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Spanish Dude

18.02.2012, 01:45
 

POLL: Is dr. Gho's advertisement false? (Hair Multiplication & Stem Cells Treatment)

Go to the front page of Gho's website:
www.hasci.com

I think this is a false advertisement. I explained it here:
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-90519.html

Iron_Man thinks it is a normal advertisement.

POLL: Do you think it is a false advertisement? Yes, No?

Poll Vote
 Is dr. Gho\'s advertisement a false one?
29% (4) 1. It is a totally false advertisement.
21% (3) 2. It is misleading.
0% (0) 3. It is confusing.
50% (7) 4. It is a legit advertisement. No problem.
  14 voters have answered this question.

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27.02.2012, 17:46

@ Hair Science Institute

Response from Hair Science Institute

Thank you Hair Science Institute for taking the time to offer your explanation on the subject matter.

Case closed. No further discussion allowed on the topic.

Thanks.




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27.02.2012, 13:20

@ Spanish Dude

Response from Hair Science Institute

Dear Hair Site readers,

We have noted the accusation that the 'before' and 'after' photos of Gerard Joling (GJ) on our website were in fact 'after' and 'before' photos -in other words with hair before treatment and without hair after treatment. This is actually true; however...

9 november 2009
GJ received his first treatment at our clinic in Maastricht(Netherlands): 1500 grafts were transplanted to the hairline and front. During that treatment, photos were taken. However, as agreed with GJ and his management, these were not to be used by HSI for publicity purposes. So our website shows only two photos before treatment of an unshaven GJ: see the bottom news item in NEWS/FILE: GERARD JOLING.

However, in all the PDFs and videos made by third parties it can be clearly seen what GJ looked like: shaven. And that is also how he looked immediately before and after the second treatment in July 2011.

11 July 2011
GJ reveided his second treatment. This time for his crown which had also thinned due to natural hair loss. Again, photos were taken: both with hair before the treatment and shaven during and after the treatment. These photos we were allowed to use in our communication.

The photo with hair is therefore in fact an 'after' photo of the result over a year and a half after his initial treatment!

The photo of the shaven GJ was therefore indeed taken during the second treatment, but: 'before' photos of GJ before his initial treatment looked exactly the same, but, as agreed, we were not allowed to use them.

The crux
So what we showed is a photo of GJ with a shaved head. Whether that photo was taken in 2009 or in 2011 effectively makes no difference: the shaven GJ of 2009 looks exactly like the shaven GJ of 2011. But the photo with hair definitely is a photo after treatment!

We can imagine that the use of the two images may have caused some misunderstanding. However, before rushing to accuse someone of false advertising, it is wise to first ask that party for their version of events. Even if you want to remain anonymous, we will be pleased to answer your questions - questions like these in particular!

Finally: Gerard Joling is a pop artist and performer who is famous in The Netherlands. He would never allow himself to be used for the kind of con-trick suggested. If he did, he would cause himself irreparable damage. That fact alone should have provided a clue that perhaps something else was going on.

Yours sincerely,
Management and Team of Hair Science Institute




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Iron_Man

27.02.2012, 11:09

@ Spanish Dude

The RCC is going to kick Spanish Dud's butt

» You are both trolling for Gho from the very beginning.

Exactly …
[image]
Proof: http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-90378.html

… because without the trolls,
nobody would Spanish Dud, the imbecile, show the way to the truth – as well as correcting his imbecility.

So what part of your own words don't you understand??




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Spanish Dude

27.02.2012, 02:48

@ needhairasap

The RCC is going to kick Spanish Dud's butt

» the debate is over... you really need to give up on it. I'm starting to
» agree with Ironman that you may be mental. You're so desperate to
» rationalize your argument(s), even in the face of piles of contrary
» evidence. It's sad....


no, you are not "starting to agree" with Iron_Man. You are both trolling for Gho from the very beginning.




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Iron_Man

26.02.2012, 16:01

@ needhairasap

The RCC is going to kick Spanish Dud's butt

» the debate is over...

No, because Spanish Dud’s new incrimination is …

» You keep failing to understand that you can't compare a shaved head
» with a non-shaved head. This is the most blatant form of photographic
» manipulation.
[image]
As you can see Spanish Dud – even reputable TV stations and TV moderators can do this!!

Watch this Video in full screen mode:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktSdKPFUeaU




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needhairasap

26.02.2012, 05:15

@ Spanish Dude

The RCC is going to kick Spanish Dud's butt

» You keep failing to understand that you can't compare a shaved head with a
» non-shaved head. This is the most blatant form of photographic
» manipulation.
»
» We often complain regarding other doctors, that the lightning is not the
» same, the hairstyle, etc, but this time, Gho went over the roof!!


the debate is over... you really need to give up on it. I'm starting to agree with Ironman that you may be mental. You're so desperate to rationalize your argument(s), even in the face of piles of contrary evidence. It's sad....




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moopookoo

26.02.2012, 02:53

@ Spanish Dude

The RCC is going to kick Spanish Dud's butt

» You keep failing to understand that you can't compare a shaved head with a
» non-shaved head. This is the most blatant form of photographic
» manipulation.
»
» We often complain regarding other doctors, that the lightning is not the
» same, the hairstyle, etc, but this time, Gho went over the roof!!

we all know that Ghos marketing sucks, i beleive in his technique that it works as he is not afraid to do high NW celebrities

maybe he shd ve followed conventional standard before/after protocol that everyone else is using, it would be easier for ppl to understand. its not misleading but its rather confusing,

on the other hand if you go through videos you ll see its all looking good.
his shaved donor looks untouched after 1500, im happy with that and thats all we shd care abt




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Iron_Man

25.02.2012, 22:40
(edited by Iron_Man, 25.02.2012, 23:01)

@ Spanish Dude

The RCC is going to kick Spanish Dud's butt

» You keep failing to understand that you can't compare a shaved head with a
» non-shaved head.

