't want the man who is financially profiting from this procedure, be the same person who informs me of it's downsides and only tells me how great it works. Anyone in their right mind should be demanding the same.

» You know those physic papers you descibed as wild claims well are in fact
» common in physics because physics are based on theories and possible hings.
» While medicine is based on sheer facts and case studies we can grasp.

lol.. you really didnt pay attention in physics class..
this was presented as an experiment with experimental data. it was not presented as a theory.. the theory of existence of magnetic monopoles was already shown by Maxwell himself.




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kekeke

25.04.2011, 00:30

@ Iron_Man

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

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Iron_Man

24.04.2011, 22:58

@ hairman2

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

» Gho's procedure of hair multiplication has yet to be proven and verified by
» a multitude of independent researchers before it can be considered
» scientifically solid. Whether you like it or not... this remains an
» unrefutable fact

In 2002, someone published the 1st and so far THE LAST "study" about FUE - Follicular Unit Extraction:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12174065

After almost 10 years, where are the "statistically significant" (success) data?

BHT - Body Hair Transplant:
Where are the "statistically significant" data?

I guess Dr. Gho, all his HSI doctors and finally all their patients give a sh't about your "before it can be considered scientifically solid". They all don't need any more proof by any other researchers!

Oh, and by the way - As already mentioned, "a multitude of independent researchers" HAVE already verified Gho's technique. And this technique is clearly not something like "how can I build a Space Shuttle". On the other hand, docs like Dr. Cole seem to be unable just to pluck a hair and to review weather or not the plucked hair has the ability to grow back ... :-|




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Stevie.Dee

24.04.2011, 22:19

@ hairman2

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

Are you seriously coming up with articles from 1975 and 1982? Seriously? You cant compare medicine with physics. In physics everything can happen under certain circumstances.

But in medicine its more like " Yes" or "No" end of story. And if you so wanna have Gho on the Mythbusters Chair. How come that none of the clinics are actually disproving Gho?

Could it be because they already knew the answer? That it is indeed working.

If Gho wouldnt be true, your whole concept of hair transplantation wouldnt also be working because what Gho does is exactly like a hair transplant but on a smaller regenerative scale. Instead of extracting the whole organ, he is extractiong only the vital part and thats it.

Why did plucked hairs grow on the scar of a FUT patient in Cooley Hitzigs Experiment ( no not one of them said this, the patient himself said it pvtpoint2000 or how his name was)

Now you have a serious problem hairman2, how will you get out of this conversation here. Its funny that "Gho supporters" come up with evidence and science backup, while guys like you always come up with the same old crap and without backup instead you come with assumptions here.

Jahoda did it, some Chinese guys did it, some japanese guys did it, some korean guys did it, Hitzig did it, Cooley did it, Histogen did it, Ari did it, Cotsarelis did it (somehow), Roland Lauster did it, Cole witnessed it, Bernstein is doing it.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm makes me wonder if all the names above are sc_am artists?

Fück you can just browse at this nbci.gov page and search for scientific paper about this subject and you will find tons of them from different decades etc

You know those physic papers you descibed as wild claims well are in fact common in physics because physics are based on theories and possible hings. While medicine is based on sheer facts and case studies we can grasp.

And to be honest here, Gho has to be a genius to fake his paper the way he does it here. He would have to bribe Martino Neuman (or bought the whole university) then he had to bribe burning victims (i think this is very unlikely to happen) he had to bribe the media (RTL etc and their newspapers) he had to bribe the judge TWO times... etc etc

Are you kidding me, this is really IMPOSSIBLE oh and Gho had to bribe the stem cells and alopecia as well, that they give away their potential and regrow them in the donor area. How could he bribe the stem cells? If you find an answer please let me know because i will bribe mine too.

I think the whole Gho discussion has come to an ridiculous halt here, where some people (usual suspects) come up with the same old bullcrap over and over again.




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hairman2

24.04.2011, 21:59

@ Iron_Man

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

» DOCTORS! I think it makes FAR MORE sense relying on PEER-REVIEWED
» hardcore science (very first step!), published in reputable medical
» journals (instead of reading BLAH BLAH BLAH posts/comments in internet
» forums or blogs).
»
» And here are some of such peer-reviewed hardcore science papers, published
» in reputable journals (high impact factors etc):

Dear Iron_Man,

the following peer reviewed paper was written and conducted by one of the world's most reputed psychologists, who made claimed that the future leaks into the present, or as he phrased it "time leaks". He says that our current decisions are influenced by consequences which will occur in the future.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2011/01/04/132622672/could-it-be-spooky-experiments-that-see-the-future

this peer reviewed paper by one of the worlds leading fathers of psychology also provided conclusive experimental data. It appears absurd and yet it was published in the renowned Journal of Personality and Social Psychology and remains very heavily debated in the scientific community

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The following two peer reviewed articles were published in the top 10 physics Journals. The independent authors both claimed to have experimentally proven the existence of magnetic monopoles.

http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v35/i8/p487_1
http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v48/i20/p1378_1



For the first paper in psychology, I dont feel qualified enough to judge whether it is true or not but its defiantly a very wild claim and by no means proven simply because of the existence of a peer reviewed paper. However concerning the second and third paper, it is clear that the existence of magnetic monopoles in nature has yet to be proven and the experiments have been shown to be inconsistent and the results have since been overturned.