Why is it all of a sudden "a shaved head" for you?

You started your psychiatric claims with "slick BALD head vs. very hairy head" and suddenly it's "a shaved head"??
And WHO (meaning, which psychiatric loser besides you) says "you can't compare a shaved vs. a hairy head"??

Would there be ANYTHING better for a psychiatric loser like you if they would use one of these 2 real BEFORE photos instead of the shaved ('bald') one??
[image]
Shaved or unshaved ...
would there be ANYTHING better than now on Gho's website?

Feel free to make a photo-montage in the "correct order" so that a loser like you feels better afterwards - and don't forget to send your preferred photo-montage Dr. Gho ... maybe Mr. Joling allows them to publish it. :-D




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Spanish Dude

25.02.2012, 22:10

@ Iron_Man

The RCC is going to kick Spanish Dud's butt

You keep failing to understand that you can't compare a shaved head with a non-shaved head. This is the most blatant form of photographic manipulation.

We often complain regarding other doctors, that the lightning is not the same, the hairstyle, etc, but this time, Gho went over the roof!!




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Iron_Man

25.02.2012, 18:03

@ Iron_Man

The RCC is going to kick Spanish Dud's butt

» I can see a photo of Mr. Joling after having his 1st HST procedure with
»
» 1) his existing hair he had BEFORE his 1st HST procedure;
» 2) PLUS 1500 HST grafts to thicken up his existing hair.
»
» Here you can see him about 1 week after having his 1st HST
» procedure:
»
» http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfmqurn11xM&feature=related

Sorry - 2 weeks after having his 1st HST procedure ...
[image]




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Iron_Man

25.02.2012, 16:02
(edited by Iron_Man, 25.02.2012, 16:27)

@ Spanish Dude

The RCC is going to kick Spanish Dud's butt

» no, the hairs are not oily, greasy or wet. In the video you can see that,
» when Gho touches them, they are pretty hardened. It is a fixing liquid or
» something, to create a front screen of hair. The sorrounding hair is not
» like that.

And what can you see on this photo when you click on it to enlage it?

http://media.nu.nl/m/m1dzlkcaaqry.jpg

Dry, wet, greasy, oily or fatty hair - or a wig?

I can tell you what I can see on this photo after clicking it to enlarge it:

I can see a photo of Mr. Joling after having his 1st HST procedure with

1) his existing hair he had BEFORE his 1st HST procedure;
2) PLUS 1500 HST grafts to thicken up his existing hair.

Here you can see him about 1 week after having his 1st HST procedure:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfmqurn11xM&feature=related

Ah, I know, Spanish Dud has never ever seen this video ...
... we talked about 2 years ago already.
In this video (link above) you can actually see Mr. Jolings FINAL RESULT already (existing hairs + 1500 HST grafts), because implanted HST grafts don't fall out just after 1 week (if at all). So you can see practically completely the same what you can see on Dr. Gho's "front page" currently - Mr. Joling's shaved head after having 1 HST procedure. Whereby the latter doesn't matter that much, because another photo, shaved head without having any HST procedure at all, would practically indeed almost look like the same on a photo for any viewer like now with 1500 HST grafts ...
[image]
Mr. Joling is on this photo (before any HST procedure) clearly NOT completely slick bald - his existing hairs in the front area simply weren't dense enough for any acceptable coverage - the latter has been the reason for his usage of so-called hair-extensions. But NOW - he simply don't need them anymore.

@moopookoo - Mr. Joling got 1650 HST grafts in his 2nd procedure for his crown area and just a few grafts in the front area. So all in all so far - 3150 HST grafts.




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Spanish Dude

25.02.2012, 15:13

@ Iron_Man

The RCC is going to kick Spanish Dud's butt

» » And note the "paste texture" ar the front. What is that? volumizer?
»
» Sorry, I'm not Mr. Joling's hairdresser - you should ask him.
»
» Actually, it rather looks like that they made the hairs wet. And if hairs
» are wet or greasy or oily or fatty - everybody knows that such hairs look
» more faint/thin than dry hairs. Oh, I forgot, you CAN'T know this! :-D

no, the hairs are not oily, greasy or wet. In the video you can see that, when Gho touches them, they are pretty hardened. It is a fixing liquid or something, to create a front screen of hair. The sorrounding hair is not like that.




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moopookoo

25.02.2012, 14:15

@ Iron_Man

How many grafts did joling have all together?

1st procedure 1500 grafts
what abt 2nd?

1500 is not a small number, no FUE can achieve that without dots or gaps

do we have pix of shaved donor after 2nd procedure


gho got FUE docs scratchin their heads

I feel he is legit after all we have seen.




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Iron_Man

25.02.2012, 04:12

@ Spanish Dude

The RCC is going to kick Spanish Dud's butt

» And note the "paste texture" ar the front. What is that? volumizer?

Sorry, I'm not Mr. Joling's hairdresser - you should ask him.

Actually, it rather looks like that they made the hairs wet. And if hairs are wet or greasy or oily or fatty - everybody knows that such hairs look more faint/thin than dry hairs. Oh, I forgot, you CAN'T know this! :-D




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Spanish Dude

25.02.2012, 03:55

@ Iron_Man

The RCC is going to kick Spanish Dud's butt

this is the final result, after the 1st treatment (1500 grafts):
[image]
[image]

as you see, not very spectacular.
And note the "paste texture" ar the front. What is that? volumizer?




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Iron_Man

25.02.2012, 03:44

@ Iron_Man

The RCC is going to kick Spanish Dud's butt

» [image]
» The latter was Mr. Joling’s aim – simply having more REAL hairs instead of
» always the usage of artificial hair extensions techniques (bonding of
» artificial hairs). That’s all. There is really nothing new!
» They even discussed many years ago on haarweb.nl Mr. Jolings usage of
» hair-extensions …
» http://www.haarweb.nl/forum/showpost.php?p=32357&postcount=10

Oh, just in case you guys don't know what "artificial hair-extensions" is ...
Video 1
http://youtu.be/3HVTyNphp84
Video 2
http://youtu.be/MBOcUcXJbcw
Video 3
http://youtu.be/HWxNi_LguCg

This could be something for you, Spanish Dud.
Oh, I forgot - you can't, because you're completely slick bald! :-D
(there is nothing where they could fix/bond artificial hairs on his head)




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Iron_Man

25.02.2012, 03:12
(edited by Iron_Man, 25.02.2012, 03:47)

@ Spanish Dude

The RCC is going to kick Spanish Dud's butt

» >>>>>>>>>>>
» This is ridiculous.
»
» 1. first deception: They admit that the "shaved photo", that is presented
» as "before photo", is in reality an "after photo". The photographs are
» switched. This is a deception.
»
» 2. They say that the shaved photo of 2011 looks exactly like the shaved
» photo of 2009, and thus, the shaved photo can be used as "before photo".
» This is twisted minded to say the least. In first place, you cannot compare
» a shaven photo with a non-shaved photo!! Even if the shaved photo was from
» 2009, the comparison would be a fraüd!!
»
» <<<<<<<<<<<<<<

What the hell is so complicated here??
There is absolutely nothing new here, because Mr. Joling’s BEFORE photos (BEFORE any HST procedure at all!) are published on Dr. Gho’s website since 2 years - even in English documented!
[image]
They even discussed these photos for the recent TV-broadcast (Oct 2011) in the Netherlands …
[image]
[image]
[image]
And now try to imagine how Mr. Joling would look like with shaved hairs in Nov 2009 – actually almost completely equal as with shaved hairs in 2011 – whereby in 2011 just with about 3000 more single hairs (1500 grafts)! The latter was Mr. Joling’s aim – simply having more REAL hairs instead of always the usage of artificial hair extensions techniques (bonding of artificial hairs). That’s all. There is really nothing new!
They even discussed many years ago on haarweb.nl Mr. Jolings usage of hair-extensions …
http://www.haarweb.nl/forum/showpost.php?p=32357&postcount=10

There is absolutely nothing new here!




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gc83uk

25.02.2012, 02:17

@ Spanish Dude

Hasci kick SD's Butt

As if Hasci weren't already busy being so booked up, now because of all this extra attention they are going to be inundated with customers.




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Spanish Dude

25.02.2012, 01:45

@ Iron_Man

The RCC is going to kick Gho's butt

This is my post in Haarweb:
http://www.haarweb.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=29939&page=3

>>>>>>>>>>>
This is ridiculous.

1. first deception: They admit that the "shaved photo", that is presented as "before photo", is in reality an "after photo". The photographs are switched. This is a deception.

2. They say that the shaved photo of 2011 looks exactly like the shaved photo of 2009, and thus, the shaved photo can be used as "before photo". This is twisted minded to say the least. In first place, you cannot compare a shaven photo with a non-shaved photo!! Even if the shaved photo was from 2009, the comparison would be a fraüd!!

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<




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Iron_Man

24.02.2012, 17:53

@ Iron_Man

Response from the Hair Science Institute on haarweb.nl

» *************************************************************
» So our website shows only two photos before treatment of an unshaven GJ:
» see the bottom news item in NEWS/FILE: GERARD JOLING.
» **********************************************
http://www.hasci.com/
[image]




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Iron_Man

24.02.2012, 17:09

@ Spanish Dude

Response from the Hair Science Institute on haarweb.nl

» Go to the front page of Gho's website:
» www.hasci.com
»
» I think this is a false advertisement. I explained it here:
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-90519.html
»
» Iron_Man thinks it is a normal advertisement.
»
» POLL: Do you think it is a false advertisement? Yes, No?
*************************************************************

Response from the Hair Science Institute on haarweb.nl


Original post: http://www.haarweb.nl/forum/showpost.php?p=302149&postcount=35

Dear HairSite readers,


We have noted the accusation that the “before” and “after” photos of Gerard Joling (GJ) on our website were in fact “after” and “before” photos – in other words with hair before treatment and without hair after treatment. This is actually true; however…

9 November 2009
GJ received his first treatment at our clinic in Maastricht (Netherlands): 1500 grafts were transplanted to the hairline and front. During that treatment, photos were taken.
However, as agreed with GJ and his management, these were not to be used by HSI for publicity purposes.

So our website shows only two photos before treatment of an unshaven GJ: see the bottom news item in NEWS/FILE: GERARD JOLING.

However, in all the PDFs and videos made by third parties it can be clearly seen what GJ looked like: shaven. And that is also how he looked immediately before and after the second treatment in July 2011.

11 July 2011
GJ received his second treatment. This time for his crown which had since also thinned due to natural hair loss. Again, photos were taken: both with hair before the treatment and shaven during and after the treatment. These photos we were allowed to use in our communication.

The photo with hair is therefore in fact an “after” photo of the result over a year and a half after his initial treatment!