These are just two examples of how peer reviewed papers even of very renowned journals and scientists by no means have to be true. True verification is when multiple independent scientists are able to reproduce the same results. That is when a theory is to be considered generally accepted and true.

Also, peer reviewed merely means that an independent scientist of given expertise in the same field has reviewed the theory along with the experimental data PROVIDED BY THE AUTHOR and decides if the interpretation is plausible and consistent. It however does NOT mean that the reviewer has conducted or verified any of the experimental data.

Gho's procedure of hair multiplication has yet to be proven and verified by a multitude of independent researchers before it can be considered scientifically solid. Whether you like it or not... this remains an unrefutable fact




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Stevie.Dee

24.04.2011, 19:54

@ Stevie.Dee

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

Ach so das hier ist mal witzig, ich empfehle dir einen Rotwein dazu um den Satz zu geniessen (da hat wohl eine Klinik Kunden verloren)

http://alopezie.de/foren/transplant/index.php/t/4448/#page_top




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Stevie.Dee

24.04.2011, 19:50

@ Iron_Man

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

» » WOW i totally missed Mr Z bashing me. I must have overread this.
» »
» » I am not a JOCKEY ...
»
» Are you "googoo" or what? Mr. Z answered googoo - not you. THINK before you
» post something, jockey!

Nope it was refering to me, because googoo asked me something and according to Mr Z i am jocky or so. Naaaahhhhhhh your attackings are useless here ;-) dont destroy the good picture everyone here gets from you ;-)




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Iron_Man

24.04.2011, 19:42

@ Stevie.Dee

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

» WOW i totally missed Mr Z bashing me. I must have overread this.
»
» I am not a JOCKEY ...

Are you "googoo" or what? Mr. Z answered googoo - not you. THINK before you post something, jockey!




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Stevie.Dee

24.04.2011, 19:39

@ Iron_Man

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

WOW i totally missed Mr Z bashing me. I must have overread this.

I am not a JOCKEY i posted the links to relevant studies and explained them for dummies (maybe some people are in fact braindead and not suffering from hairloss at all)

Facts remain, and i can give you guys an answer WHY nobody tries to disprove it

"If they would test it, they couldnt say it doesnt work becausen then they would be lying and everyone would know about it"

If they otherwise would admit " Yes it works, there whole existence would be blown to pieces forever without ever beeing able to recover themselves.

You know why Hitzig and Cooley started their Acell stuff? Because they are smart and know what happens in the future. But nobody could say about them, that they have just been sticking to their old techniques. We all know they pushed boundaries further.

And i can guarantee everyone here that in two years they will show us exactly what Gho does today, but they will call it another Name like Acell-FUP (Follicular Unit preservation) or A-DRFUE (Acell Donor Regeneration FUE) or anything like this.

But i can assure them it would be easier to just get in contact with Gho and to talk about licensing :-) They should just get in contact with him its easier for them and i bet Gho would not be overly rip them out. WHo knows maybe Hitzig and Cooley will open the first HSI in the US.

Fact is, the gme was changed the moment, Gho made this a consistent thing. I dont know which year but the future was already here. Even with liking roger_that for his somehow honest replys, he just didnt look at the whole industry picture, why Hitzig and Cooley are using Acell ;-) its an insurance for them not to get crushed.

Iron.Man : I like this "Game Over Speech" i can really feel how this one word send shivers down the spine of some clinics :-)

Und bevor ich es vergesse, habe mir mal bei alopezie den Gho Thread durchgelesen. Sehr interessant, sehr interessant. Es hat sich seit deinen Aussagen tatsächlich nichts verändert, sondern der Status ist eingetreten und genauso wird es bleiben. Allerdings denke ich dass ich mit meiner Histogen Einschätzung richtig liege, die sind bestimmt gerade am werkeln wie sie es konkreter machen können, dass Haare richtig dicht wachsen wie original. Tja irgendwer sollte denen das Gho Paper als kleinen Denkanstoss geben von wegen flüssig und fest, damit es Klick macht




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Iron_Man

24.04.2011, 19:13

@ roger_that

Is Dr. Gho's HST a Viable Solution to Hairloss?

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Well, said, Mr. Z!
Relying on INTERNET JOCKEYS (check out my signature for examples) doesn’t really make sense. It doesn’t even make sense relying on any INTERNET DOCTORS! I think it makes FAR MORE sense relying on PEER-REVIEWED hardcore science (very first step!), published in reputable medical journals (instead of reading BLAH BLAH BLAH posts/comments in internet forums or blogs).