The photo of the shaven GJ was therefore indeed taken during the second treatment, but:
“before” photos of GJ before his initial treatment looked exactly the same, but, as agreed, we were not allowed to use them.

The crux
So what we showed is a photo of GJ with a shaved head. Whether that photo was taken in 2009 or in 2011 effectively makes no difference: the shaven GJ of 2009 looks exactly like the shaven GJ of 2011. But the photo with hair definitely is a photo after treatment!

We can imagine that the use of the two images may have caused some misunderstandings. However, before rushing to accuse someone of fräud, it is wise to first ask that party for their version of events. Even if you want to remain anonymous, we will be pleased to answer your questions – questions like this in particular!

Finally: Gerard Joling is a pop artist and performer who is famous in the Netherlands. He would never allow himself to be used for the kind of con-trick suggested. If he did, he would cause himself irreparable damage. That fact alone should have provided a clue that perhaps something else was going on.

Yours sincerely,
Management and Team of Hair Science Institute
**********************************************




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Spanish Dude

22.02.2012, 21:54

@ Iron_Man

POLL: Is Spanish Dud ripe for the straitjacket?

» » true, thanks for the (irrelevant) correction.
»
» Correcting something is truly NOT "irrelevant" - lying all the time
» is sick, if not criminal.

maybe you should report me to the RCC, so that they give all your personal data to me. :-)




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Iron_Man

22.02.2012, 20:08

@ Spanish Dude

POLL: Is Spanish Dud ripe for the straitjacket?

» true, thanks for the (irrelevant) correction.

Correcting something is truly NOT "irrelevant" - lying all the time is sick, if not criminal.




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Spanish Dude

22.02.2012, 19:42

@ Iron_Man

POLL: Is Spanish Dud ripe for the straitjacket?

true, thanks for the (irrelevant) correction.

» ALL these photos you posted were taken on Monday, July 11, 2011 and videos
» of TV-broadcasts confirm this and these photos - the day, Mr. Joling had
» his 2nd HST procedure for his crown area.
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-88804-page-0-category-17-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html
»
» So Spanish Dud, when will you stop to lie and to fool and to mislead
» people?




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Iron_Man

22.02.2012, 18:44
(edited by Iron_Man, 22.02.2012, 19:10)

@ Spanish Dude

POLL: Is Spanish Dud ripe for the straitjacket?

» This picture was taken on September 6th, 2011.

Is this Spanish Dud's lie #539 or #538?
Sorry, but I can't count anymore, there too many lies ...

ALL these photos you posted were taken on Monday, July 11, 2011 and videos of TV-broadcasts confirm this and these photos - the day, Mr. Joling had his 2nd HST procedure for his crown area.
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-88804-page-0-category-17-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html

So Spanish Dud, when will you stop to lie and to fool and to mislead people?




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Spanish Dude

22.02.2012, 18:10

@ Iron_Man

Gerard Joling got bald in a few minutes?? SHOCK LOSS??

This picture was taken on September 6th, 2011.
As you see, Gerard Joling enjoys a beautiful head full of hair.

[image]


But just minutes after that photo was taken, it seems that Gerard Joling was balding again!!

[image]
[image]




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Iron_Man

22.02.2012, 01:28

@ Iron_Man

POLL: Is Spanish Dud ripe for the straitjacket?

» » The pics are confusing ...
»
» So you say the pics are confusing for you - even you followed VERY CLOSELY
» Gerard Joling's case/story since more than 2 years????????????
»
» You yourself even "documented" Joling's story & photos regularly and you
» labeled them with wild (ts ts ts - I mean false) claims since day 1
» they appeared here on HairSite over 2 years ago and now you claim 2
» new photos can CONFUSE you, what means the poor poor Spanish Dud has
» absolutely no clue what these unlabeled photos show, what confuses him
» sooooooo much????
»
» So tell me, HOW STUPID are you in reality?
»
» edit -
» Here is 1 proof (of tons of proof) ...
»
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-68538.html#p68538

btw - Spanish Dud labeled this/his created thread ~19 month(!!) ago with
"This is all Gho can do folks! (Gerard Joling-the clarifying thread)"

What? "The clarifying thread"??

And now look Spanish Dud (and "folks"...),
here is what Dr. Gho can do WITH JUST 1500 HST GRAFTS (!) ...
[image]
Ok, now I understand why Spanish Dud is confused:
Spanish Dud has never ever seen a 1-year after HT result in his life. :-|




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Iron_Man

22.02.2012, 00:52
(edited by Iron_Man, 22.02.2012, 01:14)

@ Spanish Dude

POLL: Is Spanish Dud ripe for the straitjacket?

» The pics are confusing ...

So you say the pics are confusing for you - even you followed VERY CLOSELY Gerard Joling's case/story since more than 2 years????????????

You yourself even "documented" Joling's story & photos regularly and you labeled them with wild (ts ts ts - I mean false) claims since day 1 they appeared here on HairSite over 2 years ago and now you claim 2 new photos can CONFUSE you, what means the poor poor Spanish Dud has absolutely no clue what these unlabeled photos show, what confuses him sooooooo much????

So tell me, HOW STUPID are you in reality?

edit -
Here is 1 proof (of tons of proof) ...

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-68538.html#p68538




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needhairasap

22.02.2012, 00:41

@ Spanish Dude

POLL: Is dr. Gho's advertisement false?

» » Why on earth do you spend so much time obsessing about Gho? The pics
» are
» » confusing but it's not like Gho stole some other doctor's pics and
» » pretended that they are his patients.
»
» No, but this trick is much better. The result is more spectacular, and the
» patient won't complain.
»
» The pics are confusing because they are meant to be that way.
» And Gho is not removing them.
»
» Are you telling me that Gho has not seen the front page of his own website
» in the last 6 months? Gimme a F-break!

Is this what its come to SD? The photos may be confusing but you can clearly see joling in multiple videos showing his procedure from beginning to end. Gho has more media and publications out than any other doc.... There must be 30+ vids alone on the site




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Spanish Dude

21.02.2012, 23:56

@ YM

POLL: Is dr. Gho's advertisement false?

» Why on earth do you spend so much time obsessing about Gho? The pics are
» confusing but it's not like Gho stole some other doctor's pics and
» pretended that they are his patients.

No, but this trick is much better. The result is more spectacular, and the patient won't complain.

The pics are confusing because they are meant to be that way.
And Gho is not removing them.

Are you telling me that Gho has not seen the front page of his own website in the last 6 months? Gimme a F-break!




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Iron_Man

21.02.2012, 20:35

@ YM

POLL: Is Spanish Dud ripe for the straitjacket?

» Why on earth do you spend so much time obsessing about Gho? The pics are
» confusing but it's not like Gho stole some other doctor's pics and
» pretended that they are his patients.

Do you think it makes sense to discuss completely indisputable things with someone who is definitely ripe for the straitjacket??
[image]




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YM

21.02.2012, 19:52

@ Spanish Dude

POLL: Is dr. Gho's advertisement false?

Why on earth do you spend so much time obsessing about Gho? The pics are confusing but it's not like Gho stole some other doctor's pics and pretended that they are his patients.




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Iron_Man

20.02.2012, 20:24
(edited by Iron_Man, 20.02.2012, 20:42)

@ Spanish Dude

http://spanishdude.webs.com/Main.htm

» As long as Pro-hair doesn't claim HM-miracles without solid proof ...

How can someone make a claim about hair multiplication,
when he is completely unable to calculate this???
[image]

Oh, and WHO has been the one at all on this planet, who defined the term "hair multiplication"?

Furthermore ...
[image]
[image]
“Extremely tiny extraction instruments” – “Special holding solution” …
Spanish Dud,
do you know the size/diameter of e.g. a 2-hair follicle graft? No?
All human scalp hair follicles have completely the same size and shape??
If they think 0.7 or 0.8 extraction needles are “extremely tiny”,
does it mean that 0.5 or 0.6 extraction needles are “EXTREME extremely tiny”??

“Special holding solution”?
Interesting – I didn’t know that normal saline solution counts as “special holding solution” in this field,
because about 90% of all HT-clinics out there still use normal saline solution -including Prohair. Because the latter was admitted by bverotti himself on HairSite. So what’s so “special”?
Or should a patient just get the impression that something “special” is going on there what could be "good" for him??




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Spanish Dude

20.02.2012, 19:44

@ Iron_Man

http://spanishdude.webs.com/Main.htm

Indeed, Iron_Man, I offered help to Bverotti, I am very open about it.
Furthermore, if you tomorrow decide to attack dr. Gho, I will offer you help too, even if I think that you are a complete asshole.

Now, if you have anything against pro-hair, go ahead and put a complaint in the RCC.

As long as Pro-hair doesn't claim HM-miracles without solid proof, its not my business to investigate if he uses doctors or girlies to operate on the patients. The issue is simply boring to me.


» » thanks, Ironed_Man:
» » http://spanishdude.webs.com/Main.htm
» »
» » This website proves that I was right. Bazan was a charlatan ...
»
» By the way – INDEED pretty interesting!
»
» So does it mean that Spanish Dud finds it totally uncool when any
» individuals or “fake surgeons” offer “plastic/cosmetic surgery
» services”???
»
» Interesting …
» [image]
» Source: http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-83167.html#p83183
»
»
» Who the hell is Bverotti??
»
» Is he a physician? Is he medical doctor? Is he a doctor for
» plastic/cosmetic surgery??
» Is someone of his girlies in the clinic who extract tissue from human
» bodies a physician or medical doctor or plastic/cosmetic surgeon?? Is any
» guy who OBSERVES their medical work a physician or medical doctor or
» plastic/cosmetic surgeon or offers plastic/cosmetic medical services??
»
» Where the hell is the physician or medical doctor or plastic/cosmetic
» surgeon in this clinic YOU OFFERED HELP to destroy Dr. Gho??
»
» Wait wait wait, let me get this issue straight …
»
» On one hand you attack and vote against “fake surgeons” and/or fake
» plastic/cosmetic surgeons …
» … and on the other hand you SUPPORT and OFFER HELP such individuals??????
»
» I’m totally confused …
»
» Oh, I forgot – it’s of course your intention to confuse and fool HS readers
» and/or people in general.




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Iron_Man

20.02.2012, 13:11

@ Spanish Dude

http://spanishdude.webs.com/Main.htm

» thanks, Ironed_Man:
» http://spanishdude.webs.com/Main.htm
»
» This website proves that I was right. Bazan was a charlatan ...

By the way – INDEED pretty interesting!

So does it mean that Spanish Dud finds it totally uncool when any individuals or “fake surgeons” offer “plastic/cosmetic surgery services”???

Interesting …
[image]
Source: http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-83167.html#p83183

Who the hell is Bverotti??

Is he a physician? Is he medical doctor? Is he a doctor for plastic/cosmetic surgery??
Is someone of his girlies in the clinic who extract tissue from human bodies a physician or medical doctor or plastic/cosmetic surgeon?? Is any guy who OBSERVES their medical work a physician or medical doctor or plastic/cosmetic surgeon or offers plastic/cosmetic medical services??