And here are some of such peer-reviewed hardcore science papers, published in reputable journals (high impact factors etc):

Donor hair follicle preservation by partial follicular unit extraction. A method to optimize hair transplantation
http://www.hasci.com/uploads/downloads/dad01225-0ceb-4a30-90c4-771ed900f25aHSI%20-%20Artikel_Gho%20Neumann.pdf

Improved hair restoration method for burns
http://www.hasci.com/uploads/downloads/93002f6d-ede0-47bf-a7a9-a4ec394bcca7GhoNeumannJBUR3375.pdf

Secondly, one of them has been published 1 year ago (!). The “hair research & hair restoration industry” all over the world (from the Netherlands up to China and Japan) is FULLY aware about these important scientific papers. Until today, NOBODY on this planet tried to DISPROVE these papers/Gho’s claims - none, zilch, zero!

Wouldn’t it be EXTREMLY easy for them (especially for “FUE jockeys”,
plaintiffs, idiots etc) to DISPROVE Dr. Gho HST technique to harm him?
I mean, at least to DISPROVE the DONOR REGENERATION part by extracting some follicular units AS DESCRIBED in those papers and look weather or not hair RE-GROWS or not in the donor area after a few weeks, as claimed by Dr. Gho?
NO! It seems that’s impossible for them!
Conclusion: INCOMPETENCE – as well as a word what begin with “f” is clearly involved too (personal opinion)!

Producing 2 healthy hair follicles from 1 - “clearly not possible”??
Come on – personally I’m aware of more than 30 (!) of such independent scientific papers (weather or not it’s possible). Here is one of the latest of such scientific papers:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19438685

Conclusion of this completely independent study, who tried to clarify this issue once and for all?
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“Duplicative surgery might represent a successful alternative for hair transplantation, because both portions are capable of regenerating a healthy hair. Moreover, our results suggest the possible presence of stem cells in both halves of the follicle."
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(BTW – this independent study CONFIRMED Dr. Gho’s old FM technique (horizontal bisection), as well as Dr. Gho’s old hair follicle stem cell research papers.)

So, pardon me, but WHERE THE FÜCK IS ANY VALID DISPROVE?

Even authorities in the Netherlands (“10 idiots against 1 Gho”) found FAR MORE valid PROOF for Gho’s HST claims than ANY valid disprove:

http://www.hasci.com/uploads/downloads/8a512a7f-88e8-41e0-b9ac-510e41c049b3Beslissing%20van%20de%20RCC%2023.03.11.pdf

Some (essential) EXCERPTs concerning other INDEPENDENT EXPERTS and about the “clinical relevance” of Dr. Gho’s HST technique in general:
(Try to translate it yourself - just in case you mistrust my translation skills!)
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Translation (Dutch/English)
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Thereby, the Court of Appeal notes in the first place, Prof. Dr. P. van Zuijlen, professor of burn recovery at the VUMC-University, regarding the "clinical relevance of the HairStemcellTransplantation" as follows:

"Not only our great patient-satisfaction, but also the technique itself appears remarkably well working in scarred skin. To date, we have not seen any complaints about hair loss or problems with the donor area, nor have we heard obout it. We are impressed of the possibilities with HairStemcell Transplantation for burn victims. In particular about the conservation of the donor-area, which is limited for burns patients, the clinical relevance of this method, especially for this patient group, is very high."

The Court of Appeal also relates to the declaration of Dr. C. Lafaire, Medical Burn Center, as follows:

"Some of my patients have been successfully treated with this technique as wished by me and my patients. With this method, which is very effective, there is no scarring and ongoing hair growth. Thus, you can clearly speak of hair multiplication, because the total number of the hair increases thereby in the scalp."

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Moreover …
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Translation (Dutch/English)
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Also [besides the already mentioned experts], from other expert-declarations, which have been submitted in this lawsuit-procedure, show that Hair StemCell Transplantation can lead to hair multiplication. The Court of Appeal thereby refers to the declarations of Dr. Woods, Dr. Mohebi and the (rectified) declarations of Dr. Boersma on January 25, 2010. It is neither alleged nor proved that these persons have a business relationship with HSI. The declatations of Dr. Boersma thereby explicitly refers to the HST-method and thereby we hold on:

"A closer look reveals that the HAIR SCIENCE INSTITUTE with the HairStemcell Transplantation has certainly the ability to make 2 follicles from 1, so that little or no hair loss occurs in the donor-area."

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CONCLUSION
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So, pardon me, but all in all, do I (personally) need any comments (or polls) by any incompetent INTERNET JOCKEYS about weather or not Dr. Gho’s HST technique is working? NO!

By the way …

Dear hair restoration industry,
I hereby would like to transmit you the following short message concerning Dr. Gho’s HST technique:

THE GAME IS OVER!

… because Dr. Gho has not just “apparently changed the game”, he already has CLEARLY changed the game!

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p.s. DO NOT quote such long posts!




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