Where the hell is the physician or medical doctor or plastic/cosmetic surgeon in this clinic YOU OFFERED HELP to destroy Dr. Gho??

Wait wait wait, let me get this issue straight …

On one hand you attack and vote against “fake surgeons” and/or fake plastic/cosmetic surgeons …
… and on the other hand you SUPPORT and OFFER HELP such individuals??????

I’m totally confused …

Oh, I forgot – it’s of course your intention to confuse and fool HS readers and/or people in general.




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Iron_Man

20.02.2012, 12:19

@ Spanish Dude

http://spanishdude.webs.com/Main.htm

» thanks, Ironed_Man:
» http://spanishdude.webs.com/Main.htm
»
» This website proves that I was right. Bazan was a charlatan, and JB & JTR
» were a couple of assholes. Same as you, Ironed_Man.

Sometimes even the stupidest blind squirrel finds a nut – just "per puro caso"!

Meaning, this per-puro-caso-bazan thing, doesn't change the facts IN GENERAL -period!

So this useless bazan-thing is your only defense???




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Spanish Dude

20.02.2012, 12:11

@ Iron_Man

http://spanishdude.webs.com/Main.htm

thanks, Ironed_Man:
http://spanishdude.webs.com/Main.htm

This website proves that I was right. Bazan was a charlatan, and JB & JTR were a couple of assholes. Same as you, Ironed_Man.




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Iron_Man

20.02.2012, 09:44

@ Iron_Man

the correct photos are buried in a path of depth=7

» Spanish Dud wrote:
» » And note that these small needles can't move 3-hair grafts or
» higher.
» No Spanish Dud,
» your misleading claim #126 (or is it already false and misleading claim
» #150?) is again completely false and misleading ...

Ok, I think it's time to make poll concerning whether or not ...
----------------------------------------
Page 01. JB says that SD is a loser.
JB says that SD's life is bitter, miserable and depressed.
JB says that SD posts false evidence

Page 04. JB says that SD is a con man.
JB says that SD is issuing lies and false allegations.
JB says that SD is misinforming and misleading people on Hairsite by posting lies and false allegations.
JB says that SD takes text out of context to harm people
JB says that SD is a loser who builds himself up by tearing others down
JB says that SD is the biggest con artist and liar Hairsite has ever witnessed
JB says that SD is an hypocrite, a con artist, and a liar, that is using propaganda to mislead people.
etc

Source: http://spanishdude.webs.com/JB_Attacks_index.htm
----------------------------------------

... James Bond's claims are right or wrong?

Anyway, what I find really really amusing is that Spanish Dud considers these FACTS as "attacks"! :-D
No Spanish Dud, these facts are simply FACTS - not attacks!




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Iron_Man

20.02.2012, 09:21

@ Spanish Dude

the correct photos are buried in a path of depth=7

Spanish Dud wrote:
» And note that these small needles can't move 3-hair grafts or higher.
No Spanish Dud,
your misleading claim #126 (or is it already false and misleading claim #150?) is again completely false and misleading – even you always talk so much (and most of all so much BS) about Dr. Gho’s JDT and other articles …
[image]
[image]
Ok, Spanish Dud, do you know what "TRIangular configuration" means? No?
Let me explain ...
Hold up just 1) your thumb + 2) your digit + 3) your ass-finger (the finger you use most in your life). Now all 3 fingers build a so-called triangular configuration. Ok, in the next step splay these 3 fingers apart and try to stuck this splayed apart 3-finger-configuration deep deep into your ass - as you usually do so after talking BS with not splayed apart fingers.

Anyway, does it work?
Or does your ass (aka needle hole) always force your splayed apart 3-finger (aka hair shafts) triangular configuration pulling them together? On the other hand, I assume that especially in your case it won't be a problem for your ass anymore even you splay apart ALL your fingers on your hand! :-D




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needhairasap

20.02.2012, 05:32

@ Spanish Dude

the correct photos are buried in a path of depth=7

» OOOaahhhh... so strict with me, eh, Gaz? Because there are a few 3-hair
» grafts, maybe 1% of the total, this means that I was PLAIN wrong?


yes,it means you were plain wrong

its not a matter of how many

you said: no FUs are 3 haired. Gaz has a three haired FU. Therefore, the statement that no FUs are 3 haired is false. The proper statement would be: some FUs are not 3 haired... we can plainly see that some FUs are not three haired, and we can see that some are. This makes the "some FUs are not 3 haired" a true statement, where the "no FUs are 3 haired" statement "plain wrong".


so, now we have identified yet another shift in this, one of your many, arguments against gho. From "none exist" to "not many out of the total exist". Spanish dude and his ever shifting arguments.


first we had "no proof of regeneration". Then once we saw some sort of regeneration it shifted to the "follicle splitting" conspiracy theory... the one that two leading medical journals are involved in, along with the Docs who peer reviewed the articles, european medical boards, etc.





where oh where will spanishdude shift next? the answer: anywhere he can




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gc83uk

20.02.2012, 03:42

@ Spanish Dude

the correct photos are buried in a path of depth=7

» » » » Spanish Dude, why have I got a 3 hair follicle in in my recipient?
» » »
» » » Congratulations, you found one, very tight, 3 follicular unit, that
» » could
» » » fit into one graft.
» » » Is this significant? No.
» » » Maybe you can find some other. But how many in 700 grafts?
» »
» » The significance of this is you were wrong.
»
» OOOaahhhh... so strict with me, eh, Gaz? Because there are a few 3-hair
» grafts, maybe 1% of the total, this means that I was PLAIN wrong?
»
» But when it comes to Gho's blatant FALSE, FALSE, FALSE advertisement, you
» vote that it is "LEGIT, no PROBLEM".
» Even more sad, when you say that could be an "error", and the images are
» possibly switched, failing to acknowledge that in the correct order the
» advertisement would make no sense at all, because it would advertise a
» shaving service.
»
» »
» » And yes there is more, much easier to spot on the edges than in the
» middle
» » though.
»
» How many?

Look if you make a bold statement like you did and I correct you with evidence then I think you lose credibility if you don't know when to stop fighting it.

How many, I don't know. I could probably have a closer look at some of the pics I've taken, but what for? If I say 20, you say so what.

Re: Ghos advertising a shaving business. OK so what if I agree with you to make you happy? What if we all agree with you? What are you going to do with this? Have Gho executed on live tv? I don't know what your trying to achieve. Initially I thought its fine, on reflection it looks less than fine, but I don't really care about it. I can't vote twice, plus there isn't an option for: "I don't give a Fook". I guarantee you this would win hands down.




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Spanish Dude

20.02.2012, 03:19

@ gc83uk

the correct photos are buried in a path of depth=7

» » » Spanish Dude, why have I got a 3 hair follicle in in my recipient?
» »
» » Congratulations, you found one, very tight, 3 follicular unit, that
» could
» » fit into one graft.
» » Is this significant? No.
» » Maybe you can find some other. But how many in 700 grafts?
»
» The significance of this is you were wrong.

OOOaahhhh... so strict with me, eh, Gaz? Because there are a few 3-hair grafts, maybe 1% of the total, this means that I was PLAIN wrong?

But when it comes to Gho's blatant FALSE, FALSE, FALSE advertisement, you vote that it is "LEGIT, no PROBLEM".
Even more sad, when you say that could be an "error", and the images are possibly switched, failing to acknowledge that in the correct order the advertisement would make no sense at all, because it would advertise a shaving service.

»
» And yes there is more, much easier to spot on the edges than in the middle
» though.

How many?




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gc83uk

20.02.2012, 01:55

@ Spanish Dude

the correct photos are buried in a path of depth=7

» » Spanish Dude, why have I got a 3 hair follicle in in my recipient?
»
» Congratulations, you found one, very tight, 3 follicular unit, that could
» fit into one graft.
» Is this significant? No.
» Maybe you can find some other. But how many in 700 grafts?

The significance of this is you were wrong.

And yes there is more, much easier to spot on the edges than in the middle though.




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Spanish Dude

20.02.2012, 01:26

@ gc83uk

the correct photos are buried in a path of depth=7

» Spanish Dude, why have I got a 3 hair follicle in in my recipient?

Congratulations, you found one, very tight, 3 follicular unit, that could fit into one graft.
Is this significant? No.
Maybe you can find some other. But how many in 700 grafts?




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gc83uk

20.02.2012, 01:24

@ Iron_Man

the correct photos are buried in a path of depth=7

» » Ironman, will you ever go to Gho or something your considering in the
» » future maybe?
»
» Definitely. My 1st HST procedure should have been –according to my initial
» “plan”- some month ago, but unfortunately - NO WAY. It’s difficult in
» general for me to coordinate the “proper” time regards 1) my work in
» general and 2) living at least 1-2 month “anywhere in the underground” or
» an island with a COMPLETELY shaved head (I never ever had a shaved head
» since I was a baby) - at least as long as the shaved hairs are able to
» cover-up my strip scars on the back of my head again. And finally, nobody
» in my environment could ever see me with a cap or hat or something –
» whereby the latter would draw the attention of nasty and curious people
» even more -or in a similar problematic way. Therefore, the only way I see
» is simply to make a “longer break” sometime in general in my life. So the
» question is just – when will it happen? We will see …
»
» Oh, and sometimes I have completely other thoughts or “plans” – because I’m
» already in the early 40’s and therefore I sometimes think about the idea to
» simply cover-up my strip scars with HST grafts – and simply leave my head
» completely shaved after the procedure –for the rest of my life. We will see
» …

I totally understand your predicament. I specifically made sure that Gho only extracted from my donor in a way that meant it could be covered up with the existing hair, hence the reason it was shaved like it was on those pics.

My hair had to be at least 5cm though, otherwise the concealment would not work. I was back in work 1 week later and felt comfortable knowing that my donor extraction zones could not be seen. Anyway within the weeks, that stubble hair seemed to grow real fast.

I guess your worried about having to buzz the recipient area too so they have clear space to work and being bald for a couple of months. I reckon they could transplant hair into the recipient area without the need to buzz it all off especially if they chose the HSI method instead of the HST. I'm just guessing your situation here, but best of luck to you whatever you decide.




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Iron_Man

19.02.2012, 23:26

@ gc83uk

the correct photos are buried in a path of depth=7

» Ironman, will you ever go to Gho or something your considering in the
» future maybe?

Definitely. My 1st HST procedure should have been –according to my initial “plan”- some month ago, but unfortunately - NO WAY. It’s difficult in general for me to coordinate the “proper” time regards 1) my work in general and 2) living at least 1-2 month “anywhere in the underground” or an island with a COMPLETELY shaved head (I never ever had a shaved head since I was a baby) - at least as long as the shaved hairs are able to cover-up my strip scars on the back of my head again. And finally, nobody in my environment could ever see me with a cap or hat or something – whereby the latter would draw the attention of nasty and curious people even more -or in a similar problematic way. Therefore, the only way I see is simply to make a “longer break” sometime in general in my life. So the question is just – when will it happen? We will see …

Oh, and sometimes I have completely other thoughts or “plans” – because I’m already in the early 40’s and therefore I sometimes think about the idea to simply cover-up my strip scars with HST grafts – and simply leave my head completely shaved after the procedure –for the rest of my life. We will see …




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gc83uk

19.02.2012, 20:09

@ Iron_Man

the correct photos are buried in a path of depth=7

» » » And the 3 hair thing, how come I have some 3 hairs
» » sprouting on the pics

» » » i've shown over the weeks? Unlucky for me
» I
» » don't have many 3 hair
» » » follicles anyway, so lucky on the other hand how that wouldn't affect
» me
» » if
» » » it were true.
» »
» » You talk about your recipient pics - I have seen them. Seems
» » everything works pretty cool for you, considering you're an scarring
» » alopecia patient.
»
» Yup, there ARE a few 3-hair FU's in your recipient site - not so many so
» far, but there ARE definitely some!
»
» You wrote yesterday:
» -------------
» 5.5 month update of the 700 grafts I had with Gho
»
» http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/28/3202143/aaaa.jpg
» -------------
» I zoomed a small part of your test area as shown below ...
» [image]
» And here you see this small area enlarged ...
» [image]
»
» Anyway, pretty cool your result so far - and THANKS for sharing!

Thanks for your analysis ironman, all really interesting. I will keep you all updated including Spanish Dude :-P

Spanish Dude, why have I got a 3 hair follicle in in my recipient?

Ironman, will you ever go to Gho or something your considering in the future maybe?




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Iron_Man

19.02.2012, 17:02

@ Iron_Man

the correct photos are buried in a path of depth=7

» » And the 3 hair thing, how come I have some 3 hairs
» sprouting on the pics

» » i've shown over the weeks? Unlucky for me I
» don't have many 3 hair
» » follicles anyway, so lucky on the other hand how that wouldn't affect me
» if
» » it were true.
»
» You talk about your recipient pics - I have seen them. Seems
» everything works pretty cool for you, considering you're an scarring
» alopecia patient.

Yup, there ARE a few 3-hair FU's in your recipient site - not so many so far, but there ARE definitely some!

You wrote yesterday:
-------------
5.5 month update of the 700 grafts I had with Gho

http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/28/3202143/aaaa.jpg
-------------
I zoomed a small part of your test area as shown below ...
[image]
And here you see this small area enlarged ...
[image]

Anyway, pretty cool your result so far - and THANKS for sharing!




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Iron_Man

19.02.2012, 12:48

@ gc83uk

the correct photos are buried in a path of depth=7

» And the 3 hair thing, how come I have some 3 hairs sprouting on the pics
» i've shown over the weeks? Unlucky for me I don't have many 3 hair
» follicles anyway, so lucky on the other hand how that wouldn't affect me if
» it were true.

You talk about your recipient pics - I have seen them. Seems everything works pretty cool for you, considering you're an scarring alopecia patient.

Anyway, back to your donor pics ...
This is the full-size photo YOU provided here (link below) a few month ago - donor area ~1 week after HST procedure – right?

http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/20/3198745//week1donor%20010.jpg

I zoomed the following small part of the whole area (area with the best resolution/not dazzled or light reflected) …
[image]
… and here is this zoomed area enlarged:
[image]

Everything I can see is that this area has already started to REGENERATE completely – including small/thin hair shafts -in comparison with the surrounding long and thick hair shafts.

After a traditional “FUE” procedure, with punch sizes anywhere between 0.85 and 1.1 mm (or sometimes even bigger), you would still see just lots of hard scabs. Every normal FUE patient will confirm this.

But in your case, there I can clearly see the TYPICAL (cell/tissue)regeneration process, as you can see such a process when ECM’s, like ACell etc, is applied to wounds. The reason WHY your wound regenerates pretty cool without the usage of any “third-party” ExtraCellular Matrix (ECM) is, that Dr. Gho leaves a part of your natural hair follicles ECM, including hair stem cells within this remaining, natural ECM, in the site/hole AFTER EXTRACTION of the implantation hair follicle parts. Every real tissue regeneration expert out there will confirm this/my explanation. Here’re a few of them I’m aware of … http://youtu.be/3njZkP_3N48

[image]
Full Video: http://youtu.be/g6RqD9qdIgo

The pic above just shows the REMAINING hair follicle parts in the donor area AFTER extraction.

The scientific explanation for all this, and HOW exactly it works, is more than 34 years old ...
[image]
[image]




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Iron_Man

19.02.2012, 10:21

@ Spanish Dude

the correct photos are buried in a path of depth=7

» Okay,
» lets supposse the opposite order: the hairy pic is shown before, and the
» shaved pic is shown after. What this sequence would depict? A good shaving
» machine? "Gho made this possible for GJ"? Does it make sense?

Sure. Makes absolutely sense - because that's THE REASON for the photos on the "front page" at all.
Can't you read my post right after your poll above?
[image]
Why do you completely ignore this issue - eh?? Let me guess ...
[image]
Photo Source (scoll down a bit):
http://www.gerardjoling.nl/content.php?name=nieuws&post=Gelukkig-nieuw-haar!&start_at=15

Anyway, the point is - WHO did it for Joling?
Dr. Gho did it! - and nobody else.

And it seems Mr. Joling ENJOYS the result ...
[image]

Hey Spanish Dud,
why don't you put such a nice photo of yourself on your website??

http://spanishdude.webs.com/JB_Attacks_index.htm




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